The Tool I Get The Most Negative Feedback On And Still Use Weekly

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Klein Tools NCVT-3P - amzn.to/3yYjzh8
I have used a Non-Contact Voltage Tester for years as my most common method for checking if a circuit has power prior to starting any electrical projects. The flexibility, size, and convenience have kept this in my normal rotation and wins out over my outlet tester and Digital Multimeter for most uses. There has been plenty of negative feedback over the years and out of the hundreds of commons I have pulled out 3 points that are worth considering when you are determining the right tool for your job.
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:26 Issue 1: False Positives
3:10 Issue 2: False Negative
5:15 Issue 3: Improper Use
7:15 Why I Choose a Non-Contact Voltage Tester
8:30 What is the Best Non-Contact Voltage Tester
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@bretgreen5314
@bretgreen5314 2 жыл бұрын
Master electrician here. Personally I use the NCV tester. Even still I always treat every wire as a live wire, yes even when hooking up devices. It's a good skill to master. When disconnecting wires from a device: hot, neutral then ground. When connecting: ground, neutral then hot. Be careful and be safe.
@ethelryan257
@ethelryan257 2 жыл бұрын
100% correct.
@georgedavall9449
@georgedavall9449 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent comment!
@denisbannan6875
@denisbannan6875 2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou. My father, an A-grade Electrician with the State Electricity Commission, practiced the same procedure- treat every wire as live and used same sequences
@plantingseedsproductions4195
@plantingseedsproductions4195 2 жыл бұрын
Hot ...First to break....Last to make
@Max-ko5hi
@Max-ko5hi 2 жыл бұрын
I use the NCV only for finding out, more or less, wehre the wire went and stuff.
@cryptocrypto7738
@cryptocrypto7738 2 жыл бұрын
Master Electrician here. The pen tester is a great tool for most applications. It uses induction to detect a live wire. However, because it relies on induction it will not detect voltage stored in capacitors. Please use responsibly and always discharge your capacitors.
@jc40337
@jc40337 2 жыл бұрын
Are you sure it doesn't use capacitance to detect voltage? If it was using inductance, there would have to be some current flowing to get the sensor to work. The reason it doesn't work on capacitors is because the stored voltage is DC, whereas these testers only work on AC voltages.
@GuyFromJupiter
@GuyFromJupiter 2 жыл бұрын
Actually I think they are more capacitive in nature, measuring the strength of the electric field. They still mostly just work on AC though.
@bigkirbyhj666
@bigkirbyhj666 Жыл бұрын
From my instructors with decades of experience telling me yeah get the dummy stick, with the only job is saying there is voltage. But sometimes that is all that's needed. And yes it runs on inductance, capacitance just refers to a material ability to store energy, while inductance is the emf generated from the voltage shifting polarities.
@nelson2231
@nelson2231 Жыл бұрын
@@jc40337 You are correct, from Fluke: Non-contact voltage testers work by sensing a very small amount of current that is capacitively coupled from the live circuit to the tester and back to ground. Non-contact voltage testers light up when they detect this current without needing to make direct contact. A built-in sensor at the tip of the tester detects the presence of voltage when touching a conductor, outlet, or supply cord. By holding the tool, you are the ground reference through capacitive coupling. When the tip glows red and the unit beeps, you know voltage is present.
@Dan-xe4ec
@Dan-xe4ec 2 жыл бұрын
My step-father is a licensed electrician and uses the non-contact voltage tester daily and has taught me to use it as well. We had an instance in our home in which a 220V outlet was installed but was not connected to a 2-pull breaker. So one breaker was shut off, but the outlet was still powered from the second breaker. When I used the multimeter, it showed zero voltage but the non-contact was still going off. This allowed me to re-test with the multimeter from the hot to the ground where I found the 120V. While this is a specific case, the non-contact tester provided enough of a back-up for me to re-think what I was doing before disassembling the outlet. There are always pluses and minuses to every tool, but I agree that it is a great tool especially since it is so easy to carry with you. Thanks for all the great videos.
@feelingtardy
@feelingtardy 2 жыл бұрын
just about every professional electrician i know carries one
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Great example, thanks for the feedback Dan.
@konradpetz7317
@konradpetz7317 2 жыл бұрын
You then did not know how to test properly. Test hot to hot. Then both hots to neutral then both hots to ground. Always test to ground.
@spencerwyche2552
@spencerwyche2552 2 жыл бұрын
2 pole,not pull.
@2manycatsforadime
@2manycatsforadime 2 жыл бұрын
I am a 35 year licensed general contractor. one thing I have learned is to never trust an electrical system when going into a job, some of the home owner work can be a nightmare. Be careful. I use the Klein and it is just fine.
@raven_glass
@raven_glass 2 жыл бұрын
Avoid false negatives by checking every time on a known live circuit, such as a lit bulb. EVERY TIME immediately before/after. NCV testers are great for quick checks but do not replace a multimeter, best to have both.
@daveoatway6126
@daveoatway6126 2 жыл бұрын
I was a safety officer at an military hospital in 1980. I used a early version of the non-contact voltage tester on inspections. I was shocked on an inspection in the waiting room of the obstetrics department. I got indication on a metal table. There was a TV on the table, right next to a sink with metal fixtures. I unplugged the TV and called the engineers. It turned out that a plywood plate was screwed into the chasis of the TV. The screw went through the protective plastic case of the TV to the hot chasis of the TV. That experience made me a believer in the technology. We may have saved a life (or two!) . I am happy to have false positives! I have given the tool to my son and son-in-law. Excellent video
@TheFunnyCarpenter
@TheFunnyCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
After I got the shock of a lifetime I always use my tick tester 3 or 4 times before I handle wires! Good tip on testing the unit on a known live circuit, that’s one I always do.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Some guys are just meant to stick with carpentry 😂
@djcanfield1
@djcanfield1 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, I have been shocked countless times because I frequently don't use anything... But unless I'm standing in water or sticking the bare wires in my mouth, I just don't worry that much about being shocked by 120 volts. I'm more worried about jacking up my tools with a dead short, and I have the burnt wire cutters to show for that too. I don't recommend others follow my practice, but I suspect that a lot of people do. When I'm dealing with 220 V or God forbid 480 V I suddenly become my own safety Karen.
@TheFunnyCarpenter
@TheFunnyCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
@@djcanfield1 I’ve been shocked a few times, and usually not a big deal but one time I was taking a wire I thought was off out of a metal round box…holy crap that was a shock!!! I ended up throwing the metal box across a bedroom and made a big hole in the drywall…ever since then I have flash backs when I work with wires😂
@TheFunnyCarpenter
@TheFunnyCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs gotta tell you about the time I wired an entire house in Mexico… nervous times when we hooked the power😅
@rayray8687
@rayray8687 2 жыл бұрын
@@djcanfield1: No rudeness intended but if you are burning your tools and have lost count of the number of times you’ve been shocked it would probably be best if you didn’t work on electrical circuits at all, let alone high voltages, or at the very minimum buy properly insulated tools and study up on ‘best practices’ techniques, as I suspect you are probably doing some poor wiring as well. As a long-time renovation contractor I’ve seen more bad and unsafe ‘handyman’ wiring projects than I care to remember - some of them just plain dangerous - all through lack of knowledge or poor workmanship. Maretted and taped wires buried in attic insulation with no J-box, kitchen outlets with the ground wires left off, wires run through door jambs to save a foot or two of wire, bathroom outlets with no GFCI protection, un-split kitchen duplexes on a 15amp circuit, J-boxes buried behind ceilings and walls, aluminum wiring attached to non-approved devices, boxes stuffed beyond safe capacity, unprotected surface wiring, 14g wire used on 20amp circuits, on and on and on - this is what I see every day. There are homeowner/handyman guides readily available everywhere, written by qualified electrical engineers and often fairly specific to your general area and code requirements. Please buy one.
@g42wilson
@g42wilson 2 жыл бұрын
Long time handy man here: I once got called out because someone got shocked when they touched the air conditioner. I started my testing with a NCVT -- what I call a voltage sniffer -- and found that it activated three feet away from the aircon unit where it would normally activate only a few inches from a hot wire. It turned out that a nail had been driven into the wall that had contacted a hot electrical conductor and the metal lath behind the plaster, and the whole wall was hot behind the plaster. The window style aircon had been installed in a hole cut through the wall without being boxed in properly so the metal AC housing also made contact with the plaster lath, so it was hot too. My voltage sniffer gave me immediate notice that something was very wrong. When using a voltmeter to check for voltage, to get a positive reading, there has to be voltage AND a ground; if you get a zero reading, you don't know if it's a lack of voltage or the lack of a ground/neutral. Use of a voltage sniffer can eliminate that ambiguity if used correctly.
@ptx3914
@ptx3914 2 жыл бұрын
Great story
@antoinettevanderwesthuizen3525
@antoinettevanderwesthuizen3525 Жыл бұрын
So I got a long lead. Can I use this method to see where there is hidden fault inside the lead? So I can cut the lead into two shorter leads?
@g42wilson
@g42wilson Жыл бұрын
That will depend on what type of fault you have in the conductor. If it's a clean break, then yes, you should be able to find it with a sniffer by applying voltage to one end. However, if the fault still has a partial, high resistance connection, a sniffer won't apply enough load to cause significant voltage drop so the sniffer doesn't activate on the dead end of the lead. You may need to set up a circuit with the faulty lead and apply a known good load before the sniffer will indicate where the fault is. You may also be able to find the fault by checking the lead mechanically to feel where the break is.
@brianj3150
@brianj3150 Жыл бұрын
Makes sense considering a lot of old time plaster walls used a wire mesh to hold the plaster.
@MrFitness94
@MrFitness94 2 жыл бұрын
Heres another thing a multi-meter can’t do: A friend said their outside light stopped working sometime around the time they hired a handyman to do some electrical elsewhere in the home. I opened up the light, old wiring, 2 wires, no ground, plastic box. White to black measured 0 V with meter. NCVT was going off like crazy though. Confused, I set up a super long multimeter lead to a known ground, and there was 120v on both the black and white wire. NCVT saved me. In fact, if I brushed it off as a false positive, things would have been very bad.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
That is a good example of how you can get in trouble with a meter. Thanks for the feedback.
@R3dp055um
@R3dp055um 2 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs I don't understand what was happening? Why did the multimeter give him a false negative in that scenario?
@dlevi67
@dlevi67 2 жыл бұрын
@@R3dp055um There were two live wires in the box, instead of a live and a neutral. Voltage difference _between the wires_ was zero. Voltage difference between either wire and ground, 120V
@saigyl9149
@saigyl9149 2 жыл бұрын
@@R3dp055um a multimeter, when testing AC, requires two completely different wires, if the neutral and hot were pigtailed together or shorted out together, then it's no different then putting both testing leads together
@wr6392
@wr6392 2 жыл бұрын
If there was 120 on each wire the meter would read 220/240. I don't understand
@FTIGroup
@FTIGroup 2 жыл бұрын
I use a NCVT anytime I need to know if a circuit is hot/not. I use a multimeter if I need to know voltage. The NCVT is quick, one-handed, and you can wedge it on the wire and try breakers until the audible tone stops. Very useful and has never done me dirty.
@Justthe2ofUs843
@Justthe2ofUs843 2 жыл бұрын
Always test your test equipment. I spent an hour trying ti find why a 12v circuit was dead only to find one of the leeds on the multimeter was bad. I now always do a check on the leeds by doing a continuity test on the leeds.
@christhompson7766
@christhompson7766 2 жыл бұрын
Lol never trust a meter that hasn’t had a recent lead check. This should be the first thing you do any time you pick up the meter
@matthewmiller6068
@matthewmiller6068 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Doesn't matter what kind of test gear, assume its faulty until you've proved it works each time...even if it worked earlier today maybe it got bumped or something and developed a fault. Once you prove its giving sane readings on a known thing you can then use it to test other unknown things. I had a multi-meter I blew the fuse accidentally and then later was wondering why everything had open circuit no voltage. Didn't realize for quite some time what happened and somehow continuity still worked fine giving a false sense of security that the meter/leads were okay...could have been nasty if I was trusting it to tell if mains cabling was safe to handle. Fortunately I was just debugging a battery powered speaker at the time.
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmiller6068 Poor quality multimeter. Mine would read wandering values. t only reads zero when the leads are connected together.
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын
@Pedo Killa A good meter won't show zero volts when the test leads are not connected to anything. It'll show random low voltage values. When the leads are connected to something (or just to themselves) you clearly get a different reading. That shows the thing is working properly-ish.
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын
@Pedo Killa Well, if you put the test leads on something and still get random readings on the meter, clearly there's something wrong !
@rayray8687
@rayray8687 2 жыл бұрын
As a long time renovator and general contractor I can’t think of a single reason why a person working around or with electrical circuits would be reluctant to use a non-contact tester. I’ve used it dozens of times to locate wires behind walls, to determine direction of the run and to do a precursory check of outlets, switches and fixtures. Like a stud finder there is no downside to using it, yet I still know old fools who go about tapping their knuckle on walls to find studs…even on plaster walls!, or testing an old fuse panel by screwing in a lightbulb instead of carrying a simple neon tester. Old habits die hard.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
You will find out when you get knocked on your a ss after after that thing failed to detect the circuit was live.
@rayray8687
@rayray8687 2 жыл бұрын
@@RadioRich100: If your tester failed it’s because YOU failed to test the tester itself, no other reason. The tester could have dead batteries, might be physically or electronically damaged or whatever but it is entirely up to you to make sure it’s working before you use it. I have a very good Speery-Rand NC tester and a cheap one that came free in another kit and in several decades I have never had either one fail me. Once I’m in the box I also use neon testers or a VOM meter if necessary to verify current. If you are being “knocked on your ass” doing electrical work it’s a very good indication that you should not be doing electrical work.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
@@rayray8687 Your totally wrong, it cant be trusted to detect anything either way when it is working and used as intended. They by their design are not trustworthy. Your just lazy looking for a quick solution. Its a toy give it to your kids to play with.
@rayray8687
@rayray8687 2 жыл бұрын
@@RadioRich100: If you have any idea how to use electrical testers they all work as intended and I carry several on all jobs. But you can’t just stick it up your a$$ and grab hold of the hot wire to test the circuit which is what it appears you do, lol. You seriously have no idea how AC circuits function and should stay away from electrical work altogether for your own safety and the safety of others. Find another hobby.
@vueport99
@vueport99 2 жыл бұрын
@@rayray8687 and sadly I've come across licensed electricians who have no business being in business. I was once on a site where I kept getting a signal after the breaker was off.. They had wired the neutral to the panel rather than the hot! For the entire office!
@Lysander_Spooner
@Lysander_Spooner 4 ай бұрын
Master electrician here. I always carry an NCVT, Flir to be exact. The NVCT is just a tool to quickly test for voltage, but I always verify with a Fluke tester prior to touching the conductors or electrical equipment.
@keithhults8986
@keithhults8986 2 жыл бұрын
35yr electrician here. By far, my favorite is fluke. The entire tip of the tester glows. It's stupid proof. The tip blinks every few seconds while it is on. It auto shuts itself off if it's on and inactive more than a few minutes and the tester beeps twice to signal it's off. I've had Klein Greenlee and most of the others. It's great for working on branch circuits. I always use a meter when I work inside breaker panels.
@Bradleybox1988
@Bradleybox1988 2 жыл бұрын
Scott, because of your recent recommendations I bought a Klein electrical test kit consisting of an RT105 receptacle tester and and an NCVT-2P non-contact voltage tester. I have tried them out, and so far so good. I greatly value your advice and appreciate your calm, clear presentations of issues we as homeowners often face. Thank you.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, really appreciate the feedback. For me right now it is hard to beat the value of the Klein Tools testers. If I run across something better I will be sure to share 👍
@netdoctor1
@netdoctor1 2 жыл бұрын
Scott: I for one appreciate your willingness to share your skills and knowledge. Please don't be put off by constructive critique. These guys, regardless of their motivation, are taking the time to praise, correct, redirect, etc. The information they provide gives us all a complete picture of the issue or process. Keep doing what you're doing. 89 million views must mean you're doing something right!
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
89 million views means everybody doubts that toy tester and there right to do so.
@netdoctor1
@netdoctor1 2 жыл бұрын
@@RadioRich100 Bullcrap. You speak for one of them. Don't kid yourself.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
@@netdoctor1 Read the replys
@sjg699
@sjg699 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Scott. Thanks for taking the time, much appreciated!
@badpenny8986
@badpenny8986 2 жыл бұрын
Electrician here.... we use NCV testers practically everyday. You shouldn't ever trust your "tic" 100% but it's a damn good indicator if there is or isnt power present.
@gene9230
@gene9230 8 ай бұрын
Well the real problems are: cannot detect DC, cannot detect non grounded circuits, depends on your ground connection. They are usefull tools, but not for determing that a circuit is safe to work on. Multimeters are also not the way to go, they depend on the battery being charged. Way to go to determine a circuit is not live is a Duspol.
@nematube
@nematube Ай бұрын
German comment detected :D
@icevariable9600
@icevariable9600 2 жыл бұрын
Apprentice here. Dude! I learn more from you and your videos than I do from the journeymen and foremen on the job. Thanks for all you do. You're making a difference.
@asmodeusasmodeus7591
@asmodeusasmodeus7591 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! DIY'er here with one of those NCVT-1 testers. I was not happy with the tester and was about to buy a different brand until I saw your video. The recall was approved by Klein and I thank you for sharing this information. It pays to watch your channel!
@jeffdutton1910
@jeffdutton1910 2 жыл бұрын
I worked for nearly 42 years in a generating station. Part of my job was to establish safe working conditions for maintenance staff. We always verified our pot checkers on known live circuits before and after a test to confirm isolation (company procedure). When loads had to be physically disconnected (e.g. for a motor replacement) it was also our procedure that the electrician would test for potential at the load, immediately prior to disconnecting the cable. In higher voltage applications we applied grounds at the circuit breaker cubicle and they still had to check for potential at the load before any approach to exposed (possibly live) terminals or conductors.
@jackmehoff2363
@jackmehoff2363 2 жыл бұрын
An annoying process. Time consuming. And redundant. But no one gonna die. I work for a pipeline company that makes me Do time consuming things. And contractors get mad at me. I get annoyed. But I have never been hurt following The rules. These rules are written in the blood of fellow Coworkers.
@DanSanChannel
@DanSanChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, 20 year industrial electrician here. I use this as my go to for my troubleshooting once i get on site. Because the one of the first things you do when troubleshooting an electrical issue is check if the equipment has a power source. This is also good for finding open lines.
@georgedavall9449
@georgedavall9449 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review Scott! And a lot of great comments in here, especially from Bret Green. I don’t understand any pushback on the use of one of these? I personally use the one you mentioned. I tried 3 or 4 before settling on that model. Like any tool, proper knowledge and usage leads to success. And hats off to all the great comments in here! Take care and stay SAFE! 👍👍👍✌🏻🇺🇸🔨
@sasines
@sasines 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the informative video. I have the Klein NCVT 1. I immediately checked the recall information and was happy to see mine was not recalled. Thanks again.
@jasonf9736
@jasonf9736 2 жыл бұрын
I have been in the electrical trade for 36 years now and hold a masters license and I am a licensed electrical contractor in Florida and California. This video was well done and nicely hit upon the pros and cons of non contact voltage testers. I have been using them for many years now and have owned just about every single one that has been manufactured, some good, some not so good. The points made in the video are very good and relevant. I usually refer to the non contact voltage tester as a "tweeter" and mostly use it to detect the presence of live conductors within a j-box , device box or panel board of which I am working on since it is so easy to test without having to undo or open up connections or splices. Then if I am troubleshooting the wiring, I will switch over to my multimeter for an exact evaluation of what is going on. With that being said, it is my firm opinion that only qualified personnel should work on electrical systems period. I have seen too many DIY projects that were done incorrectly by untrained persons and by the " Jack of All Trades " handyman. It is true that there are lots of different ways to connect wiring together to make the "light come on", but only one or two ways in which it can be done correctly. Anyway, great channel and good job on showcasing the quirks of using this invaluable tool. 👏
@jeffreystroman2811
@jeffreystroman2811 2 жыл бұрын
Most electricians I've met I wouldn't trust to change my oil, not a slight at them just illustrative of my anal standards. Broadcast video tech for 20 years who works with poly phase industrial circuits on a farm, and not a licensed electrician but I have trusted sources. Hell I've logged more time with Mike Holt than I care to admit because of the swimming pools we have, so we do exist good sir
@derrickbonsell
@derrickbonsell 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreystroman2811 Well yes I'd ask a mechanic or at least an oil change technician to change my oil instead of an electrician...
@jasonf9736
@jasonf9736 2 жыл бұрын
Bunch of trolls....not Falling for it....
@grzewnicki
@grzewnicki 2 жыл бұрын
Don't discount every do it yourselfer, I personally have a copy of the NEC and wire everything in accordance with code. I just identified numerous wiring problems at my sisters house, Work was done by her husband (just passed away), who definitely knew what was proper since he installed heat and a/c systems, he was just lazy at home and did it "good enough". Metal boxes, with grounds missing, too many conductors in boxes, poor stapling of wiring, 1/4" of sheathing not extending into boxes on NM cable, not enough wire provided inside box, unused knockouts open. All of it was easily corrected and made safe, if you take the time, read the applicable sections of the NEC for residential wiring, follow up with some of the great videos on KZfaq and some books on wiring to the NEC you can easily work on residential systems. Oh and NCVT...always in my pouch when I am working on electrical.
@WTFmaster45
@WTFmaster45 2 жыл бұрын
Iam a Jack but any time I come across something that is slightly off I make the customer higher a licensed electrician, for one simple reason. If iam wrong you could burn your whole place down. vs them having liability coverage. and a lot more exp then me
@otpyrcralphpierre1742
@otpyrcralphpierre1742 2 жыл бұрын
My single most important "go to" when working on any electrical circuit... ALWAYS ASSUME EVERY WIRE IS HOT AT ALL TIMES. This has saved me from shock because of faulty equipment/methods on more than one occasion.
@walterkay7345
@walterkay7345 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the informative video. i actually have a NCVT-1 Voltage Tester and submitted a Klein Recall this morning based upon your video (THANKS). Additionally, I am a residential home improvement DIY'er and really see loads of value with your videos. Much appreciated.
@williamgates4399
@williamgates4399 2 жыл бұрын
I have had the Klein NCV 3P for a few years and it is my go do. I have had other brands have faults detecting voltage in circuits. I got this along with the RT250 outlet tester. Best set of testers I have ever used.
@tryoung666
@tryoung666 2 жыл бұрын
As a first-year apprentice, I am required to have a non-contact voltage tester, and it was the first tool I purchased. They don't make you 100% safe, but they can improve safety to varying degrees, depending on use and conditions. I'll take any improvements to safety, but I also follow best practices and never take chances. I use mine dozens of times a day. Comes in really handy when trying to fix someone else's connection mixups in pull/junction boxes with large numbers of joints where they mislabeled some of the conductors. I'll even use it as a breaker locator as I always carry 2 cellphones (work + personal) and can hear the status of the tone over the phone while flipping breakers (as long as the signal reaches). Knowing that instruments are fallible, I always keep a second one in my kit, plus my multimeter, and plug tester. Several sets of spare batteries are also part of my kit, and I test each cell to make sure they're good. As mentioned in the video and on the tester, always test the NCVT on a known live circuit, and make sure you take advantage of adjacent circuits to verify. Be safe everyone!
@adirondacker007
@adirondacker007 2 жыл бұрын
I like your cellphone trick. I was replacing an outlet in an old apartment building one day. The outlet was on the second floor and the panel was in the basement. There was so much crosstalk on the cables that my circuit tracer was reading on 5 or 6 breakers. And I was alone. I remembered I had a remote controlled power cord in my van, so I plugged it into the bad outlet and plugged a shopvac into that. I opened the panel and used the remote and my ammeter to find the right breaker.
@tryoung666
@tryoung666 2 жыл бұрын
@@adirondacker007 Neat trick. Yep, toggling heavy loads on and off would make the current change rather detectable. It's amazing what people come up with in the field. This one guy I worked with needed power outside, and there were no plugs. Left the generator at the shop. So he unscrewed the plug from his extension cord, fed it through the 90deg pull box outside into the building, went inside, screwed the plug back on, and plugged it in. Lol.. It got the job done.
@hebers2355
@hebers2355 Жыл бұрын
Use a breaker finder
@tryoung666
@tryoung666 Жыл бұрын
@@hebers2355 I'm a first-year apprentice, and circuit tracers aren't in the union guidebook employee-provided tool list. They are supplied by the company, however I find they don't work reliably, aka crosstalk, and they aren't always readily-available (other electricians using them). I do plan to buy my own, but honestly, there are other more important tools I want/need. I have been able to find most circuit breakers using my NCVT and T6-1000.
@retiredfedleo6441
@retiredfedleo6441 2 жыл бұрын
It's fairly common especially in boxes in a garage, basement or attic, to have runs from different breakers transiting the same box and then going to an outdoor receptacle or fixture. You may be working on a receptacle or switch where you turned off the breaker and confirmed no voltage with a multimeter, but you'd never know there were still live wires in the box connected to a different breaker unless you also used a NCVT. A NCVT definitely has its place but it won't substitute for good practice. Like Fluke says on the side of the tester, "For use by competent persons only."
@georgedavall9449
@georgedavall9449 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@psilocybemusashi
@psilocybemusashi 2 жыл бұрын
agree. i have never been shocked because i used a non contact. i cant say the same about not testing at all.
@timb7328
@timb7328 2 жыл бұрын
I was over a friends house just last week who wanted to move an outlet and add another in his basement. He shut off the breaker that went to the existing outlet then I climbed up the ladder to the junction box that fed it and double checked it was the correct wire with my non contact tester only to find there were still hot wires going into that junction box. Two different wires to two different breakers fed through that box....glad I checked, if I pulled off the wrong wire nuts or knocked off one of the wire nuts that was still hot I could have gotten shocked and maybe fell off the ladder. For the price they are invaluable.
@seabass22
@seabass22 2 жыл бұрын
@@timb7328 that’s why I check everything coming in. I have an addition on my house that is wired to the back bedrooms and also pulling power off another circuit. Went to take down the ceiling fan to paint the ceiling. Turned off the breaker, double checked the wires and still had a hot wire in there. Hot wire to the fan was also white, and neutral was black. NCVT really helps in a lot of situations.
@timb7328
@timb7328 2 жыл бұрын
@@seabass22 oh dont get me started on ceiling fans. My Mom moved to Texas and when I went to visit she showed me her 3 fans and said the were going bad and wobbling. As soon as I seen them, they hung right over her bed and both of my sisters beds I flipped out....when I took them down not only didnt they use boxes made for ceiling fans but used regular boxes with a small piece of wood between it and the joist and just 2 long nails going through it all from just one side of the box.....The nails were pulling out from the vibration and all 3 fans were ready to fall.
@martywortman3215
@martywortman3215 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I use these around home. I do my own electric work unless it’s major. I have a tacklife VT 02. Works great. I found this useful when I was looking for a broken wire in my attic. I found exactly where it was broke with power on but not getting power to a room Upstairs. A contractor was cutting on outside of house and nicked wire. This tool helped me where a voltage meter was useless.
@glennkoenig6078
@glennkoenig6078 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the video. I am in the early stages of selling my house and want to take care a number of repairs before it hits the market. One of them was to check the outlets and also replace a few so I purchased the RT250KIT which includes the RT250 line tester, the NCVT3P non-contact tester, and a case for $41.99 on Amazon. Your videos have given me the direction and push to become proactive on home repairs before they get written up in a house inspection when I sell.
@clarkbabin9799
@clarkbabin9799 2 жыл бұрын
As a person who worked in the communications industry for over 30 years I had to make use of a noncontact detector regularly. We also had to use multimeter and another unit that all linemen should have on their belt. I've gone to plenty of homes that had voltage back flowing into the ground and or voltage riding on other utilities due to some bad wiring or a ad piece of equipment. The Klein testers had a procedure by which you turned them on correctly it gave a true reading. You could test them by using your index finger and thumb that would let you know if it was ready . If turned on while trying to test they would give a bad reading everytime. Also every so often we would send them off to be trued by the manufacturer. We had a backups when we needed to send them.
@russ1669
@russ1669 2 жыл бұрын
I would always use a multimeter when carrying out circuit isolations. I do use an NCVT as a quick and dirty test for circuits being live when a fault has been reported, but would then follow up with the multimeter to check the neutral and live Voltage. I also use the NCVT in cable trunking where you have many cables from different supplies to double check all have been isolated before starting work. The NCVT certainly has its place, but I would never let my life depend on it.
@Mark-sd7gg
@Mark-sd7gg 2 жыл бұрын
This is what makes this a great channel. I’m always learning new things. Thanks for the great work you do
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark, we will keep the videos coming 👍
@jimfromzerosurge4846
@jimfromzerosurge4846 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. We do a validation test of our hi-pot tester with a known good and bad sample before running surge tests on our products. Always good to validate a testing tool prior to use.
@ascienceguy-5109
@ascienceguy-5109 2 жыл бұрын
Good summary. I use my NCVT most of the time because it is easy to fit into my bag and you can use it one handed. However I have a multimeter and use that when I need certainty or when wires are packed to gether in a box and I am concerned about false positives
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
Its false negatives u need to worry about. Since theres worries and you need a sure thing everytime use a meter everytime.
@jkbrown5496
@jkbrown5496 2 жыл бұрын
Also, i learned recently through a British channel of meter proving units. Fluke has one under the model PRV240. They are battery powered known good voltage sources for testing before and after you use the meter.
@eatdirtmofo
@eatdirtmofo 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, especially good when there is no energy on site, We are permitted (UK) to use a known "live" circuit before and after, but if no energy on site then a proving unit is great!
@TheCelltek
@TheCelltek 2 жыл бұрын
Mine is a NCVT2 I have had no issues with it also use a circuit tester and occasionally a multi-meter for continuality and voltage. Thanks for the tips !!
@leo.melchior
@leo.melchior 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Scott, I want to thank you for recommending using NCV tester. I have bought one and I use it all the time. It has warn me a number of times upgrading the wiring on my boat. It is really useful in finding the bad light in a Christmas string as you can find where the power stops then flip the plug for the lights to confirm your findings.
@davidwayneprins
@davidwayneprins 2 жыл бұрын
This is one tool I do not own. However, living in an older house it would make sense to have one as not all boxes have a ground wire and evidence of originally being wired knob and tube. Next trip to Lowe's...
@marcberm
@marcberm 2 жыл бұрын
The multimeter is great, but when I'm working on simpler electrical-only projects, I just carry a simple neon tester along with the non-contact tester. The non-contact is great for first line checks, but the neon tester verifies power is off at the terminals/conductors before anything is touched or handled.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy, good to see you on the channel and thanks for the feedback!
@georgekolos5255
@georgekolos5255 2 жыл бұрын
What is a neon tester?
@marcberm
@marcberm 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgekolos5255 The simplest and cheapest form of contact tester. Essentially just two short probes/leads attached to a small neon indicator lamp that glows in the presence of line voltage (110/120, but also usually a lot lower).
@alexayache8556
@alexayache8556 2 жыл бұрын
Love this tool, use it every single day. Has saved my butt
@benzcrazy
@benzcrazy 2 жыл бұрын
I have one I got from lowes and one from Harbor Freight , I use both but I always treat all circuits as live first . So far so good , Thanks for all your advice , I learn a lot from your videos .
@HyperactiveNeuron
@HyperactiveNeuron 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with Bret Green. I'm not an electrician but I did study electrical engineering, power systems, electronics repair and had a degree in physics with over 30 credit hours in labs, not including professional work and I use NCVT but I never rely on a single measurement and use multiple instruments when I can't. Bret's advice about treating every wire as live is always good practice, especially if your handling house voltage which starts at 10 Amps and only goes up from there.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Good points!
@Scooter4356
@Scooter4356 2 жыл бұрын
Same EE-physics degree. Diy'er for almost any home project. I've been getting hit with 110 since I was a kid. (stupid Xmas lights every friggin year) It bites, doesn't kill. If working on 10/20amp home stuff... I'm not too worried. I just put in a new 50amp 220vac for a new stove. You best believe I was much more cautious, even with only one hook into live power. I know how deadly the main into the house can be, and treated it as such. So, my point is just be risk aware. Hot swapping outlets on a 10amp line... Great. But dangerous situations require different mindsets. Be safe all.
@rhkiku
@rhkiku 2 жыл бұрын
I've been doing electrical work for a few years now. I use both a NCVT, and a multimeter to check if a circuit is off. If I open a box I'm not sure of, I'll use an NCVT, but I never rely solely on the NCVT. Been a few times where I use my NCVT to test a receptacle before touching it, and when I tested it with my multimeter, the multimeter went off. If I'm LOTOing a circuit, every company I worked for said to never use a NCVT to determine if it was off and to always use a multimeter. All the Journeymen and foremen I've worked for would kick me off the jobsite if I ever used an NCVT to verify if a circuit was off. Get a good one. Klein multimeters aren't the best. Most of their test equipment isn't the best as a matter of fact. I use a Fluke T5-600. It's pretty expensive, but fluke is probably the most trusted out of all the brands that make test equipment.
@pikricky
@pikricky 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a retired Motor Mechanic and Auto Electrician who does a lot of diy and I regularly use my Kaiweets HT100 ncvt for proving a dead circuit but always double check on known live feeds before I start work on that particular circuit,I use multi meters as well but like you mainly for continuity tests,I'm in Scotland so our electrics are different from yours but sometimes I'm a bit envious of the simplicity of some of your components and the ease of fitting or installing them,great video,good to see someone with a sensible approach to NCVT's
@davidduff9871
@davidduff9871 2 жыл бұрын
Very good safety recommendations. The sandwich technique is excellent.
@wingdwolf56
@wingdwolf56 2 жыл бұрын
I like the non contact because I only need one hand to use it. The multi meter can be a bit clumsy at times.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
And there goes your safety sacrificed for convenience.
@lawrencegolba2244
@lawrencegolba2244 2 жыл бұрын
Kudos to stressing testing and working on a dead circuit. I have a fluke. When on a ladder, I've found it much easier (and safer from a fall standpoint) to be able to use the ncvt with one hand to reach and test overhead. Also less chance of accidently becoming part of a live circuit if one of your multimeter test leads slips and you make contact. I've found that the advantage of the multimeter can be for detecting voltage from a conductor to ground, or for detecting a short. In buildings with steel structural components or with operating hvac equipment and metal conduit, a multimeter can show the voltage potential caused by magnetic fields and/or shorts to the metal components. You don't want to become the path to ground.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
Your sacrificing your safety for convenience. If you cant test with a multimeter or circuit tester thats where you take your chances. False positives and negatives are side effects of those testers and one time where it doesnt detect and you act on it , it may cost you your life.
@carlbussmann7559
@carlbussmann7559 2 жыл бұрын
I use the same but the added info is real good. Thanks. I can always trust you.
@davepatti2296
@davepatti2296 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using NCV testers for about 25yrs now, #1 tool in my pocket. I do I&C work, PLC's but also around single and 3Ph equipment. #1 tester to see if any AC voltage is live on contactors, VSD's, solenoids, etc. Found a neutral that was hot with it, wires had broken in a neutral path making the upstream N's live. Great tool along with a meter, and common sense.
@konradpetz7317
@konradpetz7317 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a retired 40 year industrial electrician. The common ac voltages we work on is 120/240 , 3 phase 480v, 3 phase 600v. I do use a fluke model of that. I will use that and teach my apprentices to only use them to check for the presence of power, not the absence of power. Never use it to verify that it is dead to work on something. Always use a contact tester that you first tested on a know live power source, to verify something is dead.
@zerosparky9510
@zerosparky9510 2 жыл бұрын
i work mostly on home wiring. no way am i working on 3 phase 480 volt. and no way to work on that without PPE on. once saw a electrician put a breaker in a 3 phase 277/480 volt panel and no PPE on. i thought to myself , you want to die? fool
@konradpetz7317
@konradpetz7317 2 жыл бұрын
@@zerosparky9510 what’s even more scary is starting up a 13,800v 15,000 hp synchronous motor. Even though you are at remote station it still could be tense as it rumbles to life.
@zerosparky9510
@zerosparky9510 2 жыл бұрын
@@konradpetz7317 I will stay with 240/120volt.
@BilgeDweller
@BilgeDweller 2 жыл бұрын
I was the engineer on a diesel electric paddlewheel gambling boat a few years ago. Our propulsion was 480 three phase AC converted to DC through oilfield style SCR panels. Whenever we had to work on these (there were four on board), you had to make absolutely sure that you had killed_all_power to the SCR panel, as there were multiple sources, and some of the breakers were outside of the machinery spaces. I equipped each of my helpers with NCTV's as a way of assuring that all of the power was off before anyone put their hands inside a panel, and they were trained to always test them first on a known live circuit. Several times we found that a breaker had been missed using these, and the issue was promptly corrected before work began. We never had either an injury or a near miss in my 3.5 years there on the SCR drive panels, and I credit the proper use to the NCTV's for this.
@creamysbrianna
@creamysbrianna 2 жыл бұрын
@Everyday home repairs Thank you for talking about three point dead checks.
@seanhiscock
@seanhiscock 2 жыл бұрын
Good of you to review this. Advice given to me was "this is used to confirm the presence of electricity, not the absence." I would do known live testing, then check the circuit I was going to work on, open it, test it, close it again & test again, then open & test again. I've never been shocked performing any electrical work.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Sean, appreciate the feedback 👍
@hankkline7300
@hankkline7300 2 жыл бұрын
Master electrician, I use NCVT frequently, I don't rely on it as an absolute, but it has saved me from unexpected shock or burn many times. I find false positives in dead wires that run parallel to live ones such as in a conduit, or a three wire Romex such as a 3-way switch. Even digital multi-meters can show a "ghost" voltage". This is due to induced voltage or capacitance on the "dead" wire". I once had an electric co. employee tell me the 3/0 wire was shorted when he read ohms on a new wire I had just installed. I proved him wrong by connecting it to a live 20A 120V circuit. This would have prevented a catastrophic incident Rather than hooking it up to a 200A circuit.
@georgedavall9449
@georgedavall9449 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Hank!
@joeearls8878
@joeearls8878 2 жыл бұрын
That's why we check circuits with a "wiggy" or at least a multi-meter with a Lo-Z setting. Ghost voltages go away when a load is applied.
@hankkline7300
@hankkline7300 2 жыл бұрын
@@joeearls8878 I trust a wiggy!
@GS-lh2nx
@GS-lh2nx 2 жыл бұрын
My dad was an electrician but didn't trust these. He told me to always use a meter. But they are just to convenient. I had a Klein but it failed me when I really needed it. I replaced it with a fluke and been going 7 years now with it. Great tool and you can't be to careful
@Justintime631
@Justintime631 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the fluke one is the way to go
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
If you use one of those your not being careful, just foolish because its faster.
@Justintime631
@Justintime631 2 жыл бұрын
@@RadioRich100 👌🏻
@eatdirtmofo
@eatdirtmofo 2 жыл бұрын
Your Dad was right, the problem is that once they enter your tool bag you'll use it more and more... you will come to trust and rely on it because its so damn convenient... But they are not reliable...so one day....it'll let you down.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
@@eatdirtmofo there not reliable at all , its just a fast more convenient way giving a false sense of security. Use your meter in the circuit!
@johnfalkenstine8377
@johnfalkenstine8377 2 жыл бұрын
I actually use one of these testers on old stereo equipment. Very good for showing leakage in the power supplies!
@kingblondie7075
@kingblondie7075 4 ай бұрын
Used it last week. Had a dual switch box I forgot was on two circuit breakers. NCV reminded me, very easy.
@johncna2952
@johncna2952 2 жыл бұрын
You have to understand the limitations of each tool. False readings with a NCVT are quite rare but possible. But a false negative is possible with a tester dongle or multimeter, too. If your circuit fault is between the box and panel on the neutral, a multimeter will show 0v live hot to neutral. Older house without a ground? Multimeter will show 0v from live hot to the box, too. An NCVT will catch both of those. For maximum safety, you need BOTH.
@25Nightops
@25Nightops 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, there is a use case and need for both a NCVT and multimeter. My meter even has an NCV on it, but usually I use my Klein NCVT-4IR for NCV testing. The IR thermometer for finding hot spots was more useful to me than laser distance measurement, or as a flashlight.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
On an older house you should have tested to another neutral or ground with a meter not one of those toys.
@KameraShy
@KameraShy 2 жыл бұрын
DIY'er here and would not go without my NCVT. Even though I know the wiring and circuits in my house. One example people should know about: A couple receptacles in my house are fed by two circuits. Two breakers need to be switched off. I suspect a lot of places are like that, with multiple, mystery circuits running around. And for me, a "false positive" is not a problem. If I get an unexpected one, then that is a warning - what these devices are for - to investigate further.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
Its the false negatives you need to worry about. Use your meter not a toy.
@fredrickbaker5262
@fredrickbaker5262 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, like you I use the non contact tester, as my go to and, usually have on hand the outlet and multimeter. Great information. Keep them coming sir!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Fred is it a Fluke 1AC? I used a Fluke DMM for years and really like the brand.
@blairw6424
@blairw6424 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a DIY'er too and I use the Klein NCVT-2 religiously. Never a problem. Great video, BTW!
@boogieman7955
@boogieman7955 2 жыл бұрын
20+ year field service technician. Always, ALWAYS, perform a live/dead/ live test with a good multi meter. You are trusting your life to your test equipment.
@buckhorncortez
@buckhorncortez 2 жыл бұрын
You know, nothing substitutes for the equipment between your ears. I use a non-contact tester for gross indications of power / no power before I investigate further. This includes troubleshooting equipment plugged into an outlet. I had an incident where an appliance stopped working. I could quickly verify current at the outlet, current on the cord to a Variac, and then power cord from the Variac to the appliance. It was obvious the problem was with the Variac and a quick check of the Variac's fuse proved that was the problem. No need for a multi-meter for that kind of work.
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 жыл бұрын
@@buckhorncortez The fuse at the variac was not the problem ! It's a safety device because of the real problem.
@gerhardschemel3565
@gerhardschemel3565 2 жыл бұрын
In no way do I trust a single tester to determine if it safe to touch. I know that any tester can work just a few seconds ago and then not work at any given moment. That is why I do the double no trouble testing. It amazes me how thick so many are.The non contact voltage indicator is so reliable. As a master electrician for 20 of my 44 years I have not experienced any quality device to not work. Yes I did carry two or three different brands and even a couple or three of the exact type for comparison. If a non contact tester doesn’t indicate the presence of voltage you test with a meter to verify. It is a time / labor saving tool nothing more.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
You should have just tested with the meter in the first place and leave the toys for the kids.
@gerhardschemel3565
@gerhardschemel3565 2 жыл бұрын
@@RadioRich100 you obviously have not spent enough time trouble shooting. And do you know the increased risk from using a contact type meter? And not just from the contact aspect.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 2 жыл бұрын
@@gerhardschemel3565 Ive spend most of my life trouble shooting and I know better than to use toys to do it. Two methods yes , that thing being one of them?, no.
@timdeboer8804
@timdeboer8804 2 жыл бұрын
I have a non contact tester and swear by it. If at any time I question the validity I first recheck with the Non-contact tester AND than follow up with a multi meter. I love that thing! It's great!
@robertpost1807
@robertpost1807 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been an electrician for about 38 years now and I always have my non-contact tester on me. If I’m going to be opening a panel or a device or need to check the voltage then I will have one of my meters. My go to meters are alway Fluke. I find them to be the most reliable and rugged. Great video by the way.
@loumitch1
@loumitch1 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not in favor of using anything battery operated to test to see of a line is live. For what I do as a DIY'er, the outlet tester or the tool with the two probes suit me fine.
@Nick-bh1fy
@Nick-bh1fy 2 жыл бұрын
Lol what do u do if u ever work on something other than a plug 😂
@loumitch1
@loumitch1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nick-bh1fy That's a stupid question and you're not funny. There are always alternatives.
@Nick-bh1fy
@Nick-bh1fy 2 жыл бұрын
@@loumitch1 not a dumb question genuinely asking? Multimeters use batteries
@Cymaphore
@Cymaphore 10 ай бұрын
You don't own an electrical tester as required by code and guidelines. Neither your Multimeter, nor your deathstick nor your socket tester is suited for it. Get a proper electrical tester. Neither expansive nor difficult. Examples: Fluke T+Pro, T5, T6, T150, T130; Ideal 61-547, Vol-Con; Klein ET40, ET45; Beha-Amprobe 2100 ... and many others Yes, I repeat myself. But you get so many views and people will go by your dangerous suggestions. Please educate yourself before teaching others!
@kikiv1993
@kikiv1993 3 ай бұрын
This is what I wonder if testers like the Fluke T130 or Beha are even allowed in the US. I have seen on YT Americans using various NCVs, clamp multimeters, regular multimeters, socket testers, but bipolar voltage and continuity testers? No one
@zed351
@zed351 2 ай бұрын
@@kikiv1993 I find it bizarre that voltage testers don't appear to be a thing on YT in the US. For my DIY I have a Martindale VT12 to prove dead before I touch bare wires and also a non-contact for testing/tracing known live cables. Both cheap so why not have both when your life is on the line?
@larryborshard7824
@larryborshard7824 9 ай бұрын
Love your videos, love your instructional style! Great calm, even, slow pace, clear enunciation, so easy to hear and understand. Great visual aids and demos and show 'n' tell (or tell 'n' show). Updating my previous comment (from 8 months ago) now that I've read the current on-line instruction manuals for the NCVT-2P and NCVT-3P. They both have the spade nose now, like my NCVT-2, not the dolphin nose my NCVT-3 has. They both have the same dual operation, same ranges, same indicators. Now the 3P is simply a 2P with a light. (I agree with the comment(s) saying it's better to have a headlamp to keep your hands free, but I respect different strokes for different folks, all good.) Great tip to check before AND after with a known live circuit. Question - I don't understand your issue with the NCVT-3. Mine has a small blue LED "PWR" indicator. If my batteries are low, I'd see a single light on the power bar at start-up, indicating approx. 20% power. I trust (!) the blue PWR LED would go out if the batteries died in use. I agree having a larger, green (or blue) light always on in the tip is a much better power indicator, but your video sounds to me as if your NCVT-3 had NO power on indicator, no small blue PWR light - is that correct?
@goldenpun5592
@goldenpun5592 2 жыл бұрын
one of these things saved me a couple times on simple DIY light switch and outlet changes. . I ALWAYS test the box/wires/switch multiple times before i touch it with my hands and I ALWAYS test the tester on an outlet I KNOW is live. Which as you say is what they tell you to do in the instructions.
@gisthefirstbisthesecond9820
@gisthefirstbisthesecond9820 2 жыл бұрын
Off topic but I love your tool pouches. I have a bunch. I even added the clips to the sides of my ladder to get my tools off my waist when I’m installing fixtures. Oh and I’ve never had an issue with a ncvt.
@pierrettebrouard5603
@pierrettebrouard5603 2 жыл бұрын
You convinced me to get this Klein Tools NCVT-3P. As a DIYer, I use an auto ranging multimeter that does Non contact and also Single lead contact detection but doesn't have sound and flashlight and is not as easy to use as the NCVT-3P.
@lawrencegolba2244
@lawrencegolba2244 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input Radiorich. I guess it's just my judgement call between staying stable on the ladder using one hand to test and the other to hold onto a truss or whatever I can to stabilize myself versus having two hands up in the air while testing. Of course, the two hands up in the air may still occur when trying to install or remove something from the overhead fixture or junction box.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
I relied on the Ideal Mini Volt Tick for a few years, and then they quit production and I bounced through a few before settling on Milwaukee. it still burns through batteries faster than the old ideal, but it's pretty consistent in its performance. my biggest issue with the one you have is how wide the stick is. the milwaukee is slimmer all around and tapers over the last 2 inches to get into tight spaces. my current one (cat #2203-20) is auto ranging for 10-1000VAC. it's a little annoying because it's a little sluggish responding, but it also gives me a better idea whether I'm picking up a live wire or just induction voltage. as for the "professionals don't use them" claim - rubbish. it is usually the most commonly used diagnostic tool, because it is fast and convenient.
@ianmitchell4745
@ianmitchell4745 2 жыл бұрын
22 years in maintenance here and I agree. It's a great quick check if you are trying to figure out whether you have a localized or ballast issue or if the switch is broken. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but that's not what the tool is designed for. I also carry a small voltage tester and I always treat everything as if it's hot anyway.
@Danko88
@Danko88 2 жыл бұрын
my go to is Klein NCVT-5 and Fluke 179 meter. I use both allot on jobs when working on residential circuits.
@BDNADLER
@BDNADLER 4 ай бұрын
I just bought a Klein Tools NCVT-3P to assist in installing my Nest Protect hard wired smoke alarm. The wires were already in place but not connected. A battery detector was in place. Since pulling the breaker for the alarm put me in the dark, the built in flashlight came in very handy.
@mineown1861
@mineown1861 2 жыл бұрын
Neon tester has always served me well , always carry two and test them regularly. My ammeter has a non contact sensor , but I just use it as an ammeter .
@lopezoscari
@lopezoscari 2 жыл бұрын
I love it. Is another tool in my arsenal. For me every wire is a live wire. Check and double check.
@blessedwithchallenges9917
@blessedwithchallenges9917 2 жыл бұрын
I always test something I know is live, then test what I'm about to work on. I am a pro and I use that tester often. Thing is, there are times where we just lose track and think we did something we didn't, or get something mixed up etc. Therefore, I think it's worth the 'safe not sorry' approach.
@jeremynelson8496
@jeremynelson8496 2 жыл бұрын
I love this tool. I have the Klein you have there but I prefer the Milwaukee 2202-20. It's smaller and it has an awesome light on the end. It will beep on ghost voltage so it always good measure to double check with multimeter.
@general5104
@general5104 Жыл бұрын
Hidy & THANK YOU for an excellent informative video!!! I was pro. electrician, for my main career, and I carried an analog Tripplet 310 VOM multi-meter, a fluke digital meter, (I don't remember what number it was), a "Wiggie" it was LIKE a Wiggins voltage tester, but I liked the Ideal 61-065 Voltage Tester. It reads from 120 to 600 AC or DC. Most of the time you weren't worried about the voltage when chasing a circuit to see where you loose it. It has a spring loaded weight that JUMPS to a certain voltage and has, not only a visual line and an LED showing you have voltage, but it jumps in your hand. The test leads store inside the outer edges of its 1 piece body. You pull the probe out of its holder and turn it around and the case holds it and acts like a handle. Tgen you have your other probe in the other hand. The tip, of the probes have spring loaded covers that all for testing in tight places. Or you can pull them up and give them a twist and the covers stay retracted. It is heavy duty enough to make you feel confident when probing up in a motor control cabinet. It's safety yellow. The test leads are pared and plug in in one right angled plug, in the bottom of the unit. It was designed very well. When I retired, I went to an electrical supply store and bought one for myself. YOU CANT BEAT IT for testing circuits. I have an AMES "Squeaker" non contact voltage sensor, like you're talking of. Its great for finding wires inside walls. It's also great for informing you which wire is HOT. If you separate the wires out a tad, and lay the tip on each wire's insulation, it will tell you which wire is hot. I did have an Ideal, twice; but each one was stolen, right out of my METERS DRAWER in my hobby shop! So, I got a cheaper one and it's stayed for several years! Lots of the time you're NOT worried about what the voltage is...just that you have some there
@hassanbazzi3545
@hassanbazzi3545 2 жыл бұрын
The one I had was so cheap that hated every time I used it. I guess you get what you pay for. I always used the plug tester but as you said not good enough. Great valuable information and thank you for sharing
@jasonbabila6006
@jasonbabila6006 2 жыл бұрын
I have both Fluke and Klein NCV testers and I use either one, both works great.
@joehubler4965
@joehubler4965 2 жыл бұрын
I found a device that is the best of both worlds, it's a clamp meter with a built-in Non-Contact Voltage Tester.
@NonCompete
@NonCompete Жыл бұрын
My dad is a master electrician with 50 years of experience and swears by his NCVT. He uses a simple Santronics 3000 and advises to couple them with common sense practice like checking each conductor twice and using a traditional meter when it really counts, etc. (and always treating every wire like it's potentially live, connecting and disconnecting in order, etc., like many others have mentioned)
@HBSuccess
@HBSuccess 2 жыл бұрын
Been wiring/re-wiring homes for 45 yrs and I use a NCVT all the time. And so did the guy who trained me. They’re not perfect but used properly they’re useful.
@TheMinecraftACMan
@TheMinecraftACMan 2 жыл бұрын
My multimeter has a NCV setting built into it. When I'm confirming that something is off before working on it, I always use the leads. But when I'm trying to pick out one hot wire from a bundle of several, the NCV setting does come in quite handy. Mines actually sensitive enough that I can use it to trace wires through drywall.
@Honestandtruth
@Honestandtruth 2 жыл бұрын
You are very Well EXPLAINED on everything you do and Thank you
@mikebavoso26
@mikebavoso26 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video I am a licseened commercial electrican. Yes very good tool. Many times a electrical box did have several source's of power in the metal gutter. With 480vac, one leg is 277 or more to ground and just a nick or a stray stran of wire could find you. Always check and recheck any time you open a disconnect.plus always check your tool or meter on a live circuit.
@Kansas-Paul
@Kansas-Paul 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a retired master electrician 42 years in the trade. I used Fluke non contact all the time, they do need to be replaced every now and then if used professionally. I also used a Fluke T Pro tester and a Fluke 87. I had a customer use a budget non contact tester and it kept beeping on his basement foundation and he was confident it was energized. My series of Fluke testers said otherwise. I suggested he toss his in the trash and get a Fluke.
@sambeasley893
@sambeasley893 2 жыл бұрын
You and I think and work alike. Your tutorial on the Klein multimeter was excellent. I really enjoy your channel.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam, appreciate the support 👍
@nathanfisher4452
@nathanfisher4452 2 жыл бұрын
As a facilities engineer, that tools is in the bag with my meter. Use it daily. Great tool.
@sminthian
@sminthian 2 жыл бұрын
I have two cheapie ones, Ultimate AC Sensor and All Sun. Neither of them have a battery LED, and neither say to do that known-circuit test. That's probably why people are saying not to advise homeowners to use these, only the top-of-the-line ones have the safety features that you're used to.
@Sometungsten
@Sometungsten 2 жыл бұрын
Good topic. I use a NCVT to get a feel for what is going on in a covered wire/circuit, but never for a safe to touch decision for a bare wire. I use a two prong touch tester with the tiny light at the junction after I verify it's condition on known live circuit.
@edsnotgod
@edsnotgod 2 жыл бұрын
I've got a vintage light-style tester with a handy pocket clip on it. The clear plastic it's made from is so yellowed out I can hardly see the light anymore
@philtangerine
@philtangerine 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, this is very helpful.
@GabrielGonzalez-mw4ch
@GabrielGonzalez-mw4ch Жыл бұрын
Very informative and well explained especially about it's limits and applications. I'm a handy DIY'er but definitely not a pro. Videos like this are helpful. Thanks, Be Safe, and God Bless.
@1seriousgearheadify
@1seriousgearheadify 2 жыл бұрын
I use a Fluke 1AC-A 11 regularly and love it
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