Nynaeve is a great choice for #1. Notice how she is the one person that Rand always trusts 1) to complement him when he needs to combine with the female half of the source, knowing she'll figure out what's needed, and be steadfast and capable, 2) she sees things his way as to goals and priorities, and 3) Rand never once mistrusts her motives. That pair's relationship is my absolute favorite in the book - no romance needed!
@matthewsmith46475 жыл бұрын
They are truly family.
@bradleywinters29035 жыл бұрын
so true
@abigailslade38244 жыл бұрын
La W sorry all that braid pulling ruined Nynaeve for me.
@fardareismai44953 жыл бұрын
@@abigailslade3824 Really? that is a bit shallow... But to each their own I guess. Who is your personal favourite?
@abigailslade38243 жыл бұрын
Brechje Bakker what shallow because they repetitive description annoyed me how so? My favourite is Matt Cauthon hands down, Nynaeve did improve under Sanderson once all the braid pulling was reduced.
@Jamesmatise5 жыл бұрын
Meh, Moiraine deserved a top ten spot more than Fain did. Other than that pretty good choices.
@michaelh96493 жыл бұрын
That is exactly what I was thinking.
@debbielind25982 жыл бұрын
@@michaelh9649 p0pp
@jonathangooding50202 ай бұрын
Was surprised by Moraine's omission, but also in disagreement with his choices for Mat. Character arc, he gets completely wrong at the end, Mat's has incredible character growth, suffering through the dagger poisoning, then getting memories of other man, and keeping his own character in the midst of that is incredibly strong. Also Mat and the one power phobia also morph's his acquisition of the fox head medallion and always doing things far away from his what he feels is safe or sane to help other is noble, but the fact hat he does do it, especially helping the aes sedai he helps is incredible character development and growth and strength, furthermore, Mat ends up being quit responsible, that is a massive change, he just retains his twinkle mischievousness, he goes from always running away and having to be hauled in to actually running into the danger by the end. How Nae'blis can't see this is dumbfounding to me, perhaps Mat just isn't dark enough. I'd shoot his character arc to 13 or 14 minimum. Also uniqueness. Come on.. is his luck all Naeblis could think off and being a rogue trope..firstly, no one, and I mean no one is THAT lucky and how Jordan justifies and gives him is luck is totally a part of his character, making him one very unique rogue., then Mashaadar, the dagger, the memories - and his own natural skill - he is unique as they come despite his trope being such a familiar one, i'tsh ow the trope is executed that is so excellent, it feels fresh and compelling, despite being one of the most common - who does a rogue trope like Mat Cauthon? Rogue, turned General, turned prince - and you only give him a 4 out of 5? No sir, that's a 5/5 out of 5. This imo, takes him to 48/50
@pieromancer9095 жыл бұрын
Nynaeve is my second favorite character only after Rand. While she's somewhat of an arrogant bully at the start of the series, she really becomes an amazing person by the end of it. She shares the single most monumental event of the series outside of Tarmon Gaidon with Rand, as she's the one person the Dragon Reborn trusted to share that with. She delivered the "will he ride alone?" speech. She's so far from perfect, and that's what makes her victories so satisfying.
@morpheusnorg4 жыл бұрын
And she showed during her testing to the Amyrlin and the 7sisters what it actually means to be Aes Sedai :)
@beholder93 жыл бұрын
Then Nynaeve tugged her braid.
@TruthWaves223 жыл бұрын
The tugging of her braid always pissed me off. I wanted to just snatch her up and strangle her to death. All of them pissed me of them and there respect me because I have the one power shit. Get out of here!
@TruthWaves223 жыл бұрын
But I did like nynaeve . She just pissed me off so much.
@zackmccormic111115 жыл бұрын
No moraine hurts my soul
@NaeBlis5 жыл бұрын
Same. Surprised me. She just missed the list honestly.
@Violetsoul65 жыл бұрын
I was actually pretty ok with her not being on the list.
@rd64163 жыл бұрын
Moiraine is absent for nearly 2/3's of the series. Her development isnt overly dramatic even counting A New Spring. Her relationship with Lan is unchanging, the only real relationship development we see is between Moiraine and Rand (my absolute favourite relationship in the entire series, and possibly in any book I've ever read) and Moiraine and Eqwene. Moiraine is still one of my all time favourite characters but it IS hard to put her in the top ten when she is absent for most of the series. Her reappearance at Merrilor, in fact the entire Merrilor section felt contrived and poorly executed. It felt like Sanderson just wanted to dump everything he could onto those pages and then move on as as quickly as possible. Padan Fain is the great tragedy of Wheel of Time. Personally I think he should have been part of the Cleansing and died somehow in book 11. He was literally RIGHT THERE in Far Madding right before the cleansing! Cadsuane could have caught him, thus earning her legendary status with some on screen heroics for once. Perhaps Rand could have then used him as a human sieve and pumped the evil of Shadar Logoth through him or something, and he could have dissolved slowly in the process, except for the dagger which gets ends up back in the hole locking a little evil back in the bedrock ready for the next turning. I was always worried that Padan Fain might end up to much like Gholam if he made it to Shayol Ghul and died during the sealing of the bore. Still Brandon Sanderson had 3 extra books and he still couldn't do Fain justice. *sigh*
@capitalcityska5 жыл бұрын
I almost thought you're number 1 was going to be Bela! I'm with you on Nynaeve. Well done ;)
@2CSST24 жыл бұрын
My only problem with his argument for her though is that for the character arc he gives ger 15 mostly for her staying true to herself while molding herself as she needs (becoming Aes Sedai, etc.) as her goals/values which never really change. Yet, for pretty much the same exact reason he only gives 10 to Mat. You can say the same things about him, he also stays true to himself while molding himself as he needs (becoming general), and he doesn't actually always takes his responsabilities and duties as seriously as he needs at the start compared to the end, I mean he did take the dagger at the beginning, and at the end he's taking initiatives to help. On top of that, while it's an artificial change to his character, the things the dagger do to him ARE part of his character arc and so in the end it's not even right to say he's the same from beginning to end. If that were the case, why is he many people's least favorite character at the beginning of the series and then their favorite later on? I think his bias is what leads him to give 15 to his personal favorite character for very simiar reasons to the one for which he gives only 10 to Mat...
@BMR35 жыл бұрын
I wish I should smash a LOVE button instead of just the like button! Nynaeve as the number nearly made me jump of off my office chair for joy! I love her character and I feel like she’s doesn’t get the fan love she desires, she goes misunderstood and that’s a damn shame. Nynaeve for best girl in all of fiction!
@Jamesmatise5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Nynaeve was a good choice for Number 1.
@wadefan065 жыл бұрын
Love Nynaeve. I just wish she would have put Egwene back in her place.
@BradJames835 жыл бұрын
Egwene was Amyrlin. Nynaeve had to defer to her.
@IchibanOjousama5 жыл бұрын
@@BradJames83 Egwene grew arrogant and chaotic
@BradJames835 жыл бұрын
@@IchibanOjousama No, she knew exactly how to lead.
@FolkSHADE5 жыл бұрын
@@BradJames83 No, she grew power hungry and believed she was the person who was supposed to check Rand's power and it was a ridiculous and idiotic thing to believe.
@IchibanOjousama5 жыл бұрын
@@FolkSHADE Indeed.
@madisongoodyear50404 жыл бұрын
10. Lan 9. al'Lan Mandragoran 8. King of Malkier 7. Nynaeve's husband 6. Lan 5. Moirane's first warder 4. Dai’Shan 3. Lan 2. Tai’Shar Malkier! 1. LAN!! **honorable mention - Mandarb
@kingambrosius91253 жыл бұрын
You missed the Lord of the Seven Towers
@graygryphon87095 жыл бұрын
"Alternate WOT ending"?! I see what you did there Mr. Blis.
@snarfmcgillicutty26165 жыл бұрын
To consider a character change, you must consider what the character's thoughts and beliefs were about their world and environment, not simply circumstances. Mat's changing circumstances made him realize that while he has seen adventure, adventure isn't as glamorous or as fun as he originally thought. He learns that nobles aren't all bad, which is kind of a prejudice he holds earlier in the series. He forces others to look at things in a new way, because he is able to bridge the gap between the common folk and the high born. He also forces some stubborn women to learn to be more humble when he saves them and they fail to thank him time and again. Early in the series, Mat would skip responsibility if he could get away with it back in Emond's Field and he starts that way on the adventure, but he certainly takes it on less and less reluctantly. I think the major change is learning that adventure, heroes, and the world are not all that glamorous or fun. I also think obtaining the memories of great captains and fighters from ages past had an impact on him, but it's subtle. It's the difference between being a kid and growing up. On the surface, what we get, is the growth of Mat over time. Perrin and Rand change in much the same way, but their catalysts were much more dramatic than Mat's. Theirs felt to me scarier, while Mat's even though he's a leader in battle, seemed always to have an edge of fun, which is why I think you don't see the change.
@Gumdaar15 жыл бұрын
This is spot on! As well - Mat's loyalty to his associates is second to no one, even the compulsion of pure evil couldn't curb.
@FemkevanDrooge2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree with this. Also I think because Mat consistently underestimated *himself* so much, even more so than Perrin, the readers often do so too. In Carhien he wants to escape responsibility by just running away from an important battle. Before the start of the Last Battle he 'escapes' responsibility not because he wants to run away, not because he refuses to do work: he works quite hard in all kinds of ways, training new recruits etc - he just refuses to compromise his principles by ordering execution just because that's what the Seanchan culture would expect of him. I think Mat has an enormous character arc but also remains true to his core self from within, very similar to Nynaeve actually
@NovelSimplicity795 жыл бұрын
I think you might be missing something about Fain. It seemed to me, with all Rand’s talk of destroying the Dark One, that Fain was being set up by the Pattern to “ascend” as a new DO since the pattern can’t survive without one. Once Rand settled one sealing and not destruction, and then did that, Fain was no longer needed in the Pattern. I think that was the reason he was ended so anti-climatically. That’s just my 2¢. Great video as always.
@abigailslade38244 жыл бұрын
Couladin069 the way fain died was perfectly set up from the very first book, Matt is even told no one is as protected from Fains powers as he is.
@wecksno2w5 жыл бұрын
Nynaeve is my favorite character, followed by Verin I think. I also liked Pevara and Androl. Pevara was unusual for a red and Androl was uniquely powerful while still being weak. He also had a good head on his shoulders.
@IchibanOjousama5 жыл бұрын
Nynaeve is #1 yes and Pevara was the best Red
@g2024_4 жыл бұрын
Plus #1 has one of the best, most tear filling, shout out “hell yeah” conversations in the books - Master Aldragoran? You were pointed out to me as a merchant with a wide correspondence by pigeon. How may I help you, Aes Sedai? You wish me to send a message for you via my pigeons? It will be my pleasure. A message to each merchant you correspond with. Tarmon Gai’don is coming soon. That is nothing to do with me, Aes Sedai. I’m a merchant. But I will send your message. Do you recognize this? (He gasps) I recognize it. My name is Nynaeve ti al’Meara Mandragoran. The message I want sent is this. My husband rides from World’s End toward Tarwin’s Gap, toward Tarmon Gai’don. Will he ride alone? (He trembles) I will send your message, my Lady, but it has nothing to do with me. I am a merchant. Malkier is dead. Dead, I tell you. Lan told me once that Malkier lives so long as one man wears the hadori in pledge that he will fight the shadow, so long as one woman wears the ki’sain in pledge that she will send her sons to fight the Shadow. I wear the ki’sain, Master Aldragoran. My husband wears the hadori. So do you. Will Lan Mandragoran ride to the Last Battle alone? (He starts laughing, shaking, crying) He will not, my Lady. I cannot stand surety for anyone else, but I swear to you under the Light and by my hope of rebirth and salvation, he will not ride alone. (She starts to turn away-) May I offer you wine, my Lady? My wife will want to meet you. Thank you, Master Aldragoran, but I have several more towns to visit today, and I must be back in Tear tonight. (He stares after her in confusion) (The room is silent) Well, Managan, Gorenellin, do you still remember who you are? Do you remember your blood? Who rides with me for Tarwin’s Gap? Managan: The Golden Crane flies for Tarmon Gai’don. Gorenellin: The Golden Crane flies for Tarmon Gai'don! (Aldragoran laughs) The Golden Crane flies for Tarmon Gai’don!
@alexmig8267 Жыл бұрын
I just finished a memory of light and I love your videos, amazing work ! Nynaeve is also my favorite character and I'll definitely miss her ! Thanks for the great content ! :)
@dirtybirdperson40205 жыл бұрын
Birgitte and Matt are always my runaway two favorites. Imo no character has as strong a relationship between major characters that we actually get to see play put on page (instead of just hearing about) than Matrim Cauthon. He gets at least one major scene with just about every significant character besides Avienda (and even then we got a few minor scenes on thier way to Salidar just to kind of see how it plays out as well as her role in bringing Elayne around to met her debt to him and treat him better). If I had to create a list of my 10 favorite character interactions, Mat is easily in 6 of them.
@BedtimeBookworm5 жыл бұрын
This was so fun to watch! I love the system you came up with and your explanations for your rankings. I don’t think rand would be so high up on my list personally. I just feel like once we get past the beginning of the series I felt fairly distanced from him and like I didn’t understand him as well as I did the other characters. I loved who got your number 1 spot - wasn’t expecting that!
@TheRidiculousSublime5 жыл бұрын
No Moiraine? Her character arc is amazing. Her role is crucial. Crucial! Her interactions with other characters is some of the best. Her exchanges with Thom in Tear remind me of Francie and John in To Catch A Thief. Her whole image is cool Aes Sedai control but she’s a puppet master riding a bull in a hurricane. She is THE best character in the series. Rand, Nyneave, Egwene, Perrin, Matt and even Thom not only wouldn’t be alive but would not be the people they became without her influence. With LAN’s input she showed them what was required of them at every level to survive and succeed. Great work on the list but I feel Moiraine has been slighted. You honestly think Fain is better than THE Aes Sedai? I find that staggering. The greatest servant the Westlands ever had. Anyway. It’s all just opinion. Love the channel Cheers
@MrDrProfessor45 жыл бұрын
1. Matrim Cauthon 2. Rand al'Thor 3. Demandred (I know he has no PoV chapters but fighting him is what made Memory of Light so compelling for me) 4. Lan Mandragoran 5. Perrin Aybara 6. Moiraine Damodred 7. Rodel Ituralde 8. Thomdril Merrilin 9. Lanfear 10. Verin Mathwin Mine is pretty different from yours...
@brendenbarlett94513 жыл бұрын
No Telmanis?😭
@albertaguy48173 жыл бұрын
That is a good list, about what I would have put down.
I was going to amend your list slightly and argue why Min was not on it but then you put my all time favorite at the top so I decided to let it go. ;-) As for her status as Aes Sedai, I almost feel she embidies the true intent of the role as "servant to all". I think she'll be vital in the restructuring of the channelers post MoL, when men can once again be allowed to channel openly without fear. Though I would say that Min and Nynaeve plays a big part in Rand not getting worse than he gets at the end.
@talmanes45894 жыл бұрын
Only recently discovered your channel. Great work man. This is probably the first of your lists I really disagree with completely, but it isn't suprising since most of this one is a matter of opinion. Perrin, for example, wouldn't even make my top 10. I do love Nynaeve at #1 though, love her character arc and development so much.
@YoLo-kq1sq5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos man. I’ve been reading WOT for the past 12 years and it’s always good to see someone promoting the community.
@NaeBlis5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate you watching!
@darkangelziggy2865 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the GOT trolling in the background :-)
@adrianreinstein11545 жыл бұрын
Michael Ziegler lolz. Imagine reading 14 books to get to that ending 2 chapters from the last page... 🤔
@rd64163 жыл бұрын
I disagree that Matt Cauthon doesn't change through the book. Matt learns responsibility through the series, he learns to care for others, he becomes less greedy, and much more cultured. His natural intelligence is gradually revealed through the series. I would consider Matt to be one of the most insightful in the series. He just keeps the best of it to himself. I struggle with Sanderson's interpretation . Matt may choose course language but there is never any written indication (except Sanderson's own) that Matt is illiterate. Matt even talks about his favourite books, not yo mention the memories of the extremely educated people he now has access to. I would accept a shifting writing style as he moved through different people's memories, much like he and Fain do in their speech.. Matt is very smart. Sanderson can't tell the difference between a Rogue and Imbecile.
@blueeyedcowboy82915 жыл бұрын
Great list and video. Agree with most. I think Min was a better character, or at least just as good of a character as Aviendha, but I understand you had to make a list of 10 with soo many good characters. I would love to eventually see a video on Min's visions and what each one ended up meaning.
@Mangles91Tv5 жыл бұрын
Your alternate ending board made me LOL so damn hard
@Ulmo904 жыл бұрын
I have no idea how I've missed this video? Thanks for a great video, Nynaeve is one of my absolute favorites too!
@amberkelly31874 жыл бұрын
Ignoring everything else Mat was my favourite character. I always wanted to read more about him and yet he got less chapters than the rest. There is something about being morally that same country lad , albeit a rascal, thrown amongst danger, royalty, holders of magic and the fact that he stays himself that I love. He is a bad ass even when kinda freaking out. He kills very early on in the books and it doesn’t seem to weigh on him like it does Perrin and Rand. Plus, the amount of weird stuff that happens to him, his memories etc would generally mess someone up but he’s not very introspective so he just carries on. He saves Nynaeve and Egwene a few times and they never really thank him and still treat him like an idiot. Yet he loyally carries on doing it. I was disappointed in his relationship with Tuon. I wanted there to be a bit more love or more passion but it was more luck brought them together and kept them that way.
@darrellee819411 ай бұрын
Mat is the best.
@errtu1235 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe Perrin made the list. After his arc in going back to his village (in book 3 - I think?) he essentially became more and more of a love sick puppy until his sole motivation was his ridiculous toxic relationship with Faile. His arc went from a promising 10/10 to 2/10. From an interesting premise of a character, to a one-note overpowered bore. I cannot stress this enough, how Jordan romanticized his abusive, toxic relationship with Faile. Personal preference aside, he really is not original at all. He is a typical gentle giant blacksmith. Talking to wolves - again, how is that original exactly?
@GMeazza4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Plenty of other books have talking to wolves / transforming into a wolf; the Belgariad and Mallorean for example. Also as you say the gentle giant blacksmith is very common in fantasy. Every time he said 'Nothing matters except Faile' I wanted someone to punch him in the face, then punch him again just to make sure he got the message. He goes from fairly sensible to not caring if the world ends as long as he gets her back. I think Faile was the problem character, the whole Cha Faile thing was just stupid.
@user-ei8ve3dy7j5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Nynaeve at number 1. She is the Best!
@dorischoo2 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree, Nynaeve is intelligent, strong personality, brave, kind, firm, loyal, passionate. Explosive character, but honest and straight forward. Not afraid to show love to Len and all close and dear to her.
@jaredadams80694 жыл бұрын
Mat evolved from a selfish child to a hero. Id say his arc was pretty significant. RJ definitely ran him through the gamut of tropes. It was great to see him start as an immature trickster, then evolve toqards that reluctant hero trope and then finally fall into that brilliant tactician and leader.
@codykrause17535 жыл бұрын
Fun list , like your reasoning behind character.. I disagreed with placement of some but thats the beauty of this series , so many characters , so much development , people will be naturally drawn to different characters. 10. Verin.. when she reveals herself to egwene is one of my favorite moments.. 9. Thom merrilin 8. Lan 7. Lanfear 6. Egwene, once shes in the white tower and her abilities suppressed yet still triumphs made me love her character and couldnt wait to get back to her. 5. Nynaeve . Haaaaaattted her the first third of this series and she slowly grew into one of my favorites. 4. Fain. I'm in the minority here but I liked his ending , looking unstoppable but something as simple as Matt being immune brings him down with ease. If he was the main antagonist I'd have been pissed but it's almost comical how easily he ended up being disposed of 3. Perrin never got bored with Perrin, I loved that even though rand is essentially a god , Perrin ends up becoming the most powerful character in the series with his master of the wolf dream. 2. Rand, his slow progressive dive Into insanity and his overcoming of it to become zen rand was beautiful. 1.Matt , I agree with your assessment on his growth as a character but outside the first 2 books there was noone I was more excited to get back to than matt the entire series.
@NaeBlis5 жыл бұрын
Love your list. Absolute beauty of the books is we all love all these characters lol
@WaitingIdly5 жыл бұрын
Next Top Ten video: The 10 best things Mat does (but it has 300 entries)
@charlottestewart18515 жыл бұрын
would watch a top 10 mat moments :p
@enicole12033 жыл бұрын
Me at the beginning of the video: "I bet Nynaeve wins #1" Me when you announce Rand as #2: "Knew it!"😏
@Negentropy3695 жыл бұрын
I'd still put Rand 1, but Nynaeve is an easy top two for me as well. I love her so bloody much. Light! I must say that she didn't reach such high esteem in my mind until at earliest my first reread. When you reread understanding who Nynaeve is and what her core motivations are it completely changes the way you perceive her. She stopped being annoying and was more humorous and relatable in the first half of the series. One significant thing I just realized is that Nynaeve and Rand brought me to tears, especially with audiobook rereads, more times than any other characters by quite a bit. Ok this is my 3rd edit, but I want to comment on the whole list too. For the most part I'd have all the same characters as you. Elan/Ishammael/Moridin would replace Graendal as my lone forsaken, and he may be a bit higher. Also, I may have to kick Aviendha out for Lan. Otherwise I think we have very similar perspectives.
@wesleyviers62645 жыл бұрын
I understand about liking different characters more during the rereads. I've always loved Nynaeve and Egwene later in the books, but after a reread, my love and appreciation for Elayne skyrocketed and she is still in my top 10 today. Many don't like her for her noble attitude, but I think she was not only written very well, but comes off as a really strong and capable woman who isn't afraid to face adversity for the sake of her responsibilities or her friends.
@shantilaselucia81073 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you not only went for who you liked best but used these categories. It's a great list imo (though it differs quite a bit from mine) and my first two are the same =P I loved how you described Nynaeve
@charlottestewart18515 жыл бұрын
great idea for the playlists!! im currently finishing the last book for the first time
@phlatbrim27322 жыл бұрын
rewatched, one of your best works
@da3m0nic_792 жыл бұрын
The “Alternate Wheel of Time Ending” whiteboard in the background is so meta and funny because for someone who doesn’t get the joke it must sound like complete nonsense.
@Opal_Sky5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you about the breaking the seals thing between Egwene and Rand it was the one thing about her that felt inconsistent to me too!
@petersmith1343 Жыл бұрын
An Aviendha question and comment: 1. What will she do with the unexpected doting servant acquired during the Last Battle as a results of the Compulsion Rebound? 2. NB. If her children were conceived after Rand's body swop then genetically they will not be related to Elaine's children by Rand. The same will apply to any children had by Min.
@screamingunderneath4 жыл бұрын
Great list! This really made me want to reread the series... so many great characters, and Nynaeve might be my favorite fictional character of all time.
@desislavageorgieva23625 жыл бұрын
Blood and bloody ashes Perrin before Mat!!! I´m gonna riot! Edit: Good, my queen is on the top!!!!
@JanusThePaladin5 жыл бұрын
I always felt the love story between Nyneave and Lan to be very forced. "I love you." "I can't love you" "you saved my life, let's get married!" "Kay."
@tarisedai95734 жыл бұрын
Love that Nynaeve is number 1 - she has always been my absolute favourite character and I can't wait to see how she is portrayed in the TV series. Great list :)
@sdube0015 жыл бұрын
Had to pause the video to say I completely agree about Verin. I roleplayed an Aes Sedai for a while in Second Life, way back when I think, only through book 5 was out, and played a member of the brown solely because, even then, Verin was an intriguing character. Back to watching.
@RaquelShabanai4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you concerning Verin, Perrin and Egwene.
@silasclayton77775 жыл бұрын
How RJ/Sanderson wrapped up Fain's plot line was absolutely frustrating. So much potential to end in such a weak way.
@matthewsmith46475 жыл бұрын
Had to be done. Fain was OP as fuck and had to be dealt with but couldn't be seen as big a threat as The Dark One.
@abigailslade38244 жыл бұрын
It made perfect sense Matt was the only one who could stand against him even his picking up the knife was lucky.
@gabej3175 жыл бұрын
1: Mat 2: Mat 3: Mat 4: Mat 5: Mat 6: Mat 7: Mat 8: Mat 9: Mat 10: Mat
@opera995 жыл бұрын
lol
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman5 жыл бұрын
@Gabe J >>> So, what is your opinion of the character Matrim Cauthon? 😝
@jakejaeric5 жыл бұрын
Great list. I would have included an allegorical category though. Like Mat's "a guy could get killed in there" or Rand's "death is lighter than a feather, but duty is heavier than a mountain". Just 5 points though or Lini might tie with Siuan and beat the best characters.
@voodoochild1975az5 жыл бұрын
Haven't even watched yet and expecting heated debate... creating good characters was one of Jordan's deepest strengths imo.... even minor characters, like the frog faced Simion, who's brother was lostt to the wolves in The Dragon Reborn was well written and interesting.... as minor a character as there is... Yet still a good, distinct, well written character. Good characters are arguably what Jordan did best.
@Jonasdad88404 жыл бұрын
Nae'blis you don't know how much I believe in your character assessment!! I would definitely put nynaeve in the first spot too......I absolutely adore her!!
@jamesbrownii95085 жыл бұрын
Bela had better be on this list. Edited because of autocorrect changing Bela to Beta. Pfft.
@johnnystorm37472 жыл бұрын
those background posters are always worth a smile... I'd have liked to have seen Elaine's baby's born
@onlirier29933 жыл бұрын
Love the "Olver elected Dragon Reborn" thing, but I've always thought Olver was Gaidal Cain... As for Graendal being the most interesting Forsaken, I agree completely. All of the Forsaken to survive the first few books were very intresting, with the exception of Moghedien. Honestly, when Moghedien was introduced as "The Spider" I was very excited to see her in action. We never actually got to see that, though. She just appeared out of nowhere, fought Nynaeve, and then her character for the rest of the series boiled down to "I hate Nynaeve" As for Mat, I agree he's the most interesting character in the series. While complaining about how boring Crossroads of Twilight was, I remarked, "Except for Mat. Robert Jordan could write Mat watching paint dry and it would still be interesting"
@FemkevanDrooge2 жыл бұрын
YES I also think Olver is Gaidal Cain. There would've been so much potential for spinoffs if this book series instead of GoT would be filmed by HBO..
@johndunn1625 Жыл бұрын
Glad I wasn't the only person who thinks he's Gaidal Cain
@snarfmcgillicutty26165 жыл бұрын
Padan Fain certainly deserved a more epic end due to just how terrifying he was to both the light and shadow (let's not forget), but as you mentioned Sanderson finished the books and maybe he just didn't have what he needed to work in a better conclusion. He had 3 books, extensive notes apparently, but Jordan wasn't here anymore to consult. Sadly.
@matthewsmith46475 жыл бұрын
He played the role of the Necromancer.
@james358135 жыл бұрын
Mat is a completely different man than the boy that left the Two Rivers. He goes from being the one who sneers at heroes and constantly and deliberately shirks responsibility to begrudgingly, but consistently, stepping up when needed eventually becoming the 2nd or 3rd man to be mentioned in the ballad of the Last Battle. I have no idea how you're marking him down for character arc
@9252635 жыл бұрын
And giving Perin a full one, despite him more or less not changing in the least.
@Juan-il3mo10 ай бұрын
IMO Min should be a top 10, mostly cause of how ”normal” she is. Except for her title as Doomseer, she’s quite normal, And that’s what I love about her. And also what Rand loves about her. She’s a breath of fresh air, for us as readers and for Rand. She was often quite literally his lifeline to sanity, without her he would’ve collapses a long time ago, I’m sure of it. And yes I know her role is almost only to be Randa wife and biggest supporter, but I loved it cause that’s exactly what Rand needed. He didn’t need anybody powerful who could do anything he wished in the blink of an eye, he needed someone to talk to, someone who treats him like Rand, not dragon reborn. And that’s what she did. Also her seeing ability is crucial to the plot ofc, but just her character overall is amazing imo, she’s soo pure and kind. And also funny. Most of all that she just doesn’t care that Rand is the dragon reborn, like everybody else does. She’s life one of the biggest reasons to Randa development, if we only talk about character on character influence. She’s definitely not top 5, but in my list top 10 because of how unique she is and how important she was to Rands development
@michaelh96493 жыл бұрын
Really great list, man. I agree with most of it.
@travisellison70985 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about Perrin and Fail’s relationship. It is my personal favorite relationship in the books and I felt more joy when they got married then at any point in any relationship with any other characters.
@violetbliss43995 жыл бұрын
For a moment I thought you'd omit Nynaeve for Bela... /s Anyway, I agree with a lot of stuff here, and you had some great insights about the characters that I seldom hear, like with how just because a character falters in judgment, they aren't badly written but rather human. The difference between that and simply poor twists (like you say, Egwene not talking to Rand) is important. I also liked how you treated my favourite, Aviendha; I love her to bits but unfortunately she has a secondary role through most of it, serving as part of other plots rather than her own. Finally, for me it's also kind of obvious that a few characters suffered as Brandon Sanderson took over. Now don't get me wrong, I really think he was a good choice for the most part, and his passion was obvious, but I think he just either knew too little about some character plans or things fizzled out. Many of the small critiques and inconsistences that I have, come from the final books. That said, I am also a big fan of slower writing, and RJ certainly had that quality to his writing to a larger degree.
@wesleyviers62645 жыл бұрын
I agree with the assessment of Sanderson's writing. I think he did a fine job overall and I wasn't disappointed in the overall story, but he did let me down with some characters and the incredibly fast-paced writing style. The characters that he ruined most for me were Mat and Aviendha. He just didn't seem to capture their voices in the same way. I'm about to reread the last few books so I'll get another closer look at it to see if I still feel that way or if there are others I also am disappointed in. Those were the two that instantly struck me though.
@IchibanOjousama5 жыл бұрын
Aviendha is such a bitch tho
@jflafond55834 жыл бұрын
Very interesting ideas although my own grading would be much different. Really enjoy your material.
@rodofiron1005 жыл бұрын
I would have found a place for faile, (sp) I know I'm probably the oddball there, but to me she is everything I like about a woman. Strong, intelligent, willfull, pretty. She reminds me of my sister's.
@jakubcerny11383 жыл бұрын
Oh wow - for me Faile is one of the very few characters in any book when I often caught myself shaking my head at her sheer unwillingness to accept others' opinions/points of view... the Faile/Perrin relationship is also a headscratcher to me. Having said that this is probably due to my real-life people preference:-) As a point of interest... Who did you find the most annoying?
@birdee91192 жыл бұрын
Very interesting list! I just thought when talking about Verin's relationships, you would mention her relationship with Tomas, her Warder. A bit of a missed opportunity, but I guess some things can slip one by.
@danielmclaughlin55735 жыл бұрын
Bela has wings, shits fire, burns Tar Valon to the ground. Also, Olver is elected Dragon Reborn?! That's not how the story goes!
@block45625 жыл бұрын
(That's why it's an alternate ending)
@RaquelShabanai4 жыл бұрын
Even if Branson Sanderson struggled with writing Mat, I think the character voice was much more distinctive in Brandons part. He did a fantastic job with that.
@alyssap92333 жыл бұрын
My only complaint with this video is I would argue Egwene's relationship with everyone in the White Tower that develop from book 11 on should have bumped her relationship score up imo. The way she mentors and supports the novices/accepted, the way she slowly makes those above her respect her, everything.
@slaventerprise4 жыл бұрын
If I've read the series once I'd have probably cursed you about Nynaeve's first position; but having read it several times for me she's the #1 character as well - she's the only person from book 1 to book 14 to stand her ground regardless of the consequences and protect the people she loves. However not including Moiraine, taking in account her enormous influence on the majority of the other main characters I would say is a miss
@LeahB312 жыл бұрын
He rated Moraine on the same scale and I guess her total score was below 41.
@cdubbau1354 жыл бұрын
Thom Merrilin's intro in TEotW will always be one of my favorites of any character introductions in a story.
@JimmyOlsson5 жыл бұрын
Another excellent one! Bravo!
@cameronmarc1805 жыл бұрын
The characters like Elaida and Egwene were 'touched' by the evil that possessed Padan Fain. Which Fain talks about in one of his point of view chapters.
@ch3rlo_14 жыл бұрын
Yes! Of course Nynaeve!
@loganbrown4135 жыл бұрын
Ok, so I get the choices for sure. I think if I was throwing out my own list, I might end up dropping Graendal, Verin, Egwene(maybe). I might have shot for Logain, Androl, Loial. Taim was pretty fantastic as well. I just finished the series and loved the damn thing. Thanks.
@FolkSHADE5 жыл бұрын
Where. Is. Min.
@brankocolovic62575 жыл бұрын
Tom seventh? Well, that made me be one of those four for whom everyone wonders who they are.
@hhollyd665 жыл бұрын
Nynaeve is my favorite, also.
@travishighbaugh52454 жыл бұрын
Yes! Nynaeve is my favorite.
@abigailslade38244 жыл бұрын
Matt Cauthon hands down, Tigranes, Thom, Moiraine, Verin, Cadsuane, Birgitte, Loial, Noam, Satelle, Min.
@DragonRebornn Жыл бұрын
What music are you using for your intro? I’ve tried finding it but can’t. Haha.
@tarielchakhidi90754 жыл бұрын
About Padan Fain. I think that his role was clearly completed. He is owner of separate dark power. Evil, dark, but separated to the DO. End his role in this history was to make Rand understand how to clean Saidin. Both dark powers was killing each other inside Rand. It's very similar to the power of Light. One Source - two different powers - Saidin and Saidar. Darkness had the power of DO and power of Shadar Lagoth.
@matttonkthetank56195 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Love your videos!
@ktbaduk4 жыл бұрын
Am I honestly the only person who enjoyed all of Perrin's arcs but found Egwene boring?
@joshuapearce76583 жыл бұрын
Egwene was not only boring but extremely hard to warm to. The more powerful she became the less likeable she was. Dishonest, manipulative and lusting after power
@pueblonative5 жыл бұрын
Androl Genhald. Nuff said.
@dreamer22605 жыл бұрын
Rand reigns supreme for me; none of the other characters even come close.
@9252635 жыл бұрын
Perin for me gets MUCH lower points. 5 for Arc, 10 for uniqueness, 3 for story (He appears A LOT, but basically does nothing and helps the forces of Light in 0 ways.It's like he's a side quest), 5 for relationships and 0 for entertaining.He is the main thing that made reading the series so slow for me. He should not be on this list. Egwene should never get anything more than 7 for entertaining. You said this WOULDN'T be just your personal favorites, but then you just proceeded to name your personal favorites. IMO: Mat > Rand > Nynaeve > Graendal > Egwene > Lanfear > Aviendha > Thom > Moridin > Cadsuane
@adamdrew11435 жыл бұрын
Do a video on how brilliant the plot device of taveren is
@pearse91165 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of Ta'veren so much. I remember reading The Hobbit and one of the biggest things that annoyed me were the sheer coincidences, everything just fell in to place and that made me enjoy the book less. Ta'veren removes that annoyance while keeping coincidence a thing, so elegantly.
@craftybookdragon6845 жыл бұрын
Yeay Nynaeve!!!
@jnew425 жыл бұрын
See there are so many great characters it is hard to really even narrow them down. Moirane, Gaul, Hopper and twenty five more...I would end with fifteen tenth spots.
@stefansalo65712 ай бұрын
as a swede who loves food or as we say in swedish mat so yeah that is atleast 50% of the reason why mat is my fav
@jefferynordgulen44365 жыл бұрын
At the very end when egwane gets the flame of tarvalon it did sort of become a bit of a Mary Sue.
@michaelnielson39785 жыл бұрын
My only disagreement is Matt's story arch score. I'd have given him at least 13 if not a full 15. But I understand your perspective
@ryansparrelldrums3 жыл бұрын
The whiteboard quotes are always amazing
@abigailslade38244 жыл бұрын
Matts character arc deserves more than 10.
@viniciusrocio64 жыл бұрын
personally egwene should be really low on relationship and entertaiment
@rohit_7777 Жыл бұрын
Loyal IS THE BEST CHARACTER NO DEBATE😤
@joelcollett99434 жыл бұрын
Agree Nynaeve is number one!
@hazardsoftech5 жыл бұрын
My favorite is Mat, but I agree that Nynaeve is totally the best character. I don't like her in some books and love her in others.
@IchibanOjousama5 жыл бұрын
how can you not like her, best girl
@mikenahmias710226 күн бұрын
If Mat's not #1 I'm putting the Dragon's Fang on your door.