"The Triangle Factory Fire Scandal" (1979) Historical Drama TV Movie

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"The Triangle Factory Fire Scandal" (1979) Historical Drama TV Movie

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The story of the fire in the Triangle Shirtwaist Mfg. Co. building in New York City in 1911 that resulted in the deaths of 146 employees, mostly young women. The ensuing investigation revealed the company's almost total disregard for its workers' safety in pursuit of increased production and profits; it resulted, among other things, in the passage of new worker-safety laws and the formation of the International Ladies' Garment Workers Union.
directed by Mel Stuart and starring David Dukes, Tovah Feldshuh, Lauren Frost, Stacey Nelkin, Tom Bosley and Ted Wass. It premiered as an 'NBC Tuesday Night Movie' on January 30, 1979.
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@brega6286 Жыл бұрын

My grandfather was a young teen and witnessed this tragedy. He told me "some" of the events on one of our NYC excursions. Bless him, he had a gift for making things educational but always exciting,never boring.

@TitanicHorseRacingLover 2 ай бұрын

Wow. I am sorry your grandfather saw such a horrible event. :(

@prometheusunbound7628 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting this on the 112th anniversary of the tragedy. It is a bold reminder that too often people must lose their lives in order for positive social changes to be enacted.

@dolinaj1 Жыл бұрын

Hell no, Prometheus! Capitalism devours all of us: the living, the living dead, and the dead. In the early 21st century, we are moving retrograde on every civil and human right so many fought for. Greedy corporate America, its dirty politicians, lobbyists, jurists and far-right shills guarantee it.

@rogerrendzak8055 10 ай бұрын

Positive social, changes?? It's today's politics, and a certain political regime, that's ruining everything we need, to prosper.

@enterprisebaby2467 Жыл бұрын

My Mother worked in a sweatshop. She was 18. Thank God she helped organize a Union. How many saying what happened in this film was horrible, but wouldn't dream of unionization in their workplace? Ask my Mother; the Union brought in vacation, sick leave, a pension, safery protocols, and an 8 hour day.

@shirleyanne6573 10 ай бұрын

those women who fought for a union were heroes. My grandmother was one of them too!

@rogerrendzak8055 10 ай бұрын

All, anti-republican moves👍👏!!

@ebriggs3498 5 ай бұрын

@@rogerrendzak8055: what a stupid remark! Obviously unionizing was needed at that time. Today, not so much. Now states have laws in place that guarantee workers rights. I hope that you are just as emphatic about all these illegals who are pouring over the border and then the children being used in sex trafficking and the adults being used as maids and cooks.

@jonimichalski1403 3 ай бұрын

Your should be proud of Your mother.

@enterprisebaby2467 2 ай бұрын

@@jonimichalski1403 I am. She taught me well. Thank you.

@Charbear25 Жыл бұрын

We are lucky we live in the times that we do....fire safety and regulations are so important

@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Жыл бұрын

In the times we live in, American politicians are working hard to destroy unions (started with Reagan's fight against the air traffic controllers) and to bring back child labour. Workers in the USA are still being killed by the lack of health and safety laws, and lack of enforcement of those that exist, in their workplaces.

@rogerrendzak8055 10 ай бұрын

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Why, you just pointed out the endeavors, of the Republican party😒👎👎!!! Remember, to keep voting Blue😉!!! The same, evil mentality today, is what the unions were fighting, then. Funny how the 'RepubliCONs', haven't changed their mindset much, at all. Still the same, GOP=Greed Over People.

@Theranchhouse1 Жыл бұрын

this is a wonderful but 'sad movie' It had every emotion imaginable....Thank you for posting !!! you have another subscriber !!

@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Жыл бұрын

Shows how much all workers desperately need unions, and what employers (the class enemy of workers) will get away with if they can. To this day, such atrocities still happen in the USA and around the world. Workers of the world unite!

@MikeGreenwood51 Жыл бұрын

It's your venomous 'class enemy' statement also wrong? Sounds very Marxist and many may know how wrong Marxism went. Whilst potential workers have the rights to chose their employers then there seems no reason to cast all employers as 'enemies of the people or workers'. Yes there may be some bad employers. But with out the employer where is the worker? Out on the street? Or starving some where. Whilst there is a need for some people to have an income due to their own lack of funds then being an employee serves a purpose of providing some. Or who else is going to provide the necessities of living?

@HobbyOrganist Жыл бұрын

Too bad they used some random building, the real Asch building is right around the corner from where I lived as a kid, it's part of NY University and you'd never know it had a fire looking at it from the street. That ladder they used to cross over from the roof to an adjacent building was ridiculous, a thin wood ladder like that in that position would have cracked in half, ESPECIALLY under the weight of that somewhat chunky guy with his approx 12 year daughter on his back crossing together! The rear fire escape wasnt shown, many went out on that, so many that it broke the fire escape balcony off the wall and it crashed down taking the rest of them, the ladders and the girls down with it. People standing around or otherwise beating at flames 3 feet high in front of them and all around them, please!!! I've BEEN in a work place fire almost 2 years ago, a 3 foot high flame some 8-10 feet from me with a fire extinguisher in hand trying to put it out was hot enough to give my arms, scalp and forehead 2nd degree burns, my hair melted on top, I had to go and get skin grafts on my arms and was recovering at home for 6 weeks and had to wear compression sleeves on my arms for a YEAR. The fire was so freaking HOT it was unbelieveable even 8-10 feet away. I thought what felt/looked like a little red/bad sunburn on my arms was something some cream at home would fix, but within minutes I developed large raised fluid filled boils on my arms. The bastards who owned Triangle collected a tidy insurance check for the damage/loss, and they opened a shop uptown and did all the SAME things again!!! locked exit doors and all even after this fire.

@annnottingham2270 Жыл бұрын

I've just found they're putting a memorial on the building, more than the plaque. I saw the plaque back in the 90's; otherwise, it's just another nondescript building on the campus.

@adriananoelle4699 5 ай бұрын

They used the Bendix Building in Los Angeles to add insult.

@veronicasanacion Жыл бұрын

One of the exit doors was locked as the company did not want the workers to steal. Only one entrance was available. Sprinklers existed at the time but govenments supported bigger companies over the safety of workers, which resulted in no protection against fires. Greedy families exploited these women and society called this normality.

@elissam.corsmeier469 Жыл бұрын

blah blah blah

@chicagogyrl4846 3 ай бұрын

All of the doors were locked!

@cherihill2003 Жыл бұрын

Great historical movie! Thank you.

@sophiasalinastennant2896 10 ай бұрын

fires spread did they know back then

@jimmyhd1969 Жыл бұрын

It was actually worse than portrayed in this movie.

@pattymiller9040 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. Thinking I will seek another source to get a more accurate depiction of that tragedy!

@chicagogyrl4846 3 ай бұрын

@@pattymiller9040 So why are you telling us??

@pattymiller9040 3 ай бұрын

@@chicagogyrl4846 What's the difference if you don't care?? Just my opinion!

@pattymiller9040 3 ай бұрын

@@chicagogyrl4846 Why do you care??🤷‍♀️

@coralynrojas8934 Жыл бұрын

Carelessness, lack of property maintenance. The same poor lighting in one section of the factory floor caused a small electrical fire that got out of hand causing such a major disaster.

@kathleendobens6648 Жыл бұрын

I can't imagine what they went thru.its horrible. 😢

@robertdore9592 Жыл бұрын

If this proves anything, it is that there have always been the 'haves' and 'have nots'. if anyone doubts this take a look at the border entry requirements for western countries such as the UK and USA etc. more and more people are waking up to the fact that we (the vast majority of the global population) are certainly not in the club.

@TangleF50 Жыл бұрын

😢😭

@pangorban1 Жыл бұрын

So sad that in the years after this film was made (1979), union membership in the US went into freefall, due to political and legal pressures and, more recently, the rise of the gig economy.

@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Жыл бұрын

As Bill Clinton proclaimed, the era of big government is dead - so employers can do what they like.

@user-jl9xw2hq7x Ай бұрын

Great Movie. I always wondered about this disaster and the Happy Land fire. I would like to see a film like this about what really happened at The Happy Land Fire. This video was awesome. Thanks.

@shortyblackwellll Жыл бұрын

Charlie didn't make The Pawnshop until 1916. His first film wasn't made until 1914, a year after this happened

@kathleendobens6648 Жыл бұрын

?? Explain

@annnottingham2270 Жыл бұрын

@@kathleendobens6648 So he couldn't have been in the nickelodeon movie Gina and Florence see

@MikeGreenwood51 Жыл бұрын

@1952mrpdc Жыл бұрын

An excellent film from a bygone era showing the total lack of responsibility by the owner's regarding health and safety for their employee's. It must have been terrible jumping from those window's knowing you were going to die. PC. 17. 04. 2023.

@CP-xp1kk Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this very good movie!

@leslieking6259 2 ай бұрын

I remember watching this when it aired in 1979. I had not heard of it until them but have researched it since. The truth of it is way worse than how it was portrayed. On the centennial in 2011, a new documentary aired. I recommend it. In 1981, due to my husband being laid off from the auto industry, I ended up working a couple of years in a sewing factory. During my first few day's of employment, I made it my mission to learn where every single exit was.

@allisonmcdonough1 8 ай бұрын

thank God for worker's rights, and thank you to those who fought for them

@rupvictoria3017 Жыл бұрын

Tom Bosley from Happy Days

@scathatch Жыл бұрын

Good movie. reminds me of the garment factory fire Bangladesh 2012. 52 people lost their lives for the same reasons.

@AwesomeAngryBiker 9 ай бұрын

What's even worse is the factor deducted electricity costs & cost of anything they used during work hrs, pencils etc, that the factory provided

@eirugsiongriffiths8563 11 ай бұрын

My mum told me about a fire that happened in a Robinson department store in Singapore, it was really bad.

@RMarie62 11 ай бұрын

May all who lost their lives rest in peace 😢

@petercole8798 Жыл бұрын

Sweatshops were the norm in 1900. 1930s . Unions helped alot but they still sucked. No air conditioning in those days, heat I don't know yes there were steam radiators. The work was organized Sweatshops after the Unions came in.

@donnalegoo6731 Жыл бұрын

Thanks. It was a necessary remembrance.

@holbertsmeadow323 Жыл бұрын

Always a blessing to see and hear you brother. Love and Peace from Brinnon Washington Olympic national Forest

@tommysimmons5266 Жыл бұрын

Here’s your lunch money is like growing up in Brooklyn during the 60s for go to the deli and get hot dogs and a gallon of milk from my mother.

@punkyduck28 Жыл бұрын

Is there a memorial or anything to mark this terrible tragedy. Cutting corners costs lives., lesson learnt.

@thewkovacs316 Жыл бұрын

yes

@MikeGreenwood51 Жыл бұрын

Too much goverment taxation on too many things results in less money to go round and forces bussiness owners to cut corners or close down. I bet a lot of the apparatus available to day is 10 times cheaper as it is made from cheap plastic and doesn't last so long. Locally now where I live all the old balconeies, doors and window frames have all (98%) been replaced by PVC. So please. No fire bombing or nuclear weapons as our houses will melt before they go up in flames with even the balconies in flames. They recently discovered also the cavity way insulation in some tower blocks was made of flamable foam. It may be worth while if living in the USA tower blocks (Sky scrapers) to check your cavity wall insulation contents.

@raymondwitter7650 Жыл бұрын

I wrote a poem about it. Forgot i did until i saw this. Also i did a poem about something similar. The people in an Irish disco that burned up when it caught fire because escape exits were locked.

@Shteno Жыл бұрын

Don''t you think you should find a better inspiration?!? 😁😁😁

@MikeGreenwood51 Жыл бұрын

@@Shteno Some of the world's most well known poets have composed their works with the harrowing, distress situations they witness as the subject matter. William Shakespere wrote or Wars, witches betrals and madness. Wilfred owen wrote of the great war. Leonard Cohen wrote of despair and suicide as well as burning at the stake. Alfred Lord tennison wrote of the fateful Charge of the Light Brigade. Bob Dylan also did not always write of what was pretty or beautiful.

@Shteno Жыл бұрын

@@MikeGreenwood51 Listen to me boy! I, myself, aside of being in writing, primarily with literature & philosophy for the bulk of my life (almost 30 years of reading and writing), the so called "anesthetics of the ugly" has been some of the most inspirational and alluring type of art for me, for as long as I can remember. And it's not limited onoy to writing, but on the contrary, to all arts, especially visual ones, like painting, films, comic strip, etc... Hence, the reason why writers & poets such as E. A. Poe, E. Scioran, C. Bodler, to name just very few, are some of my most inspirational & whose lives' stories have formed my life in a HUGE WAY! Thus.. don't lecture me or patronize me with such comments, and for what?! For a joke comment that took place previously by me, in moments when someone made me laugh, thus it followed by one such comment by me. But if someone can't understand, or just can't digest a small and harmless comical sentence, then, it's your /his/hers... problem, not mine in any way or association! Therefore, DEAL WITH IT, DONT COME BOTHER ME WITH SIMPLE replies and "lectures" that definitely don't belong here, of anywhere at all! I believe I made myself clear, thus,

@johnpatrick6998 7 ай бұрын

Yes the Stardust disco fire in Dublin. The owner was awarded compensation and was found blameless. The doors were locked as well. Christy Moore wrote a song about it called " they never came home. ".

@truthprevails200 Жыл бұрын

75 dollars per life lost! my God!

@Quaker-tc8ue 8 ай бұрын

A fortune, then.

@Yindsey 8 ай бұрын

And the owners insurance company paid them $445 per life lost. The owners actually profited from the fire.

@julienielsen3746 4 ай бұрын

I remember watching this the first time is was on. Glad I got a chance to see it again.

@Kerryfyi 8 ай бұрын

This movie does such a disservice to the women and girls of triangle. The WOMEN NOT THE MEN tried to form a union and led the biggest strike in history up to that point. The Triangle women led the strike, all factories except Triangle caved in and became union shops. This movie is an insult to both the victims and the survivors of this needless tragedy.

@pennyculliton378 3 ай бұрын

Quite a few cutters, who were all men, struck in 1909-10 as well. I believe that Lou's character is representative of that.

@jennypalmer331 Жыл бұрын

I had heard about this horror but that was all. May all those who perished and for family and friends my condolences. Those who died may their souls RIP

@carmelbrain7399 Жыл бұрын

thanks for this

@inkheart151 2 ай бұрын

Saw this film in high school. I can’t even begin to imagine how scarring that must have been for some of the people working there!

@alfonsogarcia3596 Жыл бұрын

Esta producción de televisión la tengo. Muy buena y desgarradora de aquel luctuoso echo en el año 1911, y la cantidad de mujeres trabajadoras que fallecieron. Mi recuerdo a todas ellas, centrándome en la película, esta muy lograda y el reparto de conocidos actores , que cumplen sus papeles a la perfección. Mención a Stephanie Zimbalist que participó en el film, interpretando a una de las trabajadoras de la fábrica, que afortunadamente consigue salvar su vida. Gran actriz con una dilatada carrera en el teatro y en la televisión 📺. Aquí en España se la conoce principalmente por la serie REMINGTON STEELE 1982-1987.

@bibber123 5 ай бұрын

Last weekend I went to the Triangle Factory Fire memorial and burial site of six unidentified victims at Evergreens Cemetery in Queens. Five girls and one man are buried there. They all have since been identified.. Concetta Prestifilippo 22 Josephine Cammarata 17 (They were cousins and lived together at 18 Cornelia Street, NYC) Maria Lauletti 33 Max Florin 23 Dora Evans 18 Fannie Rosen 21

@stevewheatley243 Жыл бұрын

When they crossed that ladder between buildings,I was sure it'd snap in two. It looked pretty rickety to me.

@MikeGreenwood51 Жыл бұрын

Yes. Thank goodness it didn't break with them in the centre.

@stevewheatley243 Жыл бұрын

@@MikeGreenwood51 Better them than us though, right?

@julienielsen3746 4 ай бұрын

God answered prayers. He had faith.

@jonimichalski1403 Жыл бұрын

The owners should have been ashamed taking advantage of their own immigrant people men and women . And maybe even children too.

@linaburon5672 Жыл бұрын

Sad but Like the movie Poor Womens and Mens

@namcat53 3 ай бұрын

Always support Unions.

@margueritemazzeo2904 10 ай бұрын

The couple that burned to death together..played by David Dukes and Janet Margolin..😢😢😢

@connierenna-xf9um Жыл бұрын

How tragic. This became a well-known issue in the 1970s second wave of feminism, as well as the preceding suffragette movement of the 1920s.

@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Жыл бұрын

The second wave of feminists were less concerned with workplace safety as they were more about identity politics, and most of the leading 70s feminists came from well-off families.

@karengieseking1437 2 ай бұрын

I remember watching this as a teen. When 9/11 happened, I thought about the people jumping to avoid burning. So sad that the choices didn't change.

@houseofintegrity. Жыл бұрын

Someone like HBO could do a present day representation of this tragic tho historic event. they could depict a more historically accurate narrative. If you recall the fire occurred 25 March around 5pm, yet the daytime shots look like a summertime noon, the fire department was trying to fight the tire, where is the water, that quickly flowed red into the sewers. Also except for the well done clothes, most of the young actors appear as if they just stepped off a California beach. they could also put in better follow up info about NYC and fire regulations.

@jenniferedwards1752 Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this movie.

@laankebygg3685 10 ай бұрын

A tragic loss of life.

@chicagogyrl4846 3 ай бұрын

How could they, and how were they expected to sew with not enough light??! 🤣😂

@Taopuppy 11 ай бұрын

Did anyone else notice how Mrs. Levin was looking at the face of every girl who even remotely might have been Sonia? Grabbing them by the shoulder and turning them around, desperately praying each time (you could see it in her eyes) that it would be her daughter.

@julienielsen3746 4 ай бұрын

He was a good actor. Seen him in a lot of shows in the 70s.

@TyceProds 10 ай бұрын

The nets weren’t like that when they hit the nets they broke through it or bounced off it and died from impact

@coralynrojas8934 Жыл бұрын

So why didn’t the 3 people walk through the fire (like the firefighters) and get out??? The 2 didn’t have to jump at all.

@glossypots Жыл бұрын

Unions are the only power you have as a cog in the wheel?

@magica1355 7 ай бұрын

Interesting mistake, Charlie Chaplin didnt appear in any films or shorts until 1914, while these events took place in 1911. In that year he was doing stage plays, comedy tours, and vaudeville acts, none of which were professionally filmed or shown in a legitimate theater or anywhere with a nickelodeon just yet.

@chicagogyrl4846 3 ай бұрын

There is a fire so why are they just standing there looking at it??!

@micheleM-wn8qf 2 ай бұрын

"NO MY LOVE, NOT WITHOUT YOU..."THAT IS REAL LOVE..CHOOSING TO SUFFER AN AGONIZING DEATH RATHER THAN BE SEPARATED..WOW...

@Taopuppy 11 ай бұрын

I always like to think that Gina ended up marrying the nice fireman.

@calvinhobbesgatsby6869 7 ай бұрын

Fanfiction writers, see it done!

@houseofintegrity. Жыл бұрын

error, a reference was made to nickelodeon and Charles Chaplin as the funniest ever. This was 2-3 prior to his start in films.

@adriananoelle4699 5 ай бұрын

Wait, was this filmed in New York, or Los Angeles? The building at 2:17 is the Bendix Building in Los Angeles.

@trishazechel8402 8 ай бұрын

Good movie.

@chachalee123 4 ай бұрын

Does anybody know the other movie that based on this historical event? I think I've seen it around 2020, the modern version of this movie that was broadcast thru HBO channel. I don't quite remember the full title but the only thing I remember was the word "Scream" and "Hell", I guess those words were part of the title of the movie. It was based on fire factory event as well, where they were trapped in time travel if I'm not mistaken. I've been searching for years now yet I don't find any on Internet😭🙏🏻 If you know the title, please drop your comment here🥹

@davidpar2 Жыл бұрын

Did Tovah make it out?

@chicagogyrl4846 3 ай бұрын

If he was engaged to the one girl why was he kissing the others??! 🤣😂

@calvinhobbesgatsby6869 3 ай бұрын

Cause he’s a cheat

@susanhowe163 Жыл бұрын

I'M A SMOKER AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY MANY YEARS NOW. IN MY YOUNGER YEARS I HELD THE LIT END OF THE CIG TO VARIOUS PARTS OF MY BODY WHEN MY MIND AND HEART WERE IN PAIN. IT GOT TO THE POINT THAT IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH TO BURN HERE OR THERE. IT GOT REALLY BAD ANYWAY, I'M A GRANDMA NOW AND ALL THAT IS BEHIND ME I'M TAKING MEDS. PROBLEMS ARISE WHEN THE LIT END OF MY CIG HONESTLY FALLS OFF AND IF IT FALLS ONTO ONE MY SCARS I 💔 DON'T FEEL IT AND IT CAUSES WORSE DAMAGE ON THAT SCAR. NOW LET THAT LIT END LAND ON FRESH SKIN AND I CAN'T SCOOT IT AWAY REAL FAST, JUST THAT LITTLE BURN IS HORRIBLE! I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THESE WOMEN AND EVERY VICTIM OF THE FIRES THAT TRAP AND KILL OR CAUSE AWFUL SCARS. I'M SO ASHAMED OF WHAT I DID IN MY PAST. I'M SORRY. I'M SO VERY SORRY. 😢😮😢

@MikeGreenwood51 Жыл бұрын

You may have had your reasons all those years ago. Maybe your addition had a hold on you. As a smoker myself for about 40 years and trying to give-up for about the last 10. I explored but failed, pain as a possible thing to change my chemisty and over ride the repetitive desire to smoke a cigerette. Pain to the level which I could self inflict with out scaring or damage was not enough as, as soon as the pain subsided the desire was back again. But I am now 3 years about with out a cigerette thanks to a nicotine spay (Called 'Quick Mist') from our local NRT 9nicotine Replacement Therapy) program. You know some people do all sorts of things to supply their addiction. Some rob for a cigerette. That is some of how strong a hold nictotine can get to a person.

@chicagogyrl4846 3 ай бұрын

Most of the people who worked there were Italian and Jewish immigrants, so they would not have talked like that! They were not the daughters of immigrants!

@pamthompson3170 6 ай бұрын

In a lot of these disasters, not all, but a lot, the root of it was money. Either saving it, cutting corners, ignoring the safety rules all together. To save money. Won't hurt, no one will notice. Even a 2016 was a club fire that cost 100 people their lives. You can not break the rules, cause it will catch up with you.

@MrDXRamirez Жыл бұрын

America in the beginning the millionaires were born poor and became rich...today relative to the population the number of millionaires has fallen and billionaires are fewer...a fast and relative decline in a period of two generations...with a marked propensity for de-regulation...workplace hazards have increased and are more lethal.

@dolinaj1 Жыл бұрын

DXR: what are you talking about? Not a word you said about current economic circumstances is correct.

@thewkovacs316 Жыл бұрын

became rich off the work of poor people pure evil

@chicagogyrl4846 3 ай бұрын

Where do they get 56 hours from??!

@eirugsiongriffiths8563 11 ай бұрын

When did NYC FD start to have motorised fire engines and pumps, and turntable ladders.

@pennyculliton378 3 ай бұрын

The last horses were retired in 1922, I do know that.

@krugerfuchs Жыл бұрын

And it was called the ash building its haunted by them too

@pennyculliton378 3 ай бұрын

Asch

@AwesomeAngryBiker 9 ай бұрын

Jesus enough ads to equal the length of the film, greedy, Unsubscribed 👎👎👎

@davidrobinson8337 Жыл бұрын

I didnt see any harm of the girl dancing with a fella she likes. Why was her father being so damn difficult?

@MikeGreenwood51 Жыл бұрын

She wasn't dancing with a fella. She was dancing with a שייגעץ‎ sheygit (goy) abomination. You think her father wanted a family of five or ten little abominable sheygitims. You wouldn't see any thing wrong with it. As youare likly a post sixties society. But for a five thousand year old traditionalist. It could be far too much. Just going too far. He was likly very worried about what they would all say at the synagoge. You know the traditionalists nailed Jesus to a cross as he questioned 'Tradition' and the tradition of the Sabbath. If God decreed they should do such and such then who was Jesus to question the commands of God? It was also likly the fact she lied supposedly to her mother telling her she was ill. But really I can not say why. But of course some see those locked in tradition some times as problematic. Whilst for other traditionalists they see the modern supposed liberated person as the problem.

@jonimichalski1403 3 ай бұрын

Shame evil shame