The Swiss Cheap Out: SIG 310, aka MP48

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The SIG 310, aka MP48, is the final evolution of SIG's submachine gun design from the 1920s. It began as the MKM/P/S/O with a folding magazine well, wooden stock, and fancy lever-delayed operating system. Over almost 30 years of development, the wood stock and the lever-delayed system fell away, as did the really high quality finishing work. The folding magazine well and the magazine itself remained intact, however.
This final version is a very simple blowback mechanism with a similarly simple collapsing wire stock. It uses a 40-round double-feed magazine of 9x19mm ammunition, and fires at a zippy 1000 rpm. I was surprised by just how easily controllable it was despite the high rate of fire and short receiver - and also by the harmonic ringing of the wire stock when firing. While this may be an embarrassingly crude gun for the Swiss, it is a gun that most other countries would be quite proud of.
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@theofficialsikris 3 жыл бұрын

Ian: "It was cheaply made." Me: "oh no." Ian: "It has a very short bolt travel." Me: "Oh no." Ian: "It has a very high fire rate." Me: " *OH NO* ." Ian: fires gun "That's actually really nice." Me: "How can all of those things combined possibly function so well?" ????: "It's Swiss."

@caturix4541 3 жыл бұрын

🇨🇭😘

@MAD_ru_GADA 3 жыл бұрын

(...) Ian: "It was cheaply made." (...) ???: "It's made in Switzerland." (...) Me: "Switzerland? Cheap???"... Greez from Zurich, Switzerland

@wrathmachine7609 2 жыл бұрын

I cant believe that a pivoting mag well is considered a cheap design lol.

@krebgurfson5732 2 жыл бұрын

answer: it's really expensive to make

@kjeaskop4056 2 жыл бұрын

@@MAD_ru_GADA It was compensated with profits from chocolate and watches...

@resident429 6 жыл бұрын

The Swiss "cheap out", build a 1000 rpm, select fire SMG with a 40 round magazine that can fold for transport.

@MPdude237 3 жыл бұрын

With good adjustable sights no less. These ones that can range from 50-100-200-300m and the front sight appears to be adjustable for windage, as opposed to the standard 100-200m flip sight.

@gcart7675 3 жыл бұрын

@anOKlamp youve never seen the grease gun then heh

@gcart7675 3 жыл бұрын

@anOKlamp actually it is and its cause of the super slow rate of fire

@vega1287 3 жыл бұрын

you can tell it's a "cheap out", ian had a malfunction

@gcart7675 3 жыл бұрын

@anOKlamp wow

@meanmanturbo 6 жыл бұрын

cheap-out smg - has semi auto mode damn Swiss

@Zack_Wester 6 жыл бұрын

swish cheap-out still the most expensive thing on the block.

@dentistguba 6 жыл бұрын

Otherwise known as the "don't run out of ammo 5 minutes into the battle"' mode lol.

@meanmanturbo 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I guess, thinking about it it makes sense because the bolt throw is so short. With a bolt throw so short having a resonable rate of fire becomes a real problem, same reason full auto pistols like Glock 18 have a ridiculous rpm, since the bolt has such a short travel the rpm will be high. Making it a full auto only SMG with a 500:ish rpm would require serious redesign instead of just cutting away luxuries.

@rcbif101 6 жыл бұрын

meanmanturbo - even the Sten has semi auto.

@garrettholland664 6 жыл бұрын

Dentistguba The point of a submachine gun on full auto is to make 1 or 2 people very dead, very quickly. This is especially the case with ones with higher fire rates. For everything else, you use semi auto or really short bursts

@RockSolitude 4 жыл бұрын

Even the cheapest, most barebones swiss gun (a simple blowback tube smg at that) has more features, is better constructed, is smoother and more manageable to shoot than most smgs out there.

@IRMentat 6 жыл бұрын

Cheap Swiss guns still have more features than many other "fully featured" products.

@IRMentat 6 жыл бұрын

That said there is something to be said about the elegance of well designed simplicity.

@jubuttib 2 жыл бұрын

While a "cheap Swiss gun", it was probably still more expensive than the other fully featured ones. =)

@VertietRyper 2 жыл бұрын

Sten moment

@smartcasual2973 6 жыл бұрын

"Ziss Is ze ghetooo BLASTAR" - Giant Swiss dude

@zachs652 6 жыл бұрын

Thomas Phillips-bolton lol

@ralph40 5 жыл бұрын

Verily tell yee, a blaster from those of lower Cost housing Blessed are those of weaker bank accts , for yee shall be not be lifted up by recoik

@nobodxy 3 жыл бұрын

@Niilonius true but to be honest swiss English is still heavily accented (source: Austrian with swiss relatives)

@CyborgPilord 2 жыл бұрын

Let's try not to think too hard about which ghettos these were blasting :(

@imk2007 Жыл бұрын

@@CyborgPilord this is a post war submachine gun

@Qsaws_ 6 жыл бұрын

That swinging mag is pretty sweet

@StrongholdArmory 6 жыл бұрын

Qsaws You should check out his video on the Hotchkiss Universal SMG if you think that's a cool feature.

@cptreech 6 жыл бұрын

Or the MAT-49. Be interesting to see a direct comparison between this and the MAT, similar guns designed for a similar period. The French gun got to see 30 plus years of hard combat whereas the Swiss weapon thankfully never had to prove itself but I wonder if it would not have gained a similar reputation as a gun to bet your life on.

@wowomatic 6 жыл бұрын

This definitely looks more practical than the Rube Goldberg nightmare that is unfolding a Hotchkiss Universal.

@Qsaws_ 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip Stronghold Armory, it was nice to watch.

@hoppinggnomethe4154 2 жыл бұрын

Nice Beksinski profile pic you got there

@Max_Flashheart 6 жыл бұрын

That is how they make the holes in Swiss Cheese confirmed.

@mr.winters1733 6 жыл бұрын

Cmdr Benkai 😂😂😂😂

@jessesands4099 4 жыл бұрын

Cmdr Benkai 😆🔫🧀🇨🇭

@SolidTaylor 6 жыл бұрын

Deamn, Switzerland is like some fairyland from far far away, where little magical gun-fairies crafts this cool bizarre guns.

@junichiroyamashita 6 жыл бұрын

And very good paychecks

@AGS363 6 жыл бұрын

But you really need those when you are living there.

@junichiroyamashita 6 жыл бұрын

AGS363 yeah but not if you are an italian living near the border

@michaelfoye1135 6 жыл бұрын

Solid T Shh, ze gun control nazis will learn of the true location of Santa's Werkshoppe if you keep saying that.

@Weaponsandstuff93 6 жыл бұрын

That looks like a really nice SMG.

@fokinsnipahs9823 6 жыл бұрын

Weaponsandstuff93 hey dude!

@mnk9073 6 жыл бұрын

It does, sadly there was a shitload of accidents with those things as they had the habit of blasting off on full auto when dropped or banged on something which led to the army abandoning them. (And before you say: "What kind of soldier drops his loaded gun or bangs it onto something?" Drafted 4-weeks a year soldiering reservists do.)

@garrettholland664 6 жыл бұрын

"Hmm, do I want to carry this heavy large thing down off of the side of a tank? not really" *throws gun off of tank* Military weapons have to be idiot proofed to an extent. That is why they all have shitty triggers

@shurikengaming1191 5 жыл бұрын

@@mnk9073 but the mag folds out of the way to prevent that? I guess if you dont use that feature

@FedericoStivan 6 жыл бұрын

That 553 chilling on the side with the safety on full auto was distracting, in the army they would get mad XD

@pipss2669 6 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too !! "Note 1 Ungenügend, nacharbeit am Wochenende !"

@FedericoStivan 6 жыл бұрын

NOOOOO everything but the nacharbeit am Wochenende HAHAHA XD

@pipss2669 6 жыл бұрын

NACHARBEIT AM WOCHENENDE UND AM DARAUFFOLGENDEN WOCHENENDE + LIEGEN !!!!

@schadowizationproductions6205 4 жыл бұрын

@@pipss2669 Sdt Hülsesack, gesunder Menschenverstand: sbg!

@DarkReanimation 4 жыл бұрын

Uuuhhh... that would give an hour of putting the safety on and off... until your indexfinger is used up like your soles from the KS after long marches 😂

@gooondie 6 жыл бұрын

That magazine flip up is so cool!

@john050994 4 жыл бұрын

It's incredible how smooth the full auto shooting was given the straight blow back and the high rate of fire. It looked incredibly controllable for a lead firehose. Gotta love the Swiss.

@TJjjjjjjjjjj 6 жыл бұрын

Holly mackerel gun Jesus that rate of fire is nuts

@royperkins3851 6 жыл бұрын

t j a ppsh can hit 1200rds a minute when it's been used a while 3pulls on the trigger would empty a 72 rd mag in a blink?

@TJjjjjjjjjjj 6 жыл бұрын

Roy Perkins hahha yeah but the soviets are crazy :)

@daveconleyportfolio5192 5 жыл бұрын

Shoot at right angles to the target and bludgeon the enemy with casings.

@V4MPYR1055 6 жыл бұрын

Here and proud to be swiss

@BillBodrero 2 жыл бұрын

I really like this line of Swiss sub guns. Elegant when fully dressed, and simple utility when all the elegant dress is removed, but still beautifully elegant in operation and design.

@eddyeikdal6741 6 жыл бұрын

For a neutral country the Swiss sure do love their military arms.

@liquidminds 6 жыл бұрын

The Swiss have some of the highest rates of private gun-owners in europe, since they have mandatory military service and get to keep their gun after that, for defensive purposes. They just recently changed it so that they don't get ammo with it anymore, because suicide-rates were just too high. Switzerland is also the only country that can be entirely locked down. Every entrance into the country can be blocked with steel-barriers and the mountains are full of hidden bunkers, even for jet-hangars sometimes. "neutral" only means they won't take sides in other countries fighting each other. It does not mean that they are not willing do defend. If you attack Switzerland, you got to expect every single swiss citizen to fight you.

@eddyeikdal6741 6 жыл бұрын

Must be nice.

@IonoTheFanatics 6 жыл бұрын

more accurately... part of the reason they were able to remain neutral at all were said arms in the first place (among others), having guns and well trained men able to use them tend to be more effective at convincing others to leave you alone than most things.

@baron8107 6 жыл бұрын

Eddy Eikdal That's how you stay neutral.

@baron8107 6 жыл бұрын

liquidminds Why were suicides such a problem?

@emilhajbert5326 6 жыл бұрын

Support Ian on Patreon and see amazing videos like this early

@thelizardking3807 6 жыл бұрын

You ma ma ma ma make me haappy

@jaytea4093 6 жыл бұрын

How is your comment older than the video by 4 weeks?

@whatevah 6 жыл бұрын

was posted as unlisted and link provided to the patreon supporters ahead of time

@nickirmen6671 4 жыл бұрын

thanks mclovin

@arsenal_616 6 жыл бұрын

Would be interested to see a comparison between this one and the nicer non-"ghetto blaster" version. Because this seems pretty solid for an SMG of it's era. I'd like to see what the differences are and where corners were cut.

@CAMSLAYER13 6 жыл бұрын

www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/sig-mp46mp48mp310/

@arsenal_616 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@cumminslover007 6 жыл бұрын

I can only assume we'll be getting a video on those sweet 550 carbines next

@FedericoStivan 6 жыл бұрын

cumminslover007 they are 553s ;)

@cumminslover007 6 жыл бұрын

The 552/553 look practically identical, so I just group them as 550 carbines.

@matteci 6 жыл бұрын

Probably yes seeing that the one on the right is still switched in full auto fire. 😁

@StarkRaven59 6 жыл бұрын

They're making me really want a civvie version.

@FedericoStivan 6 жыл бұрын

It's expensive but worth every penny ;)

@butcherpiper4698 6 жыл бұрын

Damn, ian is in my country and I could't have a feldschlösschen with the man. Love your videos ian!

@hodegetisch 6 жыл бұрын

phui, cardinal 4 ever ;) (jo, ich weiss beidi werded in Rhyfäldä gmacht)

@butcherpiper4698 6 жыл бұрын

schwiizer bier ist das beste bier! Grüess von Tessin!

@MRCL8215 6 жыл бұрын

In Neuhuse wird aber Falke trunke ;)

@damnbadger8242 6 жыл бұрын

back in the days , you used to sell 'Gurten' bier.. That was better then Feldschlossen, or Heineken, Grolsch enz. Where did it go? Gr. from the Netherlands.

@butcherpiper4698 6 жыл бұрын

We still do! Nice Beer from our Hauptstadt!

@austinmontenegro976 6 жыл бұрын

Enjoying this on my birthday, thanks Ian and forgotten weapons!

@anonymousbosch9265 4 жыл бұрын

Beautiful in it utility and elegant design even if it’s aesthetic finish has been overlooked

@zuhailishufller8046 6 жыл бұрын

Quite simple design. Did`nt expect that from Swiss.

@ohredhk 6 жыл бұрын

Swiss gun! Always want to see these.

@iacobvs2605 6 жыл бұрын

Nice pocket watch on your left on the wall

@MrPanzerDragoon 2 жыл бұрын

The Swiss are just so amazing!

@RealThundar1 6 жыл бұрын

This really is my fav channel on youtube. You really do have the best job in the world, Ian.

@hamboneneurosis995 3 жыл бұрын

This video may be on the short side, but it's still one of my favorites. Thanks man

@Haaraff 6 жыл бұрын

Love how the morphology of the pistol grip and the fire select lever were recycled for the SIG 510 (Stgw 57)

@mbchannel1037 4 жыл бұрын

Nice! Very compact, simple design and light weight.

@apple_with_a_human_butt 6 жыл бұрын

Ian I feel very honored that you still wear the varusteleka hoodie and the badge! I love your vids!

@ChannelSho 6 жыл бұрын

The acoustics in the location make that gun sound way more awesome than it appears.

@JiiHooMan 6 жыл бұрын

What makes the gun recoil so mildly? It looks relatively light, it has high fire rate, short bolt travel and the barrel aligns above the stock so you could think that the recoil would be quite harsh. But instead it seems to be very controllable in full auto, almost like the way the KP-31 is, which has the advantage of heavy weight to absorb the recoil.

@EattinThurs61 5 жыл бұрын

The high rate of fire I think. Very low and very high is more stable than midrange rate of fire.

@jonross377 5 жыл бұрын

LOL It's a 9mm.

@trashpanda314 6 жыл бұрын

What a sweet little blaster! I've read about them before but I guess I just passed it by as another dime a dozen sub gun. Man was I wrong, the Swiss once again give me some medicine to take. Lol. Great work as usual; Ian.

@amperzand9162 6 жыл бұрын

I want this thing to be more common in fiction and reality, because it seems neat as hell.

@IRMentat 6 жыл бұрын

Rate of fire sounds like the mg42 baby brother. Edit. not far off, iirc mg42 was 1200 rpm.

@Turgz 6 жыл бұрын

IMMentat 1200 was the average cyclic rate for the MG42.

@peterhopkins4748 6 жыл бұрын

Ian, I love the way that the sound of the gun is attenuated in that firing range, it makes it sound awesome. This gets me thinking... many people have designed and manufactured devices to suppress the sound of a weapon firing but has anyone actually made an attenuator to make something like a sub-machine gun sound more like a medium or heavy machine gun.

@vampolascott36 3 жыл бұрын

I like that Swiss pocket watch hanging from the wall.

@emiliomoreno3256 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Ian.

@mikeellis4158 4 жыл бұрын

Nice weapon. I like how the mag well folds for storage. Strange shooting range.

@GetTheFO 6 жыл бұрын

It sounds so satisfying hearing the casings clatter on the floor for some reason.

@nixcomments 6 жыл бұрын

The folded/collabsed transportation mode looks marvelous! Almost like a star wars blaster. Are there any videos about the previous and more refined versions of this sub machine gun on this channel?

@nixcomments 6 жыл бұрын

toomanyaccounts thank you!

@fletcherpotvin7707 6 жыл бұрын

"Exactly what you'd expect from the Swiss, really nice guns." *cameraman blushes*

@anthonystabile9706 6 жыл бұрын

A video about the 550 series would be cool.

@RewanHelvetius 6 жыл бұрын

well ... not realy a "forgotten weapon" but i would love to see that to. from early prototype on. i love the 550 platform. so grate to shoot.

@pLAST3RdISAST3R 5 жыл бұрын

Incredible! Yes, thanks to those who donate on Patreon for helping make these possible!!

@troy9477 6 жыл бұрын

Nice design, especially the bolt, recoil spring, charging handle, and their relationship. Looks pretty controllable for 1000 rpm. I wonder if it would be even better with a buffer bringing it down to 800 or so. Never heard of these. Always interesting to learn a new one. Great video as always. Thank you

@anilborah3127 10 ай бұрын

If you're looking around for a BB pistol I would recommend this one kzfaq.infoUgkxnX9wE_Q8zvF75Y5iWzTU3Q4FlrtyGApQ . I ordered two BB pistols from Dan Wesson and this one is so much nicer than the other one. It's a well built gun. Can't say that about the other one. I thought the Mag was pretty easy to load. I also just lock the spring back and fill up the hole with 16 BB's with no sweat. Easily remove the rear part of the handle from the bottom with the Mag removed to access the CO2 chamber. Sweet. Very nice painted sights on both ends. Doesn't have blowback but the gun is rated at 410 fps the blowback edition is 365 fps.Didn't really know much about BB guns before but now I see that Umarex makes some fine BB guns. You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer CO2 air pistol than this one I think. Just seems flawless. It even states on the packaging Glock perfection. I think my next Airgun may very well be an Umerex. Oh and if you really want a blowback (don't think amazon sells the Glock w/blowback) you might consider the Beretta APX by Umarex. But that gun is only rated at 310 fps. All things being equal, if it were me I'd buy the Glock again in a heartbeat :)

@as2ds 6 жыл бұрын

Nice Ian, very nice.

@MrRogsmart 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian. Good video.

@KorbinX 6 жыл бұрын

I don't know what is more intimidating about this gun: The amount of lead flying or the sound of the brass hitting the floor ;)

@TheGearhead222 4 жыл бұрын

I own a Schmidt-Rubin K-31 carbine and a M1911 long rifle. Both very well made and accurate rifles. Some of the NICEST guns in my C&R collection in terms of overall value:)-John in Texas

@spudgunn8695 4 жыл бұрын

So even a cheaped-out Swiss SMG is a lot better than most other people's expensive ones! Guess we now know how they can stay Neutral for so long.

@achimswiss 6 жыл бұрын

im from, swiss and didnt know about this gun. its realy cool this funny gagdet :) and there stay 2 sigg90 stgw. greets from stwitzerland and thx for the grat work ypu did.

@Feiora 6 жыл бұрын

the smoothness and engineering of a watch, paired with the crude looks of a grease gun...

@borismuller86 6 жыл бұрын

Very interesting gun. Good to see even the Swiss were watching the pfennigs back in the 1940s.

@JenniferinIllinois 6 жыл бұрын

"A thousand rounds a minute. Damn" - best Ian line ever! Hehehe...

@burnsboysaresoldiers 6 жыл бұрын

Vatican Swiss guards used that sig series of sub guns for yeeeeears. Right next to their Dreyse pistols

@Elektronaut 6 жыл бұрын

at 5:58 when you extended the stock, did the magazine swivel down on it's own?

@ItsBodin 6 жыл бұрын

Elektronaut thats what it looks like which would make since. No point in pulling out the stock if the gun cant feed. Plus its swiss even on a chepo SMG they are going to have bells and whistles.

@randywatson8347 6 жыл бұрын

Wow looks very controllable

@heliosdelsol 6 жыл бұрын

That's a nifty little SMG! 👍🏼

@666toysoldier 5 жыл бұрын

The brass pouring out gives a new meaning to "golden rain".

@theofficialsikris 3 жыл бұрын

No one: The Ejector: *"My sole purpose is to send brass into space."*

@raysrecipe1993 3 жыл бұрын

We have this baby still works like well and still accurate for its age we had trouble trying to find extra mags for it but luckily we found someone who makes mags from scratch. Its now being preserved registered for archiving purposes.

@sergeimosin9834 4 жыл бұрын

The Springfield model 87a operating system is reminiscent of this SMG. It's my favorite .22 firearm.

@Rilyn666 6 жыл бұрын

That mag/grip fold was enough for me to think this gun was awesome!

@Delray58 6 жыл бұрын

Nice little gun.

@jacobstaten2366 Жыл бұрын

It would be really cool to dig out a tiny indoor range in your basement like this.

@future_phonk Жыл бұрын

Still better than any economical tube smg. I want one 😍

@Mr9Guns 6 жыл бұрын

Reminds me a bit of the MAT49 a bit especially with the folding magwell.

@davidbroz-tanner1756 6 жыл бұрын

Put on the subs. It registers the bursts as music and applause. God bless

@billsummy2412 6 жыл бұрын

So sort of like that french mat-49 with that folding mag?

@Greger88 6 жыл бұрын

Is the magazine automatically in the loaded position when would fold it back or do you need to push it in slightly to fire/pull out slightly to fold like other similar designs? I hope none of the other rifles were neglected in the making of this video :) .

@LittleLion93 6 жыл бұрын

Hi from Switzerland :)

@LittleLion93 6 жыл бұрын

Someone did :P

@anter176 6 жыл бұрын

Does barrel length play a significant part in how long the pressure is too high to open the action?

@jameelomar8513 6 жыл бұрын

Cool...Sig is life

@arcticequine7084 6 жыл бұрын

Wait, if you're at Switzerland then I dearly hope there's a SIG 542 video on the horizon. I always wanted to see how that rifle would stack up in the FAL vs G3 debate.

@XBrh53a 6 жыл бұрын

Gotta love those Brass Rainbows.

@zakariahadiprayoga6803 5 жыл бұрын

Beautiful song~

@myparceltape1169 2 жыл бұрын

If these are safety spectacles which are ground to suit Iain's eyesight, they are exactly what a man wanted from the Swiss company he worked for.

@MisteriosGloriosos922 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!!

@EattinThurs61 5 жыл бұрын

Nice Gun.

@spairus4492 6 жыл бұрын

I like how the ejected cartridges form what you could only call a stream! At least on camera.

@dentistguba 6 жыл бұрын

sounds like wind chimes as they hit the floor.

@grc70 6 жыл бұрын

This SMG is elegant in it's simplicity.

@TrajanowskiRifleworx357 6 жыл бұрын

That rate of fire doe 👌🏻

@ukaszwalczak1154 Жыл бұрын

If you asked me which gun i would not fire, this is one of them.

@EroSonogSvijeta 6 жыл бұрын

Cool video Ian! What's up with the Varusteleka patch on your left arm?

@brunodrivel2487 4 жыл бұрын

I like it. Perfect back up pistol. Could've used it in papua a few times

@Neepri-Mies 6 жыл бұрын

2:12 oohshiiiiiiit!!!!! That's awesome.

@udi112 6 жыл бұрын

i like how you have a casual 552 commando next to it, review that too!

@bradford5833 6 жыл бұрын

Amazing what the Swiss could and can come up with. 1026 9mm rounds per minute, cheap, simple and easy to use.

@stephenwalters4798 6 жыл бұрын

lovely, I want one...

@kampase 6 жыл бұрын

Nice Varusteleka patch

@CarlsonWDane 6 жыл бұрын

"1000 rounds a minute, damn!" Gun Jesus

@Pcm979 6 жыл бұрын

Is there anywhere I can read more about this series of guns? A desultory search came up with nothing.

@Dondolini94 6 жыл бұрын

This seems excellent for such a old gun, even thought the r.o.f. is so high the recoil seems reasonable. Honestly, for a 9mm, as long as it doesn't jam often and have fire selector, over 1000 rpm full auto is the way i would like to go.

@swagner58 5 жыл бұрын

Even with that rate of fire (and I'd hate to question the Swiss when it comes to counting things, but that seemed suspect to me) it's not surprising that it's controllable. Stock axis and bore are very close, everything is aligned parallel to line of fire. Compare that to something like the Thompson which Ian has shown really likes to climb when fired. Great series.