I'd like this. It would make the Tyranids the second-best good guys lol

Thinking of the Tyranids conquering worlds one by one to quite literally zip up the Eye of Terror excites me. It would force the Imperium to make peace with the fact that they'll never be rid of the Nids and there's nothing they can do about it. Kill them and the eye opens back up but leave them and there will forever be the looming threat of a Tyranid stronghold that stretches the entire length of the galaxy. Hive Fleets could retreat to this stretch of space using the Tiamat Tower worlds as safe havens where they can adjust their plans of attack, but at the same time they wouldn't be able to regrow their armies on these worlds without putting the towers at jeopardy since they require entire biospheres to sustain them. Any fleet bold enough to try to steal from these worlds would be met with violent retaliation from the forces of Tiamat resulting in some interesting Tyranid on Tyranid combat. Would make for some excellent lore progression of the galaxy if you ask me.

I'm adding this to my head-canon. It's the sort of thing GW would tease but fail to do; lest it draw attention away from loyalist power armour. To keep the plot alive, 40k needs a great game in realspace. It only makes sense that a devastated Imperium would focus on rebuilding and reconquest whilst chaos withers before new hive fleets/new behaviours. Then a great waaagh would rise for a good krumpin' with the gribblies. And so on.

GW usually paints chaos as the ultimate bad guys because they have faces and personality that you can relate to but in the end the tyranids would probably emerge as the actual winners

Playing off that, that’s a very direct and easy way to transition the Tyranids into a whole different kind of problem. Imagine: The Tyranids finally develop the ability to feed off pure warp energy and corrupted real space alike. Realizing that the warp is literally an all you can eat buffet, they decide that the best way to eat the universe is to chomp on the chaos gods ass until they get enough data to advance their species even more in the ways of warp munching. By the time the chaos gods look up from the great game and whatever scheme Abbadon comes up, it’ll be just in time to get swarmed by warp Tyranids that literally eat the corruption out of chaos. In a decent reality this would mean the warp is clean now, warp magic is safe now! But this is 40k. The galaxy might want the ruinous powers back if the Tyranids shape the warp to match their own hive minded psyche. The oceans of the warp would turn into a Kaleidoscope of fractured perspective and pure hunger. Fuckkkkk that. That’s such an L for the galaxy, I really hope the Tyranids never figure out of how get fuel from just the warp. If they learn how to slurp soul energy like a smoothie we are all fuckef

Like a Cicada Maledictum?

@@paulpolito2001 *the Ordos Punitarius would like to know your locatio

Could it be a defense for whatever they are running away from??? 🤔

@@Raptorrat lol, that was a bad one. Sorry all.

I'm pretty sure it is some sort of intergalactic Tyranid beacon, it is the only thing the Hive Fleets have not tried to build on their own.

It might be an egg of some sort, a superweapon. Maybe even a physical avatar or manifestation of the Hivemind Itself. Or even better, the old theories from the fanbase were correct, the Tyranids were made by the Old Ones and that construct is some kind of sarcophagus. Who knows? This is one of the trump cards that GW likes to keep around in case they ever wish to flip the table between editions.

@@bigbangrafa8435 I feel like it would be far more likely if the Tyranids made the old ones. Think about it. The old ones seeded the galaxy for all life for no reason, and were masters of psychic energy. Now they're gone and the tyranids who can counter psychic energy roll up and devour all life in the galaxy. It makes sense, but is also kinda horrifying as it means the tyranids are farmers, just on a GALACTIC scale

@@notvonbayern9202 I actually really like this idea

@@notvonbayern9202 I still like the idea that the Old Ones made the tyranids as a sort of collection mechanism so that all the time the old ones spent creating different species wouldn't go to waste.

The Tyranids building a star-system-sized bioform? I like it!

@@Zaprozhan Reminds me of the Necron's planet sized Siege Engine.

It seems like the next evolutionary process once they ran out of bio matter to consume. Kinda like mass effect? They seed some worlds, got to sleep and some thousand years they come back to harvest

a lot of space elves died trying to prevent this, so its entirely possible that the bugs try it again

Ah, and here I was hoping to not have nightmares.

Farming is where it’s at!

KARL! Is that a meat tower? *I don't know what you are talking about.* I don't why I'm even surprised anymore after the face thing yesterday. *I was very disappointed by that. I expected the nuclear explosion to cook those faces.*

But the Nids from Tiamet aren't red?

@@maxc.8340 But they are green, which everyone knows is the best colour.

@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper green means go. Source: Trust me, silly Humie ah Ha ha WAAAG

I look forward to the rise of the Norn Empress upon the Giblet Throne of Tiamat.

How do you eat a gellar field?

And you're certainly their favourite biomass! ♡

that mage seem to be a logical answer given the system it self.

The tyranid hive ships grow new hive ships themselves they sort of give birth to them some tyranid hive ships grow a mew ship if a specific hive ship gets destroyed like a new synapse control ship for example. The tiamet towers could be turning the tiamet worlds into massive hive ship carriers perhaps so you might not be wrong

The great devourer is a galactic neuron cell, Tiamet is either akin to its dendrite, an axon or an astrocytic glial cell.

The World Eaters too, I can imagine.

yes definitely, they are the perfect counter too the tyranids

To be honest they wouldn't really stand a chance. We are still talking one marine to one carnifex here, and I am sorry but if one carnifex can murder hundreads of ultramarines, I think it can kill one death guard...

The Emperors children would have alot of expertise when it came to fighting adaptive and savage xenos like the Megaracnids and the Laer.

@@pauliusthemad3498 the death gaurd would have numberd in the tens of thousands and specilize in toxic environments. To be fair any of the original legions could probably take on a hive fleet.

I like that theory, both that each fleet is acting with purpose for a greater collective agenda and the recreating their homeworlds or some sorta ideal environment/breeding ground.

I doubt it, most of the Hive FLeets do the same thing (consume biomass) just using different attack methods. Also, why would the Nids terraform a few planets while devouring hundreds more? They could easily just overwhelm a single planet, reinforce it, then move on.

Or provide a safe haven in the event that the hive fleets are pushed back. A permanent beachhead/stronghold for the swarm.

Chronos is my my most favorite because of its range tactics and specializing in psykers which is perfect for fighting demons. 👌

@@messageinthebottle1673 honestly they are small and specialized but I like how effective they are. I would play the 2 for tabletop but lore wise I know Leviathan is king especially after they emerge from the Octarius empire of the Orks.

Ouroboros is on my radar with Tiamet. Oro is sad to be Ancient with records dating back to 36-37m

@@eichler721 right now gazgutz thraka is helping them out soooo it can change into the ork favor, Kronos I'm certain they will grow stronger 💪 because of their high effectiveness against choas.

@@messageinthebottle1673 we will see but they just had Ragnar a captain in the Space Marines beat him so who knows with GW.

scary to think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg, so to speak!

The great devourer is representative of a neurone cell, Tiamet are its dendrites.

Mind Blown! a very cool theory!

good question! if they could use the Webway surly no one would see them coming...... scary!

Can a tyranid even enter into the webway? It is still technically part of the warp and we know how the hive mind can "disable" it temporarly by casting a massive shadow into it I can see gene stealers entering into the webway for the tyranids but im not sure of the normal nyds can do the same

God's universe scale Ctrl+Alt+Delete button?

@@_Saracen_ I have the feeling they are more like Crtl+X. Created as a last measure of the old one to "fight" the Necrons/C'tan. They devour everything and assimilate the genetical code. And starve the C'tan so of the souls/energy they would need. I would not be suprised if the old ones intended to use all this genetical material, once the Necrons/C'tan were bested, to regrow/repopulate the galaxy. But like with the orks they forgot to install a save system or an off button and now s**t is hitting the fan big time. And no one is there anymore to press Crtl+V afterwards.

Interesting. Having no opposition in a dead galaxy, seeding dead worlds with mountain-sized creatures could be easily used to create more bioships to contribute to the already huge hive fleets on their way out.

@@AloneD.Walker following your lines of thinking, could be the old ones didn't bother to install a save system or off button, because they assumed some of the old ones' race would be around to actively control them. That assumption of old one survival can also be applied to how/why the krorks have devolved into orks.

The C'tan are not psychic though. They are the embodiment of the materium and are absolutely opposed to the warp

@@Demigodish4o3 I'll admit I am not versed at all on the Ctan but with the need for psychic powers to turn the tide in the war which brought the Eldari wouldn't it be logical to say that they have atleast some connection to it?

Ooo I like that, gets the brain juices flowing.

@@_Saracen_ thankyou if it wasn't for 40K Theories, Arch 'warhammer' and Emperors TTS they basically suggest it

Aye Inquisitor!!

Adaptation, Tyranids M.O, The Hive Fleets are just scouting to get the measure of this Galaxy, I like your thinking!

Seems legit.

Speaking of Zerg iseaki, read “Her Majesty’s Swarm”

"Awaken my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright. Know that I am the Tiamet meat tower; the eternal will of the Swarm, and that you have been created to serve me. Behold that I shall set you amongst the greatest of my Hive Fleets, that you might benefit from their biomass and experience. Yet your purpose is unique. While they carry forth my will to the innumerable Broods, you have but one charge entrusted to your care. For I have found a creature that may yet become the greatest of my agents..." "IT IS I, CATO SICARIUS!"

"Cuz oi goh ah bran' noo comboin 'arvester"

I agree, Tiamet a farmer.

@ Rodney Kelly and this also helps the tyrinids in the long run rather than destroy everything is better having food that not only evolves and adapts but can also in theory have an infinite number of food 🥘 as if they just eat everything then what will you eat when your food ran out

@@40KTheories an oi'll gi you tha biomass

*Tassadar.

@@40KTheories d'oh I forgot😭. Still don't forgive Blizzard for keeping him alive in LOTV and making his sacrifice worthless.

This was actually specifically the case for the Devastation of Baal, according to Lord Wolf Ro. His video on it is particularly fascinating.

@@BlueKatanaWarrior ill have to check that out

The higher-up ones are fully sapient beings and feel a full range of emotions. There's also a scene in a novel somewhere of a psyker getting a glimpse into a Tyranid warrior's mind, and it is just *so damned proud* of its heritage as a genetically perfect being, with its DNA selected from millions of different creatures so it can fight and die for the Hive as effectively as possible.

Yup, each Hive Fleet has a unique colour scheme (mainly for tabletop variety I imagine)

@@40KTheories call it genetic diversity haha

@@40KTheories It is possible that they are turning into something akin to the Zerg Swarm?

Hippie Tyranids!

@@poodlescone9700 Homesteader Tyranids.

Tryanid Motel Six: We'll leave a space marine burning for you.

How it feels to know that nekowho is a main character in age of sigmar together with zuvasin and hashut and of course the great horned rat hehehehe

@@chosenofkhorne2951 *turns hat around on head* Giant Horned Rat, I choose you! Pokeball go! *Cataclysmic doom ensues.*

The "first" planet/system they were documented by the Imperium in is/was Tyran, which is pronounced as tie-ran. All that being said, "teeranids" sounds better to my ears.

Yeah I thought it was Tyr-a-nids. Tyr pronounced like tear ... Like a tear that you cry. Does that make sense? Lol. Not Tie-rah-nids.

Chaos Nids..... If they didn't scare me before, they do now!

That's just halo

It's starting to kinda look that way, the another weapon against the warp thing anyway. Wouldn't be surprised given their abilities. But the theory that the 'nids have gobbled up every other galaxy in the universe and they're coming in from all sides thing is so damn terrifying, that it would probably be more appropriate for 40k.

0 evidence and most lore goes against this

@@Symbioteposion No lore goes against it. As for evidence, direct evidence? No, you are right, there is none. But indirect evidence? Plenty. Take what's actually known about them. Tyranids come from outside the galaxy. Some lore suggests that the Tyranids are the ones that seeded much in not all of the life in the galaxy. Tyranids are purely biological beings known for their bio-engineering abilities. Tyranids are controlled by entirely warp based hive minds. Tyranids are obsessed with collecting biomatter (far more than their fleets require) and genetic information. Tyranids are often best thought of not as individual entities but as cells within a larger body. Now I ask you this, if the Old Ones who left the galaxy during the War in Heaven or even long before then, the same Old Ones who were said to have seeded much if not all of the life in the galaxy and ascended to become purely warp based entities themselves, the same old ones who were the undisputed masters of biological manipulation and who created countless races simply to perform a role or a task that they required, if those Old Ones were to return to the galaxy what would it look like? To manipulate the materiel universe they'd need physical bodies of course, robust ones, ones not easily killed, weakened or subverted. Being weak to warp based attacks they'd need some kind of defence against warp predators. Why would they come back? To "fix" the galaxy, quell the realm of souls and end the Chaos Gods by wiping it clean of life, and then reseed and repopulate it again, this time keeping a more careful watch. Tell me that a giant hive of beings all slaved to a single overriding will acting like cells of a single larger organism, an organism that is constantly reworking and adapting itself, that comes from beyond the galaxy, that consumes all life, that takes in all DNA it can and in all forms, that leaves empty dead inert worlds in its wake, that projects a shadow in the warp that is nearly impenetrable. Tell me that that doesn't sound like exactly the sort of thing the return of the old ones would look like.

The Tyronidz

I would say that was The Necrons, because Tera could be a Tomb world!

living beings sacrificed to fuel mysterious installations, yeah that's quite a parallel. But maybe in this early stage Tiamat's construct is those pilgrims are sufficient because only their biomatter is needed. maybe they gonna need something stronger when these things are complete. But Tyranids already have these psykic bioforms so they can spawn them if needed. looking at the imperium, if common citizens would be suitable fuel for Big E's throne there would be no need for shipping in dangerous psykers. Common citiziens flock to Terra in their millions, dropping dead arriving at the eternity gate.

@@phreakazoith2237 we understand the so little about the golden Thorne's function, we dont know if those that die before the eternity gate AREN'T helping in powering it. We do know almost nothing, only that psykers are used to power the throne and it's dangerous to be around. What of the danger is that it sucks out anyone's soul that comes to close to power itself? All humans except for Nulls are at least latent psykers in 40k, albeit very weak ones relatively speaking. Additionally, strong belief has power independently of psychic powers in 40k, so people who believe hard enough to get to the eternity gate in spite of knowing that it's a death sentence have to be contributing to the god emporer somehow, similar to how the sisters can perform miracles if their faith is collectively strong enough. And there are thousands of them, a never ending horrific death march to the door, never wavering, never ceasing, by their tens of thousands they come all to die before Him. If singing some hymns and believing really hard has the tangible effect of diverting bullets and spawning in living saints there is absolutely no way those people make their shambolic pilgrimages isnt doing SOMETHING.

Parts of their fleet did randomly show up in Segmentum Obscurus at some point, which is halfway across the galaxy.

If a bunch of 'Nid fleets keep stopping by, it might function as a more general intelligence and research hub as well - a place where all the information they've gathered in the galaxy can be dropped off, examined, and relevant data and analysis can be transferred in maximum detail. Might also be a command post, trying to keep the various fleets working towards the same goal.