The Trinity Explained: An Appeal to the Jews, Muslims, Oneness Pentecostals, and Jehovah Witnesses

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Jayni Jackson

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Chapters:
0:00 - 3:40: The Importance of the Trinity
3:40 - 9:13: Common Misconceptions about the Origins of the Trinity
9:13 - 13:43: Key Points to Remember
13:43 - 16:28: The Case for the Trinity (God the Father is God)
16:28 - 32:52: The Case for the Trinity (The Son is God)
32:52 - 40:10: The Case for the Trinity (The Holy Spirit is God)
40:10 - 48:23: The Case for the Trinity (The Triune God is one)
48:23 - 58:38The Theological Reflection of the Trinity by the Early Church
58:38 - 1:09:01 - The Historical Development and Controversy of the Trinity
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@yinyang2385
@yinyang2385 Ай бұрын
Why didn't God just become a man? Why does he also need to be the father and the holy spirit? God is more than capable of just turning into a human without the need for the other parts. It sure wouldn't have comprimised Christianity or made it any less beliavable. If God is all knowing and omnipotent he would have known that the trinity would have caused further confusion, rejection and been associated with polytheism. Ditching the father and the holy spirit would have resolved all those issues. I don't buy it and I continue to believe that trinity was an invention of the church and not a part of Gods will.
@jaynijackson
@jaynijackson Ай бұрын
I appreciate your comment, but I believe it demonstrates a lack of knowing who God is. All three persons of the Trinity are eternal which means that they have always existed. Asking “why does God also need to be the father and the Holy Spirit” insinuates that he had a choice not to exist as the Triune God (which not only denies the divinity of the Son [the Arian heresy] but also the Spirit [the Macedonian heresy]). This is why I prefaced the video by stating that we ought not to try to understand the Trinity based off of what seems reasonable or logical to our own standards because to do would not be reasonable or logical. Think about what you are doing in this very comment. You deny the Trinity because you don’t believe an omniscient God would be triune in nature as that would make it confusing for us. Well, being that God did reveal himself to us as being triune, what are you essentially saying about yourself and more importantly about God? You are saying that you are smarter than an omniscient God (which is logically incoherent because you’re not omniscient). I believe you need to come at this doctrine with a different perspective. Instead of following trying to lead with what seems right or reasonable in your own mind, as yourself “where does the evidence of the Scriptures lead me to believe? Hopefully this helps.
@yinyang2385
@yinyang2385 Ай бұрын
​@@jaynijackson How can all parts have always existed if man hasn't always existed, Mary who gave birth to Jesus hasn't always existed and the earth that Jesus resided on hasn't always existed. And if the trinity had always existed it would have been a theme presented to Moses. Something as significant as the trinity would have received centre discussion if it was in fact the true essence of God. On the contrary God repratedly emphasised oneness as his characteristic in the old testament and that's exactly why I don't believe in the trinity. Also the fact that God would have not remained ambiguous on such an important factor had the trinity been part of his form EDIT: To say God has always existed in the form of a trinity put limitation on his omnipotence because it implies God is restricted to exist within a certain structure. Does God not have the power to unify himself into being one? Verses such as this would indicate so: "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord; - Mark 12:29"
@jaynijackson
@jaynijackson Ай бұрын
The Trinity (the Triune God - Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit) has always existed because the trinity is God. Being eternal is kind of what makes God... well... God. Also, I believe you are misunderstanding the nature of Jesus. Jesus did not begin to exist when he departed from Mary's womb. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." - John 1:1. The Apostle John tells us that Jesus is the Word of God who was in the beginning along with the Father. Jesus tells us in Revelation that he is the Alpha and Omega, meaning the beginning and the end (yes, that means he pre-existed Mary). The Holy Spirit is literally the Spirit of God; so, I think it is a given that he was always in the beginning. He was also seen hovering over the waters in Genesis 1:2 at the beginning along with Jesus and the Father, I believe that you should probably give this video a closer listen again because a lot of the objections that you are raising has already been answered in the video. I don't mind interacting with you in the comment section, but I can't do it if you are going to rehash the same points that I already addressed. You have to add something new, or at least address one if the points I made and offered a rebuttal to it.
@lbfather
@lbfather Ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@yinyang2385 Can God create a stone he can’t lift? the answer is no, because he’s so omnipotent he can’t do something that involves him being incapable of doing something. Omnipotence doesn’t mean he can do EVERYTHING, in its most literal sense, it means he’s capable of doing everything metaphysically possible. you’re argument rests on the fact that it would be ultimately better for God to be unitarian as opposed to trinitarian. they’re are two problems with this: firstly, it presumes your assumption is true in the first place (which you cannot prove because your mind is limited, unlike God’s and you’ll never be in his shoes so to speak) and secondly that it doesn’t have to be the case. The reason why we believe trinitarian theology is logically sound is that, by nature, God is a loving God. Love is at the very center of his being, and the role that he plays is much like a father to his son: providing for him but ultimately doing what is best for him to grow and thrive. This nature is made manifest in the Trinity, eternally. For in order to be eternally loving and virtuous :one must have a subject of that love (unless it’s only subject is the love of nothing, which goes against the creative order of God, or the love of his own aspect of love with nothing else, which means nothing) Since God is eternally Virtuous and Loving, multiple subjects are manifest in essence of his being. notice how i did not say parts. All of the persons in the trinity share a will and an essence. However, God’s eternal love is manifest as his spirit, and his eternal love directed to someone is manifest as the Son. A perfect trinity of eternal love, as the Father, with the Spirit of his love, eternally begets the Son. Without the trinity, it implies that God isn’t all-loving before creation, which is a deficit in virtue and would mean that God isn’t all-virtuous either. God can’t have moral deficits, and must therefore be all-loving and virtuous. the Trinity manifests as this reason, and it reflects on us as humans because God plays much the same role with us, and expects us to do much the same to others.
@yinyang2385
@yinyang2385 29 күн бұрын
@@lbfather well I would argue that God being unitarian as opposed to trinitarian is in fact better in terms of God being able to perform efficiently and at the flawless and omnipotent level that God presents himself to be. Because if I were to consider that God is infact a trinity and if look at the way God functions within that form we begin to see a less than perfect display of abilities. Such as the inability to effectively communicate between it's parts. Example of this is seen when Jesus expresses that he has no knowledge of the hour and that only the Father does. Or when Jesus calls out to the Father asking why he is unable to communicate with him and why he has been abondened. Clearly an indication that God as a trinitarian does not have the same level of cohesive functioning and performing as efficiently as a unitarian God.
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