Don’t blame me for not knowing your Bible.

maybe not 100% Will 99.99% do?

@@michaelbruce9197 hah if people were not brainwash to bielieve in the trinity then that person would not read any trinity ideas in the bible

@@AstariahJW very true. I tell them that the Bible says no man can see God and live but they don’t care they need their God man like a drug

@@michaelbruce9197 Jehovah God is to powerfull. If we see him we would die . Even if he set foot on earth. The earth will evaporate After all he created the sun . It's in a perfect distance to support life if it was just a tad off we would not be able to live 1 kings 8:27 But will God really dwell on the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!

@Chris Cuomo Allah of The Quraan states: 6:102 Such is GOD your Lord, there is no god except He, the Creator of all things. You shall worship Him alone. He is in control of all things.. Based on what you claim, this is also the teaching of the lucifer of the Bible. Hence the God of the Bible will say the opposite which would be associate partners with God in your worship of God. If the Allah of the Quraan states: 17:32: And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way.. Based on your claim this is the teaching of the lucifer of the Bible, hence, the God of the bible encourages adultrey.. Gods teachings are the opposite of lucifer's. If Allah of the Quraan states:O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both.” [Quran, 4:135]. This is the teaching of the lucifer of the Bible, so the God of the Bible teaches that should stand firm for injustice according to your claim. I can go on quoting examples, but these 3 do suffice. I do know about showing the other cheek which interprets as accepting injustice and tyranny, in fact, showing the other cheek interprets as encouraging injustice and oppression. Matthew 5:38-40 Eye for Eye 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Yes, oneness with his Son from Nazareth.

John states loud and clear: a spirit that denies that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh is Antichrist. Can’t get any clearer than that.

Technically the trinity has four considering Jesus has two himself, the Demi-god person of Jesus, and the full god, in heaven, person of Jesus.

@@HawkLad couldn't have said it better, I've been saying for years that the trinity is more of a quaternity.

@@m.-9615 Most of the English translations of the Bible read that "the spirit of Jesus would not allow them to (enter Bithynia)" (see Acts 16:7). Since they say that the "spirit of God" is the third person of the trinity, it is fair to say that they spirit of Jesus is the fourth person of the trinity. So yes, at least four person make up one God. I don't know about you, but my head hurts... Lol

@@DaDitka If we were to give a copy of the bible to someone who has never been exposed to Christianity, there is no way on earth they can read it cover to cover and find the Trinitarian creed in there. Trinitarianism is nothing more than an oral tradition with no recorded documentation linking directly to Jesus Christ. The trinitarians try to impose their beliefs on the bible, so nothing is stopping them from adding more illogical stuff to the narrative. "Just have faith", they say. And if you fail to have this faith, it means that the holy spirit is not within you.

@@noha8235 Wonderful. It's too bad more so-called "Christians" don't do some investigation rather than just accepting their church's doctrine on the trinity. Brother Kel on his KZfaq channel "Trinity Delusion" has many videos discussing all aspects of the "trinity".

@vanilla thunda 1st great name, lol. By your explanation of emotion and reason, yes your absolutely right that emotion and reason rarely ever meet in the middle, but when presented the overwhelming facts as in this video, due to emotion and reason being on opposite ends then cognitive dissonance is what takes place and this undoubtedly happens when facing the facts of truth in the bible regarding the trinity.

Remember religion won’t save you. You are responsible for your own salvation

This old video came up today in recommendations and I've been looking for better anti-Trinitarian arguments to test as I as a Trinitarian don't want to ever assume I've heard them all, but yeah, I can't find anything logically grounded here, I don't know what you're talking about. I took live notes on every point and all rested on bald assertion, circular reasoning, and even self-refutation.

The Trinity definitely is complicated so I totally understand where he's coming from, but with all due respect to him and other anti- / non-Trinitarians, I don't think any of you guys (appear to?) ever really do your homework to understand it. The main things I see consistently missed are:

1) We don't say co-equality means in every sense they're the same. Obviously they have some role differences or what we might call "personality" (hence "Person") -- and that INCLUDES a rank difference. I predicted when I saw the title that it would make this mistake and it did; strawmanning (despite what I hope were the best intentions not to, stated at the start).

No need give your comment here bcoz im understand you in misunderstandings..

It's a bipolar Fairy theory that one is to persistently Query ? ?

Perhaps a better argument is to start with a question: How is it that blaspheming against God and Christ are forgivable, but blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is not? The answer destroys trinity! For placing the true spiritual self on a pedestal *_as_* God is indeed blasphemy, but with the twist that it prevents the healing or salvation of the very thing that needs divine forgiveness -- the only thing that can enter Heaven! Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

Tell them to read the Chalcedonian Creed, it states that are not allowed to divide Jesus' alleged 2 natures! Therefore, according to Chalcedonian Creed, anyone attempting to suggest that only Jesus' human nature died, is a heretic.

Um, no. That's very common, I get why you might think it but this is also what an eternally literally personified trait of God would do (JP Holding's sense of "hypostasis"), and the NT many times uses of Jesus phrases and terms used of Wisdom in OT and intertestamental literature to signal that the NT authors did understand him this way. It's natural to biblical Trinitarianism.

@@RodMartinJr Not sure what your point is; the fact that this makes the Spirit a distinct person from Christ is part of Trinitarian arguments (not all Unitarians make them the same, but pre-NT Jews did make the Hand/Spirit and Angel of the Lord the same, and Jesus is identified with the latter).

@@RodMartinJr The reason for blasphemy against the Spirit is defined by Jesus in the surrounding verses, including what the "therefore" refers back to, and about the "the nature of the tree" metaphor he uses soon after. Just go read it; basically those who reject salvation (don't have indwelling Spirit) commit evil forever.

amen sis, my thoughts also ... just finished listening again & will be planning on playing this one soon in Bible study!

@@rayorichard8175 would love to hear this again!!

Your last couple of sentences strike me very well. I too have heard that a human being could not serve as a proper sacrifice for sin, yet they then say that only the human side of Jesus died. That is very interesting and I will need to make a note of that. Thank you.

Eugene, very nicely said. What is even more incredible is the fact that the Big Elephants in the room are completely ignored or glossed over. One of those involves the reason why blaspheming against God and Christ can be forgiven, but blaspheming against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven. Answering this destroys trinity. For only spirit can enter Heaven. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

You have arrived at precisely the requirement for his special conception, pursuant to the enigmatic phrase "seed of the woman" in Genesis 3 (and enlarged upon briefly in one of the gospels). Study Hebrews 2:14: the two "partake" verbs are not the same: the first, 'koinoneo', means to share fully. The latter, 'methecho', means to take a part only. Jesus had to be a human, but one not under Satan's jurisdicition (as all others descended from Adam are), so that his offered life did have full redemptive value for mankind. Those who posit that only God could redeem man have completely ignored Paul's entire argument in Romans 5, culminating in v.19b, "... so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous". [Don't get too excited about the missing "man", other verses - including others right in Romans 5 - assuredly testify Jesus was a man]

@@jimwinchester339 Jim Winchester, Eugene here. I think that the "special conception" resulted in the creation of the "second Adam" who like the first Adam was made from "Earthly stuff", that is, his Earthly Mother, and the life "Ruach" of Elohim. "Mother Earth" and Elohim. What do you think about that idea?

I see a simple and apparently fatal problem with this argument -- it also requires that humans would have to completely cease to exist in order to "die totally" -- and soul-sleep-ists notwithstanding, Jesus weighs in on this and says to the repentant thief on the cross that "today" they would dine in paradise.

Yes! He is an expert, yet we can all keep learning more, if we remain humble to God and hungry for His wisdom. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

I have to disagree since he 1) doesn't know the difference between separation and distinction -- that's pretty basic to Trinity -- 2) doesn't seem to know about Wisdom theology which undercuts the vast majority of his criticisms, and 3) doesn't know Trinitarianism doesn't mean NO differences in rank by "co-equal" and has always said the Father is the authority within the Godhead.

​@@logicianbonesjust make up more nonsense to stick to a false belief. The Trinity is the fake belief

Not what we're saying. We're saying you can't just ASSUME it's false just because you don't fully understand every detail. (The ANTI-Trinitarian, pardon caps for emphasis that survives in .txt backups, is the one saying that it's only because you don't understand how it's possible that therefore it's a "logical impossibility." No actual logic has yet been given to that end that I can find?)

In other words it's really the anti-Trinitarians here who are basing something on mystery, not us. When there's a detail a biblical Christian doesn't understand, we 1) obey the commands to test everything and do research to try to find out, 2) don't assume anything, and 3) don't reject a conclusion that has sound support elsewhere, like Trinitarianism does.

I also have to say it's very concerning to see self-proclaimed Christians acting like an admonition to respect that God knows more than you is somehow evil -- because the Bible itself does this. That's where we got the saying "mystery" from here; "God works in mysterious ways." I get it when anti-biblicists like fundy atheists use this argument but Christians shouldn't!

@@logicianbones Who's "we?" Do you speak for ALL Trinitarians? I know for a certainty that you do not! So, stop implying that you do. My grandfather was a Southern Baptist minister and missionary to Africa -- a Trinitarian. And I received an earful of the mystery angle. My wife is Catholic, her brother is a Catholic priest, and I have received an earful of the mystery thesis from Catholics who are also Trinitarians. Apparently, you have not thoroughly studied the issue, for there are no "Jesus as God" proof texts which are not ambiguous (they have more than one interpretation). To my knowledge, however, there are many verses which are not ambiguous which proclaim that Jesus is *_not_* God. In a recent conversation, one Trinitarian offered the verse where Jesus tells a disciple that because they have seen him, they have seen the Father. This does not make Jesus into God for two potent reasons. The first is that there is an alternate interpretation. Instead of *_identity,_* the statement is one of *_agency!_* Christ is a representative of God -- his trusted servant or ambassador. The second involves the details of the verse -- the fact that the Trinitarian's logic would have Jesus be the "Father," for the word used is "father," not "God." After the resurrection, Jesus tells a follower not to touch him, for he has not yet returned to "your Father and my Father, your God and my God." He did not say, "I have not yet returned to myself who is God." And your last comment is a bit of a straw man argument. I have not known any Christian who ever said such a thing, so your generalization is false. Yes, God works in mysterious ways, but does that mean we cannot ask for understanding? And therein lies a deeper problem. Biblical literalist believers (all Trinitarians, as far as I know) imply that they have achieved full knowledge of scripture and its intent, because of "easy literalism." Yet, 2 Corinthians 3.3-8 warns against relying on the "ink," and recommends instead the *_spirit_* of scripture which is NOT in the ink. Because we are not omniscient, and likely won't be so long as we remain on this side of the Narrow Gate, we should remain perpetually humble, for there will always be more to learn. Christ said that many are called, but few chosen. One might tie the failure to be chosen to the most common trait of the 2.5 billion Christians -- Trinitarianism. But I suspect that it could, more likely be a more silent and popular viewpoint -- that of sedentary certainty -- a lack of humility to God and to His meaning, conflating the interpretations of man with those of God.

​@@logicianbonesNo I don't think so reading the Bible didn't lead me to the Trinity and if you weren't taught it, neither would you

These people are heretics, they don’t believe in the eternal deity of Jesus Christ. This is the Arian heresy of the 4th century avoid them.

@@breambo3835 I don't believe in Jesus being a deity either.

@@m.-9615 1 Tim 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh. 1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess [a]that Jesus [b]Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. Then you are an antichrist and part of Satan, as the bible states.

@@breambo3835 Thank you for your response. The second verse you mentioned (1 John 4:3) doesn't show any thing relating to the divinty of Jesus Christ. It just says that Jesus has come in the flesh and we all came in the flesh, right? So that verse would actually be working against your claim. The other verse you cite (1 Tim 3:16) is indeed speaking of God Himself. I'd have to read up on the verses before and the verses after to see in what context this is said. From your text i see that it says "manifest", so that could also refer to the message of God being manifested in the flesh through Jesus, but also through others like Abraham, Moses, Noah etc.

@@breambo3835 the diety of christ through out the bible is son of God and thats what we are to bieleve. There Is no God the son or eternal son of God . Jesus was Gods first creation by God that's why jesus is only begotten son of God . Jesus Is only one created directly by Jehovah God. Everything else was created through jesus

*True and God is also called a father or the father but never God the father.* *There is nothing (NOTHING) to distinguish God's character from his self but trinitarian propaganda would argue things like John 1,* (which if you read and understand makes no sense and is self contradictory for trinitarian doctrine) *convenient uses of plural words* (as opposed to the many times when non-plural words contradict this illusion) *and instances of where and how the word worship is used* (whilst ignoring any context and translation issues that conflict with this doctrine) *to try and insert the doctrine of 3 people in one God which is absolutely crazy. There's no three people in one God concept in the Bible regardless of any of the trickery used above. It's like sneaking in multiple God worship through the back door.*

In Acts 10:25-26 Peter refused to accept being worship. Rev 19:9-10 the angel refused to be worshipped, God must be worship. Matthew 4:9-10 Jesus said worship only God. So, according to the Bible DO NOT WORSHIP Human, Angel or Created beings. Now in the following verses: Matthew 2:2, 2:11, 8:11, 9:18, 14:33, 15:25, 20:20, 28:9, 28:17, Mark 5:6, 15:9, Luke 24:52. Jesus Christ was worshipped by people and He received and accepted the worship. According to the Bible from Genesis to Revelation only God can be worship, you Mr. Finnegan as a Unitarian do not believe that Jesus Christ is not God. Then explain why the worship was accepted and received by Jesus Christ. who is lying now? YOU or JESUS CHRIST!

Also John 1:1 says the Word with God and the Word was God. How can the Word, meaning Jesus be God and with God. Also if God implies the trinity then isn't it saying Jesus is with trinity and was the trinity. That would be claiming that Jesus is himself, the Father and the Holy Spirit and also at the same time claiming he is with himself, the father and the holy spirit. It's confusing and also nonsense

In Acts 10:25-26 Peter refused to accept being worship. Rev 19:9-10 the angel refused to be worshipped, God must be worship. Matthew 4:9-10 Jesus said worship only God. So, according to the Bible DO NOT WORSHIP Human, Angel or Created beings. Now in the following verses: Matthew 2:2, 2:11, 8:11, 9:18, 14:33, 15:25, 20:20, 28:9, 28:17, Mark 5:6, 15:9, Luke 24:52. Jesus Christ was worshipped by people and He received and accepted the worship. According to the Bible from Genesis to Revelation only God can be worship, you Mr. Finnegan as a Unitarian do not believe that Jesus Christ is not God. Then explain why the worship was accepted and received by Jesus Christ. who is lying now? YOU or JESUS CHRIST!

Serious, you must be arrogantly blinded by your prejudices. Christianity is a false religion, your bible is not revelation, its corrupted, cintrudictions, forever progresively changed? Your bible is man written, from heresay, from copies of thousands of copies each bringing its own changes, and fraud to the book? Sorry bro, hope you can live with yourself.

Yes, Adam, but we are also spirit (Genesis 1:26), for God created us twice (also in Genesis 2:7); and we should be able to realize quite easily that God's image is not one of "dust." Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

Um, no Trinitarian says Spirit is a 3rd God. It's 1 God / 1 Being, in 3 Persons.

@@RodMartinJr It doesn't say there were two creative events. We were body + spirit in the first moment of creation. You seem not to know that 2:4 ends the first account (signed by the LORD God) and 2:7 is restating that same event from Adam's perspective (signed by Adam in 5:1). Similar to the 2 sections that restate the causes of the Flood; didn't happen twice.

@@RodMartinJr Or the four gospels, etc.

As well as Luke 1:35.

Very nice point. But when we examine the burden of blasphemy, one against God and Christ, and the other against the Holy Spirit, we are left to conclude, at least superficially, that the Holy Spirit is a selfish, unloving grouch to withhold forgiveness *_forever!_* The solution to this seeming irony is quite simple, and it involves the fact that only by spirit do we have access to Heaven. God created us *_twice!_* Gen. 1:26 and Gen. 2:7, and we should find it easy to understand that God's image is definitely *_not_* one of "dust." Gen. 6:3 reinforces this dual nature of man with the word "also." And John 3 also reinforces this notion -- flesh is of flesh, and spirit is of spirit. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

Jesse, that would be if the Trinity is FALSE, actually. ;-)

Yes, and the fact that the church leaders increasingly could *_not_* perform miracles. Miracles do not prove righteousness, but lack of miracles proves a *_lack of connection_* to God. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

👌🏻 nailed it.

i appreciate these discussion that have the intent of disproving the Trinity and then actually give fair analysis to support it even more so. his analogy of 3 persons are human but not the same is so eye-opening. for we are all equal and human yet different persons, and when we become one with the body of Christ who is one with the Father, then we can share in that unity of the Holy Spirit. Amazing analogy to prove the Trinity!

And I respectfully disagree with your disagreement. Did not the concept of "trinity" develop over the first 6 centuries after Christ? Is the word "trinity" anywhere in the Bible? And is there any specific claim that the three are one? Personally, I can find no such verse that was not altered by later scribes, especially during the creation of the Latin Vulgate (late 4th century). Please, what are your thoughts on this question: Why is it that blaspheming against God and Christ can be forgiven, but blaspheming against the Holy Spirit cannot? The answer to this destroys trinity, for trinity forces upon church members the only unforgivable sin.

Well said, Angeliqua. Failure to understand distribution of terms is one of the most common errors. (Means the structure of the statement refers to all members of a class, like all humans are organic doesn't refer to all organic creatures, only to all humans, so "organic" isn't distributed.)

Also, fatal loneliness problem of Allah/etc. actually means we should expect at least 2 Persons in the only always-existing infinite God.

Either they don't understand, or they do and refuse to accept truth. Reprobate minds.

As one of those Trinitarians, let me answer. First, I don’t use the word “Trinity.” It is not in the Bible. I use the word “Godhead” to define what most people call the Trinity because it’s actually in the Bible: Colossians 2:8-9 KJV Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Second, I believe Jesus is the Son of God: John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Third, I believe that the Father is greater than the Son: John 14:28 KJV Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Fourth, The Father is greater than the Son because the Son chose to humble himself. They are, in essence, the same: Philippians 2:5-8 KJV Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. John 10:30 KJV I and my Father are one. Fifth, Jesus is God manifest in the flesh: 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Sixth, Jesus is the creator God of Genesis 1: Colossians 1:16-17 KJV For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And I will draw this to a conclusion (though I could go on all day) Seventh, the formula for baptism says that we are to baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost: Matthew 28:19 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Acts 2:38 KJV Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost that Apostles baptized in was that of Jesus Christ. We believe what we believe because the Bible says so. All this history and philosophy and logic this guy spouts is unnecessary. We are just doing our best to conform ourselves to what the Bible teaches about Jesus. You disagree? That’s ok. You’re responsible for you. I’m responsible for me. And I’m going to believe what I think the Bible teaches about Jesus.

'If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject what you don't like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself.'

In Acts 10:25-26 Peter refused to accept being worship. Rev 19:9-10 the angel refused to be worshipped, God must be worship. Matthew 4:9-10 Jesus said worship only God. So, according to the Bible DO NOT WORSHIP Human, Angel or Created beings. Now in the following verses: Matthew 2:2, 2:11, 8:11, 9:18, 14:33, 15:25, 20:20, 28:9, 28:17, Mark 5:6, 15:9, Luke 24:52. Jesus Christ was worshipped by people and He received and accepted the worship. According to the Bible from Genesis to Revelation only God can be worship, you Mr. Finnegan as a Unitarian do not believe that Jesus Christ is not God. Then explain why the worship was accepted and received by Jesus Christ. who is lying now? YOU or JESUS CHRIST!

@@emmanuelsalomon8954 Christ being worshipped is a decree given by the Father. Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.” Jesus being called GOD is also a name that he has inherited from the Father and also a decree from the Father too. Hebrews 1:4...having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. Hebrews 1:8-9 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” Example: If your name is Emmanuel Salomon Jeremiah, Jeremiah is your father's name which you have inherited. People can call you Jeremiah and you will respond, especially if your father is not there with you. But being called Jeremiah does not make you your father. There's a clear distinction. It's the same with Christ. I hope this assists you in understanding.

@@kevohmistari I don’t refute that Jesus according to Hebrew 1:8 is God. I refute Sean Finnegan’s teaching that Jesus must not be worship. Because according to him Jesus is not God therefore not to be worship.

@@emmanuelsalomon8954 Okay, I get you now.

You aren't missing anything. Trinitarians are when they use this logic

Incredibly good logic. Well said. And trinity forces church members to commit the only unforgivable sin. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

You are missing a couple of things. First, if you re-watch where he brings this up, he does so after he makes a fallacious argument from ignorance. Of course Trinitarians who disagree will want to point out he can't argue from lack of understanding to a CONCLUSION that he's right. And second we are NOT saying that this is the SUPPORT for our view; OTHER things are.

When he uses that fallacy to the typical Christian, who probably isn't that well educated in logic, they'll intuitively realize it's a bad argument because in your normal life you can't assume "if I don't understand X, X must be false", and since they're religious, of course they'll think of the biblical passage about mysterious ways as their way to express it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with their doing so, but yes, it sounds bad because modern anti-Christian skeptics and in these cases Christian (I guess? He does say at two points that he's not in the church so... not sure what he calls himself) anti-Trinitarians/etc. have realized they can make an emotional propoganda attack based on it.

Bravo! Humility to God, always. But also a perpetual student, hungry to improve our understanding. This is one of the key flaws of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th century church scholars -- they wanted to *_"fix"_* the meaning to some physical meaning (the "ink") rather than help others to develop the ability to discover the **_spirit_* behind the ink. Because *_every_* man is not omniscient, we all -- each and every one of us -- always has more to learn. So, it seems, while we remain in this physical universe, God's Truth will *_never_* be a destination, but merely a direction, for Truth is entirely spiritual in nature and thus cannot be held by the words in any human language. After 69 years of study, I know that I have far more to learn. My current, relative truth remains imperfect, and in need of improvement. So, out of necessity, I remain humble to God so that I may learn the next lesson. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

@Chris Cuomo Perhaps "claim" was too strong a word, for many Christians never explicitly claim what they know, but they strongly imply it by their statements of *_certainty._* Let me as you this: "Are you omniscient?" I suspect that you will answer, "No," to this, but correct me if I'm wrong. The implications of a "no" answer are that you have more to learn. All learning requires humility, and most Christians I've met have insufficient humility; their *_certainty_* gets in the way. While it is good not to "swallow" the viewpoints of others, too often Christians do this, but do not realize that they do it. They accept the views of some Earthly "experts," but shy away from those of others. Let's look at applicable scripture. In 2 Corinthians 3.3-8, we learn that we are not to cling to the "ink" as all biblical literalists do, but need to find the "spirit" of scripture to find everlasting life, for the "letter" (the literal ink) leads to death. Christ said that many are called but few chosen. Out of the roughly 2.5 billion Christians, could this mean millions? Thousands? A dozen? This alone should humble every single Christian into *_wondering, "What is it that would make Christ reject so many?"_* Perhaps even better, to ask, *_"Dear Lord, what else can you teach me about these things?"_* Christ also said that the way is narrow or difficult. Too many Christians treat salvation as a comfortable location. He also said that many would call him, "Lord," but would end up being cast out by him. My recommendation to ALL Christians is to cultivate a deep and healthy humility to God, *_perpetually_* seeking to understand His words more completely, for it is quite likely that you will *_never_* reach omniscience so long as you remain on this side of the narrow gate.

@Chris Cuomo Hypocrisy? I point out flaws knowing that I have many, so there is no hypocrisy, there. Some seem to imply their own omniscience and perfection, missing all the evidence which proves them wrong by their certainty. And you seem so certain, but cannot argue your point without obfuscation. I'm happy to learn from others; you don't seem to be so much. For instance, your argument by which you "prove" your hypocrisy claim is as clear as mud. Instead of using obtuse symbology, why not state a precise example? Or are you afraid of learning something? I'm beginning to think you're merely an agent of chaos, or so completely befuddled you cannot make a coherent argument. I like to learn, and so far you are failing in the "teaching" department. *_Try one more time._* If your next reply is as "clear" as the previous ones, I'll have to pass on your "wisdom."

Yeah, we would need some logic to show why he couldn't use singular pronouns for the Being, versus just Persons, or that all cases aren't of one Person. But probably a somewhat understandable mistake of not knowing Wisdom theology so not understanding that this pronoun setup is expected by informed Trinitarians. (Jesus is God's Wisdom per NT.)

I don't think you can be taken seriously because his logic does follow and your points were already addressed which you ignored. This is not a fallacy from him but you are using the exact same fallacy that you are accusing him of.

If God is plural then that would be the way they would address themselves. Then to suggest using a few instances of plurality as a means to say God is plural is ignoring those other times and to ignore the context and exact meaning. His logic is correct and it does follow. However yours doesn't.

​@@logicianbonesso you have to be an informed Trinitarian to expect this pronoun set up which was never a part of any Israelite teaching or understanding. I'm glad you said it. I couldn't have worded it better myself. Out of the horse's mouth. You undue your own doctrine

GOD cannot lie

Can you notice a paradox? *God cannot be limited* God cannot not be God God cannot be the devil God cannot be wrong God cannot become an impossible reality

Good point, but Adam Kadmon (the spiritual half of man) was created outside of time -- in Heaven, where there is no space, time, energy or mass. And, as such, Adam, as well as all of the angels of Heaven are "I AM" and never "I was" or "I shall be." Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

@@RodMartinJr We wouldn't say that Adam's spirit was "created outside of time" but rather that in God's omniscience God already had the knowledge pattern of what it would be (or you could think of it as "could be" but obviously being beyond time he always knows he creates Adam at that point in our time). It was CREATED withIN time.

@@RodMartinJr Also heaven has time and space; this is a common misconception not rooted in the Bible (see Randy Alcorn's Heaven for the background on that). Neither Adam nor angels were "I AM" (except when speaking of their actual present times of course, but even there knowing the meaning of that name of God they would avoid it).

@@RodMartinJr Also this is falsified by the reaction of the people of the time; they knew this isn't so of Adam or angels so rightly saw it as a claim to be God.

@@RodMartinJr And keep in mind this video set a rule that any such explanation like what you gave is "cheating," so while explanations (if sound) are on the table for US, they aren't for anti-Trinitarians who hold to that argument. If you reject that argument, everything else SEEMING to "support" Unitarianism falls apart too.

Hi, just remember Physics... God created the fabric of Space-Time. There was No "Time" before creation as there was No "Space" either. Therfore, 1-God abides outside spacetime but can permeate through it at will (omnipresent, omnisapient). 2-The Verb, the Logos, Beguinning of all creation could very well have been begotten before time and space were created (there is no "time" before him). Greetings,

@@lh7550 Hello L H, Eugene here. Thanks for your input. If we ask, When did something come into existence?", do we not have to consider what we mean by the word/concept "existence"? If "something" was in God's mind before "it" became "physical", when did it come to "exist"? You seem to want the creation of our cosmos to be the first thing God created in/from all eternity. Think about this: If God is a creator God, a working, moving, thinking Being, and God does not change who/what He is, then it is reasonable to think that He has always been what He now is. Could you imagine a creator God who "became what He had not been prior"? So, I think God has always been a creator and thus He has always had a creation of some kind. Next, the concept of time and space, is just a tool to describe "where" things are and their "motion". Please note that we use the word "time" in different ways. When the teacher tells the students that they have twenty minutes to complete the test, and then twenty minutes later tells then that "time is up", she does not mean that "time" no longer exists. It would be reasonable to think that "time and space" did not exist "here in this cosmos" before it was created, but that does not mean that God has not always been "somewhere" doing "one thing after the other", which could be measured with the "tool" we know as time. When God makes something we ought to be able to think of those things as being somewhere in relation to where God is as well as to where the other things are. That requires the concept of space. There is some who want God to be outside of time and space because they think God would be limited by these ideas, that is not the case. If space and time are limitless/infinite, it they are only concepts of some mind, then how could they limit God? They could not. Write me back.

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A false doctrine which was patched together over a period of several *_centuries_* by church leaders who became increasingly *_hateful and brutal._* (In other words, increasingly un-Christian.)

Jesus is a human. He was born by a man and a woman just like us. He didn't exist before he was born. The messiah is a human.

Amen, and a very gentle model for how to engage with them! That's frustratingly difficult as they often seem to use methods that look a lot like intentional manipulation tactics -- like in this video he appeals to passages we admit are tough for us and says any attempt to explain is "cheating" -- yet he doesn't in fairness then show the passages you mentioned and explain those.

The only way I can imagine that working is if he either hopes his audience never finds out that those passages look not just tough for Unitarians but downright impossible, or else he hopes they'll just tolerate the cognitive dissonance when Unitarians then start to try to explain them away and not notice they themselves said any explaining = cheating.

Read your Bible, the OT is filled with people worshiping angels, kings, judges and people of high regard without confounding GOD's commandments. With that said, the Old Testament shows Israel bowing down and worshiping YHWH and King David. And so while you may believe worshiping Jesus meant He must therefore be GOD Himself, it remains that the Bible does not support such a claim, in-that it is obvious that worship in-itself is not specific to that which is due to GOD, but moreso, where it can also encompass bowing-down before others in a show of reverence. PS. the men who came to worship Jesus' at birth did not come to worship GOD, but the King of the Jews. And so here again, the evidence does not support the claim, that Jesus who was now emptied of His divine nature, and who was lower than the angels on earth, was clearly not equal-to or GOD Himself.

@Emmanuel Salomon. Very good point. I've made this point myself, and it's so easy for people to make up lame-duck excuses and say that in the OT people worshipped (falsely) angels, kngs, judges, etc. But at the end of the day, we know that only God truly is worshipped and receives worship. Anyone else who receives worship and does not CORRECT those who falsely worship anyone who is not truly God is in essence saying He is worthy of worship and saying He is God. Honest people have to admit this. The problem is, we have too many dishonest people trying to hold on to dishonest and weak arguments just so they can have one against the deity of Jesus - even if it falls flat and doesn't work. lol

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I think you are very confused. In which verse did Jesus say "I am God"? I think you are confusing arguments people make to try to say he was God Almighty with him actually saying it. But he doesn't.

@@Psalm-pu2jq In John 8, Jesus says, "Before Abraham was born, I AM," and the people try to stone him for blasphemy. Also check Mark 14, in which Jesus makes a claim to divinity so explicit that the High Priest tears his robes and asks "What further proof do you need?" It is you, my friend, who is confused. Jesus is a Liar, a Lunatic, or the Lord. I think he's the Lord, God incarnate. What about you?

@@joelpierce1453 Like I said - I think that you are very confused. Your arguments do not pass the simple test that I gave you - Where does Jesus say "I am God"? You are substituting worn out trinitarian arguments in the place of what should be a simple statement. I encourage you to take some time and begin rethinking the doctrine that you have been fed. The truth is better. Give it a chance. It will do you good.

@@Psalm-pu2jq Have you not read the story of Moses encountering the burning bush? Where God speaks and calls himself the I AM? Jesus is referencing this exact event. When Jesus says: "Before Abraham was born, I AM," he is using the same name of God given to Moses. When he tells the High Priest in Mark 14 that "you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven," (Mark 14:62) he is making an equally explicit claim to divinity, one the high priest and other scribes and pharisees recognized. You have to be willfully blind to not recognize these as claims to divinity. Jesus' audience immediately recognized these claims, which is why they wanted to stone Jesus for blasphemy. You are just like them. You are calling God a liar.

@@Psalm-pu2jq Further, the apostles understood clearly that Jesus was God. Have you not read Philippians 2? "In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage," (Philippians 2:5‭-‬6). Or have you not read Colossians? Where it is written: "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." (Colossians 1:15). "The image of the invisible God," meaning God in the flesh. God with us, Emmanuel. It is an inescapable fact of scripture that Jesus IS Yahweh, and denying it is heresy. You have deserted the truth of scripture and turned to another gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). A Jesus who is not God is a Jesus who cannot save, and you are still dead in your sins.

In Acts 10:25-26 Peter refused to accept being worship. Rev 19:9-10 the angel refused to be worshipped, God must be worship. Matthew 4:9-10 Jesus said worship only God. So, according to the Bible DO NOT WORSHIP Human, Angel or Created beings. Now in the following verses: Matthew 2:2, 2:11, 8:11, 9:18, 14:33, 15:25, 20:20, 28:9, 28:17, Mark 5:6, 15:9, Luke 24:52. Jesus Christ was worshipped by people and He received and accepted the worship. According to the Bible from Genesis to Revelation only God can be worship, you Mr. Finnegan as a Unitarian do not believe that Jesus Christ is not God. Then explain why the worship was accepted and received by Jesus Christ. who is lying now? YOU or JESUS CHRIST!

@@emmanuelsalomon8954 Hebrews 1:6.

​@emmanuelsalomon8954 check the Greek. It did NOT say "worship"... it said "obeisance"... a sign of respect, expressing deferential respect, such as a bow or curtsy

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Two problems with that: 1) This video and every other Unitarian argument I've yet seen rests on premises (sometimes hidden, maybe intentionally so) that are man-made. Like the idea that Trinitarianism is evil and similar things in this video around where he makes this point about manmade. Just pause there and read the slide on-screen; it has MANY manmade claims!

2) It forgets that Jesus himself taught that we're supposed to make deductions that are sound from what is taught, and chastised people when they failed to do so. So a sound deduction from what's stated isn't "manmade" even if it isn't explicitly stated (that said, much of what he claimed in the video IS explicitly denied! Like that Jesus explicitly said he existed before Abraham!).

​@@logicianbonesthe trinity is false and comes from a Greek and Roman background. God never taught this to chosen people -the Israelites. You just don't like the truth because it's offensive to what you were taught

Father (God) and Son (Christ) are not the same person.

@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod Wrong. Jesus said, "if you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." John 14:9 Jesus also said, "I and the Father are One." John 10:30-33 God is not 3 individual persons. That makes 3 gods, not one God.

@@Revelation18-4 God is one person, the Father. Jesus is a different person, the Son of God, the Christ. Jesus did not say "I am the Father" nor "I and the Father are the same person." God is not three.

@@Revelation18-4 Let me help you by asking who is the Son according to Isaiah 9:6? Is He the Almighty God (el gibor in Hebrew with English letters) and the Everlasting Father? Also, who did Jesus say He was (and is) when He told the Pharisees that 'Abraham rejoiced to see Me in his day' and that 'before Abraham was I AM'?

@@jamiegilbert9785 The pharisee's rejected Yeshua/ Jesus, who is almighty God. The trinity is a pagan belief and Catholicism followed suit along with the harlot daughters of Revelation. The Godhead is biblical. Colossians 2:9 God has 3 parts consisting of soul, body, and Spirit. He is not 3 persons of a pagan trinity.

Jehovah is the savior. Jesus was the instrument

@@AstariahJW which bible verses support the belief that Jesus was an instrument?

@@AquarianAgeApostle Yes Jesus is our savior and king, but he is our only savior in the sense of being the only one (excluding God in heaven, the source of that salvation who sent him for this purpose) who gave us the opportunity for eternal salvation. This is explained in John 3:17: "Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." - NRSV. Jehovah is the source and jesus is the instrument Jehovah also used moses as a savior for Israelites

@@AstariahJW so the sun total of your entire ontology and low Christology whereby Jesus is reduced to a mere instrument is to be found in only one verse. A verse that refers to Jesus as God's Son? Tell me, do you have a son? A daughter perhaps? Is your son or daughter a mere instrument of *yours*? Or is he/she someone who is OF *you( because he/she is FROM you?

@@AquarianAgeApostle what you talking about ? Jesus isnt literally an instrument. GOD from the beginning purpose seed that with crush satan . The seed is jesus . Jesus was the perfect ransom to die on our behalf Jehovah sent his son into the world to die for us and he resurrected his son on the third day Jesus willingly offer himself up for us Jehovah is the source of salvation and jesus was part of it

Because of peer pressure, because of familiarity, and because of a lack of humility to God -- replaced with humility to man and to his interpretation. Gregory of Nyssa (4th century church scholar) argued very poorly for "trinity," but he was in the *_democratic_* majority. But Truth cares not for majority. Gregory lied about his opponent, Eunomius, and after Eunomius died, his books were burned and his body moved from his home town. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

In Acts 10:25-26 Peter refused to accept being worship. Rev 19:9-10 the angel refused to be worshipped, God must be worship. Matthew 4:9-10 Jesus said worship only God. So, according to the Bible DO NOT WORSHIP Human, Angel or Created beings. Now in the following verses: Matthew 2:2, 2:11, 8:11, 9:18, 14:33, 15:25, 20:20, 28:9, 28:17, Mark 5:6, 15:9, Luke 24:52. Jesus Christ was worshipped by people and He received and accepted the worship. According to the Bible from Genesis to Revelation only God can be worship, you Mr. Finnegan as a Unitarian do not believe that Jesus Christ is not God. Then explain why the worship was accepted and received by Jesus Christ. who is lying now? YOU or JESUS CHRIST!

@@emmanuelsalomon8954 I can't speak for Mr. Finnegan, but it seems clear that Jesus *_allowed_* a great many lies, misconceptions and misunderstandings to persist. For instance, choosing Judas Iscariot as one of his inner 12 disciples. He knew the man's heart. Why would he choose Judas? Because he needed a betrayer to help him fulfill prophecy. In another incident, Jesus asked his disciples to buy swords, but after one of his disciples used his sword, Jesus condemned the use, warning that he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. Why did he do this groan-worthy about face? He needed to ensure that the temple guards would not hesitate in arresting him. This was needed to help ensure that prophecy was fulfilled. Christ said that many would be called but few would be chosen! There may be many reasons why the *_MAJORITY_* of Earth's 2.4 billion Christians will fail to make it into Heaven. But the vast majority of Christians are trinitarians. And believing that the object of salvation *_does not need salvation_* because it is a part of some fictional godhead, *_is indeed the only unforgivable sin, because of the individual's decision to block that required forgiveness._* Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_* *_The Logical Christian: Handbook of spiritual reasoning in an unthinking, secular world_* *_Enemies of Christ_*

​@@RodMartinJr 1) So your argument is that it was okay for Jesus to accept sinful worship and referring to him as God, even though sinless angels couldn't? 2) It's obvious why he chose Judas. His whole purpose was to die and he needed a traitor. I don't see the comparison. 3) Swords was for defense against thieves, not rebellion!

i appreciate these discussion that have the intent of disproving the Trinity and then actually give fair analysis to support it even more so. his analogy of 3 persons are human but not the same is so eye-opening. for we are all equal and human yet different persons, and when we become one with the body of Christ who is one with the Father, then we can share in that unity of the Holy Spirit. Amazing analogy to prove the Trinity!

@@philosophicalneo WTH?

@@philosophicalneo That you say such a thing proves that you have a very weak grasp of logic. If we can have unity through the Holy Spirit to Christ and then to God, as one of the verses quoted affirms, then that would mean that we can also be God, by your logic. Polynity? You just destroyed your own argument!

@@alsanabani Disagree! Christianity started not with the trinity and certainly will *_not_* end with it, either. It started with Yeshua of Nazareth and will continue until we are all returned to Heaven by our own decision; and those who decide to stay behind will remain deterministic cogs in the machine of action-reaction physical reality. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

@@RodMartinJr being gathered into the body of Christ does not diminish nor remove the truth or essence of Him. Just as we operate in a body of government or a nation as a collective, the form of the unity is shared with all. This just happens to be spiritual unity. We are not 'America' nor are we the 'Government', we are members of a body that is already whole with or without us. Your reference to becoming God is similar to heretical teachings like in Mormonism or new age spiritual movements. I would prefer you not conclude that my arguments are destroyed before I say my piece. Lest you read your own words and conclude the same :)

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@@MrBlakeD82 No citation is possible.

@lawrence1318 so, basically... You: make claim Me: "provide evidence" You: "Nuh-uh." The reason no citation is possible is because you are making a false claim. The Trinity is not apparent, or witnessed, in our DNA, nor is God's name, or any other such nonsense. In fact, most of the early church fathers were not Trinitarian in belief, and those that did believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit were parts of the same essence, the Son was subordinate to the Father, as the Spirit was subordinate to the Son. Most of these men cited what we now know as John 14:28 to back up this belief, as Jesus says "The Father is greater than I." The Trinitarian Foundational scripture, 1 John 5:7, was found in no original Greek manuscript, and is not found in the Latin until over 300 years after Jesus's death. It could be argued that the first gospel, Mark, holds an adoptionist theology, and that the 'eternal nature' of Jesus wasn't fully embraced until the last gospel, John.

@@MrBlakeD82 *_The reason no citation is possible is because you are making a false claim_* No. The reason is that it is not possible for the original author of an idea to cite a foregoing author on the same idea. I'm the original author. So then, we see that you're not too bright on 2 counts: 1. You assume that an idea being presented must have been presented by someone else earlier. 2. You imply that a citation represents a terminus, and yet at the same time once presented with a citation, necessarily by your own reasoning of (1) above would demand a yet further citation preceding the first. _Argumentum ab auctoritate ad infinitum._ So then, all this combined with your resistant attitude, renders you an unworthy recipient of the knowledge I could impart to you on the matter at hand.

The same goes for Deuteronomy 6:4. In most English translations the verse says 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is one.' However, according to the Masoretic text, that verse says (translated to English) 'Hear, [O] Israel. The LORD is our God. The LORD is one (echad in Hebrew with English letters)'.

@@jamiegilbert9785 Deuteronomy 6:4 Here is the correct translation 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 World English Bible Hear, Israel: *Yahweh is our God.* Yahweh is one. Trinitarians have removed our Father GOD's name, to Lord, to make people believe Jesus is GOD, as Jesus is also called Lord, which is another deception!

A delegate of the President is to be expected to be received as if you received the President. Tur delegate represents the President as if he was the President. Simple concept, really.

@@konstantinallinforchrist9867 Well said. I use the same logic in one of my books. The ambassador speaks for the Prime Minister as if he were the Prime Minister. And pharaoh told Joseph, Here is my ring; you speak for me. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

Strange how you ignore the evidence

@@jamiesimms7084 Mathew 16 : 18.says the church cannot die (the gates of hades cannot prevail against it). John 14 : 26 and 15 26 tell us that the HOLY SPIRIT teaches the church and testifies about JESUS CHRIST. Jerusalem and Antioch set the standard as they always have. They are Trinitarian.

@@Episcopalianacolyte Good, well I'll just stick to the truth and be with God and not the status quo of a brainwashed education and bullying regime that indoctrinates and promotes the unholy doctrine of the trinity

@@jamiesimms7084 the _evidence_ is That both Jerusalem and Antioch fill the promise and both are taught by the HOLY SPIRIT. They are TRINITARIAN. Only they set the standard. Without the HOLY SPIRIT, man cannot believe.

@@jamiesimms7084 man manufactures evidence against the TRINITY, because they are not taught by the HOLY SPIRIT. Jerusalem and Antioch fill the promise and both are TRINITARIAN.

Moses was made a "god" for pharaoh and parted the sea etc.

Where in the Bible does it say the Spirit is God?

@@lcenteno262 Acts 5:3

@@AquarianAgeApostle This scripture presents a perfect example of how religionists ignore context, focusing on a single aspect of a verse to make it say something it clearly does not. Acts 5:3-4 is the verse that everyone uses to claim that the Holy Spirit is God. Why have so many stopped being like the Bereans and stop at one Bible verse? Jesus tells us clearly in John 10:35 that scripture cannot be broken. What most fail to realize is that Peter used a figure of speech in Acts 5. Now, if Peter actually thought that the Holy Spirit was God, he would have let Cornelius bow down to him in Acts 10, but no, for it is written: "As Peter was about to go in, Cornelius met him, fell at his feet, and bowed down before him. But Peter made him rise. “Stand up,” he said, “I myself am only a man.” (Acts 10:26) But he had the Holy Spirit, didn't he? Wouldn't that make him God according to Acts 5:3-4? The Holy Spirit (the hosts of heaven/angels of the Lord) are his messengers/ambassadors. What do ambassadors do? The person acts as a diplomat on behalf of a king or country (i.e. the Lord/kingdom of God) so if you spoke to the ambassador, you were just as well speaking to the king/ruler/government who sent him. In Genesis 32, we see this same figure of speech used by the angel of the Lord as well as Jacob for it is written: "The man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob. You have struggled WITH GOD and with men, and you have won; so your name will be Israel.” Jacob said, “Now tell me your name.” But he answered, “Why do you want to know my name?” Then he blessed Jacob. Jacob said, “I have SEEN GOD face-to-face, and I am still alive”; so he named the place Peniel." (Genesis 32:28-30) If Jacob actually wrestled with God, not only would he have lost, he would have died. If he would have seen God face to face, he would have died as only the Son has seen the Father (John 1:18) Now we read in Hosea 12:3-4 for it is written: "when Jacob grew up, he fought AGAINST GOD--he fought against an ANGEL and won." (Hosea 12:3-4) Are the angels God? Absolutely Not! (Hebrews 1:5-14). They are of God! Spirit of God! The breath (ruach) of God. We see this same figure of speech used again for it is written: “The LORD said, "I am going to make you like God to the king, and your brother Aaron will speak to him as your prophet.” (Exodus 7:1) Was Moses God? Absolutely not! He was the Lord’s ambassador sent on his behalf. “When you complain against Aaron, it is really against the LORD that you and your followers are rebelling.” (Numbers 16:11) Was Aaron God? Absolutely Not! Like Moses, Peter, and the Holy Spirit, he was the ambassador of the Lord and speaking and acting on his behalf. Hebrews 1 tells us outright the difference between Jesus and the Holy Spirt for it is written: "What are the ANGELS, then? They are SPIRITS who serve God and are SENT by him to HELP those who are to RECEIVE salvation." (Hebrews 1:14) Again, very clear. There is our HELPER. Jesus said no messenger is greater than the one who sends him (John 13:16). The holy host/angels of the Lord who were in the presence of God (Matt. 18:10) were sent by Christ (John 7:39). Are the holy hosts/angels God? No, they are of God. Christ said it himself that the Holy Spirit doesn't “speak on his own authority” and “reveals the truth about God” NOT is God. The Spirit will “show you the things to come” (John 16:13) Go back to Hebrews 1 the teaching is clear for it is written: “But when God was about to send his first-born Son into the world, he said, “All of God's angels must worship him.” (Heb. 1:6) So clearly, the Holy Spirit is not God but of God, Spirit of God. And just as Jesus said, scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35). AMEN!

@@lcenteno262 so, is the Holy Spirit a person? or something else? In Acts 13:2 he Holy Spirit speak and said to separate Barnabas and Paul, Mark 3:28-29 Jesu speaks about blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Sounds like a person to me and in Ephesians 4:30 says do not grieve the Holy Spirit. I believe only a person or being can be grieve or sorrowful.

@@emmanuelsalomon8954 They are defined as the holy angels (Heb. 1:14). Hebrews 1 tells us the differnce. Now, what is the meaning of Hebrew word Ruach? Ruach (pronounced roo-akh) is the Hebrew word for spirit, breath, or wind. When spoken, the word engages one’s breath and lungs. The first mention of Ruach in the Bible is in the very first chapter of Genesis - Genesis 1:2 to be exact: “And the earth was a formless and desolate emptiness, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit (Ruach) of God was HOVERING OVER the surface of the waters.” (Gen. 1:2) This verse points directly to Job 38:4-7 for it is written: Were you there when I made the world? If you know so much, tell me about it. Who decided how large it would be? Who stretched the measuring line over it? Do you know all the answers? What holds up the pillars that support the earth? Who laid the cornerstone of the world? In the DAWN OF THAT DAY the STARS SANG together, and the HEAVENLY BEINGS shouted for joy.” (Job 38:4-7) Jesus tells us scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35) The Spirit of God as he gave us the breath [ruach] of life (Genesis 2:7). “The Spirit of God has made me; the breath [ruach] of the Almighty gives me life.” (Job 33:4) Do you know how the hosts of heaven/holy angels were made? By the breath [ruach] of his mouth for it is written: “By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and ALL THE HOST of them by the BREATH of his mouth.” (Psalms 33:6) So if we were not made just of flesh, we would be……holy angels/hosts of heaven. “As soon as Jesus was baptized, he came up out of the water. Then heaven was opened to him, and he SAW THE SPIRIT OF GOD COMING DOWN like a dove and lighting on him.” (Matthew 3:16). Notice he saw it was the Spirit of God coming down, not a dove. It came down like a dove NOT IS A DOVE. I pointed to Hebrews 1:14 as the statement of fact about who the Holy Spirit is, now take a look at the description of the holy angles/hosts of heaven in Hebrews 1:7 for it is written: “But about the ANGELS God said, “God makes his angels WINDS, and his servants FLAMES OF FIRE.” (Hebrews 1:7) Now, go to Acts 2:2-4, you will find a similar description there when the apostles received the Holy Spirit for it is written: “Suddenly there was a noise from the sky which sounded like a STRONG WIND blowing, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then they saw what looked like TOUNGES OF FIRE which spread out and touched EACH PERSON there”. They were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to TALK IN OTHER LANGUAGES, as the SPIRIT ENABLED THEM TO SPEAK.” (Acts 2:2-4) Paul confirms this in 1 Cor. 13:1 for it is written: “Though I speak with the tongues of men and ANGELS” (How clear!) Paul continues confirm this in 1 Cor. 14:2 for it is written: “Those who speak in strange tongues DO NOT SPEAK TO OTHERS BUT TO GOD, because NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THEM. They are SPEAKING SECRET TRUTHS by the POWER of the SPIRIT”. (1 Cor. 14:2) “You know about Jesus of Nazareth and how God POURED OUT ON HIM the Holy Spirit and POWER. He went everywhere, doing good and HEALING all who were under the power of the Devil, for God was with him.” (Acts 10:38) And Jesus read from Isiah saying: “The SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,” (Luke 4:18) This statement is going to totally corroborate Jesus’ next statement of fact and prove without a shadow of doubt what the Holy Spirit is for it is written: “And he said to them, “I am telling you the truth: you will see heaven open and God's ANGELS going up and coming down on the Son of Man.” (John 1:51) And in the very next chapter the first miracle happens and all the miracles subsequently thereafter. Now to understand the above verses and know what the power of the Holy Spirit is, you have to read John 5:4 for it is written: “For an ANGEL went down at a certain season INTO the pool, and TROUBLED the water: WHOSEVER then FIRST after the troubling of the water stepped in was made WHOLE of WHATSOEVER disease he had.” (John 5:4) Understand, only ONE person was healed after the angel troubled the water. The holy angels had the power to heal only one person at a time which corroborates the statement of fact Jesus made in John 1:51 as the angels would ascend and descend upon him giving him the power to perform miracles. God’s power, the hosts of heaven/holy angels, the collective group known as the Holy Spirit working through Christ for it is written: “All the people tried to touch him, for POWER WAS GOING OUT FROM HIM and HEALING them all.” (Luke 6:19) “One day when Jesus was teaching, some Pharisees and teachers of the Law were sitting there who had come from every town in Galilee and Judea and from Jerusalem. The POWER of the Lord WAS PRESENT for Jesus to HEAL the sick”. (Luke 5:17) "But Jesus said, “Someone touched me, for I knew it when POWER WENT OUT OF ME.” (Luke 8:46) "But I have a witness on my behalf which is even greater than the witness that John gave: what I do, that is, the DEEDS my Father GAVE ME TO DO, THESE SPEAK ON MY BEHALF and SHOW that the Father has sent me.” (John 5:36) Jesus tells us who the Holy Spirit is again here in Mark 13:32 for it is written: "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the ANGELS which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32) (take note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) "If you are ashamed of me and of my teaching, then the Son of Man will be ashamed of you when he comes in HIS GLORY and in the GLORY OF THE Father AND of the HOLY ANGELS." (Luke 9:26) (take note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) …..”In the presence of my Father and of his ANGELS I will declare openly that they belong to me.” (Rev 3:5) (take note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) “And he said unto me, these sayings are faithful and true; and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his ANGEL to shew unto his servants the things which must be done shortly”. (Rev. 22:6) “I Jesus have sent mine ANGEL to TESTIFY unto you these things in the churches”. (Rev. 22:16) Paul tells us who the Holy Spirit is for it is written: "In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the HOLY ANGELS I solemnly call upon you to obey these instructions without showing any prejudice or favor to anyone in anything you do”. (1 Timothy 5:21) (take note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) “And God, who sees into our hearts, knows what the THOUGHT of the Spirit is; because the Spirit PLEADS with God on behalf of his people and in accordance with his will.” (Romans 8:27) Did you catch that? God knows the thought of the Spirit. It is separate from God as it also pleads with God, therefore, it cannot be God, but of God, the hosts of heaven/holy angels. Let the author of our faith, Jesus Christ, say it himself for it is written: “And when he had said this, he BREATHED on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. “ (John 20:22) Hope this helps. Continue to read and study your Bible in truth and spirit brother.

i like what you wrote, we need to have a disposition capable of accepting these teachings that did develop overtime. we cant confront the teaching because of a preconditioned assertion or reasoning. my question to unitarians is when Jesus says he would send the comforter or Holy Spirit, what do they think the Holy Spirit is doing with humanity now? we can answer being received in Baptism... but then what? clearly He is helping us understand God more fully and also helping us to live and become holier in a spiritual sense

Yet you use logical fallacies yourself. You make Appeal to the Stone-type logical fallacies without actually addressing the points made in this video. Just because *_YOU_* cannot understand God's Truth does not mean no one can. In fact, Christ proved you wrong when he said that all we need to do is ask and we will receive. *_We can ask for God's wisdom in order to understand these things, and He will give to us that for which we ask._* The early church *_created_* trinity very cleverly out of nothing but wild interpretation of existing scripture. And then they built more lies based on their creation. Gradually, the church became more certain of itself *_(less humble to God),_* more hateful and more brutal, and *_less capable of performing miracles._* That you accuse others of being erroneous, fallacious and being incapable of understanding, you are *_not_* being humble to God, but to your own interpretation, likely borrowed from other men and their tradition. I grew up trinitarian (Southern Baptist), but gave that up at age 9, because I could not rest with such lies; God was calling me to something greater. But even after dozens of miracles, some of them replicated numerous times, I know that I have yet much more to learn. Though not all miracles are of the Father, those who cannot even raise their own spiritual selves up to the point of performing even one miracle, should not cast the first stone. ADDENDUM: Someone else's comment (DaDitka1985) prompted me to come back, because he made so much sense on this one point: *_You_* claim, "God's ontology doesn't need to fit finite human reasoning," yet you imply that you *_already know God's ontology!!! Thus, your statement reeks of hypocrisy and false humility! You imply that you know that God is "trinity," but that no one else can know otherwise, because of your own pretense at *_omniscience._* You "know" because you have scoured all 98 sextillion worlds, all 13.8 billion years of history, and have found nothing to contradict "trinity." That's what your blind *_certainty_* implies. Stop implying for yourself and your fellow trinitarians indefensible *_omniscience._*

You actually just stumbled on a real trinity: ☆ Father, Jesus and the true church, the Body of Christ. They are one in Spirit but they are not the same being of course. Sean's example of the 3 humans, who all have a human nature and are not each other is still lacking in analogy as those 3 humans are not one being. The teaching of the trinity is riddled with contradictions and violates language and logic. All we have to ask is this: 1. Is there are any other God but Jesus' God? No. His God is God the Father. 2. Was the jew Jesus the messiah, who made his God known to the world, a trinitarian? No. Mark 12:28-34; John 17:3. Case closed.

@@konstantinallinforchrist9867 is it right to assume Unitarians dont worship Christ because they dont believe Him to be God incarnate?

@@philosophicalneo No that is wrong. That is based on the false assumption that only God can be worshipped/receive worship.

@@konstantinallinforchrist9867 then whom else do you worship besides God as a Unitarian Christian?

@@philosophicalneo God's Anoited One, God's Christ Jesus who sits on the Throne of God and wields God's authority. Take a look at those examples - it is the same situation: Chronicles 29:20,23 [20]And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king. [23]Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him. ☆ King David was God's anoited, God's Christ and sat on the Throne of God. The people worshipped BOTH the Lord God and their King David who was God's King. Now it came about after the death of Saul, when David had returned from the slaughter of the Amalekites, that David remained two days in Ziklag. On the third day, behold, a man came out of the camp from Saul, with his clothes torn and dust on his head. And it came about when he came to David that he fell to the ground and prostrated himself. - 2 Samuel 1:1-2 We have PLENTY examples of people being worshipped in the scriptures that were not God. Just take a concordance and do a word study on the word "worship". ---- You cannot go wrong if you just listen to what Jesus believed and taught about God.

Very poorly argued. You make claims of fact, but never back them up with reasoning. So many other verses show Jesus NOT to be God, including many statements made directly by Jesus. Your weak argument is destroyed and you didn't even attempt to protect it.

@@RodMartinJr Really? Poor argument? It's just facts. There's a lot of NT verses showing that he is divine, and also just like you said, a lot showing he's a man. So how you deal with it? For it's impossible for a man become God, and not the other way around. To take your view and agree with it, I have put aside all the verses that shows Jesus's divinity. For instance Jesus asked his disciples to pray to him (too), ho a mere man able to listen to all people prayer? It's you my friend who has a really poor argument against trinitarian. And about John1 how can a PLAN can own something? How can a plan become the light of men? Isn't that a reason why we should rejected the interpretation that it means "plan"?

@@tyowongndeso No. Claims of fact without reasoning to support them are a hypothesis in search of testing. You gave conclusions without showing your work. If you had been one of my college students, I would have failed you for your "truncated logic." You assume too much. I left the trinitarian doctrine 63 years ago, and have never found any reason to go back to it. I remain humble to Truth and keep searching to perfect my own imperfect understanding, but you seem incapable of such humility. You assume, for instance, that there is only one possible interpretation for the claims made by Christ that *_you_* interpret as his "divinity." There are lots of definitions for "divine" besides that of being The God. Christ is divine, but he is NOT God, as many of the verses you ignore indicate. Jesus is the first to graduate from this training ground called "physical universe." And he came back to help out his *_"friends"_* (his word! not "his subjects"). Praying to him is very compatible with him NOT being God, for he is the only one, to my knowledge to have made it to Heaven and to be working from that divine location. Mere man? You think there are only two possible entities? God and man? There are also angels who are in *_timeless Heaven,_* and thus are also "I AM" and never "I was" or "I shall be." As to your last question: No! God's Truth is spiritual in nature. You are thinking physically in nature. You are relying on the physical *_"ink"_* of scripture rather than its spirit. You are humble to dogma and your current, *_imperfect_* belief. Stuck on the road back to Heaven. And Christ said that the way is narrow and difficult; yet you make it sound "broad and easy." There are 2.3 Billion Christians on Earth, most of them trinitarians. And Christ said that many would be called, but few chosen. Could it be that trinity *_blocks_* you ever making it to Heaven? I on the other hand know that I don't know everything and keep searching for Truth. I now know with a certainty that I will never find Truth in the physical universe, for it is entirely spiritual. Trinity *_blasphemes_* against the Holy Spirit, and thus commits the only unforgivable sin. Reference: *_Trinity Treason: How the church betrayed its flock with the only unforgivable sin_*

@@RodMartinJr basically your argument agree that Jesus claim divinity, but according to you divinity doesnt mean that he's god. that''s actually enough for me to reject that interpretation, because the only being who's divine and uncreated is God, belive in more than one deities, is polytheis. that's it. the reason why i reject such interpretation is as simple as that. it's fine by me if you dont understand trinity, trinity describes the complexity of God. and i think you agree that God in his true form is complex, beyond our comprehension. but i tell you, you shouldnt believe in unitarian understanding of Jesus, coz make a created being worthy of worship that can only given to God is blasphemy. i know unitarian use some verses to show that Jesus is "created" BUT when NT testament writer said that NOTHING came into BEING without HiM, is you should know that "Him" must be uncreated being. because if he is, logically it's false.

@@tyowongndeso You really need to get out more often. Look up the definition. You'll find many definitions which are NOT "God!"