Yup..look at the suns smh

@@patrickjeffers7864that owner still tryna gaslight everyone

Nets: traded their depth away and star center J. Allen for Harden who leaves team in shambles. Suns: traded depth away and ended up with the failed durant/booker/beal big 3 Clippers: traded everything for PG13. He never fit w/kawhi who is made of glass The only team who got away with it was LAL because they bought top5 superstars who fit w/each other and veterans like rondo and danny green & still needed 6 games vs a depleted 5th seed. The lesson is that mortgaging future only works if the superstars are strong fits and they can get playoff-level veterans who are willing to take discounts to ring chase.

@vulcanraven9701 idk if the lakers got away with it. I think they would much rather have all those pieces than the one hollow championship a bunch of mediocre seasons and no future.

@@dash4800 very true

He was amazing on that team.....their best player

For sure. I’m not even a Pacers fan, but I’m glad that they’re finally finding success again with Tyrese, Myles, and Siakam.

They call him "Pre Injury P"

No lie would be a good fit to go back

@@QuietNDriveif u think about it every 10 years indiana has a near legendary team since the 90s have a combination of players and different eras

You trade for him so you have someone to blame.

SGA was a rookie when he was traded. NOBODY projected him as a top 20 player let alone MVP candidate. He was supposed to be another Tyreke Evans.

i disagree. he was a rookie but was already playing quite good as the season progressed. He became a better passer in OKC but he always was going to be a good scorer

He has been doing that for five years. He is an overrated fraud.

we just signed him to a stupid extension and he's pretty much a walking injury at this point but i could see a team like orlando, cleveland, sacramento or some team like that wanting him in a trade. and i would be all for it.

I think that's what people forgot about the Heat and the Warriors when they were winning championships. They had big threes, but both teams also had structure from top to bottom.

@@manzac112 Structure has been a great part of all winning teams.

​@@manzac112 They had top 3 players and good role players and good injury luck. All the superteams that failed were missing at least one of those The top many roosters was really only a problem for one team -- the 2004 Lakers -- and that pre-dated Malone and GP. The reality is lots of teams win in spite of players not accepting their role but they do it because the team is winning. Kobe and Shaq were publicly fighting with each other and won anyway. Kareem resented Magic. McHale resented Bird. KD wasn't happy in GS. Pippen hated being an underpaid second fiddle and still takes shots at MJ to this day. Kyrie demanded a trade. Ray Allen doesn't speak to half the Celtics anymore. I could go on.

​@michaelahurt The Ray Allen one us not fitting. They cut him off because he jumped ship to the Heat to become a role player.

@@joebenson528 Rondo and Ray weren't getting along way before that. It was part of why he left. But yes as far as I'm aware KG and Pierce didn't have a problem with him until he left. I could have framed that more clearly

yeah sabonis and oladipo went to the pacers and started balling out the minute they got there. to be fair, most rookies make a leap the next year, but i wonder what that thunder team would've looked like if they had gotten more touches.

Them giving up 5 first rounders and SGA for Paul George looked like them fleecing the Thunder to you? I think even in the moment it looked like a lot but people justified it because they also signed Kawhi.

It looked like a win win trade. What the hell are you supposed to get for Paul George cause they clearly got more than enough.

People who actually watch basketball never thought the clippers won the trade because we all know Paul George is a playoff dropper

@@4ktkaram395 I agree, people who actually watch basketball knew this trade wasn't good for clippers. Shai was really good as a rookie and looked very promising against GSW before he got traded.

@@musikkluvelectrobanger I never thought shai would be an MVP candidate, but you could tell he was gonna be a good player, but I was shocked at the amount of draft capital, they gave up for a guy that disappears in big moments

Lol, I was there too. What a time.

Steve Balmer cares about the Clippers and is a good owner. The problem was they spent too much and got unlucky.

OKC had them over a barrel since Kawhi wasn't going to sign without PG. And even still 4-5 firsts for Kawhi -- who was considered the best player on the planet -- and 3-4 for PG -- who had just finished third in MVP voting -- wasn't too high a price. (And that's really how you need to think about it because signing Kawhi and keeping SGA was not an option. Not that anyone thought SGA would ever be better than PG) If anything considering what teams paid for Gobert and Dejounte Murray shortly thereafter it was a steal. Sometimes you just get unlucky. That's life and that's sports. Hell Minnesota made a horrible trade for Gobert and needed like 5 different things to go exactly right to get here and now they are winning. It's all luck. San Antonio is a "winning" franchise because of f**king lottery balls. GS is a "winning" franchise because Draymond Green randomly turned out to be the perfect guy to play with Steph Curry, who himself was a lucky pick because he should have been drafted at 6. Detroit traded Grant Hill and asked for John Amaechi but Orlando insisted on Ben Wallace; then the same GM drafted Darko over Wade or Bosh. Chicago was a "winning" franchise because Portland took Sam Bowie. Denver drafted a 3 time MVP in the second round. Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck. Luck. It's all random. There are well run and poorly run teams but 90% if it is luck. Getting the right pick in the right year, being in the right place at the right time, and acquiring a guy who changes your luck.

@@michaelahurt Excuse me? Unlucky? That's your excuse for teams not winning championships? Once, unlucky, twice, maybe, three times or more is pattern. So if you read you correctly then , Celtics and Lakers were lucky? Come on dude, get real

​@@michaelahurt It was a very bad trade because of PG13's playoff history. First and second round exits in which he played mediocre. The Clips gave away too much. I say this as an OKC fan. They should have sent only the picks and told OKC to walk if that wasn't enough. I say the same if some team wants us to trade our core players for one single player... for example, the Jazz wanted JDub and a ridiculous amount of picks for Lauri Markanen.... GTFOH!!!!

@@luisrodriguez-mb7cc Considering 10 superstars account for 33 of the 43 titles since 1980, well, yes. If you weren't lucky enough to have one (or two) of those ten -- and aren't the Pistons -- you probably don't have a championship. Certainly bad owners and bad executives exist who make short sighted trades and continually mis-evaluate players. I'm not saying David Kahn, Ernie Grunfeld, Elgin Baylor, Isiah Thomas, etc. were secretly good executives. Or at Donald Sterling, George Shinn, Robert Sarver, Ted Stepien, etc. aren't awful owners. And there are good owners and good GM's -- Jerry Buss, Red Auerbach, Pat Riley -- but they are further and fewer between than we pretend. (Although good coaches are definitely a thing.) It's hard to argue with Auerbach who hand picked Russell and Bird -- trading to get Russ and drafting Bird a year early -- or that Jerry Buss was instrumental in making the Lakers the Lakers which led to Shaq, Kobe, LeBron and AD. And how Riley developed Spo and created Heat Culture. But I mean the Lakers dynasty was based on the then New Orleans Jazz signing an aging Gail Goodrich and then the league _post facto_ giving LA multiple draft choices as compensation -- part of the league's plan to kill free agency -- and then one of those draft picks turning into Magic Johnson. Oh and they had #1 pick not #2 because LA won a literal *COIN TOSS* But that is something other than luck? Seriously? The Lakers entire brand is built on something that was completely out of their control. (Of course the irony is the NBA later blocked LA from acquiring Chris Paul from the new New Orleans franchise which led to them getting Pau Gasol who helped them win two more titles.) Yes, teams are unlucky too. When Detroit gets the #1 pick in the year it's Cade not Ant or Wemby that's unlucky. The entire Markelle Fultz situation is wildly unlucky. So is Ben Simmons having a mid-career mental breakdown. So is Derrick Rose tearing everything in his knee. The KD, Harden and Irving Nets and the Kawhi-PG Clippers were both undone by injuries and a once per century global plague! How is that anything but unlucky?

Lol true

They really are

Hey as a Suns fan I take offense. We are just as much the Nets of the west as the Clippers are!

It's the Nets and it's not close. We thought Kawhi was the best player in the world in 2019. People were comparing him to Michael Jordan. And PG was his Scottie. The idea you wouldn't trade the 11th pick in the 2018 draft and a bunch of firsts to pair the best player (at 28) with a top 3 MVP finisher (at 29) --- _NOT_ doing that trade would have been malpractice. Whereas KG and Pierce were 37 and 36. It isn't *REMOTELY* the same thing.

@@michaelahurt the people who compared kawhi to Jordan were imbeciles

the problem is the PG trade set themselves up for failure. No draft picks, and two stars who dont even fit with each other. One of them has injury history. How else could it end?

And then they traded him the Magic, where he became a key contributor to a playoff contender.....Just damn....

How exactly can that pattern be followed? They drafted Kevin Durant -- one of the top 15 prospects ever -- and then the best player in the world said he'd only sign with LA if they traded for PG who just so happened to be in OKC. And then they got the #2 pick in the year where the absolute perfect player for their play style was sitting. You might as well follow the pattern you won six titles with and just draft the best player ever. But you do need to rebuild. Unfortunately you're closer to where Detroit was when they started their rebuild than where OKC was in terms of assets

Da Bulls and Da Bears will always suck…

i agree. the trade was fine. it's really been the fact that their superstar has been injured for years. what else really matters?

Clippers are a superteam who didn’t lose because of talent they loss cause of luck😂they were and still are better then any team on the west they just get fucked situations at the worst moments with injury if they’re healthy they beat ur fav team by 30💀only team who probaly could’ve competed with healthy clips is heat jus cause of Jimmy u don’t know ball

I would rather be stuck with a team like 18-19 clippers for the next 30 years than to have to root for PG13 for one more season. I can’t stand the fact he plays on my team.

It's up there, but it would be much worse if Trae was an absolute bust

It's pretty hard though to judge talent when they are raw though.

What have they won?

Exactly, like why is it a situation where you HAVE to do it?

Imo 2 things really hurt this trade for the clippers: 1. Presti likely knew they were in on the Kawhi sweepstakes and could milk them for more just cause of that 2. As he says in the video, PG just had an MVP/DPOY level season so just by himself was a hot commodity

​@@listo393 and PG wanted to leave, so 🤷🏿‍♂️

The irony is this yrs playoff seeding. The direction of the 2 teams.

If PG did join, we weren’t gonna get AD. Glad he stayed in OKC

Well we dont have to wonder if PG signs with Lakers this offseason

Yea like bro said. If we got pg then we probably resign Lopez that offseason

He still would've been Wayoff P.

Agreed, but throwing in all of those picks for one player was a mistake, even. despite PG having an incredible season

they won a ring though. you rather get 1 ring in 10 years than be like the clippers and have 0 rings in 60 years

The issue was PG has a huge baggage with OKC. Max with 2 years left. Sam Presti isn't going to let PG walk with out something. Even if Shai stay. I doubt Doc Rivers care about development him. Shai to OKC was best for him. Bottom line PG wasn't that guy. Or worth that much trade. Even if they made to WCF.

@@stump4522 I've always known PG was never going to be "the guy" since back in his Pacers days. It won't matter what team he's in, he just doesn't blend well anywhere.

Yep exactly, and I don't like the narrative that the Gobert trade was good deal because the Wolves are finally playing well....that was still waaay too many picks for Gobert and it will come back to bite them

Agreed, but it wasn't just for Shai.....5 first round picks and two pick swaps to go with it

He was a hell of a player in the clippers but guess not good enough

Completely agree, I actually made a video on why this type of trade will never happen again, regardless of the superstar. Too risky when it comes to injuries

Having better chemistry, great defensive coaching, and most of your players progressing perfectly will do that to a team.

I did make a video on how I was wrong about the Wolves, but I still think that was a horrible trade and won't pay off in the long run when you consider how many picks they shipped out for a player over 30 that isn't a superstar

@@And.One.Hoops1 I must’ve missed it. We were all saying that too lol. But you know what, I would rather do that than trade for Vooch. At least Gobert plays defense. Vooch doesn’t play defense and has lost his offense. And Wolfs are close to a chip. We can’t say that.

Lol no he didn’t

I doubt it. He jus b chattin. Heeza meat head 4sure!!!! 😭😭😭😭

Yeah, for now. The Thunder have been rebuilding