Can you do a video on Destery Smith? More people need to know about that shitbag, and there is a lot to cover, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on it!

man, screw the youtube gods. sorry they keep screwing you over

Yes screw them!

I'm not sneezing in my mask and getting mucus all over my face. I will continue to seeze in my arm without the mask. Tf. Rude.

Well...I got an ad in the beginning

Twitch's, too.

But honestly it does spawn some kind of funny jokes, like Mr. Atheist's "Baking Channel" for instance

All social media, other "informational" channels including regular old fashion tv are completely out of control for awhile now and it doesn't seem to stopping

It's strange how we are all slowly getting used to censorshop though. Suppose we don't have a choice if we want to continue watching KZfaq but that kinda scares me.

Lol I typed censorshop and now I'm picturing some kind of photo shop app but instead it helps you edit to censor things. Lol.

Hahahaha. Rhymes with “pet fish”.

@@FlorenceIsOnFire oh that’s a good one lol

aww

@@FlorenceIsOnFire Rhymes with "Some Puzzler"... Flexible... "Readme File" uhhhh I can come up with way too many of these it's kind of fun.

Got me feeling like we are being all hush hush, and cautious as to not wake mommy youtube at night during a sleepover

them: i'm sorry IF i hurt you us: wtf- u- i'm sorry what? i swear they imply we are all being sensitive when in reality its a serious issue.

@@mxngos7493 omg ikr! It's absolutely disgusting

I oh ggu

@@oliver.e.murphy kkmmjh h

When Shane go back to YT?

i actually love your voice unlike tp

Thank you ☺️💖

It truly is

Yeah what eye shadows are they please ilooks amazing x

​@@lizzielonglegs1980 Morphe 35O3 fierce by nature palette, the darkest shade and the two greens

@@VangelinaSkov what is the blue? I’m confused. Fierce by nature is all warm colors and two greens...where are the blues and purples from! They’re gorgeous

Thats hilarious

I only really got weird vibes from nan. No one else in the system

YES! Strange energy coming from them.. Nin and the system i love them but Nan was terrifying.

@@linkinlog8543 Riven gave me the creeps as well. Jeremy was the only one I felt comfortable watching.

@@laraisokay Really? I was about to say Riven didn’t give me weird vibes but I only saw him on Nin’s videos

I liked watching Nin's videos back in the day, but didn't care much for Nan's videos. Couldn't listen to their voice for too long.

also a customer took their mask off at the till the other day to speak and i just-

@@tcrmoving Wh- God no..

@@tcrmoving My teachers do that all the time. I men tbf they're much farther away than 6 feet and trying to speak to a room of over 30 people is hard with a mask on, but I don't get these people who are like "I'll wear it until it's slightly inconvenient to me"

@@tcrmoving Ughhh that reminds me of when I was working at a pet store last summer and customers used to stick their head by the side of the plexiglass shield when I was working by the register 😂

Agreed

I absolutely love this comment and this is the only way I want to be referred to from now on lmao

@@VangelinaSkov noted 👁👁

I think we've officially reached the point where if half of the allegations are true, the rest don't need to be true for them to be scum.

Just stumbled onto this drama and I don't know enough about it to take any sides, just wanted to warn that these are not really strong reasons to believe the reddit post. Having an obvious external benefit is rarely a reason anyone puts anything on the internet, most people post because the benefit is emotional from any interaction they get. In this instance, there could be a thrill to pouring fuel on the fire of an ongoing drama, or even some sense of authority from making themselves a part of the drama. Also worth mentioning, many of the people in that audience are struggling with their own mental health and may act with less reasonable/obvious motivations. They're not really drawing a target on themselves for abuse, because majority of the internet has sided against TP at this point, and they were posting to a forum that has become entirely comprised of people bashing the individuals involved in this drama (a circle jerk of hate, if you will), so it's actually very low risk, high reward (in the form of upvotes and positive attention). Accounts are mostly anonymous if you aren't a high profile person, or they could easily make a throwaway. This video doesn't link the original post and I couldn't find it after sifting through the past two months of posts on the mentioned subreddit to confirm if it might be a throwaway though, don't know if the post was deleted or I just didn't go back far enough in time but that does make its story a little more suspect. Saying there's no active TP drama is not entirely true, either, from what I've seen within that community, Nin's drama is very much active and the TP drama is deeply entangled with it. Lack of embellishment is also more suspect, post only confirms information already known and doesn't provide anything new. It also seems to slightly prey on people's internalized disgust for sexual fetishes - the lady in this video shows obvious disgust for this fetish, making many judgemental comments about it, while claiming no-kink-shame...it is kink shame. That the sneeze fetishists were also automatically equated to perverts and pedos in the story isn't questioned (they have a strange fetish so they must all be pervs, right?), yet no one questions a young minor outing their age in a sex site they definitely know they're not supposed to be in...it's all very bad faith, especially the long diatribe that feels like a form of emotional manipulation to make their story more sympathetic "these adults should have guided me and instead took advantage of me" - something not relevant to their story and wasn't the express purpose of the site (looked it up on the way back machine , it seems there was a restricted access youth board available as far back as 2003 they could've joined for talking with people their age, no mention in their post that they sought access to it though it may have sold their story better as to why they believed Nan to be 16-ish if they were both part of that board, it's otherwise strange that they just assumed that they were taking to a 16 yo on a site for a sex fetish with a lot of active adults). The lack of evidence when prompted does, actually, make their story more suspect, too, not less, especially because of the rather dubious coincidence that years later they stumbled on this person's KZfaq while just randomly taking a stroll through mental health youtube (as one does) and followed them until this controversy came out, yet never once speaking about it until well after everything had blown over (why didn't they reveal it when the drama was ongoing if they knew about this person before everything came out?). It's easy to falsely make these allegations without evidence now since everyone has already made up their mind about this TP person based on the art and weird kink, no one would dig too deep or ask too many questions. That's not to say the reddit post is a lie, but everything on the internet not backed by verifiable evidence or a person's reputation should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Right?? I would have to pause every time I had to sub a word but she went through it like a pro.

Feel ya girl

Hell yeah..

Feel you sm

I can't relate to this comment any harder than I currently do. There's something about watching a creep's life go to shambles that's just so.... *chef's kiss*

Yeah, very reminiscent of the feet jokes and tweets from Dan Schneider now. Like, it was weird and random at the time, but that was humor back then, and now looking back, everyone involved were exposed to and sucked into weird ish fuel. It makes me feel used in a way, and pissed that they probably exposed it to minors.

What is the video title?

@@azra7711 it doesn't matter because Team Pinata deleted their entire KZfaq so we can't see it. But I think it was something about how their alters sneeze differently. Like some have a little dainty "achoo" and some sound like a foghorn. I do remember the body was feeling discomfort and some of the alters were feeling uncomfortable. It was difficult to tell whether that was because Nan was using some irritant to make them sneeze, or if some of them know that sneezing was Nan's "ish".

@@ceekay3143 i remember that video so well, Nan ordered an irritant and the alters had to smell it, most of them had no clue what it was and some of them hated sneezing

I understand people have their own *interests* but just can't see the interest in someone elses germy nose/mouth explosions. I don't like myself even doing it XD apart from dogs actually, they're just cute and hilarious

And I was thinking the dark moon arc of Sailor Moon

Omg!!¡ i read this series too and was like so into it in highschool 😂 youre making me want to reread the series again haha

Thats immediately what I thought of

@@btorres3875 I couldn't finish as it got so ridiculous that by the time Zoey had four boyfriend soulmates I needed a break.

Omg you brought back some memories with that comment xD

Both of those things make me uncomfortable too. Especially the Dan situation because his works were mostly watched by kids. It’s uncomfortable knowing that we watched that without knowing what it really was.

I’m an even bigger mess when I’m transcribed 😂

@@VangelinaSkov Correct XD

I feel the same way

bet, gonna be teached in history lessons at some point xD or maybe language development. poor souls may have to learn even more irregular declination words :/

That's not code switching that's just using code words

In the future, I think people will think very badly of .pdf files, and we might have to name them something else.

This is such an informative and non-judgemental comment. Thank you for sharing your story and I am grateful to hear you are able to educate and advocate for other survivors. 🙏🏽💞

I'm really sorry you had to live this, I'm sure it sounds cliché at this point but you are incredibly strong, I'm truly sorry and hope you are doing okay. Sending you lots of love from a kind stranger

Nan always gave me a weird af vibe (not about did)....like in an icky way🤷🏻‍♀️

@@fourever2ne1 SAME

For once lmao

@@VangelinaSkov Seriously. If I know a video is supposed to come out that day then I'm better off just refreshing the creator's page repeatedly than waiting for youtube to tell me it's been posted! On a completely different note, you're totally going to start an entirely new coded youtube language with all of your word substitutions xD

Can't relate, I just got it lmao

It told me TWO DAYS LATER

I just got it now. Weeird

Is this the one where people put horse saddles and equipment on and pretend to be horseys?

@Rainshadow & Co. ooh, that's a whole different thing, got it

I hope it goes well!

Hope it goes well!🦋 Praying for you!

Hope all goes well

Prayers for you Erin 🙏

Strength and healing energy your way!

Id also like to recommend feta cheese as a potential code

You still live, john?

Aaaaaaaawww shit

I feel the chemicals kicking in

@@ariannahoward4554 YOU CANT KILL A BAD B

Well said. The more I hear about DissociaDID, the more I think they're malignering (and TP by extension, because how tf do you date someone faking your disorder for YEARS and not realize/call them out for faking?) mainly due to issues with multiple systems having come out with DD having "stolen" their alters/trauma/inner worlds. And it's just crazy to think that this asshole is the main sources of DID representation for non systems. Ugh.

@@thedestroyasystem I agree so much.

@@thedestroyasystem who is faking their DID? Is there proof of it? :O

@@mindymend203 Well, I think both TP and DD, though I can’t be certain. I’ll list the evidence from “most concrete” to “pretty much speculation”. -If you look up “DissociaDID trauma stealing” you will see there have been multiple systems who have come out anonymously claiming that DD have asked them very personal details about their alters, trauma, and inner world, and then passed those details off as their own. Though they theoretically could be lying, I have a hard time believing that several people would lie about their experiences with DD and trauma stealing. And of course if they are telling the truth, no real system would claim other system’s alters or inner worlds as their own. -DD’s diagnostic timeline also doesn’t line up. For all its faults, KiwiFarms has a comprehensive timeline based on the info in DD’s vids, and it just doesn’t align. This alone isn’t solid proof, as I’d imagine it’d be difficult to remember especially with a dissociative disorder, but it has been proven that one of the people who “diagnosed” them, Remy Aquarone, (I say one of the because their story changes) is not actually qualified to diagnose anyone and is known as problematic at best within the community . So that’s very suspicious. -Gave advice on how to persuade your doctor to diagnose you with DID, including pretending to not know what the disorder is, and claiming (insert symptom here) whether you have it or not. That was very icky of them and once again, I have a hard time believing a real system would do such a thing. -Generally sensationalizing switches and the disorder in general which, once again, I get that different systems switch differently and they may be sensationalizing because it gets views. But this isn’t something I’ve seen ANY other DIDtubers doing, so just adds to the suspicions. -Just being very inconsistent with their story in general. For example, they have for years claimed not to show their Littles on camera, or even the littles’ names. Fair enough. Then all of a sudden on Anthony Padilla, when the most people are watching and it is arguably most risky, they have a little come out and introduce herself. You could probably explain this away, too, but for someone so protective of their Littles I really don’t believe they’d allow that footage to be in the final product, unless they were malingering, in which case of course you would because “Littles” make good viewing. -also, you’d think a system would know the difference between “fusion” and “integration,” because they sure as hell don’t. And of course TP. They’re a package deal. They’re either both real or both fake, I’m certain of that. It is going to be IMPOSSIBLE to consistently fake the disorder for YEARS, let alone around the person you see most who also happens to have the disorder. So, either they’re both lying and in on it together, or they’re both real. Reddit has some good threads on the topic, and as I mentioned KiwiFarms does too but it’s rife with bigotry so I wouldn’t suggest it. Once again, we don’t know for certain, but I’ve provided the evidence along with my opinion.

@@mindymend203 there's no proof they're faking and I personally don't believe they are.

For demonetized videos, the youtube algorithm doesn't look at view time, likes or comments. The best you can do is propagate it if you have friends or social media by sharing the video (or any of Vangelina's other vids!)

Wait how old are they both??

@@iamunique1792 Nin said their body age is 23 or 24 and Nan said their body’s age is either 30 or 31. I can’t remember if it was a live or a regular video that they mentioned it tho

@@elizabethvillasana4303 oh my thsts a big gap😲

@@iamunique1792 umm I have a lot of legit criticisms with TP but that’s not a large age gap lol 6-7 years? That is a common age gap… like 30 & 36, 23 & 30, 41 & 48… those are very normal.

@@lj0727 ah i see, ok then😅

TOP OF THE MORNING TO YA LADDIES

Is she irish? I couldn't stop thinking of jack too omg

Everytime I see tp i think toilet paper, which makes the unclean feeling worse

Ugh...that video where she was sneezing 🤢 clearly doing it for Nans gross enjoyment

Maybe she knew about the...interest and not the drawings

I just don't understand how someone's germy mouth/nose explosions is enjoyable. Animal sneezes are just funny, people are gross

Just to be clear, I'm not here to kink shame anyone. I also was implying that she probably knew about the drawings, but not all of them (as they have drawings of 18+ characters as well that they would have no reason to hide).

@@janey4319 well if my lover has a kink and draw about it, unless it bothers others I don't see way I shouldn't accept it. Maybe it was the same for Nin, without knowing the children stuff i don't see why she shouldn't have make them happy 🤷🏻‍♀️

That’s really sweet of you to say thank you 🥺

I agree I love her voice but Nans was horrid.

10 years ago, Nin would have been 15/16. So I'm not following how this person is claiming Nin was 20.............

10 years ago I was 20. And I definitely have screenshots of shit from back then. Mostly from MMOs I played

@@Sara-hy1kz Nan, not Nin.

I'm really sorry that happened to you, I hope you are okay :(

@@yomi8770 I am okay! It happened a long time ago and I think this realization will actually help me deal with those memories

@@sosunfreak alright, stay strong you got this

Hope you’re having a good day ✨

I feel sorry for the Alter that actually first was an OC of Nan, also involved in the 'fun ish' art, still having memories from his time as an oc

@@weltraumkotze Oh gosh yeah! That hadn't even crossed my mind! They had no choice in that which totally isn't fair

unless Nin is lying, which some people think she is

@@felixmastropasqua2820 lying about what? I think it's pretty clear that she has some kind of trauma involving child abuse. 1. She has never talked explicitly about her trauma or said what exactly happened (which is vallid). If she was lying wouldn't it be more believable to actually make up something? 2. Dissociative identity disorder is formed in early childhood and is caused by severe trauma, so something have to have happened 3. The way they talk about their past and how protective they are of their littles, it seems it was sexual or physical abuse. I know it's not right to speculate on other people's trauma, but it's just for if people think DD is lying Edit: another thing, Nin immediately left Nan and team pinjata when she heard about the sexualized child characters. She was clearly heartbroken and torn. They were engaged and she loved Nan, but she said she can't condone what they did and felt disgusted

@@helleswahn it’s.... a little weird to try make guesses about people’s abuse like that. idk.

@@themischief420 it's not exactly a guess tho? I mean they haven't said it outright, but it seems pretty obvious with how protective they are of their littles. My point was that I don't think Nin or dissociaDID would ever make this up

I want to add to this as a bit of a clarification: alters are only capable of what the brain is capable of. That doesn't necessarily mean the host, but that if the brain (ie, any alter) does something, all alters are technically capable of doing the same. Doesn't mean they will, doesn't mean they necessarily know how, but it's _possible_ . It's the very core of system responsibility. Doesn't matter if it wasn't *you*, your brain did it and you are responsible. All of this drama is so sickening.

@@thedestroyasystem yes, thank you! -Goblin system

Ah thank you x

What’s worse is when I was like 12 I think I would lie about being 15 or 16 because those were Big Ages to me..... 😭 but the randos said they were either about the same or around like 18 😖

90% of people lie in the internet.

They always felt like they were faking it honestly. Dissociadid maybe because of comfort. But team piñata was so sketch to me. For example when they disassociated into animals, they would bark and watever but when people would pass buy they would get quiet. Also when team piñata would change into a "friend" of disassociatedid, he would be super touchy and you could see he would almost kiss her and then realize he was swtiched to a friend and then stop. Also the way he disassociated was like he was gasping for air like a fish out of water. So strange to me. I dont see how switching would make you have a mini seizure

aaaand yes, it seems like you and other people remember that video. And the one where Nin (probably Chloe at the time) were in a vlog and were getting gross cute couple compliment type thing about their sneezes. Nin might have known about the sneezing ish - something a partner might know - but might not have known how much into CP it had gone.

system responsibility Life is unfair, but you cannot hide behind your disorder. I have bipolar disorder and sometimes I'm very agressive. But I never said "Sorry for being a d।сķ, but you cannot be angry with me because I had manic episode."

That’s excuses I don’t care if he’s got problems what if a 40yo had FUN with a 16yo but they were a system would you apply the same logic