Out-moneyball the moneyball

@@jbj7599 The number is really close, but never the less Twins payroll was still smaller. A’s at $41,000,000 and the Twins were at $40,225,000. Growing up watching the Twins it was the one part about Moneyball that annoyed me the most. Not to mention they show the Twins beating them in the movie!

by 1 million 💀 ok?

@@eatmynuggiez8911 haha hey 2 is still greater then 1! If you’re going to make a movie about “the moneyball way” they could’ve at least included the team that was the best at it.

@@eatmynuggiez8911 bro 1 million is like 7 players on these teams

Remember, it would have been our second team in 9 years we would have lost

Too bad You Tube allows foul.language

I’m a Twins fan, and am not a huge Packers guy, but I like the Brewers. Cool name, cool stadium, the fans have been nice when I was in Milwaukee for a two games.

There’s a lot of overlap between twins fans/packers fans in western Wisconsin. Many Wisconsin folk cheer for the Minnesota Wild, so, no, I don’t think it’s that crazy that Minnesota fans would cheer for the Brewers

​@@christianf5131certainly not enough for Bud Selig's idea to really seem worthwhile

Yea but Arod's contract was over what 10 years not 1 payment

@@mikeybarboza3086 Exactly, inflation goes up so much in 10 years so getting it up front and spendable is way different

And a little under 20 years later the Mets sold for 10 times that price. Even the Royals (consistently ranked as one of the smallest market and least valuable teams) sale in 2019 was for $1 billion

@@mikeybarboza3086 Be assured that $250M payout to each team ownership would have been the total of a series of payments. How many outfits can scrounge up half a BILLION in cash?

Love this comment

Crazy thing is that I don't think this is the best Twins team I've ever seen in my life (was born in 93, for reference). This team was good. Later iterations were even better, just ran into some of the worst postseason luck I've ever seen

@@matthewbless3335 Was just going to say the same thing. The 2006 Twins were absolutely stacked, and the hottest team in baseball for the entire second half of the season. Santana, Mauer, Morneau, Hunter, Nathan, all in their prime. The first iteration of the "Pirahnas", and Liriano running neck-and-neck with Verlander for ROY before his injury cut his season short. I was at the final game of the season against the White Sox where chants of "Let's go Royals" were frequent, I'm sure confusing the players on the field. Afterwards, almost everyone stayed in their seats to watch the end of the DET/KC game on the big screen, and collectively lost it when KC pulled off the upset. That was the only Twins team where I felt like a WS run was a very real possibility. So, their subsequent first-round collapse was all the more devastating to my fragile 14 year-old psyche.

Amen to that. $7 lower level outfield GA, dollar dog Tuesdays. Great memories!

I grew up watching the Twins starting in the 70's. The first time I remember them going to the playoffs EVER was in 1987, the year they won the World Series. Straight line distance I lived about 10 miles away from the HHH Dome and when they won game 6 you could hear the cheers at my house and again the next day when they won it all. The day after game 7 I reported to Ft McClellan to complete my AIT and began my time in the military. 5 years later I was in Korea and was late for duty because I was watching them win their 2nd World Series.

As a white Sox fan those goddamn twins man

Forget the White Sox guy... as a Tigers fan, especially back then... I saw Screw You.

Torii Hunter is a really cool guy

JUSTIN PORNO

Ok

Jacque Jones is incredibly nice, when he was in chicago i got to talk to him during their spring training games for a few years. He would talk to my dad during the game from right field sometimes lol.

I like how when I saw this video I remember hearing how AJ was such a douche and here’s another confirmation lol

What did Pierzynski do?

@@spittle8 he’s just been known his whole career as a bad guy in baseball I loved him but others hated

Which game are you talking about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7

@@adandemobilegamer probably the one shown in the video

As a lifelong Twins fan with a soft spot for the Reds, here's to a life of eternal optimism.

Also lifelong Reds fan here, and when he mentioned Eric Milton, I got sick.

"AND WE'LL SEE YA TOMORROW NIGHT!" .. that one..

Piranhas

The twins don't have A good side. Take one look at their stadium and you'll see. They've got right, center, and left field. They have two dugouts by foul lines, a backstop, etc. Those are a lot of sides. Don't comment false information, bro 😤

@@hihunter7 WTF???

@@zackaryhaselius2226 A joke haha

@@hihunter7 yeah, i still didnt get it though.

I know! Breaks my heart to think they wanted to shut the twinkies down bc the commissioner had a financial interest in the brewers! Shady!

@@gildedpeahen876 this is simplifying it a bit too much. Did you watch the video? They had major stadium problems and were consistently in the red as an organization. Bud Selig having ties to the Brewers is not the reason they almost folded. It is a contributing factor perhaps but it isn't the reason. Jesus.

@@AceManning18 I don’t think Jesus has to be brought into it 😂

As a Met fan, later in his career he had a stop with us. The guy couldn’t hit but man his defense was remarkable, nothing ever got by him! Seemed to make every single play down at 1st

​@@aidana4033 I remember him as being a bright guy, and funny as hell. Then he left our Mets and talked about how much he hated it here. Oh well.

Almost die from the isolated tornado 🤣. When I was in the single digits of age I couldn’t even open the damn revolving doors.

Those grey pinstripe jerseys along with the DQ jerseys are by far the best.

I saw numerous old timers have their pants dropped leaving the dome!

And the Twins rewarded Ortiz by cutting him.

@@matthewbolin9646 thank god they did haha

@@matthewbolin9646 The reported difference in salary negotiations was 800K. The Twins wouldn't shell out another 800K for a hall of famer entering his prime. Smh

@@gabe1146 yeah, because he was obviously a hall of famer at that point. Smh we got a couch GM here...

We had a lot of players to keep that year, 3 new all Stars to pay, and the Pohlad's were not known for spending money. We were more Moneyball than Billy Bean thought he was. I didn't want to see Ortiz go, but we were deep at the position. Some guy named Justin Morneau came in and won the MVP for us at 1st base. What a terrible choice by us right?

As bad as the 2010s were for the twins, they were nowhere near as bad as 1992-2000. The team won a WS and immediately went to horse shit

I threw some text on screen to correct that

i dont remember the movie treating the Twins like a juggernaut at all. just pointing out how the A's were not doing the appropriate things needed to win like moving runners over

Twins were very lucky to win that series but they did. Pretty sure the Twins were the underdogs.

Yeah that movie is annoying.

Lol... how is not historically accurate silly? The movie isn't about the A's having shitty players that suck lol. It's about GETTING GREAT RESULTS FROM CHEAP PLAYERS. Which is exactly what they did with their pitching rotation. You missed the ENTIRE point of the movie homie.

@@AdamB34 There are a handful of aspects of the movie that aren't historically accurate. The book was sketchy at times, but the movie was further simplified/dramatized, like the David Justice scene and how the Yankees paid half his salary just to get rid of him (it wasn't the Yankees, it wasn't half his salary, and Billy Beane actively wanted Justice because Justice could still hit).

Just Like How Minnesota Won In Real Life In 2002

Search it there are à few videos out there on youtube

That year was their last time they won a playoff game.

@@therealjaystone2344 That was in 2004 actually because they won game 1 of that ALDS against the Yankees.

you're an intern... why would they keep you informed?

@@therealjaystone2344 nah they've won playoff games since then. that's the last time they won a series

@@jarretc110 i'm not sure he was implying that he should have been lol

Honestly the whole thing was a big scam ran by Selig.

And vote for Twins was 28-2 is high % of owners voting against them. Hard to imagine that many voted a franchise out

@@CC-rb1yf Selig was gonna pay them off

It's still not clear how serious it was. It felt very real at the time but there's reason to believe it was all leverage shenanigans ahead of the CBA expiration on August 1st 2002.

It was entirely illegal and was just the other clubs looking to make more money and players over two others. Did the Twins have a rough 1990s? Yes. But it wasn't like they hadn't fairly recently won the World Series in both 1987 and 1991. Many clubs today don't have a more recent World Series win, if any, than those years. Yeah, I'm looking at you, Milwaukee Brewers, home of Bud Selig's team.

Probably not as bad as Atlanta from 1991. LOL

Maybe someday the Twins will win a title again. Someday...

Very true. You needed speedy and very rangy outfielders to counter this issue, and the twins had constructed their roster perfectly for that

Me too....I went to one Minn/Angels pay-off game. "Thunder sticks" were the trend and it was LOUD! Loved it!...We peaked at the right time..!

@@kendallevans4079 we started 6-14 too. It looked bad in April but then they caught fire and went on to their first playoff since 1986. Great season even if we did just get the wild card.

And he almost got a 4th home run it went off the mini monster in right field. AK

@@toLIVEinDIEnLA I remember that he failed to lay down a bunt and then with 2 strikes he crushed it. Best failed bunt ever.

and the Red Sox embraced his methods and won the World Series in 2004 and 2007. It's not like Beane's analytical approach is the problem. It's the lack of payroll support from ownership that hinders the A's.

@@flip9118 the red sox were spending over 100 million on those teams. That's not moneyball

Exactly!!! For all that BS analyzing and some really BS stats, it has never produced championship hardware.

@@mccluresrevenge7734 Say it again!!! Let's also not forget that Red Sox management pissed and moaned about the Yankees spending money. Until of course they started doing the same.

@@mccluresrevenge7734 It was an analytical approach to roster building based on statistics. You don't have to be on a shoestring budget to make that work. And every team in the MLB has been using a version of this for at least 5-10 years now.

My most favorite group of ball players ever. So much fun every day with these guys.

He never gets enough credit for how good and reliable he was. One of the all time great Twins.

2002 was fun...I felt they had just started not topped out!

The A's stunk on defense, in part, because they couldn't afford to pay for good defense. Obviously you'd like to have 9 great hitters, all with great gloves, but everybody wants those players and the A's couldn't afford to pay what it would cost. They determined that defense was an overvalued area, and that the difference between a good/great defensive player and a mediocre/poor defensive player was minimal and not worth what they would have to pay. If you had to choose between a poor hitter with a great glove and a good hitter with a poor glove, the better hitter will net you more wins over the course of the season.

@@brianschwartz7937 Untrue. Analytics will literally tell you that a team that prioritizes defense at key positions on the field can help you win more than a premium hitter at that position. The Cleveland Indians are a prime example of what happens when you think you can outslug a team in October. In addition to having mediocre pitching The Indians also had bad defense at key positions. The A’s tried to get away with their fatal flaw being defense & it cost them.

You should have proposed right then and there.

@@andimallouttabubblegum5218 Pretty sure I remember a deafening noise... it was over 120 decibals in that old Metrodome, I remember it showing on a graphic during intense moments. You could scream as loud as possible, but couldn't hear yourself in the slightest. Not exactly "marriage proposal" friendly... plus I would have had to get down on one knee... prob would have gotten sticky ish stained on it. 😉😆😂

@@seanwallace89 I'll never forget those blue seats.

Didnt even want to try, my comment section wouldve had a field day

Min Kay vich. Red Sox fan here. So ya we learned in 04

lol

You guys know he was best friends with A-rod in high school. They both played on the football team. A-rod was the QB and Dougie was his wide receiver.

​@@yankees29 I didn't know that. I remembering him leading the majors in average for half a season-hitting near .400. And he could do the splits with ease so wild throws in the dirt to first were still an out.

Agree 100 percent! Every single day they were fun to watch. Best defensive team I have ever seen!

That 2002 Angels and the 2015 Royals cannot be considered moneyball. A team with a new stadium or new remodeled stadium CANNOT be considered moneyball. A team can only be considered moneyball if they have the following 4 = a low payroll, old stadium, cannot get a new stadium approved, and are looking to relocate. But yes, the 2003 Marlins are moneyball to win it all.

@@hmhm856 Stadium and payroll doesn't really have anything to do with moneyball. the philosophy is ultimately about player valuation. Beane gauged a player's more underlying value by ignoring surface stats and focusing more on sabremetrics. This approach would allow a savvy GM to assemble affordable players who were underrated by traditional scouting methods. But hoarding cheap players isn't the point of moneyball. The 2002 Angels were a rebuilding project. Disney dumped players like Edmonds and Vaughn to save money and the cheap players who replaced the fit the moneyball prototype. The A's had 3 aces and Miguel Tejada. Not many could name an 2002 Angels pitcher without googling.

He was so underrated.

The ‘02 Twins had an outstanding bullpen with a lot of underrated guys: Eddie Guardado, Tony Flore, J.C. Romero, LaTroy Hawkins, Michael Jackson Those 5 guys combined, they had an ERA of 2.68, and this was still during the steroid era.