Review the weird Despicable Me tie-in game for the Wii and PlayStation 2.

Thank you minimme, very cool

So if my understanding is correct.. the head engine guy or a lot of the people really are just really big Carmack fans and a lot of the building that they did to their engine was not based specifically off of the Doom 3 idtechengine cuz it wasn't you know out at the time but a lot of it was just trying to fanboy like best practices etc.. at least that's what I've been able to find out so far.. which makes sense cuz they now worked under zenimax or I guess Microsoft alongside id on the Wolfenstein games under the label machine games.. which is the ultimate endgame modern day evolution of what these games were technologically anyways..

How many KZfaqrs can say they have a vin diesal related content playlist?

Guys I'm doing a live, I'm doing a live right now

You did exactly the same as me mate!

Bruh I saw Riddick at a game store, but they said it wouldn’t run on a 360. Wish I hadn’t listened..

@@Minnevan damn just imagine how different your life would’ve been if you’d gotten to play it 🤔😲 you could’ve been a life saving doctor or enjoyed it so much you had to fulfill your new founded dream of becoming a game developer and made your own award-winning gem of a game but those GameStop wage slaves ruined that

@@revalution1965 ikr, I could’ve even NOT been getting replies to my comment from you. In a perfect world…

@@revalution1965 duuuuuude…mind BLOWN

you can even collect enough money throughout the level to buy a guard armor, which comes in handy when you fight Abbott

you can or you have to because of the story. it's been so long, I can't even remember. all I know that my poor pc barely ran this thing

@@michaelwesten4624 you don't have to, you can wipe out the entire section. Or at least the showers, because stealing the uniform stealthily is stupid hard

@@pitbul2877 I wouldn't say it's too difficult, personally. If you turn out the lights from the restrooms and move on to dispatch of everyone in the locker room, there will be a set of clothing in the right-hand lockers. Most guards from that point on until Abbot won't initiate combat with you as long as you don't have a gun out or... jump... -but someplace along the way, you can actually collect some alcohol from one of the guards and resell it for 50 UD. If you collect the vent tool from the room directly to the right out of the locker room, you'll find that there's a space behind the retinal scanner room where you can use it to enter the armory. There, you'll find a free set of armour and assault rifles. Just remember that after the retinal scan, you'll have to kill the guards looking for you, but you can still; afterwards, put away your weapon and fool the guards in the following rooms.

Doable, but hard af ​@@pitbul2877

​@@stevebean1234pandora tomorrow is a full-on stealth not a hybrid

@@stevebean1234 Only in stealth. But as shooter/stealth, Escape from butcher bay is lot better.

Starbreeze*

This and The darkness are certainly two of the most unique, powerful FPS games to ever be released

The Darkness is still the best "vengeance simulator" around even a decade+ later

Wolfenstein The New Order and The Old Blood were great too. Many devs from Starbreeze went on to MachineGames and made them. Unfortunately, New Colossus and especially Youngblood were not good...

@@urk5204 It suffers from a bad PS3 port though. I finally played it a few years ago and the framerate was absolutely horrible. Still a pretty cool and unique game

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@@BodywiseMustard good lookin out! 👍🏻

I took a chance on this back in the day cos it was £10 in a bargin bin AND I loved the Riddick movies. Turned out to be one of the biggest surprises. Even stopped my obsession with Quake III OSP for a few days, I didn't stop playing Riddick till it was done! Played great on my Athlon 64 and Geforce 6800XT, but I did have to knock the resolution down from the native 1440x900 to 1280x720, if I remember, it was quite demanding and the graphics were so good in max settings, I'd rather sacrifice the resolution than the details.

@@BodywiseMustard nerd

Conker: Live & Reloaded had this for the original Xbox, with Conker's bad fur day. Both are gems with pretty good graphics for the time.

Yet the remastered version sucked, in comparison to the original. Garish graphics, even clunkier engine, stupidly overuse of bloom and terrible performance. At least on PC. The original, while clunky, was far more crisp and responsive.

@@TheVanillatech As someone with who has only played a pirated copy of Dark Athena and never the original I always thought the game looked amazing and held up really well.

@@Trickafi Well the code is precisely the same on the pirated copy as the original! XD I bought the Dark Athena in a rush as soon as I saw it because I'd played the shit out of Butcher Bay and loved it. VERY dissapointed when I installed it. It was basically a quick remaster to look impressive on the new consoles, but performance was terrible. Sure it was targetting 30fps on the consoles, but they didn't bother to tidy things up on the PC version. Everything had a horrible "glow" to it, the gunplay hadn't improved a bit (my one gripe of the original). If it was your first experience of the game, Im sure you had a good time. But the original was far more crisp, far more snappy. I'd pick that over the remaster every day and twice on sunday.

If I'm not mistaken, they actually kind of drop that in the version included with Dark Athena. Originally, Butcher Bay ends with Riddick and Johns taking the ship into the beginning of Pitch Black. For Dark Athena, the sequel picks up immediately where Butcher Bay ended, so it shifts the timeline a bit. It's not like this is really all that important, but I think there were some edits done to the story in the "remake."

But he literally is the "chosen one" in the Chronicles of Riddick movie though

@@jarg8 yeah there's that prophecy of a Furian taking down the Necros, sure. But in the game and the director's cut of Chronicles he has superpowers and has visions of this chick that tells him how important he is.

@@pixlman he has the Eyeshine superpower in all the films and yes that is in the directors cut. He's literally the chosen one in the movies, too

@@jarg8 The eyeshine isn't a 'chosen one' thing. I haven't played the game, but according to the movie Pitch Black, Riddick paid to get eye enhancement while in prison, in order to survive in the darkness.

I liked a sequel less The original is a much more solid and varied experience imo

I didn't like dark athena at all. Where butcher bay was stealth and steep difficulty, athena was a run and gun shooter that was super duper easy.

"finaly"? It's far from the first review or analyse of this game on KZfaq. I suggest you this one : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7yKa8Kk3dTMmIE.html

You're the first person I've ever come across who prefers Dark Athena to the original

@@destructyo I don't prefer dark Athena to the original. Dark Athena simply includes the original, so I think it's redundant to play the first game as it was originally released because you can play a slightly improved version that's a bit more recent instead, along with the dark Athena release. As far as quality I think butcher bay is better, but dark Athena is also a compelling, albeit vastly different experience.

Considering the power differences, you kind of were. Or at least, kind of a 1.5 gen leap. One of the biggest issues were that most multiplat games were made with the PS2 first and then gussied up for the Xbox. But take a look at Splinter Cell for Xbox vs. PS2, especially pandora tomorrow. Heck, they got HL2 and Doom 3 running on Xbox. Heck, there were some OG Xbox games that looked better than some Xbox 360 games for a while. Check out video of Panzer Dragoon: Orta, it looks so amazing still.

@@caodesignworks2407 The 1st Ninja Gaiden to Xbox looked absolutely great too.

@@KimStennabbCaesar The fur on Conker's Live and Reloaded had me shook back in the day man. And the PGR's car models, as well as Forza, although GT4 on the PS2 was wizardry tbh. Some games on that system look amazing too. I dont think we will ever have a console generation as sublime as the 6th gen.

@@bagelbytes69420 golden era, absolutely.

I remember at the time butcher bay was considered to be the best looking game on the xbox. The game had the same fidelity that many early 360 games had.

what's hell? -without a little fire

RIP. I played it when I was 16 maybe? Would have loved running through it with a friend - very memorable

God rest his soul

Rip Ruben! You had an awesome friend. How did his life end? Cancer?

​@@stevebean1234 Same, I was about to turn 17 when this came out.

DUDE, FEAR is/was so damn good too. It still holds up today, and I played through it last year finally

That leaked Doom 3 Alpha really screwed iD Software over. No wonder they dropped ATI like a rock and focussed on Nvidia hardware support for the final release. But that leaked alpha allowed so many companies (like Starbreeze) to get to grips with specular, diffuse and normal maps, and hence the plethora of games that had that Doom 3 look, in and around the same time. Butcher Bay was a very well designed game though. Sick graphics or not, I think they did an excellent job on it. No wonder they went on to become MachineGames and made the superb Wolfentein : New Order.

What did you think of Dark Athena?

only real ones remember the great Second Sight v Psi Ops debate of 2004

@@minimme dude I was just so happy to get two whole games with fine-control telekinesis at the same time

@@minimme second sight wins out in the end, imo

@@minimme Second Sight all the way!

@@minimme real ones unite, as far as I’m concerned both psi ops and second sight are top tier games. With there own respective positives and negatives (admittedly at the time I was a MAJOR fan of timesplitters art direction so I always had a soft spot for second sight)

This is gonna be a kinda long comment so I apologize ahead of time, but I have a funny story about The Darkness. So my friend was playing it, and he was slithering around as the tentacle/snake thing. And when you hit RT you could make the "snake" do like a biting type motion, and you could keep pressing RT to get it to bite over and over. So I got the idea to play that "Nom Nom Nom" song by Parry Gripp while my friend kept doing the repeated biting, and it looked like the "snake" was biting along to the song lol. But that's not even the best part. He was slithering towards an enemy while "nom nom-ing" and as soon as he was able to actually bite the enemy in the face, the song skipped because it had to buffer. So the song skips right as he eats this dudes face, and then as soon as the enemy dropped the song started playing again. So basically it was all like: *happy nom nom music as the snake slithers forward* *Music stops, VIOLENT FACE EATING* *Happy nom nom music starts back up again*

Shit, I was watching this and The Darkness came to mind. I guess now I know why!

Shit, now I have to try The Darkness since I liked this one so much

@@bagelbytes69420 it's dated in a lot of ways, with the sequel improving on the actual gameplay brilliantly but the first Darkness still holds up in the atmosphere department. Well worth a look 👌

@@bagelbytes69420 I would recommend watching a recap of the first game and then playing the sequel. The second game play much better than the first IMO

Dude, that leaked Doom 3 Alpha that ATI put out is the very reason for games like Prey and EFBB to have those sick models, graphics, lighting, specular and normal maps! XD

i wanna buy a physical copy for my pc but many people say the game won't install for some reason. some error. how did you get it to work?

The PS3 port was dogshit. The 360 is the best version. Too bad no PC though

@@euj0 the PS3 port is perfectly emulated nowadays on RPCS3 at least

@@euj0 You're right. I played it on PS3 a while ago for the first time and the framerate was so bad. Still finished it because of its unique and edgy style. I'd love a PC port. I also really like the 2nd game, even though it's way different

@@euj0 I think there is a way to download it or play it on PC. I have been meaning to get it, but I am going to wait till I get the Steam Deck. Then back to Butcher Bay and Dark Athena

@@SeriousSamson like Butcher Bay, a really immersive FPS adventure w/ lots of generous environmental detail. Darkness 2 was good, too, tho felt a little more on-rails, more action focused.

one of my biggest frustrations was actually with the counter move lmao. i learned after a few hours of experimentation that you can't counter a weapon of the same type as your holding (knife cant counter knife, baton cant counter baton, etc) and i died a lot to the fight with Rust because i was fighting him with same weapon he was using.

Dark Athena didn't "invent" asymetrical multiplayer!

@@Ki115witch Elaborate.

@@Larry Really? Ok how about Counter-Strike or Aliens vs Predator, just to name a couple of the top of my head. Both came out waaaaayyyy before Dark Athena.

@@Ki115witch Counter-Strike is barely asymeterical. I'm talking about a single person vs. a team.

​@@Larry Alien vs Predator works, just like Natural Selection and others - The Hidden is another Half-Life mod that did it quite well a few years before. Nobody's saying that Dark Athena isn't a good take on asymmetrical versus, but it's absolutely not the first!

Goldeneye

​@@SWOTHDRAunfortunately it was N64 exclusive so just because of that I can't say that it was better than this game.

Dude right, I think I beat the game missing only a couple cigarettes, it bothered me so much that I couldn't find the rest even though I spent several hours on each level. This game is too beautiful to be rushing haha

He rushed through the game without using stealth....

That's the one! I got both of these games around the same time and they were both so damn good. Breakdown was such a sleeper.

Nothing mediocre about the Riddick franchise. Flawed maybe, but very ambitious, very bad ass and with complex characters.

Obscure and Mediocre? Did you only play Nintendo and watch the Disney channel? wtf…

Pitch Black was a good B-movie, which by default meant quite a limited audience. The game though is a companion piece to its sequel, Chronicles Of Riddick, and that movie was shit. No judgement if you consider that anything else but mediocre, but your tastes probably aren't very common, and people have been judging the game by that shit movie's reputation. It's a pity

Man that sucks because I still have the PC version laying around here but never actually played it. The video made me wanting to play it. I'll still give it a try :D

@@SeriousSamson it has drm on the disc that used to cause problems with older versions of Windows. I don't know what would happen if you install it on Windows 10 or 11.

Lmao nvm Minimme mentioned it shortly after posting this comment, at the 7:38 mark... Guess I have to play this now

They are but not quite on the scale of a typical game you'd think of when you hear immersive sim - they borrow the basic principles to great effect