The TRUTH about full-frame vs APS-C cameras!

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Tony & Chelsea Northrup

Tony & Chelsea Northrup

Күн бұрын

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Chelsea & Tony Northrup answer the question: Should you upgrade to full frame? Are full-frame cameras better than APS-C cameras? DO YOU NEED FULL FRAME?? The answer is... YES! Or no. It depends, but they help you determine whether full-frame will improve your images or whether you should just buy a better lens or speedbooster.
0:00 Introduction
0:51 KEH spot
1:21 Full-frame vs APS-C: Same lens
2:00 Full-frame vs APS-C: Equivalent lenses
2:31 Blind image quality test
2:52 Crop factor math explained
3:28 Full-frame vs APS-C: Best available lens
5:16 Speedboosters
6:18 Dynamic range & sensor size
7:09 Optimal image quality
7:42 Wildlife photography & pixel density
9:33 Summary

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@ryan6465
@ryan6465 Жыл бұрын
Went from full frame to APSC, much prefer the size and weight of the lenses and you can still get amazing results with some fast primes.
@itemsis
@itemsis 6 ай бұрын
I went from the Fujifilm x-h1 to the Sony A7IV and it gets smaller and lighter ;)
@jmcarb2698
@jmcarb2698 5 ай бұрын
It not just camera size. It’s lenses. If you go longer on full frame they are bigger.
@SergSpace
@SergSpace 2 ай бұрын
It doesn't make any sense. APS-C cameras use FF camera lenses.
@YummehPyroFlakes
@YummehPyroFlakes Ай бұрын
​​@@SergSpaceNo. You can use FF Lenses on APSC but there are many dedicated APSC Lenses like the Tamron 17-70mm F/2.8 Di III-A VC RXD wich i have an love. It's only around 500g. FF would be around double the weigth..
@PieterBreda
@PieterBreda Жыл бұрын
I think lots of people will get better results by investing in a photo course. A full frame camera is no guarantee for better pictures.
@TonyAndChelsea
@TonyAndChelsea Жыл бұрын
I agree, such as Stunning Digital Photography 😉
@zalle1
@zalle1 7 ай бұрын
Best comment I read today
@hugoingelhammar6163
@hugoingelhammar6163 Жыл бұрын
Fullframe cameras opened up a new world of photography for me. I had been shooting with my Canon 60D for 10 years, which also have created some great images. But since I live in Sweden, where you barely see the sun for 6 months of the year, photography was not that fun anymore and I only brought my camera in the summers while travelling. But now I bought a Canon 6D full frame, and its amazing how many more situations it can handle! Last three months I have taken more great photos than in the last 5 years or so. So I really recommend to go for a cheaper fullframe, it makes photography much more fun, easy and less frustrating.
@ElMundoDuro
@ElMundoDuro Жыл бұрын
Several years ago I decided to upgrade my older MFT camera to go full frame. One reason was for astrophotography. I had got some amazing images with a $500 MFT camera and a $200 12mm F2 lens. I was quite disappointed when I struggled to get comparable night sky photos with a 5 year newer $3000+ Sony camera and a $800 17-28mm F2.8 lens. Don't get me wrong, there are some advantages to full frame, but there are also some advantages to smaller sensors. I now carry both.
@iunderstanphotography2780
@iunderstanphotography2780 11 ай бұрын
such coincidence i have a 60D and want to get a 6D as well
@losiek008
@losiek008 11 ай бұрын
well i have a Canon 60D right now, and thinking about switching to either A7III or A6700.... still cannot decide whether go with ff or aps-c ;)
@iunderstanphotography2780
@iunderstanphotography2780 11 ай бұрын
@@losiek008 both about the same price. Rent both and see once they're in your hands
@kennygo8300
@kennygo8300 Жыл бұрын
I shoot "all three", MFT, APS-C, and FF. There's a time and place for each sensor size. An example, on a rainy night, I like to shoot with MFT... a fast prime on MFT (great stabilization with my MFT cameras) will give me a larger depth of field while still being bright enough (bokeh isn't required all the time) and I get better results from the city lights. Really... you don't always have to have bokeh. Sometimes, it makes your pictures look worse. When shooting automobiles at night, in the city... the smaller sensor with a large aperture prime, will give you better results. The greater depth of field of the smaller sensor cameras actually help you in low light, when you need greater depth of field. Almost no one on YT mentions this... and most new photographers are really frustrated by these situations. That's why this "old guy" shoots all three sizes. There are a few situations where smaller is better... and even more when bigger is better.
@pedrovilhena23
@pedrovilhena23 Жыл бұрын
"The greater depth of field of the smaller sensor cameras actually help you in low light, when you need greater depth of field. Almost no one on YT mentions this... and most new photographers are really frustrated by these situations." Very true. Only professinals really undestands that
@JerredZ
@JerredZ Жыл бұрын
I shoot all three too, Kenny... actually, all four - GFX too! Each system is amazing if you know what to use it for.
@vivek_v
@vivek_v Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't a faster aperture cancel out the greater depth of field from a smaller sensor?
@athmaid
@athmaid Жыл бұрын
Why do you need more depth of field at night?
@cybuckaroo
@cybuckaroo Жыл бұрын
@@athmaid I am also perplexed
@mattroberts1267
@mattroberts1267 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Tony and Chelsea! Just wanna say I found your channel about 5 years ago and knew nothing about cameras. Now I shoot commercial product photography/videography full time, it wouldn’t have happened without your KZfaq channel! P.s. currently using R7 for video work, and d810 for catalog and lifestyle images. All sensor sizes welcome in the workplace! Matt
@rumporridge1
@rumporridge1 Жыл бұрын
I shoot both……there nailed it.
@CookieMonstro21
@CookieMonstro21 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Listening to these two is annoying anyway 😂
@ChadWilson
@ChadWilson Жыл бұрын
My takeaway from this is that the lens makes the biggest difference of all. I also took away from this that I should own BOTH and have fun! 😆
@Chris-NZ
@Chris-NZ Жыл бұрын
I own APSC and FF and have done so for well more than a decade , each has their advantages and disadvantages starting with price but at the end of the day without zooming to 400% most people would be happy with the results from either system from any of the big manufacturers and the weak point in most of the equation today is the user not the gear.
@gunnarblomquist4412
@gunnarblomquist4412 Жыл бұрын
Yes. In This video they compare noise zooming in strongly and cropping the image that much is bullshit it happens almost never. I shoot with ff, fuji x and m43 for photograhy. They all have their pros and cons. Hiking in the hills and mountains with big and heavy ff lenses and tripod no thank you. I do sometimes but then only one lense. A smaller one. M43 for landscape photos has a big advantage and that is the small and much lighter lenses. Double depht of field can be an advantage sometimes.....landscapes....macro I can shoot at lets say f5.6 which is equivalent of f11 ff. 2 stops faster and since ibis is so much better with m43 i might not need a tripod. And a tripod for m43 is much smaller and lighter compared what you would need for ff lenses. For non moving objects in low light m43 can have an advantage because of the longer depth of field and the better ibis compared to ff. The object you take a photo of with the ff camera might need at least f2.8 for needed depth of field and the micro43 can shoot at f1.7 and at faster speed not getting a blurry photo. People not thinking about that. The m43 has also much better ibis. Only If very strong pixel peeping you see more noise in the m43 image or printing super big. I do agree that ff is superior in image quality and If wanting very shallow depth of field. Pros and cons.
@bluecollar8525
@bluecollar8525 Жыл бұрын
Especially of you run images through an AI denoiser
@loboptlu
@loboptlu 15 күн бұрын
@@bluecollar8525yep and interestingly on the denoiser from luminar and lightroom i need 40 in lightroom or low in luminar for my a7iii and 85 to 90 in lightroom or heavy in luminar for my canon r7 . And in the end the ff will look better because denoising also eats up details.
@Magellan678
@Magellan678 Жыл бұрын
One point that was not brought up was the size of full frame bodies and lenses. I left FF Sony and moved to Fuji specifically for this. I’m a landscape photographer and hiking with a camera that’s half the weight of a FF makes a big difference! Side note: 40mp on the new Fuji X-T5 is spectacular!
@greggpedder
@greggpedder Жыл бұрын
And the price.
@bluecollar8525
@bluecollar8525 Жыл бұрын
@@greggpedder True. People cite how a similar spec f/2.8FF lens is the same price as Fuji's 16-55 f/2.8, but this is Fuji's top of the line lens, and they compare it to a budget FF option that has worse IQ
@TechnoBabble
@TechnoBabble 11 ай бұрын
@@bluecollar8525 An f2.8 zoom on full frame is not the same as an f2.8 zoom on APS-C. There's a reason the APS-C lens is smaller and less expensive, you can't cheat physics.
@Bver69
@Bver69 23 күн бұрын
It's one of the first things they said in the video, though it was quick.
@sl-rt5kv
@sl-rt5kv Жыл бұрын
The fundamental reason why people don't get better images by switching from smaller format to full frame is that doing so does not change their capabilities as a photographer. It is also true that people have captured truly great photos with all kinds of cameras including those that are technically inferior to the best modern cameras in almost every way.
@ThaGamingMisfit
@ThaGamingMisfit Жыл бұрын
Yeah man, I still remember a couple in my beginner photography class that brought along gear that was more expensive than the rest of the class combined, yet their photographs were close to horrible. The girl with the EOS 700D and kit lens brought in jaw-dropping photographs every single time.
@836dmar
@836dmar 8 ай бұрын
Remember when there was a photo mag with a cover shot made on an Olympus point and shoot 35mm? It was a big deal. We still see this effect with these cameras in digit versions. A couple “influencer” videos and the used prices go to double the original price 10 yrs later. Sure, it’s the free market but it’s also greed and, even more, gullibility of the photography consumer. This video isn’t really helpful IMO as Angel could do better with less. As they say, just because something new comes out, that doesn’t make the old become worse.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 8 ай бұрын
The better the camera the more demanding it is to the user. With a APS-C and the kit lens you can shoot with P and get decent images. If you have a full frame with a fast prime you need to be very careful about the focus and the depth of field.
@sl-rt5kv
@sl-rt5kv 8 ай бұрын
@@okaro6595 *The better the camera the more demanding it is to the user* If by "better" you are referring to cameras with larger sensors, the opposite is often true. For example, getting good quality images in low light conditions can be much more demanding with a small sensor camera.
@836dmar
@836dmar 8 ай бұрын
I have actually found that rather than being more demanding, it's more of those who wish to have control choose such "demanding" cameras. Those who can't be bothered to take control, which is fine, buy expensive cameras and put them on program mode. Silly, IMO, but it's apparently common - even if only noted by the many FS ads with the P selected. @@sl-rt5kv
@christianman4ever
@christianman4ever Жыл бұрын
I LOVE that no matter what question I've had about learning photography you two always seem to have a video for it. You two are awesome! Thank you so much for these videos.
@Treeburnify
@Treeburnify Жыл бұрын
As others have remarked, I would also factor in weight of bodies and lenses. About four years ago, I sold all of my Canon full-frame gear including the “L” lenses in favour of a Fujifilm X-T3 and in the last few weeks an X-T5. For me, as primarily a landscape photographer, weight reduction was a significant influence, reducing backpack weight for hiking. In addition the Fuji X-T design ethos of traditional control dials was hugely attractive.
@tykeboy16
@tykeboy16 Жыл бұрын
Yeah for landscape I love my Fuji. Been wanting to shoot some more wildlife lately though and could use the extra light of a full frame censor...
@Blessbh
@Blessbh Жыл бұрын
I'm in the same boat. I have my dream setup on canon with 24-70 and 70-200 but it is too heavy and large of a setup for my purposes. I am actually shooting less. Plan to move to fuji and excited to use the dials
@joe.nail1
@joe.nail1 Жыл бұрын
In 2023, the flagship Fuji bodies (xh2/s) are virtually the same size as Sony’s FF bodies…
@aliendroneservices6621
@aliendroneservices6621 11 ай бұрын
APS-C lenses are not smaller or lighter than their full-frame equivalents. Could have bought a Sony a7c, and some small, light full-frame lenses, and achieved the same result.
@aliendroneservices6621
@aliendroneservices6621 11 ай бұрын
@@Blessbh Sony FE 70-200mm F4 Macro G OSS II weighs only 794 grams. No APS-C lens can match it.
@NumberOneBlackGuy
@NumberOneBlackGuy Жыл бұрын
I went to full frame for the low light capability compared to apsc. I'm happy with my purchase but I do miss the apsc camera I had. Both systems make good images and I took my all time favorite photos on my apsc camera. I literally am not making better photos because I am on full frame, the photos are the same creatively. Just now I can shoot at 12800 iso and be fully satisfied with the grain. But apsc it just bothered me above 6400. So to me the move to full frame was worth it.
@giftbox-e
@giftbox-e Жыл бұрын
THIS!!!!!
@chromaticvisuelle
@chromaticvisuelle Жыл бұрын
Why 12800 iso?????
@blanked3
@blanked3 Жыл бұрын
@@chromaticvisuelle because he can
@nicolaskrinis7614
@nicolaskrinis7614 Жыл бұрын
LOL. So you're giving up on a platform for a feature that you'll use 1-2/year? I use both my Leica Q2, m10 and you'll usually find me with my PEN-F.
@NumberOneBlackGuy
@NumberOneBlackGuy Жыл бұрын
@@nicolaskrinis7614 i use it more times than that but yes I am giving up on a platform for a platform that better suits my needs.
@RiceCubeTech
@RiceCubeTech Жыл бұрын
A good photographer can get images regardless of sensor size. My issue is when people who shoot with MFT or APSC say dumb things like “full frame is a waste of money there’s no benefit”. There’s clear benefit, but it doesn’t always mean it’s that much better depending on the person. Every person needs a different setup.
@knorke3642
@knorke3642 Жыл бұрын
"Full" frame is not a waste of money but it is unnecessarily expensive...for the most part. I do most of my video stuff with a GoPro 10. It´s not about the camera...it´s the way one uses it.
@RiceCubeTech
@RiceCubeTech Жыл бұрын
@@knorke3642 true true. I wouldn’t say they’re that much more expensive though. A canon r6 mkii and a Fuji XH2S or r6 mkI and XT5 are very similar in price. But each camera works for a different person. yes it does matter how a person uses it, but there are limits to it. I used an MFT to take my first wedding photos, I’d never go back to it after how bad the photos turned out after the sun went down. In good light it worked great but even at f1.7 and with low shutter speed the photos after sunset were super grainy. The same relative scenario a year later with my a7iii the photos were much better. My skills improved but not so much as to be the only reason the photos looked better. Gear isn’t all that matters, but it does matter a good bit when we’re talking about paid client work.
@tridinh1011
@tridinh1011 Жыл бұрын
@@knorke3642 in expansion of that, many of the official car ads on youtube/social media are shot on go-pros/small action cams
@bespokecustomstudio1565
@bespokecustomstudio1565 Жыл бұрын
It’s like when people tell me Trader Joe’s is better than Whole Foods. Different tools for different use cases. I agree
@bmeclipse
@bmeclipse Жыл бұрын
Bingo.
@bodythetan
@bodythetan Жыл бұрын
Another lovely KEH commercial
@Timoleon87
@Timoleon87 Жыл бұрын
I've shot dirtbike/enduro at NIGHT in Sweden in November with the X-T1, X-H1 paired with the 16 1.4 and the 50-140 2.8. A bit of noise reduction in LR and I'm satisfied.
@evslone
@evslone Жыл бұрын
Great job Tony and Chelsea, best video I have seen in explaining the pluses and minuses of APS-C and full frame. I mainly shoot wildlife, especially birds in flight, and have been very happy with my Fuji APS-C camera, and it has worked just fine for portraits and even low light situations. So worthwhile to understand what you want to shoot and what works best for your budget.
@photonspark
@photonspark Жыл бұрын
It's all about the application. I would never accept the size and weight of full frame lenses hiking to get that special landscape shot. (and couldn't afford it) I can carry an assortment of M43 lenses in a small sling bag and get great results. FF bodies are getting smaller, but lenses still twice the size and weight of other systems. If you're an indoor low light event photographer most of the time, sure go full frame. But many hobbyists would like to travel light and easy and get good results, like myself and many others.
@smooth111012
@smooth111012 Жыл бұрын
Happy New Year folks, your videos are so great. Very informative. Thank You 📷😊
@annarakannan6620
@annarakannan6620 Жыл бұрын
Another fantastic comparison. Thank you guys and a happy new year.
@knorke3642
@knorke3642 Жыл бұрын
I am happy with every bit of noise (grain) my Fujifilm X-H1 produces...or my X-T2. If I expose correctly and choose a fitting Film Simulation, get creative with my choice of lenses and compose my shot properly...I do not need or want "full Frame"... I fill the frame with whatever my eye sees and always get results that please my eye. I believe, the whole discussion about "Full Frame" vs. "Crop" is useless. There are countless professional Photographers of all different genres, who earn their money with cameras, regardless of sensor size. Advocating for "Full Frame" over APSC, gets old really fast. I switched back from "Full Frame" Canons to APSC Fujis because it´s not all about the size of the sensor, or the megapixel count...and more about the colors I can get right out of the camera, providing I know how to compose and light the frame. Plus...there is no "better" Bokeh in "Full Frame"...different.. yeah, but not better. Bokeh and its "quality" has also a lot to do with the lenses and their character. And let´s not forget about Micro 4/3... Great cameras, great choice of lenses...or DMF. Full Frame this and Full Frame that, is nothing more than marketing blurp.
@memcrew1
@memcrew1 Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@duschbrauser
@duschbrauser Жыл бұрын
Same here. I even add grain in camera to get the look, even at ISO 160. I Sold my Canon 6D Mark II because I prefered the photos from Fujifilm.
@jblanc_
@jblanc_ Жыл бұрын
What genre of photography do you shoot?
@knorke3642
@knorke3642 Жыл бұрын
@@jblanc_ I used to do Newspapers, Sports...mostly Cars and Horse racing. These days Photography is a Hobby, but I still do weddings, funerals and product photography. Other than that...mostly Landscapes and architecture.
@muzlee7479
@muzlee7479 Жыл бұрын
On the other hand you can’t deny that FF has the best lenses.
@cdnr6311
@cdnr6311 Жыл бұрын
Something to clarify is that an f2.8 apsc lens let's in the exact same amount of light as an f2.8 full frame lens. The only time people would need to multiply the aperture by the crop factor is when they want to achieve the same "look" aka depth of field as a full frame sensor. But in terms of speed, both lenses are the same. As for low light, to clarify, it's really the pixel density that dictates which one is "better" between apsc and full frame. Technically if both had the exact same pixel density, (using generic examples) they should have the same low light performance. Lastly, if depth of field is not the issue, lets say its just low light performance then it's sometimes a wash. You can use lower apertures with apsc and still have a workable image where the depth of field isn't too shallow, therefore use lower ISO. So it's not really fair to compare the exact same ISO (e.g. 12800) for both, cause in full frame you'd have to stop down your aperture vs in apsc you don't.
@AntsAasma
@AntsAasma Жыл бұрын
Same f stop means same illumination, means same amount of light *per unit area*. Full frame has a bigger sensor so more total photons collected. This means more photons per pixel or more pixels, both lead to lower noise when scaled to same size image. The math checks out for multiplying aperture by crop factor to get equivalent noise (and DoF/bokeh) performance, as do the results demonstrated in the video.
@cdnr6311
@cdnr6311 Жыл бұрын
@Ants Aasma yep for DoF and bokeh. But my point is an f2.8 apsc lens is not as "slow" as an f4 full frame lens. Also for what you mentioned above it only makes sense if we're comparing the same # of pixels at two diff sizes. Breaks down if one or the other has more or less pixels, i.e. different pixel densities
@AntsAasma
@AntsAasma Жыл бұрын
@@cdnr6311 the point is that f2.8 can use a stop less ISO, which gives it approximately as much noise improvement as a same megapixeled full frame sensor has from bigger pixels.
@cdnr6311
@cdnr6311 Жыл бұрын
@Ants Aasma if both apsc and full frame sensors have the exact same pixel density then yes of course you'll gather more light in totality overall because the sensor is bigger,but per unit area it's the same. So crop in a full frame image with an apsc that has the same pixel density, theoretically they should have the same noise. Hence an f2.8 lens is always an f2.8 lens. DoF and bokeh is a completely diff story though. Both of which we've mentioned above and from original post.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 3 ай бұрын
No, the pixel density is irrelevant. The pixel density myth has been debunked by several people including Tony Northrup. It is the sensor size that matters. Pixel density matters only in 1:1 crops with are not a natural way to use images, on normal use especially with post processing the high megapixel bodies are often better in low light.
@jnoreman
@jnoreman Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your entertaining and informative videos. Happy and healthy New Year to you both.
@MrTmiket0007
@MrTmiket0007 Жыл бұрын
Hello from Montreal Tony and Chelsea! Thanks for always sharing the best content on KZfaq, love all your videos and tips. Happy New Year ✨🙏🤗🎊
@kiodrag
@kiodrag Жыл бұрын
the best camera is the one you have with you. If APS-C Body and gear is smaller and lighter (e.g. Sony a6xxxx) and you can carry this on hiking, it might have more noise than ff but it is still the one in your hand taking the awesoe shots you would have missed otherwise when keeping your bulky ff camera at home ...
@PilotRocker
@PilotRocker Жыл бұрын
Tony, with regard to your comment about Zooms for MFT remember that Panasonic Leica offers two zooms at F 1.7 aperture that equate to F 3.4 on fill frame which is not far off F 2.8 for DOF.
@ericmuijs1938
@ericmuijs1938 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Wanted to write the same reply after hist comment :)
@RobBlight
@RobBlight Жыл бұрын
Great video! I've watched all your older videos about crop factor and this one kind of pulled all of those main points into one concise video and even gave examples and recommendations. This might be one of your best videos. Well done T&C.
@marysplace2070
@marysplace2070 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony & Chelsea. And.. thank you for steering me to KEH and giving a coupon code. I have been using them regularly and it has allowed me to build a good lens line up I would not have been able to do at retail prices! You are right, they are amazing and stand behind their stock.
@rogermuggleton8127
@rogermuggleton8127 Жыл бұрын
It also depends what you do with your photos. Most people see mine on the internet, and more often than not they see them on their phone. It seems a waste of money for me to buy decent kit. I recently dug out my 16 year old 6MP Nikon D40 and took a few shots. In decent light it's not bad, although I couldn't remember how to get the exposure right on my Christmas Day walk on the beach. Mirrorless cameras make it pretty obvious that you need to use the Exposure Comp dial. With the DSLR it's a bit clunky. Goodness knows how I managed 50 years ago with film.
@jonathanlogan6953
@jonathanlogan6953 Жыл бұрын
This is the best comparison video I have seen between the sensor sizes. It's more concise than some of your older videos discussing crop factor and bokeh, and this video gets straight to the point of why one sensor size or the other might be better for different users. Nice job!
@thinkingape7655
@thinkingape7655 Жыл бұрын
Accept, they didn’t compare the ISO’s correctly. It should’ve been Fuji ISO 5500; Full Frame (FF)camera ISO 12,800. FF cameras aren’t “better’ in low light, people just don’t do math 🤦‍♂️
@ShwarcArnold
@ShwarcArnold Жыл бұрын
@@thinkingape7655 Yes, exactly
@knorke3642
@knorke3642 Жыл бұрын
@@thinkingape7655 I´m not sure I´m with you on the math part...since the ISO stetting is but a gain setting of the sensor that kind of amplifies the light that hits the sensor. Since the Pixels on an APSC sensor are more densely "packed" there is a lot of physics involved, as how the sensor deals with that amplification. The ISO dial is supposed to emulate the "Film Speed", but turning the ISO dial kinda only cranks up the power on the sensor and therefore amplifies the ability of the pixels to read and reinterpret more light. Take the latest X-Trans sensor for example...40 Megapixel at high ISO´s...at least in my humble opinion, give a whole new meaning to noise when compared to the same ISO setting on an X-Trans 3 sensor. At base ISO however the 40 Megapixel sensor of the X-T5 and X-H2 can give most "full" frame cameras a run for their money...if your lens can resolve 40 Megapixel, that is.
@silvestrocrino3256
@silvestrocrino3256 Жыл бұрын
@@thinkingape7655 ... Sorry Ape, you are not thinking....the very fact that you would compare a FF image at 12800 ISO to a Fujifilm image at 5500... BY DEFINITION, means that that FF is better at higher ISO than APS-C.... a FF sensor gives me at least 1 stop better everything over the APS-C camera.
@TechnoBabble
@TechnoBabble Жыл бұрын
@@thinkingape7655 The only problem with your hypothetical is that there are no lenses for APS-C that give you that kind of aperture advantage to match the noise levels of full frame. You can't get f1.8 zooms for Fuji, you can't get good quality f1.0 or faster primes in multiple focal lengths. So in low light, when comparing high end gear, full frame always wins.
@TMM6900
@TMM6900 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you do an updated videos every year or so!
@fastsky8545
@fastsky8545 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video guys! Because you have been in a bit of a rut lately. :) Nice detailed yet easy to understand technical comparison. This videos reminds me of that great video about the F number equivalency.
@talintcholakian6655
@talintcholakian6655 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for always posting relevant content that I’m actually interested in watching! Your videos are always so informative and easy to digest. Keep up the amazing work guys! ❤️
@peterzpictstube
@peterzpictstube Жыл бұрын
Great talk Tony. Picked up a Z6 refurb from Nikon and a 24-200 zoom to upgrade from my Z50 with 18-140. After a week I am comfortable withe improvements in the quality of the body, and the lenses. For me the bigger pixels on the sensor and bigger glasses just seem to pass the resolution along much better. I tried maxing out the small sensor with a Sigma 18-35 1.8 and got good results. But that lens weights the same as a Nikon 24-70 2.8 Z. I am sorry but that is the same weight with a lot more flexibility and the more robust optical path. I was going to sell off all the DX stuff but now my wife wants to keep the Z50 for her use. My 70-300 AF-P looks a lot better using the whole lens. Pete
@LEXPIX
@LEXPIX Жыл бұрын
Good stuff guys. Happy New Years!
@TonyAndChelsea
@TonyAndChelsea Жыл бұрын
Thanks and HNY!
@jwnrocks
@jwnrocks Жыл бұрын
First off, thanks for your videos. They are very helpful. I chose the Canon R7 APS-C body partially based on another video you did. That said, what was lacking here was discussion about video, and other sports photography (i.e. auto racing). I recently shot Formula 1 with both still and video, and was very satisfied with the results of capturing 200 mph cars. I’m totally an amateur, and I only had the camera for a couple weeks. The versatility, and ability to shoot long videos without overheating was a determining factor in my purchase. Bottom line, I like the way you qualify your opinions, and leave room for the pro or amateur to decide what’s right for them.
@flaviotaneli9138
@flaviotaneli9138 Жыл бұрын
I recently UPgraded to apsc 😅 dropped my A7III and f2.8 lenses and bought the FX30 and A6600 with f1.4 prime lenses and I couldn’t be more satisfied ! The gap in image quality between apsc and ff is not that big and any recent apsc camera is 10x better that any ff from 10 years ago anyway. I’d say any gear is so good these days it can’t be an excuse for bad results, so I prioritised cost and size/weight
@angeloplayforone
@angeloplayforone Жыл бұрын
I miss the point that you don’t tackle is that FF manufactures such as Nikon, Sony and Canon don’t have high quality bodies or lenses for APS-C, as they see the system as a step-up to Full Frame. .It is only Fuji that has high end APS-C lenses and body. So for the users using Sony, Canon and Nikon upgrading means moving to Full Frame.
@artvelcro
@artvelcro Жыл бұрын
Loads of great info. Cleared up a lot of questions I had but......I still watch your videos to see Chelsea.
@chrlmlln9018
@chrlmlln9018 Жыл бұрын
Happy New Year 2023! A big and warm THANKS for the year 2022! You are best! God bless you both and your whole family as well! 🙂💯👍👍👍💓💓💓
@justinsphotographyrochestermn
@justinsphotographyrochestermn Жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that at the high iso low light comparisons both full frame and apsc are bad. A little more or less noise isn’t a big deal if they both are bad.
@justinsphotographyrochestermn
@justinsphotographyrochestermn Жыл бұрын
Also, I think lenses make a wayyyy bigger difference than a sensor.
@memcrew1
@memcrew1 Жыл бұрын
@@justinsphotographyrochestermn good observation
@gizmobowen
@gizmobowen Жыл бұрын
Very nice comparison. I'd love to upgrade to a full frame sensor but I've got a lot of APS lenses and don't want to sell them and replace them with full frame equivalents, it's just too expensive. I also, love the extra reach for wildlife and motorsports. Then again, it would be nice to have a full frame system for landscapes. Maybe some used full frame gear, just for that purpose.
@davedoohan2732
@davedoohan2732 Жыл бұрын
My FF lenses fit my APS-C body. And if I do put an APS-C lens on my FF body the camera auto switches to crop sensor mode…before I bought a FF body I had purchased the FF lenses to smooth the upgrade but I kept my APS-C camera as well.
@richardsthingsthatfly264
@richardsthingsthatfly264 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for teaching us from your “hands on” photography knowledge and not just reviewing things to buy (although you two do those well also). Could you please have a segment on the video-centric aspects of the same topic included in these videos if possible?
@timknight6258
@timknight6258 8 ай бұрын
I just subscribed to your channel as as I'm sure to pick up lots of good information. This video for instance just tells me that I really don't need to upgrade to full frame. I will stay with my present equipment. ALSO!! I see the KEH sponsors your channel and I just want to give a shout-out to them. I just found them a couple of months ago and have already placed orders. GREAT to work with, great prices and you know exactly what you are getting. I'm not ready to sell anything yet, but when and if I am I will give KEH the first opportunity. Great place to shop!!!
@SeventySoyer
@SeventySoyer Жыл бұрын
I decided to change brands and at the same time go from aps-c to full frame, however, I changed my mind about going full frame. Why? It's good enough. I compared ISO 12800 files from Sony A7II with Fujifilm X-S10. About 6 years separate both cameras where A7II is the older one, and guess what, Fujifilm X-S10 performed better in my opinion. If a full frame just 6 years ago was good enough for a professional work, then a more advanced APS-C with the same or better low light performance is also good enough today.
@JasonMilner
@JasonMilner Жыл бұрын
As a Fujifilm APS-C shooter, I am happy to recommend this video to anyone deciding between the two formats. The only thing I would add is to be sure to consider the cost, size and weight of FF lenses (especially those "holy trinity" f/2.8 zooms), & not just that of the camera body. If you're still not sure, consider renting one of each, & comparing for yourself before committing to any one system.
@silvestrocrino3256
@silvestrocrino3256 Жыл бұрын
The Sigma 24-70 F2.8 is $1099 and 835g, Tamron 28-75 F2.8 is $899 and 540g, Samyang 24-70 f2.8 is $999 and 1000g, Sony 24-70 f2.8 (Gen 1) is $1698 and 886g ..... I believe that the Fujifilm 16-55mm F2.8 is $1100 and 655g... There are sufficient choices in lenses and bodies to build a kit for nearly any use case and any price point with FF.... if what I cared about was cost and weight I'd buy the Tamron for the E-mount and save both (wouldn't be giving up anything on IQ either).
@JasonMilner
@JasonMilner Жыл бұрын
@@silvestrocrino3256 You make a good point. I wasn't aware of that Tamron, & it looks to be an excellent lens. Still, while there are clearly some exceptions when comparing a heavy example of an APC-C lens to an exceptionally light FF one, I'd argue that across the board comparing like for like (as far as that is possible) you're likely to find more smaller and lighter lenses for APS-C than you are for FF. I've used the Fujifilm 16-55 f2.8, & while good, it was one of the bulkiest Fujifilm lenses I've ever used. By contrast the Sigma 18-50 f2.8 is a mere 290g. Not exactly the same focal range, but close enough if you're looking to compare like for like a light mid range zoom APS-C vs a light FF.
@daveb6711
@daveb6711 Жыл бұрын
I shoot Sony and Fuji. My Sony gear has its place but my Fuji that covers the same focal length equivalent is so much smaller and lighter that it makes far more sense for EDC or travel. An a7IV with Sigma 24-70 2.8 weighs almost as much and takes up around the same space as a X-T5 with 18-55 and 70-300. Both produce great shot, one is much more practical unless you need the “high res.”
@TechnoBabble
@TechnoBabble 11 ай бұрын
@@daveb6711 Or the low light performance. Don't forget that an A7 IV with an f2.8 lens is going to have half the noise as an APS-C camera with an f2.8 lens, all else being equal.
@kennethhubbard5963
@kennethhubbard5963 Жыл бұрын
This was a great video! Just upgraded to the R6 MkII and can't wait to see how it performs in low-light scenarios compared to my old 70D.
@jeanbonhomme239
@jeanbonhomme239 Жыл бұрын
Great video that explains the real world behaviors of the different platforms. Well balanced content covering technical and aesthetic issues.
@rreichar1
@rreichar1 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video! You guys almost always make think about my choices a bit. I think the important thing is to consider your use case. For me I mostly shoot birds and the occasional family event. I have full frame, APSC, and M43s in the OM-1. I don’t get paid for my work. I used to have a photography company. I did weddings and other events and I found that Nobody but me could see the difference between the full frame ind the M43s except for me. I shot a two day event for a charitable foundation on whose board I sit. One day I used my OM-1 and on day 2 I used the Canon R6i. I just went and looked through the pics from both days and on my 13 inch screen theatre wasn’t much difference. I am older and have a chronic sore shoulder that I damaged in motorcycle crash years ago. The light the gear is the happier I am. I find the OM-1 being my choice most days.
@gutenbird
@gutenbird Жыл бұрын
I think these 2 do more to confuse people than to help them. Because if you can’t see the benefits of the full frame camera you probably have advanced far enough.
@joelbreger9897
@joelbreger9897 Жыл бұрын
Another difference is that separation from the background can be much great with the full frame camera. This goes along with the boka test you did at the beginning of the video.
@dimitarkotsev9234
@dimitarkotsev9234 Жыл бұрын
One of the most comprehensive and well explained overview on the topic I have seen! Thanks for your work!
@boredgrass
@boredgrass 28 күн бұрын
That's what I love about your channel you consider viewers from all walks of life!
@a.antoniou
@a.antoniou Жыл бұрын
I have been a Nikon user since 1981, but I wanted something smaller and bought in to Fuji a couple of years ago, I love the feel of the traditional camera, I have no problem crop frame in any regard, except for portraits. I love the compression of the 85mm lenses and on a crop sensor, that takes you too far away and the result is not the same. For that reason, I will stay with fuji, especially for travel for the time being, but I will probably move to the Nikon Z in the future, similar size and weight, but full frame.
@jordanwilliams1546
@jordanwilliams1546 Жыл бұрын
My first camera is the Fujifilm XT30II and I love how compact it is
@joelb5391
@joelb5391 Жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you use a 56mm lense on the aps-c camera then?
@a.antoniou
@a.antoniou Жыл бұрын
@@joelb5391 I do, but even though they are beautiful lenses, I still prefer the compression of the 85mm, after all, it is known as 'the beauty lens'
@joelb5391
@joelb5391 Жыл бұрын
@@a.antoniou The compression does not come from the lense being 85mm, it comes from the distance between you and your subject. It will be the same with an 85mm on a full-frame as it will with a 56mm on a 1.5x crop aps-c as long as you move to make the subject take up the same area of the frame.
@a.antoniou
@a.antoniou Жыл бұрын
@@joelb5391 Actually, that is widely misunderstood. Crop factor is not the same as compression. If you take a portrait on a full frame and crop it, to the same field of view as a 56mm on a crop frame, that is not the same compression.
@hilmarkampstra1686
@hilmarkampstra1686 Жыл бұрын
As an a9 user, I was tempted to rent the a6600 for a little bit of more reach with the 200-600 lens, but realize after this video that I can easily just crop or use the 1.4TC as well, if there is enough light. Thanks for your thoughts on this subject!
@hoverboverer
@hoverboverer Жыл бұрын
Yes you can crop, if you are happy with a 10mp image (as opposed to 24mp).
@scherzva
@scherzva Жыл бұрын
I have FF, APS-C, and M43s cameras, I use different cameras for different applications. I have an A6000 and an A7 and an A7II, the A6000 is great when I don’t want to carry the A7s around.
@radrazor1355
@radrazor1355 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate this video. You answered a question I've been fighting with for a long time. Seriously thank you. And thank you for code at KEH haha, I love them
@enricomarconi8358
@enricomarconi8358 Жыл бұрын
'I have to bend way down!!" I LOVE THAT ONE !! Sorry Chels...but your facial expression is priceless!! Happy new year both of you btw!
@JETFoto806
@JETFoto806 Жыл бұрын
My Fuji setup (XH@ and XH2s) have served me well professionally. My results are about the same as my old Sony setup (A9 and A&RIII) as long as I use the larger aperture lenses available from Fuji and third party manufacturers. Viltrox just dropped a 75mm f1.2 for Fuji that looks amazing. I'm perfectly happy with APSC right now. The lighter weight comes in with the lenses. Makes a big difference when you are shooting for long periods of time. The crop factors make the most difference when it comes to focal length. An f2.8 lens is still letting in the same amount of light whether FF or APSC, it's just the APSC sensor has different pixel density and the FF has larger pixels to capture more of that light.
@aliendroneservices6621
@aliendroneservices6621 Жыл бұрын
TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch). APS-C lenses are not lighter than full-frame (FF), controlling for quality and price. "An f2.8 lens is still letting in the same amount of light..." No. Given the same transmissiveness of the glass elements, an f/2.8 APSC lens lets in the same amount of light as an f/4 FF lens. This was demonstrated in the video at 4:05.
@JETFoto806
@JETFoto806 Жыл бұрын
@@aliendroneservices6621 wrong. When the lens is by itself, a 2.8 lens is still a 2.8 lens. It still is letting the same light. The difference you see is the camera sensor reading that light. The field of view is different but the light stays the same.
@aliendroneservices6621
@aliendroneservices6621 Жыл бұрын
@@JETFoto806 The field-of-view cannot differ without the total-amount-of-light also differing. If the field-of-view drops by, say, 1/3rd, the total-amount-of-light also drops by 1/3rd. If that were not true, then speed-boosters wouldn't boost speed.
@aliendroneservices6621
@aliendroneservices6621 Жыл бұрын
@@djstuc Because the physical aperture enlarges as you zoom in (given a constant-aperture-ratio lens). What you're calling "same aperture" is actually the same aperture-ratio. Aperture-ratio is not aperture. These terms are widely abused, which causes confusion.
@aliendroneservices6621
@aliendroneservices6621 Жыл бұрын
@@djstuc "All the same shutter speed." Because you failed to control for viewing-angle and image-circle.
@ytr8989
@ytr8989 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t you use medium format if your primary objection is optimal image quality?
@TonyAndChelsea
@TonyAndChelsea Жыл бұрын
You would, though lens selection is a consideration.
@CMSTOCK01
@CMSTOCK01 Жыл бұрын
I am a hobbyist. I have a Canon 5D4 and an X100v. I have owned an Olympus MFT and a small sensor lumix. Don’t forget full frame is a marketing gimmick. All cameras fill the frame. When photographers refer to “full-frame” they actually mean 35mm. In the days of film cameras most wedding photographers used medium format. Compared to the 6x6cm negative size of medium format cameras 35mm is cropped. If you’re a hobbyist get whatever you can afford. Most people don’t give a fig for what camera you use, they just look at the results. Also a10 megapixel image is big enough for an A4 sized image in a magazine.
@lelanddyer9461
@lelanddyer9461 Жыл бұрын
I totally get this. I shoot on the Pentax K-1, and K3iii, and the differences you're pointing out are exactly my findings of where the strengths lie with each sensor size. cheers!
@fredo1070
@fredo1070 Жыл бұрын
One thing I have noticed is that my full frame works better under low light compared to an APSC using RAW. Higher ISOs can be used with less grain. However under reasonable light, with a good lens there is very little difference in image quality.
@PhatsoJuggalo806
@PhatsoJuggalo806 Жыл бұрын
I understand what your are saying because I just moved from a Canon m6mii with a 32mp apsc sensor to a Sony a7c with the 24mp FF sensor. even with the 8 less mp i'm still getting cleaner shots out the A7c in matching conditions. but are are right most ppl aren't gonna notice to difference! something about that Full Frame look though
@kfbob364
@kfbob364 Жыл бұрын
Ha Ha There are so many full frame vs M 4/3 comparisons where the “experts” can’t tell the difference between enlargements that are 20”x30”. Certainly bokeh is better in a full frame, and low light condition too, but if you are doing landscape in good lighting, experts can’t tell the difference. Photography is an art, sensor size doesn’t matter.
@MasticinaAkicta
@MasticinaAkicta Жыл бұрын
For me, both can get very nice images. But, my Full frame model, an older model at it, does the job very well. Even in situations where my older APS-C cameras began to have trouble. I did get some lovely pictures of the fireworks, And those bigger pixels did wonders in retaining as much quality as possible for a damn hard situation! Though I love smaller sensor cameras too, yes even 1" models, why... it is the camera that you have with you that gets the picture ;)
@andfarr2
@andfarr2 10 ай бұрын
Great video Chelsea and Tony. Lots of great tips and other information !
@danielnyman1070
@danielnyman1070 Жыл бұрын
I love that you say full frame has an advantage in wildlife as you're holding the most ridiculously oversized, heavy, impossible to travel with and literal hell to walk around with for several hours lens 😂
@jessekedar
@jessekedar Жыл бұрын
Personally I'm not a Bokeh chaser which is why I switched from full frame DSLR Nikon to APSC Fuji. Occasionally I wish I had more low light capability and considered the canon RP but for my portraits and most events the photos are good enough
@Adrian-wd4rn
@Adrian-wd4rn Жыл бұрын
Not to mention, at most events, flash is OK to use...So...It negates it.
@RedmiNotepro-sm9si
@RedmiNotepro-sm9si Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Happy new year! You are a nice couple.
@hauke3644
@hauke3644 Жыл бұрын
Best video on the topic I have seen so far! Only for the noise comparison it should be said which lens settings where used, because with equivalent settings an equivalent noise level is to be expected (on similar sensor technology). Btw, Sigma used to offer very well regarded 1.8 APS-C zooms! But those where for DSLRs.
@carterdavis5176
@carterdavis5176 Жыл бұрын
Personally MFT or micro four thirds is my favorite format, due to it's amazing capabilities for it's size. I can get images on par or better than full frame cameras due to the added stabilization and compact size.
@Rocodil
@Rocodil Жыл бұрын
I am happy with my Fuji xt5: I love the external dials. It is the experience of taking pictures, that what you explained in the other video. I fully agree with that. Also -to me- nothing wrong what you said in this video, though. However I use the workaround: no zoon lenses. For the wide angle I have the 16mm f1.4! Also 1/100 of a sec still works ok. Hence enough options to avoid shouting at high iso. I am very proud of the photos I made indoor with a small 35mm all at f2.0.
@Wheelus
@Wheelus Жыл бұрын
Enjoying this for the second time. I have a lot of respect for folks who put it all out there as often as you 2 do. You may have mentioned this previously, but I just found that Lightroom/Library module/Metadata will show you the equivalent 35 mm focal length (which corresponds to the calculation you showed) when using APS-C camera & lenses, as well as when interchanging APS-C & full frame lenses with their between the 2 sensor/body types.
@bala1000mina
@bala1000mina 10 ай бұрын
Dear Chelsea and Tony, Thank you for the very informative and very helpful tutorial! God bless and good luck!
@adrianvanleeuwen
@adrianvanleeuwen Жыл бұрын
I think everyone who is an advanced photo enthusiast should own one apsc camera and one full frame camera. That way a shooter can use the right tool for the job. Apsc cameras tend to have smaller equivalent zoom lens and bodies great for travel and wildlife shooters. Full frame will give superior results in image quality and low noise in low light conditions and also better for post processing lifting shadow detail. As either an advanced amateur, semi-pro or pro, most of us will eventually own 2 camera bodies. However If I could only own one, I'd pick full frame for overall image quality in most cases (except maybe for wildlife). However, if shooting in good light during daylight hours, with low ISO, or using fast primes, the difference can be much less. Great review!
@sswildlifevideos
@sswildlifevideos Жыл бұрын
I think you nailed it. As a wildlife shooter I use both an R5 and R7 for the reasons you states above. Horses for courses.
@Chris-NZ
@Chris-NZ Жыл бұрын
With you 100% , I have the R5 and the R7 for that exact reason and use the body that fits what I'm doing and often use both at once for speed and to cut down on the opportunity for dust to cause issues especially when it comes to video .
@AlexanderRay92
@AlexanderRay92 Жыл бұрын
Shooting in low light, I really prefer the results from my 12MP Nikon D700 to my 24MP Canon M50, even at the same equivalent f-stop, but a Fuji X-T30 beats both
@travisminneapolis
@travisminneapolis Жыл бұрын
Sigma Art Zooms 18-35mm 1.8f and 50-150mm 1.8f are both miracles for the m4/3. And when combined with a speedbooster AND the 1.8f, that's something I'd LOVE to see you compare here.
@dhrubo9140
@dhrubo9140 Жыл бұрын
Tnx for this video , I was waiting for this video
@thegreatsiberianitch
@thegreatsiberianitch 9 ай бұрын
I could tell the full frame, means i gotta spend more money
@billj5645
@billj5645 Жыл бұрын
Another thing that somewhat levels the playing field, at least for DSLR, is the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 lens. With it on the APS-C and a common f2.8 lens on the full frame you can more easily get full equivalence. I've read where people claimed that the full frame body gave better colors and in particular better colors for portraiture. I'm not able to test that. Upgrading from APS-C to full frame can be very expensive because the full frame lenses will typically cost more
@greggpedder
@greggpedder Жыл бұрын
The 24-70 GM2 at 4:08 is twice the price of the Fuji 16-55.
@TechnoBabble
@TechnoBabble 11 ай бұрын
@@greggpedder And it gathers twice as much light when on a full frame camera, what's your point? In a low light situation the full frame setup would have half the noise and also the Sony 24-70 GM2 is definitely optically superior to the Fuji 16-55. You don't have to actually answer, I won't respond again. Given the multiple replies about price it's obvious that you bought Fuji and are trying really hard to justify your purchase, even though nobody cares what you use.
@greggpedder
@greggpedder 11 ай бұрын
@@TechnoBabble it doesn't gather twice as much light at all. It's exactly the same at f2.8. What you said is just not correct.
@srfurley
@srfurley Жыл бұрын
I mainly shoot film, but do have two digital cameras, Nikon Df and D40x. I like the fact that the Df will take almost all old Nikkor lenses, including pre-ai ones, with the same angle of view, and metering works. The image quality on the D40x is pretty good for an entry level camera.
@selimpullu420
@selimpullu420 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the rich information. Would you please give some information for the best lens to get some astronomical pictures
@bagery
@bagery Жыл бұрын
My problem is primarily the lack of equivalents and the weight/cost/size you have to take on for those that are comparable for aps-c. By the time I built up my last aps-c kit, I could have gotten a lighter full-frame with the range of lenses I needed for less. That's just me of course. But as I try to look for a new mirrorless aps-c kit, there are compromises I don't want to make.
@patricksprojects
@patricksprojects Жыл бұрын
Agree
@tcWildlife1
@tcWildlife1 Жыл бұрын
KEH must be pushing hard for the endorsement of all these big photography content creators. My experience with them is that they clearly under represent the condition of your gear so that they can justify offering less than the quote. And they know you'll be tempted to take the offer as opposed to going through the hassle of having the gear returned to you and then selling it yourself. I know I won't deal with them again after rating a bunch of like new condition lenses a few grades low.
@nmm190
@nmm190 Жыл бұрын
Agree, last year I sold them my D7200 and lenses. It was literally out of box nearly perfect condition clean, the amount I got was about 25% less than originally offered.
@derbagger22
@derbagger22 Жыл бұрын
I met a KEH rep visiting the Boston area doing evaluations. My RP and 24-240 kit lens was evaluated as Like New. When I sent it in, they listed it a bit lower and I got maybe a couple hundred less. I really wanted the R6 and figured I'd make up a little since they had a 10% off promotion using a trade in and that made it easier. However, the Like New R6 I got was an international model and I could not register it on Canon's website. I was wondering how KEH and other sites had so many Like New R6s, which were hot in December of 2021. That's how. They will buy grey market and sell them for a profit. I ended up returning it and bought a refurbished R6(with same warranty as new) from Canon and saved a couple hundred. I do think they undervalue their lenses and I would not hesitate to buy used lenses from them. I got a "bargain" EF 135mm f/2 for pretty low money. And I love that lens. It also looked pretty new to me...
@badboyvr4
@badboyvr4 Жыл бұрын
I made the move to Full Frame in 2018 when I purchased a Canon EOS 1D-X, I then bought a 1D-X MKII, I now own an EOS R5, I'll never purchase another Crop Sensor camera again.
@ThreeCeeProductions
@ThreeCeeProductions Жыл бұрын
Very nice video. I think you can add working distance. The crop factor seems like an advantage for small distant subjects. It is a disadvantage in small fixed space rooms like Weddings and documentary type shoots.
@mahdiali6732
@mahdiali6732 Жыл бұрын
There another advantage for the crop system which was missed in the video. They tend to be better for Macro photography; correct me if I’m wrong….
@G95G95
@G95G95 Жыл бұрын
@@mahdiali6732 anything that requires more magnification ratio renders the advantage of FF mute because a crop sensor image capture will almost always be magnified more in the end. Basically anytime the image capture size will be magnified for viewing, like cropping for distant wildlife, or to achieve greater magnification for macro, the other advantage of FF are less relevant. But at the end of the day, a high res full frame body is also simultaneously a crop body, so it can do anything the crop body can do.
@theprettydamned
@theprettydamned Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. It's worth noting that equivalence goes both ways - for example, in a landscape requiring some good depth of field at a 100mm equivalent focal length, you may use 50mm f/2.8 iso 200 on micro 4/3 to get the right shutter speed, but would need to use a 100mm f/5.6 iso 800 on a 35mm camera. This can make smaller sensors, oddly, better for landscapes - compact kit hikes better, and you get similar printed results. The uncomfortable truth, of course, is the gear barely matters for most people and the limiting factor is the brain behind the viewfinder. I take better photos with small kit because it comes with me, and the lenses are affordable to me.
@theprettydamned
@theprettydamned Жыл бұрын
And, of course, having choice is only a good thing. I wish there was more yet! I'd love a 35mm equivalent sensor with native 4x3 ratio, as I'm mostly printing 4x3 or 4x5 ratio prints.
@neildonaldson2454
@neildonaldson2454 Жыл бұрын
Equivalence - thank you for highlighting this important factor. I use an OMD OM-1 mft camera and get excellent results both in day and night with good prime lenses.But what makes a good photo is the person behind the camera 😊....however, I would not want to carry that FF 600mm zoom lens around with me all day...but that’s my choice.
@TechnoBabble
@TechnoBabble 11 ай бұрын
Not sure why you think this is an advantage for the smaller sensor... The photos would end up looking nearly identical.
@theprettydamned
@theprettydamned 11 ай бұрын
@@TechnoBabble that's the point - you can lug a heavy ff kit with 100mm lens and stop it down, potentially with diffraction in some circumstances, or you can use a tiny, light set up and get a near identical result. I miss my little olympus kit sometimes for this reason, and have opted to stick to "compact" full frame lenses - that are still pretty big compared to my old kit, but do give better results sometimes. I'd say maybe 50 percent of the time.
@TechnoBabble
@TechnoBabble 11 ай бұрын
@@theprettydamned Sure, that makes sense if you only shoot that way and are happy with the results otherwise. The only reason it's smaller/lighter is because of the worse technical image quality ceiling. But if it's still above what you want/need, no reason to get heavier and more expensive gear. To call that an advantage though is a bit silly, it's just a different tool and often times you can find smaller aperture full frame lenses that are similar in size and price.
@ScreenFiends
@ScreenFiends Жыл бұрын
I disagree about the wildlife. A TC can reduce image quality and you could use that same TC on the crop sensor for further reach. Also pixel density somewhat negates a 45mp camera like the R5 compared to a APS-C sensor. Further to that as a wildlife photographer that likes to hike for miles smaller sensors often mean smaller lenses. The kit that doesn't slow me down is the kit that get's me the shots.
@tcWildlife1
@tcWildlife1 Жыл бұрын
Often a smaller sensor doesn't mean smaller lenses. Especially for wildlife. Just look at the Olympus 300mm f/4. Nikons full frame 300mm PF is 1/2 the weight. Even the new 400mm f/4.5 is lighter. The more "professional" the smaller sensor lenses, the less likely that it will be lighter.
@ScreenFiends
@ScreenFiends Жыл бұрын
@tc2744 You can use bigger lenses but there are plenty of lighter options available. The crop factor allowed me to take an EF 200mm f2.8 and turn into a 320mm equiv or roughly a 450mm f4 with a 1.4xtc. Pretty light set up. Conversely I could use a huge Sigma 150-600. I have the versatility. Tony is constantly backhandidly critical of crop sensor cams. It's odd and non-sensical. That's not to say his points are without merit but that he clearly has a bias that impairs his objective view. I have two full frame cams and 1 crop sensor and use my phone at times. I understand and am familiar with working with many different sensor sizes and cams.
@yspegel
@yspegel 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad I still could see the difference right away on the first picture, there is a reason I just switched to full frame high mp count to up my game
@momchilyordanov8190
@momchilyordanov8190 Жыл бұрын
The size of the sensor is not in top 3 of the most important things you need tbh. WHAT you are going to shoot. HOW this particular thing is shot best. PRACTICE and EXPERIENCE in that field. These are my (interconnected) top 3. The gear thing comes after and typically 'solves itself' when you know what you need and how much money you can afford to put in it.
@tonypaulprince
@tonypaulprince Жыл бұрын
You started off by comparing a larger apsc camera and a smaller full frame camera. But in general, it is still true that full frame is bigger, especially when you consider the lens, which obviously you have to do. This is one of the main reasons many people, including me, have stuck with apsc. It would have been good to point this out.
@TonyAndChelsea
@TonyAndChelsea Жыл бұрын
Equivalent lenses are the same size. There are many compact FF lenses.
@achiloula
@achiloula Жыл бұрын
nikon z5 with 28mm 2.8f best combo so far for everything ,HAPPY NEW YEAR
@sbgaming4794
@sbgaming4794 Жыл бұрын
@@TonyAndChelsea Until you go with MFT (Lumix GM5) with 20mm 1.7 pancake is super tiny, there is no equivalent in apsc or full frame for this (i own Sony FF too..)
@Caracalaba
@Caracalaba Жыл бұрын
@@sbgaming4794 there's a 40mm f2.5 and 35 2.8 that are almost as compact with faster equiv. aperture
@sbgaming4794
@sbgaming4794 Жыл бұрын
@@Caracalaba i own both, gm5 with 20mm 1.7 is lighter and fits in jeans pocket. A7c and 40mm 2.5 are heavier and dont fit in a jeans pocket.
@6panel300
@6panel300 Жыл бұрын
Having an apsc camera I was starting to feel a little despondent with the first ¾of this video until you got on to wildlife which is my main aspect of photography along with aircraft, which both result in me using the centre of the picture and cropping in post. Now I feel a lot better about my choice. Thanks for explaining the difference clearly and an easy to understand way.
@drakowebmulti
@drakowebmulti Жыл бұрын
Really love you guys content. Could you please guide me to decide which zoom lens you recommend for sports photography? I shoot roller derby. Sometimes I shoot from inside the track and sometimes from the outside, and switching lenses it's really difficult because there is like less than a minute to get in or outside the track before the game restart. I currently have an xt3 and use mostly a Fuji 35mm f2. Thanks for your attention! BTW, cheers from México!
@kevaljoshi7594
@kevaljoshi7594 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison I am looking to upgrade my rebel T6 confused between Used ESO R or R7 love features of R7 but don't want to spend much will appreciate your recommendations
@AMomentInTimeProductions
@AMomentInTimeProductions Жыл бұрын
See people think automatically that because they get a FULL FRAME camera the image quality is going to be better, NO, the size of the sensor doesn't have anything to do with the Image Quality. it's a combonation of things, first is the image quality the sensor reads out, weather it's APSC or Full frame, and also the Lens, you could have the best camera that has the best image quality sensor, but if you put a shitty lens on it, it's not going to matter the image quality will be crap. Full Frame doesn't mean you will get better image quality, the only thing you will get out of full frame vs ASPC sensors, is #1, you will get better low light quality. #2 You will be able to blur out the background easier, doesn't mean APSC can't blur out the background, yes it can but you have to take extra steps do get that to work, such as zoom in and get closer to your subject or go 1 stop below in aperture then what the full frame camera was set at.. There is 1 other advantage with full frame as well you can blow up your pictures in closer with less quality loss then with APSC camera's. Because the sensor size is bigger to begin with and also higher megapixels are more common in full frame vs APSC, I don't think there is and APSC sensor camera that has 50 Megapixels or higher, but there is with full frame, and that means you can crop in and blow up your picture a lot more with cleaner images then APSC. So those are the only advantages you get Using Full frame vs APSC. Image Quality with APSC is exactly the same as a full frame camera the sensor size has noting to do with image quality.. Because of price i can get a ton of good lenses for APSC and take just as good pictures and video as with a full frame, and it cost me a lot less.. If your shooting Weddings yes i would say go for the full frame, but if your taking landscape or wild life or fast action shots like sports, then i would say APSC Camera's are just as good. And even portrait in a studio is just as good as well, but if your doing work where you can't control the lighting like weddings or in door activity then Full frame has the advantage. That is why most Wedding photographers rather have full frame then APSC because they can get good exposed pictures in lower light situations.
@StudioNirin
@StudioNirin Жыл бұрын
The price of good lenses on apsc is actually the same (often higher) than the same good lenses on full frame. I've compared them for myself. The reason people think they are cheaper is because they compare the wrong lenses. Eg. They compare f2.8 on apsc to f2.8 on ff, when actually they should be comparing to f4. This ends up doing the same for size and weight too. Apsc lenses aren't actually significantly smaller or lighter, as long as you compare to the actual same lenses on full frame. I did all this testing a while ago, and my full frame setup now is actually smaller, lighter AND cheaper than my apsc fuji kit was before.
@frecheforelle761
@frecheforelle761 Жыл бұрын
Bullsht, FF have a higher dynamic range. You have more Information in your picture compared to apsc! The Tonal Transition, the Details and there way more points were ff is better than apsc. Its Not only about blurring the background.
@frecheforelle761
@frecheforelle761 Жыл бұрын
@@StudioNirin youre shutter speed will be the same on both Systems with an aperture of 2.8. so you cant compare a apsc 2.8 lens to a f4 ff lens
@StudioNirin
@StudioNirin Жыл бұрын
@@frecheforelle761 your depth of field, dynamic range and image noise will all be completely different though (in favour of FF) so it's not the closest comparison you can make. This is an old argument, but the correct answer is always that you compare f2.8 on apsc, to f4 on FF. As that is how you get comparable end results. Adjusting ISO to then make the brightness match then causes the noise level to (approximately) match also. You then end up with nearly identical images. If you're doing anything else to compare lenses between systems, you're doing it wrong.
@salia2897
@salia2897 Жыл бұрын
Physically, it is all quite obvious: what matters is the amount of light you get on a pixel and how sensitive that pixel is. For the same resolution you need higher pixel density on a smaller sensor, so smaller pixels. You need a "better" i.e. lens to get the same amount of light on the same area. This is why in the test the same lens with the speed booster gives almost the same result. But of course the speed boster contains optical elements so it will take some light add some distortion etc. So physically it is just easier to capture more light with larger pixels so larger sensors. Of course there is a limit when it does not make a difference anymore. And as sensor technology improves this limit comes down.
@TheWildlifeGallery388
@TheWildlifeGallery388 Жыл бұрын
I recently went from the 90D to the R5 - the only real-world difference I've seen are dynamic range that I can push in post processing, Silent Shooting mode & 20 FPS - I haven't seen any difference in low light ability with FF over the Aps-c - I only shoot Wildlife. I wished I'd just saved my money for a longer period & purchased a prime lens instead.
@thetoyota86perspective54
@thetoyota86perspective54 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your honesty. It's hard to be so honest when you've forked out so much for an item and left a little disappointed. I currently have an M50 mark ii but am considering either a 90D or 7D II in addition to this. Were you happy with the 90D and can you add any advice or commentary on this? I got the camera mainly for my sons sports but have found I am photographing everything and quite enjoy it. The M50 has been superb if I'm honest
@Askaly
@Askaly Жыл бұрын
If you want an upgrade from your m50 get the m6 II instead of the 90D. They m6 is the mirrorless version of the 90d - I have it and love it. You have to adapt ef lenses though and even the original adapter has some play in it in my case though.
@thetoyota86perspective54
@thetoyota86perspective54 Жыл бұрын
@Askaly I like the M6 but I want a built in viewfinder. I like that the M6 is 32MP vs 24 though. I'm currently using about 7 EF-M and 3 EF lenses. Had Voltrox adapter which was fine but had some play with my latest lens so got the Canon genuine and it works beautifully. I was actually leaning more to a 7D II - I heard alot of 90D owners complain about the 90D and the autofocus since posting this.
@TheWildlifeGallery388
@TheWildlifeGallery388 Жыл бұрын
@@thetoyota86perspective54 - The 90D is a great camera, in-fact I still prefer it if I'm only doing video. A good lens on the 90D produces great results. Best of luck
@TheWildlifeGallery388
@TheWildlifeGallery388 Жыл бұрын
@@thetoyota86perspective54 - I rarely have a auto-focus issue's - If I do typically birds in a cluttered background - but so does the R5
@markanderson3376
@markanderson3376 Жыл бұрын
Good video. Thanks for the info.
@andrefelixstudio2833
@andrefelixstudio2833 Жыл бұрын
I bet some of your clients have no idea what you’re doing they just love the end result so it doesn’t really matter about you cameras, just enjoy what your doing with them!
@quite1enough
@quite1enough Жыл бұрын
Also, don't disregard older DSLR full frame models, such as Nikon D850, it can be found used for around $1200. Still a great camera with amazing 45mp sensor. Tons of lens choices as well.
@squodge
@squodge Жыл бұрын
I stlll use the Nikon D610, which is 9 years old. It's full frame and you can get decent results at ISO 6400. Although newer full frame cameras are far better at low light, the D610 can match up against most APS-C cameras in low light.
@gunnarblomquist4412
@gunnarblomquist4412 Жыл бұрын
Nikon D850 still in the top for best dynamic range.
@akhlism.marifat9204
@akhlism.marifat9204 Жыл бұрын
I'm a stage photographer using APS-C. For me, the extra reach of APS-C is great. I can zoom in to capture the performers' faces with the extra reach it provides. However, APS-C isn't always the best option since many stages use low light setting to get more dramatic atmosphere. In this case, I always think that it will be nice if I have a Full Frame camera. Well, since stage photographers don't get paid as much as wedding photographers (at least it is the case where I live), I'm still hesitant whether to buy a Full Frame or not. I think I'd still stick to APS-C even some years later because I've invested my money on the lenses.
@TechnoBabble
@TechnoBabble Жыл бұрын
Not sure how much you're zooming and moving, but if you can I would suggest picking up some primes from Sigma. The 16mm, 30mm and 56mm are all f/1.4, incredibly sharp, and have good autofocus. I personally prefer my Sigma 56mm f1.4 on APS-C over Sony's 85mm f1.8 on full frame.
@arunchenthamarakshan5187
@arunchenthamarakshan5187 Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍 😊 very informative
@SanderSander88
@SanderSander88 Жыл бұрын
I'm going from the nikon 5600 to a canon r10 this year, mostly making portrait photos, I'm super happy tho with the results most of the time. Even with the Nikon. Great video again!
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