Yes😂😂

Still looks like blackface

No Popo isn't....

@@AstraFulminous .who is popo?

@@DLAXTOX Did I strike a nerve? Or did you wanna break the argument you were supporting by saying "Yes" above.

The 00s have at least some kind of respect to us. Not everyone but some people do show some kind of respect.

Tom And Jerry and Bugs Bunny 😂 Popeyes was more racist tho 😭 Tom, Jerry and Bugs acted like stereotypes but Popeyes was straight up beating and selling black people

thank you

That doesn't matter, the design looks exactly like depictions of black face. It is the way it looks. It's one of the reasons they made him blue in the Kai version of dbz.

@@trayjohnson7065 That literally does matter, if it's not a depiction of a black person then it's not racism against blacks. If you aren't basing whether something is racist or not on race then wth are you basing it on? Just how racist it FEELS regardless of context?

@@trayjohnson7065 your argument is like saying that the symbol for shrines is hateful against jews because it looks like a n*zi swastika. Just because Americans did something out of hate doesn't mean that everyone who does it for different reasons should be judged by their worldview. You're no different from the girl who raged against the Spanish word for black and said they should change it

@@trayjohnson7065 is it not based on an indian god?

Same!!!!

It is quite odd looking.

*Soul eater has joined the chat*

@@djthecowhugger691 it’s made by the same person who made fire force who also makes good looking black people

@@godofdrip4889 Ogun Montgomery 🔥

Bleach and Jojo

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Ikr, In the show, they literally say he’s Mexican lol

Might just be part of the habit of a few anime fans of lumping dark skinned characters together and labeling them black

Same reason people keep thinking Knuckles the Echidna is black despite his tribe being blatantly mesoamerican. These people literally see the world in black and white.

More like black _or_ white

Uhm not really you just brought up knuckles people assume rouge is Latina I think​@@wakkaseta8351

Make sure not to add ussop cause he’s not black and people could use it against you for being wrong

@@haist1536pretty sure Ussop was intended to be black, or at least mixed. Bigger nose, huge lips, the hair are all pretty good evidence on him at least being half black.

@@Pebblez23 he’s white in the manga and has a tan in the anime due to them giving him a tan cause he lived on a island

@@haist1536 I mean, he’s “white” in skin colour, but not in appearance. There’s no denying the influence of his design from how black people were drawn in manga at the time. Lightskinned black people do exist

Nope, Echiro Oda has gone on record saying usopp is african.. not every black person is dark skinned lol

No it’s just undeniable that a lot of black people factually have larger lips. And I don’t care about how many exceptions you can think of, it’s still just a fact. If you assume it’s racist then you are admitting that you think lesser of a black person if their features are exaggerated. And if you say you don’t, then you are admitting that you don’t have a problem with exaggerated features. If you were capable of nuance then you would not be so quick to assume racism

@@zzodysseuszz Tbf, it *is* a pretty nuanced subject, yeah. Although with the things AJarts brought up- the similarity to Blackface being a big one, although it is possible its a coincidence- make it clear we aren't just assuming racism, we do have some evidence. The exaggerated lips on their own aren't the big problem, I don't think. To me, the 'donut lips' kind of end up looking like caricatures though. Anyways, I do agree with you! Sometimes they do have larger lips, and it's a beautiful feature. The main problem just sort of comes down to how they're portrayed. Although- I should probably have led with this from the very start- *I am not black*. I just do a lot of research on the subject as an artist and an author. Also, I'm sorry if this reply is a bit scattered, I only woke up a bit ago and am still a bit groggy.

@@zzodysseuszz This is a point I think needs to be brought up (especially in regards Toriyama). Do we think that people from other countries know the significance of blackface? I remember seeing a KZfaq short last year (unfortunately I can't link it) where a foreigner goes to Japan and asks a few younger japanese people about some details surrounding WWII (including the mustache man) and got some general blank responses. He then asks an older japanese person about it and he explains that is pretty natural given how the system doesn't delve deep onto the topic. My point in saying this is, why the hell would other people know about black face? We see how people get offended when other languages have phrases similar to the N-Word, despite those words likely coming into existance before European enslavement was a thing. I remember the incident where a french makeup artist caught backlash for cosplaying another black Tik-Toker and genuinely know what is going on. America makes an active effort to hide it's past because the country was quite literally built on racism, so why would other countries know about our most taboo topic. This is especially true in regards to Japan, given how isolationist the country still is. A lot of manga authors most likely don't know what they are doing is wrong, and a lot of the time they're just exaggerating features based on their art-style. Take Mr. Black from DB for example. Despite looking like a class Jim-Crow depiction of a black person, he is treated with the upmost seriousness by the story and is an actual antagonist. He completely lacks the traits that the Jim-Crow era forced onto us, and that leads me to believe that Toriyama just didn't know. You could make a case for Murata, but his art-style exaggerates facial features as well, and given how much respect he gave Miles Morales in his illustration of him, I doubt he's calling back to that. SAO's artist and Isayama probably didn't depict black people like that because it was politically correct, but because it fit with their art-style.

I think it's largely ignorance as well. Americans in manga/anime tend to be pretty one note in their depictions are loud, brash, rude, gun-toting American flag wearing blondes. And they are almost always blondes despite America being one of the most diverse places. Like you said, accessibility to other designs has helped reflect reality a bit closer.

Thank you! Most people think it has to be either blatant racism or a huge coincidence that these characters look like racist art. When in fact its likely influenced by racist imagery accompanied by ignorance of the fact that what they drew inspiration from were racist depictions.

Him not being black makes it worse bro 😂😂😂 it still looks like Blk face

​@@JayJohnson-eh9qfHe's based off a Hindu god.

​@@JustSomeDudeOnTheInternet838 and blackface. No hate to DBZ or the character himself but the resemblance to racist imagery is remarkably uncanny as compared to the hindu gods or djinns people like to say he's based off of

@@treybarker8167 Look at a picture of him side by side with Mahakala.

@@JustSomeDudeOnTheInternet838 Someone else in another thread said the same thing and I did. I remain unconvinced because the same can be said about doing a side by side of him next to blackface and truth be told he more closely resembles blackface to me. But I do concede that it is possible that he's a very simplified version of Mahakala. Its not enough evidence to say one or the other for sure

oh yeah that's right a chapter of the manga and I think an episode of the anime has shows him as a child when he was weak and sickly and he was white

@@origialtych so its the opposite of racism saying being black makes you stronger

@@GiggyWiggy2086 I think assuming that race or skin color has any baring on how strong someone can be come is close minded and your Question is fucking trap so stop it, it totally depends on how motivated and determined anyone is that determines how strong or weak some becomes.

@@GiggyWiggy2086 No, it's saying you should wear your sunscreen.

Same for both of them....im slavic and cant decide what is a racist depiction of a black character, but i really like usopp's design and i think he looks very cute, him and sister Krone are very sympathetic characters😢

Were is Egypt located bro.....

@@JayJohnson-eh9qf The continent of Africa. Key word, the continent.

There are black people in Egypt…the majority of people are not but there’s a decent percentage of black people that came from surrounding countries.

@uhohmykokoro1616 His ethnicity is littleraly Egyptian.

@@JustSomeDudeOnTheInternet838 probably not ethnically no but that’s definitely his nationality. Anyway he’s got black features and he’s literally wearing Bantu knots. I don’t think Araki has to come out and literally say that he’s black

This is so disingenuous when you consider the fact that American culture has a hegemonic influence globally

Demon King from India from a Hindi religion set

Plus welcome

@@DARKGENDEMON64 thanks for letting me know

@@user-yy1xi9de9w yep

@@user-yy1xi9de9w your welcome

Racism could be shown through archetypes though. Not always, or course, but it happens

@@cassandra1799 and? All toads are frogs but not all frogs are toads. If you call every archetype you see racist like this guy in the video, then you’re a fool who is creating the problem.

​@@zzodysseuszz Dawg calm the fuck down damn.

@@2Tune2 point to me where I was being mad. And do so without the metric fuckton of projection.

Your brain works well, I am very happy ❤

No, the use of black caricatures in early media and even media that persists through today was about mockery. Much of it was even propaganda that was not only limited to “blacks” but also Asians. There were terrible depictions of Asians and how they lived found in everything from Looney Tunes to Superman. “Blackface” was a dominant form of entertainment and was used to spread stereotypes to mock and influence the thinking of the masses. Interestingly enough, a lot of these depictions existed in media deemed for children. Start them young I suppose. 🤷‍♂️

A series that I believe did a fairly good job of being caricature for caricature sake was early Simpsons. They mocked everyone and were even in their usage of caricature across the board. Could people be offended by it still? Absolutely and people were offended by it. However, there seems to be a distinct difference in something like early Simpsons, who mocks everyone versus media who especially highlights a specific group in a certain and one dimensional way all the time.

@@RodneyKing-kz3ym literally not true. Black face comes from a late form of theatre where the goal was to exaggerate features for expression to the audience. It had nothing to do with mockery. You’re literally making shit up from a modern misconception perspective.

It was not mockery of black face. Black face was purely an American thing, Americans have a very narrow minded view on race.

Mr. Popo is based on a Hindu god. So he really doesn't apply.

Idk what you said but didn’t read but Popo is not black and is based of a Indian god

@@Skufivee Yes I know that, dont worry lol

Yeah exactly, this is purely an Americans narrow minded view on the subject.

​​@@Skufivee Which Indian God has huge bright red lips, tar-black skin, and bright white circular eyes? Yes some influence for his clothing probably comes from that Indian god, but seeing as he more closely resembles blackface imagery its hard to believe that no influence came from that. Not saying its intentionally mocking black people, just saying its much more probable inspiration came from seeing blackface than any other explanation I've heard so far

just what are you getting at?

That we shouldn't care too much.​@@kyy174

America, is and has for quite a while been highly influential in television, media, and movies worldwide. Also, Japan isn't necessarily known for it's black population so just like when travelling to parts of the US that lack a prominent black population, many countries adopt their perception of African Americans thru tv, movies, and music and thus regurgitate it in their own works 🤷🏾‍♂️

You’re a racist lmao you see any depiction of black people that doesn’t make them look white and you automatically assume it’s a racist stereotype

No it’s not weird. Yoroichi and Brock are based on people from Okinawa who tend to have darker skin than mainland Japanese. People seem to think that Asians are just pale white when they come in all shades of skin tone, especially as you go in South Asia . In fact they think dark skin = black people generally. It’s a very American/Western view.

@@KapayaSiame oh my god thank you I have always been wondering like I mean I remember basically hearing something like that a long time ago but I couldn't remember for the life of me what the nationality/region they said they were from because again all you hear is appropriated they are dark skinned means black

Cope

​@@chrissharpe1712goofy

Dude her name is yoruichi, it's as plain as night.

She’s based on people from Okinawa who tend to have darker skin than people from mainland Japan. People who think dark skin= black people are biased by American/ Western view on ethnicity.

@@KapayaSiame cope

Ngl good point

Thanks so much

@@TheDegenerateArtist yeah it’s so well done

@@TheDegenerateArtist it reminds me of the boondocks or miazaki

Was going to say that that shows more about you

I don't blame him. It's all about muh feefees all across social media. Twatter is probably the worse offender.

@@Sephylis-tl4ll even if the negative points were raised wouldn't make the person someone who finds anything offensive

Your initial conclusion was correct. You are just one of those people which is why you see his reasons and somehow still agree with him

@zzodysseuszz bro be quiet and stop typing

Because “black person look creepy” in a horror manga/anime is a bad thing? Joking aside, I’m pretty sure it’s mostly people who didn’t actually read or watch it only seeing the creepy scenes without context

​​@@Scruffy-qi3ik True. Anyone who had seen The Promised Neverland knows that practically *EVERYONE* gains exaggerated expressions when they are trying to be creepy or the tone calls for such. *Spoilers for The Promised Neverland for those who haven't seen it* Like when Ray reveals that he was working with his mother, he pulls off the exaggerated slasher smile, grinning from ear to ear while baring his teeth and outstretching his hands like he's about to play an orchestra. It's.....more than a little silly. Same for Sister Krone. Probably not the effect the creator intended but it does make them look like goobers.

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@@nicoflight3982 I know, it's just that this anime girl seems to be doing sus things

I think he's mexican, since he has an abuelo

We all the same bro bro ❤

@@JayJohnson-eh9qf aight

You're being very disingenuous right now.

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