I'm kinda clumsy with playing instruments but all this stuff is absolute gold to program music on MIDI too

I'm a keyboard player in a church, This gentleman explains theory so simple and good that it doesn't matter what instrument you play, one will understand. Thanks for this video.

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The negative harmony of neapolitan major which you showed, is also called "lydian minor". I didn't know this before, so interesting!

I've heard C Db E F G Ab B referred to as double harmonic major. So the negative equivalent of Hungarian minor still relates to a known major scale. Pretty cool!

I can't wait for the next video about negative harmony in modes. I've noticed some really interesting patterns: I'm sure you're going to cover the fact that Dorian is the negative of Mixolydian, and Phrygian is the negative of Lydian. But the pattern you mentioned here, that Harmonic Minor is the negative of Harmonic Major, carries over between the modes of those two scales! In the same way Harmonic Major (Ionian b6) maps to Harmonic Minor (Aeolian #7), Dorian #4 (which is the 4th mode of Harmonic Minor) maps onto Mixolydian b2 (the 5th mode of Harmonic Major); Phrygian Dominant or Phrygian #3 maps onto Lydian b3 (the "Lydian" mode of Harmonic Major). That sounds a bit nuts if you don't see it on paper, but it basically means that the negative harmony relationships that hold between the modes of the major scale also hold between the modes of Harmonic Minor and Harmonic Major. Furthermore, the negative harmony of the Locrian mode is the major scale one whole step higher. So the negative harmony of C Locrian is D Major. This also happens between the Harmonic Minor and Major mode groups: The negative harmony of Locrian #6 (mode two of the Harmonic Minor) is... drum roll... Harmonic Major up a whole step! And the negative harmony of Locrian b7 is Ionian #5 (mode 3 of Harmonic Minor). Again, it makes more sense if it's all charted out, and I'm sure I'm not using the standard names for these scales. There modes of Melodic Minor interact in fascinating ways as well; there's so much to explore here and I've never seen anyone online talk about these patterns. I think these symmetries point to harmonic principles that we're only starting to discover! Awesome content.

Fantastic video. You are right, the exotic scales have been misnamed. Your assumption is correct - one is major and the other is minor. I'm trying to work out the relationship between scale inversions and negative harmony (ie intervals of Major is Phrygian backwards, Dorian is itself etc.) Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks for another awesome video on negative harmony! You're really developing the subject. I especially enjoyed the 'no change' octatonic (dim) and the flipping of the whole-tone scale. Intriguing. Keep up the good work! I'd very much like to share with you the ideas and implications on harmonics in general sparked off by your videos, but I guess this is hardly the place.

I've always watched your negative harmony videos. Very informative and helpful!

I was also taught that the melodic major scale is called that way, because it follows the logic of the melodic minor one, just flipped around - in the melodic minor you take the first tetrachord of the minor and complete it with the second tetrachord of the major scale, so by using the same pattern, you get the melodic major scale - you take the first tetrachord of the major scale and complete it with the second tetrachord of the minor scale. I was pretty fucking mindblown to find out that you get it by using negative harmony too. I feel like a Tool album cover right now. Also what you call "Hungarian minor" I know as being called "double harmonic minor" or minor bi-harmonic scale. And what it gets inverted into I know as "double harmonic major" or major bi-harmonic scale. I was taught that "harmonic" scales get their name from the augmented second interval, or the so called "hiatus", and hence the name "bi-harmonic", whereas major and minor scales get their names from the major and minor thirds they include. So this is another win for negative harmony. "Hungarian" scales must be something of a nickname to these ones.

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Thank you very much for clearing up all the questions I had, great information and videos as always 👍

Very interesting, thank you! Looking at the "negative harmony complement" of Neapolitan major, as you call "mixolydian b6/#4": with the flat 6 and sharp 4, maybe this is scale from which we borrow to form augmented 6th chords (+6 Italian and +6 French). Food for thought.

This is very interesting exercise. I used to think of scales as a combination of two tetrachords (4 notes), plated together. There are 6 possible tetrachords. I use 4 of them. Major: tone tone semitone. Minor: tone semitone tone. Phrygian: semitone tone tone. "Harmonic": semitone tone and a half semitone. With these 4 tetrachords we can generate 16 (4X4) scales! Ex: Major + Major = Minor, Major + Minor= Mixolydian, Minor + Minor = Dorian. Etc... Thank you 😊

I tried with the enigmatic scale and got a subset of the "eight tone Spanish scale" (I am unfamiliar with this scale) which is quite interesting, but I am unsure of the meaning of this.

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Im gonna have to watch that a couple times

Hungarian minor with a major 3rd is Lydian b6 aka Harmonic Lydian. Can be found in the Ionian b2 scale mode 4. Mixolydian b6/#4 is Lydian minor Neapolitan Major mode 4 Maybe it should be called Melodic Lydian because just like harmonic major and mixolydian b6, Lydian b6 is harmonic lydian. If you lower the 7 to b7 to smooth out the harmony you have melodic lydian. 1 2 3 #4 5 b6 b7 It can also be called Lydian dominant b6. Its called lydian minor because the lower half of the scale is lydian and the upper half is like the minor scale. 1 2 3 #4 5 b6 b7. Personally i think lydian b3 (lydian diminished) should be called lydian minor. 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 7. Or maybe aeolian #4 aka gypsy minor. 1 2 b3 #4 5 b6 b7 I mean mixolydian b3 is dorian Ionian b3 is melodic minor Lydian b3 should be some kind of minor scale. Lydian diminished is the most common name acording to Holdsworth and others.

Incredibly interesting and helpful ! Thanks.

Really great series of videos!

When I watched these vids the first thing I did was apply it to some of the weirdest scales I know. Other than the ones you pointed out I just wanted to point out the interesting voice movement between the double harmonic minor/2x harmonic major/phrygian major (M7) b6. i.e. C Db E F G Ab B C this translates perfectly to G Ab B C D Eb f# G which is the same scale a fifth apart. Both would work over a C or G drone. I know this isnt anything groundbreaking but I just found it interesting in application, as this generally how you hear this scale used in application.

Hi Tommaso! The negative harmony version of Hungarian Minor is called Double Harmonic Major (at least how I learned it). Makes sense to me because also because I learned Hungarian Minor as the 4th mode of Double Harmonic Major (another 5th relationship).

Great topic, from what ive read and seen on nh , you are the most complete with rick beato. I wait next video about nh on modes,

@4:47 small error without consequence, but Ab => B an Bb=> A

Very nice stuff... As usual. I wonder what happens applying negative harmony to pentatonic and blues scales.

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Well explain thank you !

nice lesson on negative harmony and how it relates to scales:)

You have great videos, I really learn a lot! 😁👍

Love it. Thanks T

Fantastic class, its over my head but I am catching glimpse :-P

Can we apply negative harmony to the chromatic scale? lols. Thanks for another wonderful lesson. ^-^ Edit: I like that you answered my immediate thoughts/questions about the diminished and whole tone scales too. That is really interesting that it shows up as the other whole tone scale as well.

Check the scale that uses whole steps. It is exactly the circle of fifths when you take every second chord as a note. And to no surprise every note in between is the negative harmony.

Mixolydian b6 should be called melodic major for the same reason for naming and creating melodic minor. Raised the b7 to 7 from the minor scale to harmonic minor. Harmonic minor had the b6-7 interval gap so they raised the b6 to 6 and created melodic minor. Harmonic major was created by lowering 6 to b6 from the major scale (Ionian - ionian b6) leaving the b6-7 interval gap again. By lowering the 7 to b7 to smooth out the melodic flow you get Mixolydian b6. Melodic Major is a good name. Aeolin dominant is another good name. Phrygian dominant is phrygian raise the b3-3. 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7 Aeolian raise the b3-3 is mixolidian b6. If you raise dorians b3 you have mixolydian. Locrian dominant is 1 b2 3 4 b5 b6 b7 You cant raise the altered scale b3 Aeolian Dominant (mix b6) Phrygian Dominant Locrian Dominant

One Music Theory nitpick: The scale that is produced at 7:46 is more properly notated as C-D♭-E♭-F♭-G-A-B♭, since a 7-note scale should have exactly one modified A, exactly one modified B, etc. (which means you might get horrible accidentals, such as in the Enigmatic scale).

Hello! Thanks for the vid. @Musictheoryforguitar why in the melodic minor you "flip" A with Ab and B with Bb? In the circle on the left, you flip Ab with B and Bb with A... i don't understand this. Can you please explain and make this clear? Thanks for your work

Thanks for the video - really mind opening. But one question: I think the augmented scale is the other 6-tone scale with 3/2-1/2-3/2-1/2-3/2-1/2 steps, isn't it? I tried to find the negative harmonies of this and got in a case the same scale with axis between c-g and db-f# but going another scale when turning the axis between f-c and f#-b. I didn't try all cases.

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The interval sequence of the Harmonic minor modes are the mirror image of the Harmonic major modes interval sequences. So the negative harmony applied is not surprising.

Hello! I've really been enjoying these videos you made on negative harmony/melody. I actually enjoy most of the videos you make, but this is something I've had interest in recently, so thank you for that. I'm curious, though. When using a negative melodic line that has notes that are technically "out of key," does it still end up working well over diatonic chords? Also, I tried harmonizing a melodic line with it's negative harmony yesterday and they sounded pretty neat together, except for one b9 interval causing some jarring, unresolved tension. Any thoughts on harmonizing a melodic line with it's negative harmony you'd like to share?

In the sense that “G phrygian is same as C minor” we may assume that C major, B locrian, F lydian (etc) are same :D

Pause at 5:17 - according to your circle of 5ths on the left, A becomes Bb & Bb becomes A. On the right, A becomes Ab & B becomes Bb? Did I miss something?

Question to Tommasso: I have extensive music theory understanding.. all modes all scale (schemas) all diatonic, substitutions, chromatic 3rds, negative harmony etc.. I can spell any scale by its name, and spell any chord (to the 13th of any mode/scale... My question, where would I start in your course? I need to apply all I already know about theory to the guitar fret board.. I also know where every note on the fretboard is, that is almost unconscious. I play by the feel and the sound when I improvise.. but if you have a 'methodology' for applying ALL this theory to the guitar, I would be interested in your course.. I have taken courses from Luca T and Tom H. but I don't want to spend that monthly fee on things I already know.. Can you help with that? Byl S. Oregon

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What about scales other than that? Ex scale dorian,pryhgian,aeolian??

Hello, at 7:11 of the vidéo you apply negativ Harmony to the hungarian minor. But , you don't apply the same flip as before. C became C, D became Db etc..and not C to G and D to F etc.. Did i miss something ?

Question: I understand how G phyrgian would come up regarding the Cm scale. Just curious how come you don't mention the Cm scale is from the key of Eb? So a song in the key of C when transposed would end up in the key of Eb with Cm being its relative minor. To me, that bit of information broadens my view of harmonic possibilities.

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At 4.48 isn´t there a mistake? A becomes Bb not Ab and Bb becomes Ab not Bb... the result is the same but just check...too much information to process...

At 4:44 doesn’t the A >Bb B>Ab ? Not A>Ab B> Bb

Someone can explain to me what does "5th mode of the hungarian minor" mean? Thanks!

Is the problem with flipping certain scales where they don't work with negative harmony that they have intervals of more than 2 half steps?

I think you actually can invert Gypsy Minor: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fsB7q9Rn3dfFpYU.html. If my method is correct, it works for the bebop scale too. (C Bebop inverts to C Dorian Aeolian). Neapolitan Minor does invert, just not to Neapolitan Major. (one reason being that they're both minor scales). It does, however invert to the Latangi Scale (a Lydian scale with a b6), which is a classical Indian scale. The Hirajoshi scale also doesn't invert to anything Japanese, but it does invert to an Indonesian scale called the Pelog Scale. It's fascinating to me how inversion connects seemingly separate musical traditions!

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am i tripping or am i stupid.. theres been a few times ive seen this guy write out scales and they dont match his diagram. like for example at 4:56. when he writes the C melodic minor scale C-D-Eb-F-G-A-B he writes G-F-E-D-C-Ab-Bb shouldnt it be... G-F-E-D-C-Bb-Ab.. same thing with the Gmajor change... why a Fminor? wouldnt it also be Gminor or does Gminor scale not exist, why a F minor? I understand a B goes to C with no flats/sharps between as well as E to F. im so bothered and dont understand, i understoood everything till these two issues above ^. wouldnt a Gmajor go to a Cminor anyways?

Why isn't there a circle of fifths for harmonic minor, melodic minor, or exotic 7 note scales? Great video though!

I wonder how this would sound with non Octatonic scales

Where's the modes and negative harmony video

are scales invented or discovered?

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