The Three Fundamentals In Learning Music (The Third Is Always Forgotten)

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Күн бұрын

When we learn an instrument, things often go right or wrong relatively early in the journey. However, our understanding of why this happens is usually poor. In this video, Jakob Schmidt explores the most misunderstood and ignored challenge of learning: How we fail to activate our reward system.
All music in video performed by Stephanie Jones & Jakob Schmidt.
Who inspired this video:
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00:00 Intro
00:37 Is It Just Talent?
03:14 A Dog Thought
06:31 Rewards Are Not Optional
09:38 Punishment & Discipline
12:00 An Inspiring Method
14:35 Outro
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@matthewjamestaylor Ай бұрын

I spent 30 years consulting with schools on how to build effective learning environments, and seeing another video on learning/teaching/pedagogy made me anticipate disaster, but . . . hold on . . . this was awesome!!! So many teachers fail to realize the power of praise/reward because of Kohn's terrible book title (Punished by Rewards - but, if you get to the end of that book you find out that he disagrees with his title - sort of). You went further and described attributes of praise/reward that make it instructional. My colleagues and I used slightly different attributes, but the idea was the same. When praise is timely, specific, contingent, and sincere it becomes instructive. It's also helpful (necessary) for the relationship between instructor and student to be pleasing and based on trust and esteem. Importantly, praise works ONLY when the student perceives it as such. Intent doesn't matter. Just like sincerity, praise is only sincere when the student feels it as sincere. Your suggestions on how to insert reward into the natural feedback process is clever. Congrats on a great video. Cheers.

@tonebase Ай бұрын

Yes, 100% agreed to all of this! We need to take our students seriously, no matter if they're children or adults. I'm really glad to hear a confirmation on this from outside the music pedagogy bubble. -Jakob

@makemusichere 14 күн бұрын

Playing music that is intrinsically motivating to the student can be the best long term reward!

@l.a.s8274 Ай бұрын

Very nice video. I was wondering why i've been so happy with my practice ultimately, i think the reason is that i stopped to punish myself every time i commit an error.

@sonofoneintheuniverse 22 күн бұрын

Interesting video even for a non-musician (have a deep interest for the arts). Was into teatching. Was not the greatest teatcher but my students got top results. The key was probably lots of hard work to create a positive and stimulating learning environment. No need for punishment as we all get embarrased by failure...

@hugo5carvalho Ай бұрын

Thanks for this amazing video, Jakob. My guitar learning method was very frustrating and punishing, both by my father and my first teachers. I was constantly scared of making mistakes, which stopped me from trying to get out of my comfort zone. Nowadays I'm a math professor, researching relations between music and mathematics, and I completely understand the feeling of your father, since my teaching methods with my math students is the complete opposite of my guitar learning method. Your video is very necessary, not just to music teachers but for every educator. Also, very cute dog!

@migueljesus4833 29 күн бұрын

I absolutely love this video. I often struggle with both learning and teaching, not really sure of the path to making and teaching music without second guessing myself all the time. This video opens a door I really needed. Thank you!

@mer1red Ай бұрын

To avoid disappointment, let's be realistic. Tricks such as rewards may help, but not always. Talent does matter. Parts of what talent means are indeed undefined, but others not. Let's say talent means the mental and physical ability to learn and do something with a minimal effort and achieve excellent results, which is partly innate. Not everyone has the same IQ. Result: some are stronger in math. Regarding the playing of an instrument. This has some similarities with sports. We all do not have the same maximum achievable degree of neuromuscular control. If you simply cannot play the next note or chord fast enough because of that, a reward will never help. In that case, stubbornly continuing to practice for years without making any progress is futile. We have to live with our limits.

@tonebase Ай бұрын

Understanding that rewards are not optional solves this issue, too. If a student's fundamentally unable to experience this, they can now make a well-informed decision to let go of the instrument, rather than thinking that even more strain and effort will help. However, in my experience it's often the case that students don't understand what they need to look for and teachers are unable or unwilling to show them. Thanks for your comment! -Jakob

@Toffinui Ай бұрын

Great Video! Very interesting and important topic!

@RobertFleitz Ай бұрын

Amazing video! This is so cool and I’m excited to try thinking about this more in my own practice. I loved your music selections too.

@BorisBidjanSaberi11 5 күн бұрын

Whats the song in the background for the intro?

@pedrodias5166 Ай бұрын

I think if there is a reward to be had, it's like you say, it should be related to the pratice itself, not something extrinsic, I do however contest the ideas of reward and punishment itself, I think they are part of the same game which is connected to the old ideas of classical conditioning... I think that the true reward should be in the process itself, learning and discovering the instrument, so I guess the point is to suggest that the reward is in the process itself, not a end goal (in my view...). As simple as helping them love the process of learning the instrument. So I guess we reach similar conclusions through different means 😉 I do think it's very inspiring that your dad decided to do the opposite of his teacher, in a culture where we so often perpetuate the things we disliked about our former teachers, as if it's the "normal thing to do", because "we learned that way".

@user-ee7vz9ey2x Ай бұрын

I loved this video. I can't wait to try to use it in my own practice.

@nijwmzen29 26 күн бұрын

Hi Jakub, thanks for this video. Keep them coming. They're truly inspiring and insightful. I've been a tonebase member for a year, and I can't recommend it highly enough. As someone without a one to one teacher, I've learned enormously from the best of the best in tonebase.

@Biensche-3566 Ай бұрын

This is a really great, very inspiring and helpful video! Thank you very much for the food for thought 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻! I wish I had had the maturity in my younger years to be patient with myself and not despise myself for every little mistake! I guess that would have saved me a lot of painful, rocky detours...

@miprofe3095 Ай бұрын

A thoughtful analysis but it might give the impression that guitar technique is well understood when at present it is not. Greatly improved practice habits are tending to conceal this fact. Stimulating the student to solve problems is a partial, if not ideal, solution, even if the teacher himself or herself may not know the answer!

@tonebase Ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment! As stated, this is only one part of the equation, that's true! In my experience, it's the most poorly understood and usually ignored issue, and without it we're just as helpless as we would be without technical knowledge. -Jakob

@marcelo.cau. Ай бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@MethenySco 29 күн бұрын

Be an obsessive perfectionist and repeat every mediocre passage 1 million times until it becomes like breathing, question every decision you make, never take any movement for granted, don't expect or crave to get much better, constantly try to replicate the sounds of your idols....Parkening apparently spent one week working on his thumb trying to get the same sound as Segovia...Sound fun? Normal people don't do this.

@DebbieBarrette Ай бұрын

Darn, I thought the reward was going to be chocolate! Just kidding 😉 Great video 👍

@TheCompleteGuitarist Ай бұрын

Music is a language, eminates from the same part of the brain that generates language and should be taught like a language only ...... generally speaking second language teaching around the world is 99.99% done wrong (I am a music and language teacher). Music should be taught or rather acquired much the same way we acquire our native language. There is musical pedagogy that sought to address this, such as Kodaly Dalcroze and Suzuki (Hindemith and Orff included). We teach music generally by expecting students to read music first and play after but what we need to do is start with sound, the ear and if possible the voice so that learners get grounded in the actual language of music before having to learn to read and write it, much the same with native language. This is how I try to teach and I have a lot more success turning "problematic" students into performers, than when I tried more "traditional" approaches.

@Yann-wu3fk 26 күн бұрын

⬆️Complete and utter nonsense, contrary to actual findings in neuroscience.

@Curmudgeon1685 Ай бұрын

1) Basic talent and proclivity for music. 2) Willingness to practice. 3) A good teacher. 4) Supportive family. Replace music with any other activities such as mathematics, sports, Chess, etc. Undeserving praise(reward) is the fastest way to mediocrity.

@jamesrogers5277 26 күн бұрын

Oh dear - half way through I gave up. I suspect something clever is going on but I have no real concrete view on what it is or how to apply it and I realise too that that constant background guitar is distracting and increasingly irritating. Or is that sonic wallpaper (trouble for me - I know the guitar) part of the subliminality of your fluent and breathless message? Hohum.. I sometimes think we guitarists are too clever by half (well excepting me, evidently…)!

@jamesrogers5277 26 күн бұрын

Try again, James you poor sap - try harder! Put it to half speed… pause to let it all sink in. What?? You just can’t be bothered?? Och, go bile yer heed, you wretched wee slowloris…

@syntaxlost9239 Ай бұрын

With all due respect, most of what was presented here is pseudoscience. All that's actually supported in evidence is try to get sufficient sleep and if you want to get above the lowest levels, get sufficient practice time in.

@tonebase Ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment! I'm a musician, not a scientist, but pseudoscience would claim untestable things, which I didn't. You can test these thoughts very easily, so feel free to try it for yourself! -Jakob

@syntaxlost9239 Ай бұрын

@@tonebase Hi Jacob, Thank you for your reply. So, with appreciation that you're a musical educator and science isn't so much your area of expertise, I just wanted to clarify one of the misunderstandings I noticed in your reply. With regards to pseudoscience being categorically untestable, that's not entirely accurate. Homeopathy is very well established as being pseudoscientific but you can very easily purchase homeopathic "remedies" in Germany and try them yourself. More so, there are certainly many people who claim efficacy of homeopathic compounds as there is a very viable commercial market for them. So clearly, pseudoscientific claims are still testable. Furthermore, self-reported claims of efficacy aren't the best metric for measuring validity. While I appreciate Tonebase is a commercial entity with expenses, salaries and market pressures, I would encourage you to take a more grounded approach to your educational methods. It's both better for the long-term relationship between your customers and music by setting a more reasonable expectation and would give you more confidence as an educator when your methods have better support in literature.

@dougthompson8226 13 күн бұрын

The thing I can`t stand about the plethora of self proclaimed experts out there today is they can`t just get to the point...in this case state what these three things are...then maybe elaborate..instead a lot of subjective bullshit...at least here we`re not asked for MUF...money up front...instead it`s just listen to me I have the ultimate answer to learning in music...I still don`t know what it is and if I could get all the way through to the end of the video I`ll probably be asked for money...want to know why John Coltrane was good ? He practiced a lot.

@tonebase 13 күн бұрын

There's plenty of actionable, objective and well-tested advice in the video, and there's plenty of people who practice as much as or even more than the greats without getting anywhere. It's not as easy as just putting in the hours and the video is exactly about that, nothing more. Hope that helps!

@dougthompson8226 13 күн бұрын

@@tonebase except that you start with 3 main points then take forever to say what they are