The Trainer #50: How to use current as a troubleshooting aid

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Motor Age

8 жыл бұрын

There are four basic ways an electrical circuit can fail and at least three out of the four share one thing in common - current flow!
An open circuit will result in no current flow. Excessive resistance in the circuit will result in lower than normal current flow. And a short to ground before the load will most definitely result in higher than normal current flow!
What else can affect current flow? What about the work the circuit is doing?
Starters, fuel pumps, blowers, window motors - all will demand more or less current depending on the load they are trying to overcome. For example, a fuel pump that is trying to move fuel from an empty tank (sucking air) will draw very little current while one trying to push fuel past a restricted filter will demand much more - so measuring current in this circuit can provide even more diagnostic information not necessarily related to an electrical failure.
What about relay controlled circuits? If an ECU doesn't see all the needed requirements to activate a relay, the controlled component won't function. Think of an A/C compressor as an example. The ECU will not allow compressor operation of the refrigerant charge is too low. That can be seen by looking for the current flow in the control side of the relay. A shorted compressor clutch coil will draw more current but not build sufficient magnetic strength to engage the compressor. That can be seen in the current flow on the component side of the relay. And if the current flow is normal? Perhaps the clutch is mechanically defective or the air gap is too great.
Again, current is being used as a diagnostic aid in determining the root cause of the problem!
There are several other ways current can be used for diagnostics. What applications can you think of? Check out the February 2016 The Trainer video!
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@davidche554
@davidche554 3 жыл бұрын
Pete the work that you are doing for the work is nothing short of amazing you are extremely clear when you talk and your knowledge is awesome. I've seen a lot of your vids
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Jay-vi7el
@Jay-vi7el 10 ай бұрын
Love the way you explain in detail!
@cliffmac715
@cliffmac715 Жыл бұрын
What an amazing man. You are a superb teacher my man.
@isitreal1459
@isitreal1459 7 жыл бұрын
i'm getting better and better with Motor age. Great VIDEO!! Pete.
@thomasldeanjr3337
@thomasldeanjr3337 4 жыл бұрын
I always learn something with Pete.
@aviationist
@aviationist 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, I wish I'd seen this a year ago before I deployed to Turkey and blew the fuse in my multimeter taking an amperage reading on a kc-135 fuel pump circuit. We couldn't get another fuse for almost 6 weeks! It only took a split second of not paying attention to blow that fuse.
@joehead1294
@joehead1294 4 жыл бұрын
Should of got a turk over at the alley to repair that fuse for you.
@FranciscoGO1980
@FranciscoGO1980 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent training, thanks motorage.
@vicpetrishak7705
@vicpetrishak7705 5 ай бұрын
Fuse socket connector manufactured by General Technologies Corp . are very handy to use . 6 PC. Set $20.00 Amazon 6/29/24 Thank You Pete !
@brentsido8822
@brentsido8822 8 жыл бұрын
that is sweet I work with electronics all the time even as an electrician for a bit, I had not seen the small gauge clamp on before.
@jgeorges3061
@jgeorges3061 8 жыл бұрын
GOOD INFO AS ALWAYS.
@jakestyles3412
@jakestyles3412 2 жыл бұрын
excellent video
@michaeljohn8905
@michaeljohn8905 6 жыл бұрын
Great info thanks 👍
@nickayivor8432
@nickayivor8432 2 жыл бұрын
Pete Meier motor age Good Afternoon take care and have a great day 👍 Good tutorial 👌 👍 👏 thank you From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
@airplanegeorge
@airplanegeorge 5 жыл бұрын
well I didn't know about the record and the min max, I bet I can use that for something, thanks.
@rafitasmartinez
@rafitasmartinez Жыл бұрын
Great info.
@lionheartautomotive
@lionheartautomotive 7 жыл бұрын
Great training video Mr.Meier. by far you have some of the best training video on KZfaq. your video on reading electrical diagrams and understanding power n ground distribution wow that was great. I notice you use different (DMM) which ones are your favorite that you're using in your videos?
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine 7 жыл бұрын
My stand by was an older UEI that I've had for years. That finally gave up the ghost and died, so I'm on the lookout for a new one myself.
@lionheartautomotive
@lionheartautomotive 7 жыл бұрын
smiling sorry. when you find your new one can point me in that direction? you have new student love your training video's
@allanthomson4639
@allanthomson4639 Жыл бұрын
thanks
@engamen87
@engamen87 8 жыл бұрын
nice job man
@romanjaspe4172
@romanjaspe4172 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much teacher
@embreesmith7613
@embreesmith7613 7 жыл бұрын
thanks ..!! I did learn something .. :)
@jscons7424
@jscons7424 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mr Man…
@mccoyji
@mccoyji Жыл бұрын
Ohhh, u definitely need a multimeter on that dodge...🤣🤣 Can't imagine how many electrical problems that truck has...
@James-fs4rn
@James-fs4rn 2 жыл бұрын
👍 thanks!
@creative3881
@creative3881 Жыл бұрын
Amazing 🤩
@carlosmejia5728
@carlosmejia5728 5 жыл бұрын
How can amps draw be related to figure out if there's no refrigerant since the a/c compressor is not driven by an electric motor and the electricity is solely used by the magnetic clutch to engage the compressor shaft to the pulley driven by the crankshaft...to me there's no correlation, am I wrong?
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine 5 жыл бұрын
Watch the video again...we're not trying to measure the amount of refrigerant but if the refrigerant level is low, the ECM will not turn the relay on (along with other parameters it needs to see before allowing compressor operation). If that's the case, there will be no current flow through the control side of the relay.
@rickyduarte7599
@rickyduarte7599 6 ай бұрын
He has the meter set too volts and the red led is in the ohms-volt port and the screen shows Amps.
@artyfuffkin7805
@artyfuffkin7805 9 ай бұрын
The fact that he uses the term power ( as in the power wire ) and ground (as in a A/C system
@artyfuffkin7805
@artyfuffkin7805 9 ай бұрын
Ground or neutral wire) sure makes me think he has not been to any good auto electrics course ,as they do not use the ground term or power wire the neg and positive side flow current ,and in that order
@ericheine2414
@ericheine2414 5 жыл бұрын
What's it mean if my fuse is hot to the touch? It's an older vehicle with the older fuses. I put my finger on the fuse and it feels hot. Does this mean I should check my grounds. And then my fuse is getting warm because of additional resistance?
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine 5 жыл бұрын
Fuses are thermal devices and fail when the heat caused be current in excess of their rating melts the fuse strip. Measure the current in the circuit(s) that fuse protects to make sure they are working as they are supposed to.
@psicopatalucifer
@psicopatalucifer 8 жыл бұрын
cool.!!
@7minnow
@7minnow Жыл бұрын
Mr Pete, little confused on the current analysis, you said if the pumps running freely you would have low resistance shouldn’t it be high current, you said low current . An you said if you had a restriction in the line or filter it would be high current, shouldn’t it be low current . Am I understanding this wrong? Your the Best love your videos
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine Жыл бұрын
I'm referring to the amount of work the pump has to do. If there is no fuel being moved, it takes very little to get the pump spinning. If it is trying to push fuel past a restriction, it will have to work harder and that will require more current.
@66crush9
@66crush9 7 жыл бұрын
fantastic info, and the tool guy is obsolete now days... LOL
@kevinferrell1739
@kevinferrell1739 5 жыл бұрын
2000 jeep cherokee,,, if i try to bridge over my ac clutch from the high pressure switch to kick the clutch in but it will blow the big 20 amp ac fuse under the hood and doesnt kick the clutch in. rpms rise a little but clutch dont kick in .Does the same thing if i try to bridge over from the ac relay from the fuse box under the hood. but i can run 1 wire from the ground wire on the ac unit to the hot post and it will kick it in that way but still wont take freon...
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine 5 жыл бұрын
First, stop trying to jump things. This is an ECM-controlled system and you could very well blow your computer if you're not careful. The wire at the compressor is power to the clutch coil. With it unplugged, but the A/C commanded "on" and the engine running, is there power there? If not, then break down the circuit into two halves - the control side of the relay and the component side of the relay. Then watch this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oqtyfsaq1pnHYWQ.html
@kevinferrell1739
@kevinferrell1739 5 жыл бұрын
First off Thank you for your reply... Ok With the A/C controls in the on position, motor running and the ac unit unpluged I do have power on the plug coming from the compressor but no power on the plug coming from my wire harness. Only time that wire has power in when the ac compressor is pluged in. Is that the way it should be or should i have power on the plug coming off the harness...It;s showing power on both sides of the high pressure sensor. Is that right? low side switch has 4 inlets but i got 2 hot and 2 ground. Cking this with only a test light with my clip hooked to the neg term. So if you could please help me figure this out i would really appreciate it because o dont know much about the ac system and it;s oper. So Ya I need help. i cant afford to take it to a shop...O i could hear all the video for some reason.
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine 5 жыл бұрын
@@kevinferrell1739 Is there only 1 wire going into the compressor?
@leonwilson7484
@leonwilson7484 4 жыл бұрын
Alternator
@salceti
@salceti Жыл бұрын
Pete, I am confused. You go to the trouble of making sure the leads are plugged into the amp connection but then when you show the results of your test at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="326">5:26</a> you are holding up your meter and it is set on volts and not reading amps but VOLTS and the leads are plugged into the volts connections. You even say seven POINT nine mili amps, which the meter is actually showing POINT seven nine volts not amps. Which should we use?
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine Жыл бұрын
If you use the ammeter built into the DMM, you'll need to plug the red lead into the appropriate amp jack. The problem is not knowing how much current you might measure and if you exceed the limits of your meter, the internal fuse will blow and you could damage the tool. The marker you refer to is using a low amp probe to do the measuring. This tool converts current to a millivolt output the meter (or a scope) can read and display. And since it outputs a millivolt reading, we have to convert it to amperage using the conversion scale on the tool.
@salceti
@salceti Жыл бұрын
@@MotorAgeMagazine Oh okay that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
@alejandroamaro8303
@alejandroamaro8303 8 жыл бұрын
where did you get those little adapters you connected to the inline fuse holder so it can fit where the fuse goes ?
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine 8 жыл бұрын
+Alejandro Amaro Those are from PICO but you can find Fuse Buddies at AESWave.com too.
@Carlostype
@Carlostype 7 жыл бұрын
could you reference the pumps ohm's value and circuit voltage to calculate amps? (ohm's law)
@MotorAgeMagazine
@MotorAgeMagazine 7 жыл бұрын
When dealing with any kind of motor, you have to include the effect load on the motor will have on current flow. That might work with the pump on the bench, but not if it's in the tank pushing fuel. Does that help?
@Carlostype
@Carlostype 7 жыл бұрын
Motor Age yes, thanks for your fast reply, Happy New Year
@frankdavidson9675
@frankdavidson9675 Жыл бұрын
I=E?R
@garyr7027
@garyr7027 Жыл бұрын
Actually you need 4 things, fuel spark, compression and air. Which without air there won't be any compression... just sayin.
@eliezerramosjr1017
@eliezerramosjr1017 Жыл бұрын
Fuel, spark, air, compression and can’t forget timing something that goes overlooked many times. I can tell by how it cranks most times but the best way is with my 4channel Picoscope.
@ermareimer4210
@ermareimer4210 8 жыл бұрын
Too long explanation - get to the point ! Explain that in 5 minutes!
@relasidenews589
@relasidenews589 8 жыл бұрын
really shit
@gsh319
@gsh319 7 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Pete. Thanks for all your experience.
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