The Theory of Editing
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►Thelma Schoonmaker interview - • Wolf of Wall Street's ...
►Hitchcock on Tension - • Alfred Hitchcock On Ma...
►Murch on the Rule of 6 - • Walter Murch: On Editing
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» 0:00 - Intro
» 0:52 - Editing challenge
» 2:13 - Thelma Schoonmaker on Goodfellas
» 3:15 - Kuleshov effect
» 5:27 - Hitchcock on tension
» 7:13 - Walter Murch Rule of 6
» 9:51 - My mistake
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@ryanworkman3032 2 жыл бұрын
one of My favorite idioms: "you make a movie three times...the one you write, the one you shoot, and the one you edit."
@DigitalGus75 2 жыл бұрын
I like that!
@MarkaveliRises 3 ай бұрын
So real💯
@FarhanKamdar 2 жыл бұрын
I forgot who I heard say this but it goes: “Production is the price you pay to get to the editing room”
@pilkfilms 2 жыл бұрын
NEVER EDIT WHEN: •Tired •Frustrated •Sick •At war with a headache •Drunk •On a date •When a film riot episode drops (simply pause and watch the video, then continue) Did I miss any?
@NLENinjaEffects 2 жыл бұрын
Well then…when do I edit lol?
@MikeeHollMartz 2 жыл бұрын
You’re gonna get me fired with those suggestions. 😆
@pilkfilms 2 жыл бұрын
@@NLENinjaEffects there’s actually quite the amount missing from this list, it can’t be that tight of a squeeze.
@pavelstolypin 2 жыл бұрын
you can break all rules except last one ;)
@pilkfilms 2 жыл бұрын
@@pavelstolypin honestly why have rules if they’d never be broken anyways 🤷♂️
@gravemarker 2 жыл бұрын
You cannot break the rules in a meaningful, artistic way until you know the rules.
@corpsefoot758 2 жыл бұрын
Amen. If you do it on accident, then it’s just an … accident lol
@dyfx9788 2 жыл бұрын
Thats what i am trying ti tell my anime weeb friend. She goes straight for anime characters and it looks so wack. The chins is too high the neck is too long the head is tio small the shading is bad the stylization looks off the eyes are too big the head orientation looks like he got kicked by a cat and fell into a river and a boat ran over the neck and it just looks, b a d
@robynwilson9227 2 жыл бұрын
@@dyfx9788 leave her be, let her hone her own skills. We all have to start somewhere. When i was starting out for years i was drawing horrendously bad anime and powerpuff girls. But now i can draw pretty damn well, different styles different characters all of it. Let her develop her skills in her own time in her own way without judgement (or going on the internet to diss her art and call her a weeb). I had friends like you back then, im not in contact with them anymore. Exactly for the reason that they were always pushing me or judging me, silently or verbally. And it didnt help me get better, it just hurt my feelings. Their job was to be my friend, not my art teacher. She may not even be drawing to imrpove her skills, you dont have to be good at something to enjoy doing it. Focus on being kind to her, not trying to guide her skills 💕
@dyfx9788 2 жыл бұрын
@@robynwilson9227 well i would agree but the problen is she always seeks advice and feedback. And wheb she does we all give feedback but she gets offended when we give feedback. So we have just resorted to saying "thats great" and by we i mean the entire class
@dyfx9788 2 жыл бұрын
Whats the point of seeking advice when at the end you are jist going to ignore it Also ps She also calls herself a weeb so its no biggie
@matiashamalainen 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos teach a whole generation of filmmakers who don’t necessarily have the possibility to go to a filmschool but still want to make videos. The world already has so much more better movies, thanks to you! :D Keep it up.
@filmriot 2 жыл бұрын
This comment means a lot to us. Thank you so much!
@totallybored5526 2 жыл бұрын
There hasn’t been a good film in a couple of decades
@amirhaveryt 2 жыл бұрын
@@totallybored5526 I don't necessarily agree in the sense that there hasn't been a good film in the past couple of decades. There have been good films, but non of them really made me go "wow".
@FarhanKamdar 2 жыл бұрын
A great example of using the kuleshov effect against the audience for tension is in silence of the lambs when cutting between the officers outside a house and cutting to inside of Buffalo bills house. The reveal that it’s clarice is something I wish I could see for the first time again. So good.
@filmriot 2 жыл бұрын
That's a great one.
@ItsBourbonNight 2 жыл бұрын
Love how you put it all out there and aren't afraid to point out when you missed the mark in one of your short films. It's very impactful for those watching and super helpful. Bravo!
@mtskogs 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Love the transparency and willingness of Ryan to critique his own work and share the lessons he's learned throughout his journey.
@CinecomCrew 2 жыл бұрын
Great video guys ! Editing is so crazy important, I love knowing how I’ll be editing the shot while I’m shooting the shot.
@kgtothea 2 жыл бұрын
Boss, your videos too are dope Love you guys.
@norehearsalsproductions 2 жыл бұрын
This is Sidney, I love shooting the shot as I'm thinking of the editing style 😂
@zanelechonco71 2 жыл бұрын
Yaaayyy cinecom!!!
@DehinorVargas 2 жыл бұрын
I just imagined what a meeting with Alfred Hitchcock could feel like, he could teach you in a entire day more about movies than in your entire career!!
@kthx1138 7 ай бұрын
I like Hitchcock's story of the bomb under the table. By showing the bomb, any shock when the bomb goes off is gone, but there's a hell of a lot of suspense leading up to the bomb going off.
@WHITEPERSUAS1ON 2 жыл бұрын
Using that example of where your eyes are and your short film was really good.
@Mon_FX 2 жыл бұрын
Most important advice really is " Write. Shoot. Edit. Repeat. ", because at some point all those tips and theories become second nature to you and you don't think of them. But when reviewing your work, you notice you're including them or at least thinking about them in some way. You don't think " I'll do the 180 rule here becase this and that ", you think " I'll put the camera here because that's where it should go. That's where it feels like it should be. "
@moewe040 2 жыл бұрын
There is a great episode from "Every Frame A Painting" (sadly their channel is discontinued) but the episode "How does an editor feel" is so good. Sometimes not making a cut is a good thing. Loved this Riot episode!
@rijin9460 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much man for recommending that channel
@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abdjmKyFqJaVdps.html looks interesting
@cttp 2 жыл бұрын
Always happy to see conversations around the editing artform. Cheers, Ryan!
@MoviesRemastered 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I honestly can't get enough of different editing perspectives like this. Great content.
@BayouJosh 2 жыл бұрын
I am binge watching your channel right now. this is undoubtable the best source on KZfaq right now. Magnificent.
@matthewk8279 2 жыл бұрын
So excited for this!! Love your videos :)
@scartinmorsese7723 2 жыл бұрын
I actually like the cut you used for There Comes a Knocking. My eye traces to the other side of the screen for a tiny moment of realization. It makes the moment feel like I found the visual info in contrast to having it handed to me.
@MUSAVISUALMEDIA 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for putting this video together. Clear, concise, informative, great context too. Instant follow!
@jacksuttonfilms 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan, thank you, thank you, thank you for talking about your mistakes when on your own filmmaking journey. I love your honesty and authenticity, cheers!
@alexusyoung629 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video as it puts it into perspective and lining up all the pieces of the film into superb compositions and dynamics that make it your own.
@ronin7entertainment884 2 жыл бұрын
Always premium content from your crew. Greatly appreciate all of the hard work. Salud.
@DemasiadamenteStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. I've learned a lot from you, Ryan. Thanks a lot man.
@wagnerteixeiradeaguiar 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man, that's pure gold... Thanks Ryan!
@not.edited6342 2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou this video was really great, loved to see examples alongside your explanations
@ChristopherCopeland 2 жыл бұрын
I've never been so aware of each syllable in the word "Editing" before.
@Pietras_ky 2 жыл бұрын
regarding your "mistake" - I would argue that it's beneficial in a way. In my opinion, its scarier to first see something in the corner of your eye rather than have it pop in front of you.
@manart6506 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree to this. I guess it just comes to preference of what was the intention. I do believe that in horror watching the scary thing in the corner of the view of attention works often. Though of course sometimes confronting suddenly an unexpected image can be scary even if it isn’t (we all have been had that kind of scare by someone walking in front of us all of the sudden).
@MichaelSeneschal 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing that this content is free. Fantastic. Been a fan since Rev3. 👍
@ginotarabotto 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Thank you for putting together. Learned a lot.
@artuncansinors7358 2 жыл бұрын
Great job, super clean and direct information.
@olukz2529 2 жыл бұрын
awesome content. these editing tips are gold
@kairukukirin 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It's nice to put terms to the things I'm learning.
@naeemulhoque1777 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You Ryan, this was some really useful tips within a 10 minutes video ❤
@cineblazer 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great video! Thanks for democratizing filmmaking education -- I don't know if I'd be a filmmaker today if I hadn't grown up watching your videos Ryan. To you, Josh, Emily -- the whole gang -- thank you!
@PrimalEdge 2 жыл бұрын
I fucking love the videos you guys produce. I always learn so much!
@filmriot 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@Keith300D 2 жыл бұрын
MY goodness. This is GOLD! TY!!
@julian_heuschneider 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the awesome content!
@grandlangue 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent resource. Just keep getting better and better 😜
@artlist_io 2 жыл бұрын
Editing is truly an art form. Really great video, with some super important tips for anyone who joins the #AGeditchallenge 💛
@DethronerX 2 жыл бұрын
Very important stuff here. Thank you!
@JaspreetSinghArtist 2 жыл бұрын
great content as always.
@darwindepena4903 2 жыл бұрын
I always learn everything from you sir ryan. From the philippines, its so useful as a filmmaker student❤️
@ayeeeck4512 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️
@gregjones7196 2 жыл бұрын
This is where the film is really made! Often, what comes out of the editing room can be different than what what was first envisioned. In editing, you get to see what really does and does not work.
@JayneNicoletti 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. As an actor I never took it to heart if a scene got cut. It may not have been the performance at all.
@UsamaMahmoudSultan 2 жыл бұрын
Wow ... so much information this is gold
@tommymarshall6893 2 жыл бұрын
I really love film riot but one thing I would really love to hear about that many people don’t teach is how to actually find financing for a film. It is such a private topic that I wish would be explored, especially by the lovely film riot!
@nightmarefilmcrew 2 жыл бұрын
They dive into this quite a bit with a few different people. Check out the podcast and you’ll find some really helpful information about getting films off the ground. There’s always a different pathway and there’s for sure not one specific way to get your movie financed, but they’ve had plenty of new directors talking about how they got their films made.
@tommymarshall6893 2 жыл бұрын
@@nightmarefilmcrew well I completely understand but I would like a deep dive into it. Like going through a screenplay and figuring out numbers to even make a budget. Then how do you present that to a potential investor. What resources are out there to assist in this? I understand that it is not a one way thing but I know very little in this very important topic
@wallywah222 2 жыл бұрын
I love you Ryan, I literally make a living because of you!
@jamesandjye 2 жыл бұрын
Great video mate, learnt a tonne 👊
@yuliasprenger9380 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you !!!
@PrimedProductions 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks!
@daniel_wilkinson 2 жыл бұрын
I got the email for the contest yesterday. I expect to not win but I'm definitely going to enter for the experience and I have an idea in marinating. I am really addicted to the feeling when the edit just... works.
@brandonjacksoon 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you dude!
@MikeeHollMartz 2 жыл бұрын
I love your t-shirt as much as I love that movie! 🙌🏻
@reecesmith567 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a video! Amazing! :)
@OtisBlanch 10 ай бұрын
this was so gooood!
@topicruben 2 жыл бұрын
I feel anger cause the video finished! Thank you so much, man. You’re a school, a good one! Currently preparing to shoot a short film, so this comes from heaven! 🙏
@ArizonaGhostriders 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see Hitchcok and the theories of other editors.
@alphadarling 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you much learned from this video. Learned one of my cuts in a project is breaking the 180 rule. Thank you 😌
@manart6506 2 жыл бұрын
10:00 I’m not sure about what it is better. I think some times you want the audience searching for the next focus point, so they are part of the action instead of “lazy viewers”. In horror you sometimes want for sure the audience to watch something but maybe you want that they “almost miss it”/“what was that”/“wait, there is something in the other side of the screen”.
@filmriot 2 жыл бұрын
If the intent is to have your audience search the screen, then yes. But that's the idea behind it all, doing these things (or not) for purposeful, instead of accidental, end results. With Fury Road, it's not a lazy viewer thing, I don't think it ever is... But in that case specifically - the rate at which he wanted to cut required facilitating the audience to absorb information quickly. It's just a matter of understanding how the brain works and utilizing that to tell your story. The goal is to use craft to tell your story with intention.
@manart6506 2 жыл бұрын
@@filmriot yeah I think it makes sense in Fury road but I think breaking a rule of keeping the focus in one place pays off, though it has be done carefully. It’s a good scene but in other action sequences you can make travel where the focus point is, it is just has to be done within the shot and keep it during the cut, no jumps between cuts so people can follow focus even it if it moves from one place in the screen to the other… I feel that way can make the audience feel part of the action while not losing their view. I’m pro it being a little less passive.
@manart6506 2 жыл бұрын
@@filmriot a very interesting IMO use for keeping the focus in one spot during one sequence I imagine is to hide something else happenings that will be revealed later but we want to give audience a chance to maybe figure it out sooner.
@armando.visuals 2 жыл бұрын
This contest is exciting!
@guymanperson1 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing, I’ve never thought about anything like this. I’m new to it. Now I’m gonna go watch a history of violence again and pay attention to the cuts.
@willcutu 2 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful. Thanks.
@musicwe4143 2 жыл бұрын
About the contest, it just hit my mind that artgrid and artlist is maybe holding the contest to get a look at workflow breakdowns and editing outputs of different editors because maybe they are working on an artificial intelligence and they need data input variance to feed this new beast
@genevievedisemelo5584 7 ай бұрын
this is becoming so real rn
@Thomas_of_the_forest 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh sweet, I might give that competition a go :)
@songwriterxandtheskeletonband 2 жыл бұрын
love it!
@smartsmith325 2 жыл бұрын
It's more like living your life easier than digging the ground looking for gold and silver . I love editing guys and shout out to Rayn and everyone out there.
@DanielTuriman 2 жыл бұрын
thanks, hope we will try it.
@jgvbadv 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this! I have video editing job interview in few days, this should help me :)
@HariBrosPictures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for describing the contest
@SammyBFilms 2 жыл бұрын
I like what you did with the title. ;-)
@venox314 2 жыл бұрын
Greatly said!
@SpookyCreepyJay 2 жыл бұрын
Love this
@robertper4102 Жыл бұрын
The job of a film director is to tell the story through the juxtaposition of uninflected images. -David Mamet
@strawcurry92 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it that you use your own short film as an example to show the mistake that youve done
@VishwaJay 2 жыл бұрын
So very glad for the Hawking reference. And... wow, I so need to grab editing software, lol.
@tharindafilms5528 2 жыл бұрын
Thank youu very much....
@baptistoriginals 2 жыл бұрын
Don't know how i missed this one but great video! I live in the DFW area, if ya'll ever need PAs please lemme know!
@acdi33 2 жыл бұрын
Betcha Walter Murch's Rule of 6 is on this.
@carljoseph507 2 жыл бұрын
It's been a while!
@wilwilson8146 2 жыл бұрын
The best editor ever is that lady from "Hail, Caesar"
@nybcp 2 жыл бұрын
Just: YES!
@crystigriffon 8 ай бұрын
One of my favorites channel can give easier informations that you might take years to learn it ❤
@dannyganelin9777 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this video on September 22nd is a massive bummer lol.
@bauerfilms4832 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you guys do a bit on 1980's slasher style practical gore fx
@RACineFilmagensFotos 2 жыл бұрын
Mto bom!
@leonardorafaelvideos8020 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen your short yet, so there's no context in terms of story, rythm or sound when you showed that last shot of the ghost. But from what I saw, I think it's actually scarier if the audience doesn't immediately see the ghost. I think it's creepier if you get that half a second of "Oh shit, I didn't see that!", so I like the way you shot and edited that scare. That being said, I haven't seen the movie so the only context I have is the clip you showed here.
@melissasalasblair5273 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much 🎩👒🎞️
@aravinda432 Жыл бұрын
understood the editing today
@abdulelahhzazzi3883 2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@SwardPlay 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should try doing a short film with "Corridor Digital" would be cool to see a collab.
@bzakie2 2 ай бұрын
Yes but David Lean said that if you want to shock an audience, get them almost to the point of boredom before you do. Hence Omar Sharif’s arrival at the well.
@armando.visuals 2 жыл бұрын
Those film burns you use for transitions. Are they in Artgrid?.
@jeffr7752 2 жыл бұрын
What movie is the clip from that's shown at 7:19?
@Florijan2 6 ай бұрын
Music name in the begining of the and at 2:12? Please
@MiDaY_i 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't be a coincidence that i was skimming thru their sites for hours looking for a concept and got a terrible headachce because i was at war of what should take the lead...Good music then ideas after or initial ideas and looking for the music to match....Currently trying to finish a job, try out for a sidemen editing contest to seeif i can win twice in a row and also attempt this artgridXartlist one and its driving me crazy😭😂
@michaelmongillo1237 Жыл бұрын
What kind of computer would I need to do this ?
@aravinda432 Жыл бұрын
love u
@brunorodriguezb.957 Жыл бұрын
where can I see the winners?
@LEON_R4 Жыл бұрын
How can I start editing? I literally don’t know anything about it.
@wallywah222 2 жыл бұрын
The ending sounds like Turnaround by Gemini for a sec
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