Hi ancient Lumatone

This layout is so amazing after understanding the explanation.

This is awesome! I am a trumpet player, but have always wanted to learn piano to improvise my compositions. I started to practice piano a few times, but could never get past the idea of learning so many chord combinations in so many keys and modes - such a huge learning curve. Later I found out about isomorphic keyboards, and am so glad I didn't invest so much time in the standard piano keyboard, when I could be using my time with a more logical layout to do interesting things. I would like to be a pro at this. The one thing I see as very important for a new keyboard like this to succeed is the pleasure of the tactile feel that piano keys have, and a good range of motion to strike or gently touch. There is a reason that the harpsichord died out, and why "piano" is short for pianoforte (soft and loud). It is a way to transmit your emotions while playing directly into the instrument (they don't call it the romantic period for nothing, when the emotional possibilities of the piano as a solo instrument really took off). For this reason I can't see the alternates that have been presented in the market so far (except the Janko) being feasible for musicians. Along this line of thought, I do think the idea of raised keys to feel around differences in height levels is a really cool idea. And please no clacking! All of the alternatives iso keyboards I see have an distracting offputting clacking sound when playing that gets in the way of the sound produced. Also, hopefully the keys are big enough to easily touch chords without cramping your hand. I see this as a limitation with the axis keyboards.

The lumatone is something you can buy now

I guess Lumatone is that concept as a final product?

Its a great idea but on your site it says they cost $10,000USD...

Siemen, this is a gorgeous presentation. Completely mind expanding. Wish you the best success in your Indiegogo campaign. (From a Uniform keyboard owner.) --William

Great video!

Only 19 days left for another $10000 to raise :/ I am totally gonna donate for the tip level keyboard and then hopefully get my grandma to donate for one too. She's been playing piano 70+ years and is blown away by revolutionary ideas like this. I hope this works out as i've wanted one of these for years since I first saw it on that Canadian site. I might cry if this doesn't work. Plz let there be at least one production run!!! I would love the mapping flexibility for microtonal stuff!

I want one soooo much

as a young musician, this is fascinating!

yea - finally - NEW Out of The Box thinking OTB. Or ancient thinking! well done...

I agree. The traditional piano keyboard is so wrong, which makes it only good for C-major! The Janko keyboard or this one, which is basically an upgrade of Janko keyboard is much more logical, mathematical and ergonomic!

Fantastic stuff! - if a little overwhelming for a music novice . .

t's certainly strange territory ....... being trained as a 7-5 keyboard player and experimenting with 6-6 (and guitar) you start to notice the different possibilities in harmony and melody and a difference despite the simplicity of "the bar chord" - All these systems work, they are just different!! Best regards; PaulPb

10:04 Terpstra. Ok but ftw there's no such a thing for sale anywhere and it's so expensive they haven't even filled their second batch's 20 pre-bought units. If only i could just make a ritual and get one that pops right in the middle of the altar.

We live in fast times! Like it or not, this Kbd layout will invariably become the Kbd of the future The change from the traditional irregular Kbd pattern to the regular Terpstra patterns will be initiated by modern, young hobby musicians, realizing that the potential of this layout: it offers the chance to acquire the skills of a Profi musician ten times faster!! With that a new generation of keyboard artists will arise and gradually replacing, the grossly, irregular zebra piano Kbd layout.

What is the name of the inſtrument ſeen in the bottom right coꝛner at 10:28 ?

(the 6-6 presents more options then the 2 level 7-5 - so this is where the confusion of learning the 3 or more level keyboard comes in - there is a different level of difficulty despite the 'sameness of fingering patterns')

Have you heard of the Lippens keyboard? They seem to have adapted your idea for their own purposes.

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I don't think the 7-5 will become obsolete because it is a system that obviously worked for certain people and a huge amount of literature has been written for that keyboard layout. Don't you think that if any of those composers (that are the 'godfathers' of piano based music) had a 6-6 keyboard on their organ/harpsichord/piano, would have composed music that was a lot different!?

For instance, there's no need for crossing hands anymore... or put up with irregular scale patterns, etc. It's just that those, who struggled a decade or more to acquire dexterity on a irregular, zebra piano Kbd layout, understandably refuse to give it all away by start again (almost) from zero! A. Rubinstein made it clearer by saying: "If I were to begin my career anew it would be on this keyboard!"

Where is the second part?

The great news is that modern technology is able to overcome all these traditional (and grossly outdated) obstacles ...on press of a button!

The accent make it 100 x more interesting.

Awesome! Is this keyboard available yet?

Thanks for the very informative and interesting video - Although let me correct 1 mistake - When he is explaining the basics of harmony on the 7-5 and 6-6 layout of the keyboard, he show examples of basic harmony on the 6-6 in only 2 rows that's wrong from the start, use 3 rows!!

I only wished they had a WYSIWYG with it... because interpreting conventional notation is a chore for hobby musicians.

Still not made yet?

For many years I used to play the piano accordion only in Cmaj and Amin. - Then I did the same with a couple of Synths, because they offered me changing scales electronically. I just couldn't be bothered to learn and keep practicing 22 more scales of Maj and Min and its countless chords! It seemed grossly illogical. At that time there still was no internet and so, I was kept in the dark about regular keyboards, such as Janko or button accordion keyboards.. At last, this regular patterned Terpstra Kbd layout offers us latent Kbd talents the chance to make it to the top, without 20 years of irregular scale dexterity! - If that's not progress... I don't know what is?

There are only 8 patterns for major, minor, diminished and augmented triads. not 48. Of these 48 triads, ten use white-black-white (D major, E major, A major, C minor, F minor, G minor, F dim, E aug, A aug, B aug), seven each use W-W-W, B-W-W, W-W-B, and B-W-B. Of the remaining ten chords, 4 use B-B-W, four use W-B-B, and two use B-B-B. Each of the groups - major, min, and aug - use just six of the possible eight patterns, with three chords sharing a pattern, three more sharing another pattern, a further three sharing a third pattern, and the remaining three chords having their own pattern Diminished chords still only use six of the possible eight patterns, but group together as 3, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1. The biggest advantage a tradition keyboard has is that it IS irregular. It's much easier to navigate by touch when you know which combination of lower-front-white keys and higher-back-black keys to expect. When I play piano accordion, the right hand is easy, but if I accidentally shift by just one button in the Stradella bass, it's a nightmare to get back. Even worse if I shift to the wrong row. It's the same for reading: lower-case is easier because it has more variation than upper case. Ever wonder why highway signs converted to lower case?

We have twelve notes, can we just switch from a-g to a-f (remove g and g sharp, and add b and e sharp) there's no reason to not do this, the only reason we go a-g is because of tradition and the fact we use the major scale. and it's stupid.

You can't do glissandos though.

This looks really interesting and certainly opens up amazing new tonal options. My objections to the philosophy presented are the following: 1) Considering the traditional piano is supposedly such a "bitch" to learn (they do have a point there); there STILL has been tons of amazing music written for it, and equally tons of amazing players executing it - making you forget how clumsy and limited the traditional piano is claimed to be by some in the first place. 2) I doubt that this keyboard design could ever achieve the same "ballistic" (for want of a better word) feel a traditional piano has - a quality that evens out the inherent imbalances of the human hand with fingers of different length and mass. 3) This is a purely electronic instrument by design. Many professional musicians would agree that electronics are not "there" (yet?) in terms of sonic richness and depth, immediacy and tangibility, dynamics, subtlety, "sit well in the mix" tonal quality etc. While electronics obviously open up vast tonal possibilities, they tend to tire the ear unlike acoustic instruments. 4) Being able to do just about anything (if only harmonically) on one instrument can be a trap. You can get lost in zillions of options and never get to the point in any single area. When working within a limited system, the interesting thing is to push it to the max and seemingly transcend its limited possibilities (which is exactly what has happened with traditional instruments of whichever design). You can ridiculously blow up a drum kit to be able to play tonally (think Terry Bozzio), but it is still just as fascinating (probably even more so) to watch a master drummer do their magic on a classic four piece jazz kit. Likewise, pencil drawings are not necessarily more boring than a full colour painting - monochromatic artwork can (at least sometimes) have even more impact than complex works. 5) There are many videos discussing and demo'ing exotic new controllers / keyboard layouts on KZfaq, but I have yet to see a SINGLE piece of music played DECENTLY on any of these (which would mean even, precise, balanced, dynamic). The playing is advanced medium level at best. Does that say something about the practicality of all those fancy new concepts? Since the invention of even much older concepts like the Jankó keyboard, most alternatives have managed to remain on the fringe of general music culture. From here, one could go into an epic discussion as to how limited "general music culture" or "mainstream" is and how much more artistically relevant (or paradoxically, not) exotic concepts are. 6) Bottom line is that I believe, while concepts like these can vastly extend the possibilities; they will probably never reach a level of general acceptance, and thus relevance, like a piano (or a violin, for that matter). Still it is probably worth checking out - if it does not cost an arm and a leg.

I agree that we need to upgrade the keyboard but I think the honeycomb is needlessly fat and hard to look at. Just round it out and make it more pleasing to look at. Also I think it's important to consider how to implement this with analog instruments instead of only electronic. Try to remember that the reason the old keyboard has been used so much is due to the strength of traditions. So utilizing that to your advantage, if you just make this LOOK more traditional then you will make a bigger impact.

This is so exciting but I’ll just stick to guitar. It basically achieves the same thing

Instaboner

just get a harpejji lol

Me too 70+... and living in poor Chile. Please buy me one of these, too! :) If you don't I will become a drug addict, attack rich people and feed them to the poor.

Play something on it before claiming that it is better.

Interesting concept (basically a Janko) but on the few videos where someone plays it, it sounds terrible. Like a cheap synthetizer. It sounds like you completely removed the subtile amplitude variations of weighted notes from a regular piano, basically killing any piano music that has ever been made. While also removing its natural sound. In the end, it's just a toy for electronic music. And for what price ? quoting your site : "If commercially available, the keyboard would cost more than $10K USD"

Pianos are just fine dude. Chill.

So many concert techniques wouldn't work on this.

Talk about trying to reinvent the wheel.

Are people really having trouble remembering triads???? You'll know the triad if you know the scale..... if you don't know the scale then your not practicing

Your accent is hillarious

Чушь собачья! Попытка превратить "клавиши" в такой же шаблонный инструмент как и гитара.