Plants can grow off of an array of blue and red LED lights.

in the book of bioshock ryan says that he had some sort 'ryanium' that was strong against presure

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The Triton is NOT a promising looking device for divers, it doesn't exist. It isn't possible/real.

the triton is debunked

The Triton doesn't work, and plants can use artificial light to photosynthesize, so they don't need to be in the euphotic zone.

Damnit, where's the SCIENCE?!

The Triton has been debunked thoroughly, by more than one person.

Hello everyone; welcome to Game Theory!

The triton rebreather was a scam, thunderfoot made a great video debunking it. do your research next time guys

3:40 North? North Korea? That can't be right.

I like how you used Skyrim questmarkers on the map :D nice touch^^

You know you can grow plants under a lamp right? You don't need to be in the zone high enough for sunlight to pass through the water to grow plants, just a lot of lamps can grow enough plants

Shoddy, the triton was PROVEN to be a flop

Game Theory says that rapture is possible. So who should we believe?

"The City Would Pretty Much Be Crushed Like A Tin Can" -Rapture: wouldn't get crushed by the pressure considering the fact that every material it's made of is reinforced and more than half of the buildings are reinforced titanium

You're trying to put "shoddy" in ShoddyCast with that rebreather shit.

Everyone else: TEH TRITON IS FAKE! Meh: Yeah, and MattPat already did this video ecept a lot better with more evidence and math backing it up.

As someone who is an indoor gardener, plants are more than happy to use artificial light instead of sunlight. My bedroom only has one window and it's shaded by a tree, so I rarely get any sunlight, but I have almost 50 plants in my bedroom that have been doing well for months.

NOTE: Triton Is a Scam, Please get your facts straight!

Nice job Andrew! I've never actually played Bioshock. I'm getting the impression that I'm missing out.

Not to forget, pure oxygen is poisenous.... we need a gas of the quality of air or atleast 'unpure/mixed' oxygen.

Holy fuck this guy thought the rebreather was real😂. Just leave the actual science to Austin, guy.

game theory did this and it was better

Well ShoddyCast you really fucked up on fact checking.

Fine video folks, enjoyed it :)

Here's a really odd pair of questions given the more normal subject matter of the series: 1. Do you figure pre-2077 America in Fallout could have built something akin to rapture, and 2. would it survive the surface getting nuked to oblivion?

Great vid Andrew! Loving your work on the ShoddyCast channel :)

Guys, the coordinates on Jack's present aren't exactly the location of Rapture (Spoilers) They are the coordinates in wich Jack will open the present and hijack the plane. The exact coordinates and the exact instructions to hijack and bring down the plane on the location of the lignthouse shoud have been somewhere inside the package. The shallower and more suitable places you guys pointed out could be the location of Rapture. Also, the sun in Arcadia comes from a giant arrangement of mirrors coming from the lighthouse to rapture, and the glass and structure of Rapture is made from imaginary materials that are somehow extremally fucking resistent to pressure.

EXCUSE ME but you forgot to mention in the Bioshock infinite dlc burial at sea there are recordings of andrew ryan specifically saying he used aluminum as the metal for his city as well as MatPat at game theory confirming he used a specific type of glass he uses for the windows and glass tubes "that does exist in the real world" in his city!

Internal air pressure counteracts external water pressure, you can easily build deep sea structures as long as they are kept at pressure and the inhabitants and air mixtures are adjusted to that pressure. If you allow some difference in pressure the air mixture and adjustment times are reduced; so you can have your buildings as strong or as weak as you want depending on how extreme the pressure you want people to adjust to.

Here is an interesting extra fact. Iceland's geothermal and volcanic activity is not only due to the tectonic plates. In fact, the likely main reason why the island Iceland even became this big is due to it sitting on a *Hot Spot* (also sometimes called mantle plume), a gargantuan pocket of lava rising relatively close up to the surface of Earth's crust. Just an interesting titbit for those who didn't know.

you know, the triton rebreather has been proven to be completely impossible. other than that, great video :-)

I can't believe this guy fell for the Triton.

Rough comparison based on numbers I quickly googled: Splitting CO2 : 1500 kJ/mol ===> 1500 kJ per mol of O2 produced. (1 mol O2 per 1 mol CO2) Splitting H2O: 3000 kJ/mol ===> 6000 kJ per mol of O2 produced. (1 mol O2 per 2 mol H2O) (fyi: a mol is just a fixed number of molecules) So, if you really want to create your oxygen deep under water, your best bet is to just convert the CO2 back. This also gets rid of your problem with CO2.

For a city on the bottom of the sea, the buildings would almost have to be spherical in shape to distribute the immense pressures. The good thing is that the current that low is pretty small due to the massive boundary layer, so side loading from currents would be somewhat negligible. Like the man says the name of the game is pressure!

But that's just a theory, A GAME THEORY!

Triton is fake bro

In the end of the Bioshock Infinite you end up in Rapture and take the batisphere up to the surface going for roughly 150-200 meters.

You don't need sunlight for photosynthesis. If you have a source of power to extract oxygen out of water, you also have a power source to create light that plants can use. That said, electrolysis is a better idea. Plants would be used more as a source of food than anything else.

Air Pressure inside the structure would help mitigate the water pressure.

The triton thing is fake

but the triton rebreather is a scam? the amount of water it would need to pass through is monumental!

Couldn't you just use Electrolysis on the seawater? There's a fuckload of oxygen locked up in the stuff.

Oh cool a science video about BioSho- Oh it's by Andrew.

Are we close to rebuilding Harambe

The issue is that the triton thing is a scam due to you know, it not being physically possible

You forgot one point with the gardens : today, we can make vertical farms that don't require real sunlight, LED lights seems to be enough for plants to grow. Maybe it's enough to do some photosynthesis too ?

IF you read the Rapture Book (in the case you didn't), (I recommend), you probably would know that they build a sistem to "canalize" the sun light into rapture, and the constructions where based in the USA city building, buuutttt, the scale of everything where adapted to raptures/ocean format, to get somethings more easly, you could at least hear some audio book of rapture (I don't known if there is one, but probably have), the book tells almost everything about how rapture was constructed, how they taked the oxygen from the algae, using the geothermical as a source of energy, and bla bla bla

the triton is fake as balls , it is almost impossible to to make it real aswell , thunderf00t and numerus others did some good debunking on that thing

In the book, Ryan accounted for the pressure problem. since he was the times genius he invented a way to combine glass and steel and the atomic level and he used this for the glass panes along with different engineering for his city. But his city was still subject to erosion and water leakage was always an issue.The book was a pretty good read.

It would be impossible for the Triton Rebreather to work because of the size of its battery, it would need a battery the size of a hoverboard's to filter and pump enough oxygen for someone to be able to breath through it for just a couple of minutes.

The hint that triton was fake was that it was both useful, and from North Korea

Also andrew i enjoy your hidden history, but maybe consider sticking to that tbh.

For the oxygen production and CO2 removal the plants could actually be used. The lamps seen on the walls would have to be grow lights (lighting specifically designed to encourage plant growth) and they could be set on timers to dim and brighten to mimic sunlight.

It may have been mentioned before, but plants can exist without access to the Sun. A little piece of technology called grow lights are used when natural solar light is not available. And this technology has been in use for at least 50 years.

what about food?

Thunderf00t debunked the Triton rather hard.

If we ever develop artificial gills, we could just pump seawater through them to get oxygen.

in the prequel novelization of bioshock they address the pressure effecting the buildings problem. Andrew Ryan has someone design a clear glass like material that is comprised of various metals. he called it ryanium and supposedly it can withstand extreme pressures. the real life version of this would be that material designed by google that is going to be used as an uncrackable screen on their coming phones.

Ate you serious? Do your research. Those Triton hills are fake. Jeez

is he talking? all I can hear is a piano playing.

when I was down in the keys scuba diving I was a couple hundred feet away from that Aquarius lab but we couldn't get closer due to obvious reasons

Some guy did the math on the triton, to be able to breathe you need to pump 350+ liters (700 gallons?) of water through it per minute, at that's if you had a 100% oxygen uptake.

i'm sorry i just cant listen to Andrews voice for more than a few seconds

couldnt you use a graphene biodome to negate pressure

You want a real science-uncovering weapon challenge? The Death Note.

I remember an audio log in BioShock that said the garden was not the main source of oxygen. It was just to make the citizens feel better.

We just have to take bikini bottom and push it somewhere else

Is Columbia possible

awesome video as always

Oh, Iceland. How I love Iceland. Never seen a volcano, but tons of geysers and waterfalls.

mat pat did it first

I wish Columbia existed. I love it's conservative, pro white ideology and I love it's style the classic 1910's style.

"Would you kindly like". I suddenly have some strange urge to press the like button.

There's also the fact that building a city like Rapture would practically take over hundreds of trillions of dollars, considering the materials, man-power, and necessities.

*Are you fucking serious? You are really going to take an ubran legend-inspired rebreather which doesn't actually work for your scientific evidence?* Unsubbed.

Disappointed in this video, the research done on this channel is usually very good. Mention the triton breather and immediately it lost all credibility.

Spacesuits today only have CO^2 scrubbers as backups of the emergency sort. We can now just remove CO^2 directly and eject it from your otherwise closed system.

MOAAAAAR BIOSCHOOCK PLEAAASE! I LOVE BIOSHOCK! Bioshock and fallout are my two favorite games! Great vid!

I'm disappointed in the quality of this video. Not only did you fail to fact check multiple points you made but you also neglected information in the game concerning the depth of the city. rapture is NOT located 2000 m below sea level. at that depth there is almost NO LIGHT AT ALL. also where the heck did you even get that number? while you are correct that electrolysis is the easiest solution for acquiring oxygen you also ignored the fact that breathing a pure oxygen atmosphere is lethal given time and flammable as all hell. at that depth the atmosphere would be fairly highly pressurized and every time someone went for a smoke the whole city would go up like Apollo 1! they would need access to nitrogen and other gasses to make life possible.

Hey Andrew, you forgot to read "Rapture" the official Bioshock novel, which talks about how the buildings aren't crushed. If I remember, it was something like Titanium alloy frames inside the walls or something, but about 2-3 chapters into the novel, Andrew Ryan talks to Bill McDonagh about it.

What if the pressure were equalized between the inside and outside of the buildings, and the people descended and ascended slowly so not to get the bends?

He says "Then why don't we have rapture now?" And I'm just yelling at my screen PRESSURE

If we make a real life rapture.... I'm calling it Atlantis

That awkward moment he says it's not possible but The Game Theroist did the math and says it's completely possible.

geothermal energy is the super power generated when one takes a shit on a dead rabbit which is rare that is why geothermal energy is so rarely used

The buildings in rapture where built at that level adapted to the pressure being built that low made it possible for Ryan to make rapture

Damn it the second he said "would you kindly... click like on this video" I dropped what i was reading on comixology and clicked like. That Bioshock game freakin got me programmed!

well you could always increase pressure inside the buildings so it would be equal to pressure outside solving the crushing problem and yes, humans would be able to live in that conditions, just getting there would require long ride (to slowly adapt to higher pressure)

I CHOOSE to like this video! Great episode, but I have a couple of minor nitpicks: 1) Plants can be grown indoors with proper lighting, without sun. I'm willing to believe that the vines they use are so pervasive (think kudzu which doubles as food source, or jewelweed) that they needed to build a glass ceiling over the plant life to prevent it from getting into the electrical system. 2) I posit that the coordinates in the note are not the coordinates of Rapture, but the coordinates of when he should begin to open the package, and momentum could have carried him to the lighthouse, which itself is not directly above Rapture. Check the bathysphere's motion in the opening scene. So maybe Rapture is at a slightly higher point in the sea floor, and the amount of pressurization, while not able to completely stop the buildings from being affected, was enough to slow it down to a point where maintenance crews were just barely keeping up with the issues. Failure was inevitable but not immediate. Of course if someone who's much better at physics wants to prove me wrong, I'm all ears!

Great video you never know, there could be underwater cities that we don't know about. :O

Unrelated to this video, but something that I found interesting is that the "VIm! ambassadors" mentioned in Fallout 4's Far Harbor DLC may be inspired by the inspired by the unusual marketing of the Moxie Horsemobile which is used by the real life counterpart of Vim!, Moxie.

US navy subs uses Oxygen recyclers that can allow them stay underwater for as long as food supply last. Also you forget about UV lighting on plants can help trick them into making oxygen.

Pretty sure Game Theory solved the pressure problem

Aside from the obligatory triton remark, we can definitely build things capable of surviving high pressure. The problem is cost-effectiveness and installation. But yes, it wouldn't resemble skyscrapers at all.

A building that can withstand erosion and survive the pressure being that deep has already been created, Look up Richard Hammond's Engineering Connections, Super Rig. You can pour a continuous concrete pillar and have it hollowed out to withstand massive pressures. However this would look nothing like Rapture's building.

We're also getting close to the funnest part of Bioshock, the Plasmids. CRISPR Cas 9 can remove and replace sequences of DNA in a living organism. It may not give us the power to shoot lightning or fireballs but it has a good chance of reducing the human race to a a bunch a gibbering mutants...more than we already are anyways. Good news! It's also super cheap and easy! Also I think underwater habitats often use a helium based atmosphere, which probably would have undercut the tension in Rapture if everyone sounded like a cartoon chipmunk.

There's a glass that hardens under pressure you could create a dome and have the city built within it would just look vastly different

I thought the 1% were supposed to be smart and savvy with money. This is just a money pit and the costs would not be profitable. The cost of running the city underwater is insane and there are reasons we don't build underwater cities.