The Fake Ancient History Of Michigan | Michigan Relics

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Absolute History

2 жыл бұрын

During the late 1800s, a multitude of strange artifacts were unearthed in Michigan. Written in ancient scripts from around the world, they told of a Near Eastern culture living in North America before the arrival of Columbus. The Michigan Relics are considered to be one of the most elaborate and extensive pseudoarchaeological hoaxes ever perpetrated in American history.
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@DanaTheInsane
@DanaTheInsane Жыл бұрын
The guy debunks every single piece of material and a few minutes later the narrator says will we ever have the science to debunk this? They just did!
@ferociousgumby
@ferociousgumby 2 жыл бұрын
A picture of a cat, a picture of a foot. . . oh come on. This is Monty Python stuff.
@99subigt
@99subigt Жыл бұрын
There seems to be symbols that look like sperm🙄
@elizabethalli1271
@elizabethalli1271 Жыл бұрын
Nudge nudge say no more! Lol
@sofia20251
@sofia20251 Жыл бұрын
It is enough to convice the mormons, as usual... 🙈😂
@domiro8156
@domiro8156 Жыл бұрын
BUT seriously..... no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!!!!!!
@patriciawalker5208
@patriciawalker5208 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it amazing that all of these written artifacts were found, but not a single ruin of buildings, living sites, etc.? These people are just con artist starting from the 1800's. Isn't it coincidental that these were discovered during the period of time that archeological study was in a boom and not a single finding has been made in the past 100 plus years? I liked the guy talking about the slate.
@RockyHoarderPictureShows
@RockyHoarderPictureShows 2 жыл бұрын
People have been con artists from the start lol, look at the world around you. History as we know it is certainly not accurate, we were just dumb enough to be believe it.
@cariboubarbie
@cariboubarbie 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing would be the state of Joseph Smith coming back to life from the 19th century and seeing millions who desperately trying to prove his BS made-up tales.
@melanieortiz712
@melanieortiz712 2 жыл бұрын
We Natives would of had oral history if such people came here then.
@SK-jq8um
@SK-jq8um 2 жыл бұрын
They have traced the copper used during the bronze age to the mines in Michigan, only place on earth with copper in that pure of form.
@heard3879
@heard3879 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the total lack of burial sites and buildings was jumping out at me
@nothereforit.605
@nothereforit.605 Жыл бұрын
I’m going to be honest. When a person says unprompted “we haven’t changed anything of what she published” makes me think they did.
@ragingdevi
@ragingdevi Жыл бұрын
I like how no one was immediately suspicious that every time Soper was like "Go relax in the shade for a bit, I'll dig", that suddenly an "artifact" would be found and they were only found by him 🙄 lol
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
Well maybe the local VIPs would find a few extra near the one he pointed to. Because whomever buried the stuff did so in bundles. That way, the VIPs genuinely found some of the items. However if the original burial happened somewhat recently (like 1 year before the dig), that wouldn't prove much.
@ExtraterrestrialBeing-jc7to
@ExtraterrestrialBeing-jc7to Жыл бұрын
Some people got that eye for finding things 😳
@planethopper335
@planethopper335 Жыл бұрын
If these were real wouldn't many more sites have been discovered. Having native American ancestry please take your bogus religion an go home.
@COSMOKRAT_616
@COSMOKRAT_616 2 жыл бұрын
All these artifacts and not a single one is broken or damaged? Highly unlikely. Clay and slate all intact? Idfts
@FrogsForBreakfast
@FrogsForBreakfast 2 жыл бұрын
Real archaeological sites are mostly broken pottery and other common everyday stuff and trash. Somehow none of that was found...
@COSMOKRAT_616
@COSMOKRAT_616 2 жыл бұрын
@@FrogsForBreakfast rightl. It was all perfectly preserved in tact relics lol
@megw7312
@megw7312 2 жыл бұрын
If they were placed as ‘grave goods’ rather than tossed as trash, they are less likely to be broken and the inscriptions relevant. Knowing where to find them:- knowing what the topography shows.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
@@megw7312 as long as the grave goods suffer erosion and mineral deposits (unless they're sealed in a container). It is the midwest, after all.
@benjamindover5676
@benjamindover5676 Жыл бұрын
You and I think alike.
@kingjoe3rd
@kingjoe3rd 2 жыл бұрын
These "relics" are so badly done that even Ancient Aliens have never featured them.
@dekyiyangzom2632
@dekyiyangzom2632 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@refosco1993
@refosco1993 2 жыл бұрын
🤣☠️🤣
@ashleelarsen5002
@ashleelarsen5002 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@NathanTarantlawriter
@NathanTarantlawriter 2 жыл бұрын
It's clear the artist lacked skill, to say the least.
@ashleelarsen5002
@ashleelarsen5002 2 жыл бұрын
@@NathanTarantlawriter rude, it could have been a disabled person (that's a Karen thing to say)
@lisalesinszki7536
@lisalesinszki7536 2 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna call my band The Michigan Relics. Oh wait-I don’t have a band. Or play an instrument, sing or write lyrics. Reading the comments has been more interesting than watching this mockumentary.
@KristiContemplates
@KristiContemplates 2 жыл бұрын
Given your bands capabilities, you've chosen the perfect name
@PatchouliPenny
@PatchouliPenny 2 жыл бұрын
@@KristiContemplates excellent!
@amadeusamwater
@amadeusamwater 2 жыл бұрын
If the artifacts were made by Coptics from the 4th Century, it would seem that they would have Greek for their writings, since that was language used in both the church and the Eastern part of the Empire. Cuneform was long dead, and Coptics would not have known Hebrew, since most of them were not Jews.
@jerseyboyce1
@jerseyboyce1 2 жыл бұрын
it's true, all the Apocrypha and the bible written in those times were written in Coptic greek, they may have known a form of Hebrew due to location and ancestry, Jews were switching to Coptic Christianity then, this reminds me of the "lost tribes of Israel" myth
@maxgarbani6644
@maxgarbani6644 2 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily.... Look up the geographic proximity between them. Do you imagine people never migrating around ?
@PatchouliPenny
@PatchouliPenny 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I did have to wonder why anyone would write in a mixture of cuneiform, hyroglyphics and Coptic. 😁 It just doesn't make any sense!
@rachelLadyD
@rachelLadyD 2 жыл бұрын
the coptics would have known hebrew, for sure, especially in the 4th century, Hebrew is 4.5 thousand years old at least, also I believe hieroglyphs from Egypt are a more stylised version of proto hebrew, or at least if you study ancient seals from Megido site, it looks that way. I know there was an Irish monk John Scotus who had ancient hebrew, it could have been lost without him preserving some texts. The Irish learned about Christianity from the Desert Fathers African Coptic monks, in about 3rd or 4th century the first crosses that came with Christianity was the Tau cross. We were finally defeated by the Vatican when an English pope and English King conspired to change our Easter date to the Vatican version, our Christianity was also largely Byzantine but anyhow, Roman church got a strong foothold after the famine, and brutalised us especially women who lost their status, and forced a new concept on us 'prostitution' which was not in our mythology or brehon laws
@rachelLadyD
@rachelLadyD 2 жыл бұрын
basically the Roman way was 'people trafficking' the defeated peoples , sex slaves...sadly Ireland was destroyed by that, which was not in Gaeilge culture before that
@elisabethb.131
@elisabethb.131 2 жыл бұрын
"If this was a hoax, the person who did it would have needed knowlegde of all these ancient languages." Uhuh, and THAT'S implausible(because who owns books right?) but some early North American people knowing and using a mishmash of ancient Greek, Egyptian, and other early old world languages makes perfect sense? That's like saying Celts and Aztecs must have had teaparties together, because they're both from history.
@ronpflugrath2712
@ronpflugrath2712 2 жыл бұрын
So many doubters many keep their finds hidden educated know nothings some day
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronpflugrath2712 I like salad.
@Pretermit_Sound
@Pretermit_Sound Жыл бұрын
@@ronpflugrath2712 that’s a lot of words you wrote, just to say nothing. 🙄
@IanSlothieRolfe
@IanSlothieRolfe Жыл бұрын
They wouldn't need knowledge of the languages; just know how to copy inscriptions from a photo or drawing of a real artifact.....
@MrHaighahatta
@MrHaighahatta Жыл бұрын
Why would someone admix Hebrew letters in a linear cuneiform (inscribed with a flattened stick into wet clay or chiseled into stone) with rounded pictograms/pictographs (e.g., heads, birds, etc.) in the same "artifact"?
@simonsaysism
@simonsaysism 2 жыл бұрын
The disbeliever side: We used high tech testing and consulted materials experts The believer side: Well, these marks look kind like an "M"
@hugehappygrin
@hugehappygrin Жыл бұрын
Experts are paid liars. I follow scientific fact.
@jessicaumlor7979
@jessicaumlor7979 Жыл бұрын
Thermoluminescence has an accuracy of 10%
@drphosferrous
@drphosferrous Жыл бұрын
Maybe ancient american bronze age cultures created these in the same style of 1900s fakes to test our faith...lol
@aubreel4576
@aubreel4576 2 жыл бұрын
If they weren't found in situ and properly documented and tested to determine age and make up of the tablets, they're worth nothing. Seriously. 🙄
@jameshughes525
@jameshughes525 2 жыл бұрын
What is situ?
@Gannon2145
@Gannon2145 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameshughes525 "in situ" means in original place
@statlergil
@statlergil 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameshughes525 from google dictionary in si·tu /ˌin ˈsīto͞o,ˌin ˈsēto͞o/ adverb in the original place. "mosaics and frescoes have been left in situ" important in archeology to be real item found and verified it was real and not added later
@jameshughes525
@jameshughes525 2 жыл бұрын
@@statlergil thank you kindly
@Costa_Conn
@Costa_Conn 2 жыл бұрын
There are techniques for dating fired clay tablets. This fraud is easily exposed (if you need even more evidence).
@TahoeJones
@TahoeJones 2 жыл бұрын
What a total load of bullshit. The "artifacts" are hysterical!
@ferociousgumby
@ferociousgumby 2 жыл бұрын
Soft rock, sharp steak knife. Voila!
@wirelessone2986
@wirelessone2986 Жыл бұрын
No..the artifacts are BS the people are hysterical!
@stuartround
@stuartround 2 жыл бұрын
A great lesson in confirmation bias and the unscientific method.
@22nola
@22nola 2 жыл бұрын
That publisher is in love with his fantasies.
@dnandez79
@dnandez79 Жыл бұрын
Or just more proof that the world governments have been covering up the true history of the world.
@stuartround
@stuartround Жыл бұрын
@@dnandez79 "World governments", you should know when you type out those words only nonsense will follow.
@troy510
@troy510 Жыл бұрын
LOL they are obviously fake. They are way too perfect like someone just made them and said they found them. Not even a hint of debris or scratches on them. Nothing is broken even though it was supposedly buried. How do you carbon date something that has no old organic matter on it? You can't be bias when something is fake. You can't be scientific about that stuff either. They said in the beginning it was seen and tested by pros and they turned it down because it's fake lol. What more do you need to know?
@walterchristley4898
@walterchristley4898 2 жыл бұрын
First he's talking about Gnostisism, then all of a sudden he switches over to Arianism. Make up your mind, dude! It can't be both. BTW, Copts consider Arianism to be heresy too.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
They do after the meeting at Nicea.
@chubbymoth5810
@chubbymoth5810 2 жыл бұрын
It's nice to hear about these cons just to understand where some of these stories are coming from.
@mattmatt6572
@mattmatt6572 Жыл бұрын
I think another thing that messes up origins of entiquities are people who are looting sites they aren't spose to be digging in or when people have stolen items they lie about where they found them.
@revolvermaster4939
@revolvermaster4939 2 жыл бұрын
At fist glance they’re too pristine and perfect to be real.
@EEVENEEVEN-vb5qy
@EEVENEEVEN-vb5qy 2 жыл бұрын
They are so fake
@chino3796
@chino3796 2 жыл бұрын
Too fake to be real. LOL
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
Even a non organic burial good (made specifically for burial) would suffer erosion and mineral deposits, especially in the acidic midwest soil.
@Palmieres
@Palmieres Жыл бұрын
Wow, those slates look so pristine and undamaged. Almost as if they weren't really thousands of years old... I mean, we see the stuff they found all over Europe, in the Mediterranean, in Egypt, Judea and the Middle East. So many artifacts are damaged and showing signs of time taking its toll on them. But not one slate here is broken. Amazing. Curious as well, how no trace of any kind of ancient ruins or structures survived in the area. So, so curious.
@Trillock-hy1cf
@Trillock-hy1cf 2 жыл бұрын
So these relics have only been found in the Michigan area in the US, and no where else in the US, and ancient countries in the world? Really?
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 2 жыл бұрын
And only while this guy was alive.
@kaihuang4970
@kaihuang4970 2 жыл бұрын
I love the title 'tools leave marks' it also describes the fraudsters and the unqualified 'experts' who keep claiming these artefacts are real.
@RAM-tc7xq
@RAM-tc7xq 7 ай бұрын
And they built the Ark with their bare hands ?
@-kepha8828
@-kepha8828 6 ай бұрын
I can tell by your post that you didnt watch the entire video lol. Shame on you
@revolvermaster4939
@revolvermaster4939 2 жыл бұрын
They should have ended this documentary with the declaration of fraud in the early 1900’s
@sethk5396
@sethk5396 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! After that point, the doc presents things as if fringe theories are equal in validity to actual science.
@usgovernment9922
@usgovernment9922 2 жыл бұрын
We here at the US Government, have been defrauding the citizens of the United States since our founding.
@genmanion2389
@genmanion2389 2 жыл бұрын
lmao
@chrisball3778
@chrisball3778 2 жыл бұрын
They could have ended it after the archaeologist who looked at them in the 1890's said they were bad fakes.
@jessesalazar501
@jessesalazar501 Жыл бұрын
@@genmanion2389 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ml kkkkk
@chrisball3778
@chrisball3778 2 жыл бұрын
What gets me above all else is just how plain awful the 'relics' look. They honestly look like they were made by young children for a school project on the ancient world... who failed the class. Like the quote from the archaeologist from 1911 at the end says, only people who were really desperate to believe in them ever could.
@PatchouliPenny
@PatchouliPenny 2 жыл бұрын
That's very similar to my comment hahaha!
@downbelowtheducks
@downbelowtheducks Жыл бұрын
Off subject but you aren't from WV originally are you Chris Ball?
@jonjdoe
@jonjdoe Жыл бұрын
"... [P]eople who were really desperate to believe..." The problem with this stuff, also entire religions, and now political parties.
@TheWhiteMandara
@TheWhiteMandara Жыл бұрын
this is a different branch of art if you look at stone age art it's not that great either. these people would not have had the influence of greek art or the renaissance. look at Anasazi artwork or early stone age bronze age Native American art and this is not that bad.
@baddie1shoe
@baddie1shoe Жыл бұрын
Lol. Your comment cheered me up.
@ferrous3869
@ferrous3869 2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty irresponsible to end with a both sides narrative after definitively proving these are fake.
@mesmartgnome
@mesmartgnome 2 жыл бұрын
They kind of have to for legal reasons would be my guess.
@hanfin9698
@hanfin9698 2 жыл бұрын
@@mesmartgnome Nope, don't have to at all.
@mickylove76
@mickylove76 2 жыл бұрын
It’s to keep the channel on the good side of the alternative history nuts.
@NathanTarantlawriter
@NathanTarantlawriter 2 жыл бұрын
@@mickylove76 Probably. They're a touchy and militant bunch. "Wake up, sheeple!"
@SamtheIrishexan
@SamtheIrishexan 2 жыл бұрын
@@mickylove76 alternative history nuts they may be but there is alot of stuff out there that pretty well throws current history especially in North America, into the area of speculation as it is. It may not have been ancient aliens lol, but if you look at whatd factual from those groups it does legitimately challenge the "current" history. Dont forget the history we have now hasn't changed in the last 50 years. How does that make sense when there are new finds all the time. So somebody has an alternate history that may be more correct than the current one. Relying on Professors who have incentive to remain "specialists" canr admit that they are wrong so they will go out of there way to try and prove things false, and less intelligent people take their word. I mean Fauci was apparently the smartest doctor on the block. He still can't admit the truth thats why he isn't on tv anymore, completely discredited by "conspiracy theorists" who turned out to be right. Specialists said the steele dossier on Trump was legitimate, but we have proof now those experts were all wrong and some of then maybe intentionally. You put your faith in a system that is nothing but self preservation. Especially when it comes to history. You think the Egyptian antiquities minister would admit he was wrong after being the world's premier egyptologist. But none of that has changed either. You get my point here? These are likely all serious fakes in this show though. But whoever made them was quite the scholar and workman.
@felicityc
@felicityc 2 жыл бұрын
Gee, mormons being wrong? Incredible story but unstartling.
@star_etraWrites
@star_etraWrites 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing like a fervent religious zealot to knowingly seek false knowledge to prove their narrative. >.
@hugehappygrin
@hugehappygrin Жыл бұрын
@Amethyst That was inspiration(we think it's a good idea), not revelation(it came to them in a dream). No, Moroni did not show up and tell David MacKay to change the church policy denying African descended men the upper priesthood. By the way, before you start getting all vicariously butthurt, saying that the policy was racist, the blacks at the time knew they weren't getting the priesthood, and were fine with it. The change was made so that the Corporation of the President of the LDS Church could keep it's tax exempt status.
@shanecompany1239
@shanecompany1239 Жыл бұрын
@@hugehappygrin We all know Morbots are racists and morons. What are you even trying to prove
@uraniumu242
@uraniumu242 Жыл бұрын
Brigham Young University (LDS operated) performed extensive research into the Michigan Relics” they published their findings and reached the conclusion that “…this result applies to one of the hundreds of "Michigan relics," it kills the idea that these things have any relevance to American prehistory. Instead, they are windows onto a period of American history when archaeology was in its infancy and numerous frauds were being used to promote various religious, political and personal agendas. It also highlights the tendency of honest faithful believers to want to buoy up their faith with academias seal of approval. The shroud of Turin is one example. But faith is metaphysical and the faithful will almost always be disappointed by the application of faith to the realm of mankind and not God.
@uraniumu242
@uraniumu242 Жыл бұрын
@Amethyst and as you stated it is a story that never happened except in your mind.
@diva.t.williams
@diva.t.williams 2 жыл бұрын
I love how this publisher admits that he knows absolutely nothing about archaeology or any other topic related to these relics, but still swears these things are real. Half way through, not a single professional or scholar has been featured to discuss the topic. Not a single source is peer reviewed, not a single detail has been confirmed with hard science. They're not even amateur scientists who've done meaningful study despite not going to school. They're just a bunch of wishful thinkers swearing that their daydream is the truth. Truly laughable!
@nonprogrediestregredi1711
@nonprogrediestregredi1711 2 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty good summation. I was thinking the same.
@maxgarbani6644
@maxgarbani6644 2 жыл бұрын
Jajaja jajaja jajaja Do you really believe in Peer Review ? What makes them experts ? Oh yes !.....The controllers certification.
@sethk5396
@sethk5396 Жыл бұрын
@@maxgarbani6644 I'm a licensed archaeologist. There's no "controller" bro you just need a basic degree and field experience.
@maxgarbani6644
@maxgarbani6644 Жыл бұрын
@@sethk5396 Jajaja jajaja jajaja jajaja ! Archeology..... just a fake discipline established by the controllers. And you were gullible enough to spend your money studying lies. You just know what they wanted you to know......
@Damorte
@Damorte Жыл бұрын
His evidence consists of "they are authenticated by some guy who told me they are real" Well fine, ill remember that next time i make a dig report, im gonna drop a bunch of ipods on the dig and just be adamant that they are real artefacts, make some outrageous claims, not document anything and tell people that theyll just have to take my word for it. Probably gonna be fine lol.
@Lucinda_Jackson
@Lucinda_Jackson 2 жыл бұрын
What a genius the magazine publisher is! He holds up a chart of symbols used on the Kinderhook tablet discovered in 1848 as proof that the artifacts discovered beginning in the 1880s through 1920 are legit. He even scoffs and makes a joke that the people behind the Michigan relics must have then made and planted the Kinderhook plate. A small child could reason that one out and yet he’s turned it backward and upside down to make it fit what he wants to believe.
@davidmedlin8562
@davidmedlin8562 2 жыл бұрын
Same with the "archeologist" fit the evidence to your beliefs, silly
@Lucinda_Jackson
@Lucinda_Jackson 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidmedlin8562 I’m sorry, I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
@macshall5741
@macshall5741 2 жыл бұрын
Tale of Mormonism.
@Lucinda_Jackson
@Lucinda_Jackson 2 жыл бұрын
@@macshall5741 Not really. The perpetrators of the fraud weren’t Mormons.
@macshall5741
@macshall5741 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lucinda_Jackson Duh....they were too smart for that but smart enough to sell it to the 'Believers'
@jerseyboyce1
@jerseyboyce1 2 жыл бұрын
"you have to make up your mind for yourself" tell me you ave no evidence without telling me you have no evidence
@ericvulgate
@ericvulgate 2 жыл бұрын
They look like they were made by children for their live action D&D campaign
@mikesands4681
@mikesands4681 2 жыл бұрын
slightly better, id buy them
@jasonshumate6456
@jasonshumate6456 2 жыл бұрын
What is funny is those are the the Fakes they replaced the Real ones with. It cripples Academia with Fear that a White Man might be in America, if they find the Olmecs,their heads would explode. But the fakes look like they were made by a 6 year old.
@alisonhilll4317
@alisonhilll4317 2 жыл бұрын
Certain tribe hides the truth from us ,
@jasonshumate6456
@jasonshumate6456 2 жыл бұрын
@@alisonhilll4317 they hide Bones that don't belong to them,so does the Smithonian in 1799 the Cherokee & Cree who drove them away. Cherokee: the People who built these were not the 2 tribes we found here before us Cree:We see hills all over we bury our dead On the tops but a tale of a "white tribe, who came from the East, and came from the Sea with no shores" One thing is the total difference between the North American And S. American "natives" is the north America was way more aggressive, but far behind the same people in the South. Story Teller and if they saw a Hill they would claim it and say its Sacred, the try an sell it.
@vallll6658
@vallll6658 Жыл бұрын
You have to fathom that D+D is likely designed after these artifacts and glyphs that have been there the whole time.
@revolvermaster4939
@revolvermaster4939 2 жыл бұрын
The most amazing thing in this video is that actual journalists used to exist
@ashleelarsen5002
@ashleelarsen5002 2 жыл бұрын
That's debatable
@revolvermaster4939
@revolvermaster4939 2 жыл бұрын
@@ashleelarsen5002 talking about the one that exposed the fraud family in 1912
@kaihuang4970
@kaihuang4970 2 жыл бұрын
As long as they weren't working for William Randolph Hearst.
@beckerabstracts
@beckerabstracts 2 жыл бұрын
Now that's an artifact!
@davedavidson8208
@davedavidson8208 Жыл бұрын
They still do. It's just that these days everyone can find their own special little "journalists" to tell them what they want to hear, more than ever before. So a lot of dumb shit seeps through. Just look at how many people in America believe in the Q bs. Look at the videos of people who lined the streets because they legitimately believed jfk Jr was going to come back...
@morriganmhor5078
@morriganmhor5078 2 жыл бұрын
I just love the term "independent researcher" or "independent scientist". Frauds all. But what I do not understand is how they got into the mainstream.
@maryanneslater9675
@maryanneslater9675 Жыл бұрын
Journalist Kurt Andersen wrote about it in his book "Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire." The US was settled primarily by people who were determined that their religion was the only true one (and promptly had splinter groups of "true" faiths) and by adventurers looking for cities of gold. The desire to believe what one wants to believe despite evidence to the contrary evolved into a freedom and then a "right" among Americans. Especially when it comes to religion or being "self-educated." Any crazy cult or fraud can go mainstream.
@DanCooper404
@DanCooper404 2 жыл бұрын
When he deciphered "MSH", I thought he was going to say "Michigan." 🤣
@DracoTriste
@DracoTriste Жыл бұрын
He discovered these while digging post holes? Has anyone here dug a hole for a post? That’s a small hole, just a couple inches bigger than the post. And the post-holer is a stabbing, crushing tool. The “artifacts” would have been tiny or crushed. Just his story of how he found them in suspicious to me.
@sugarnads
@sugarnads Жыл бұрын
Modsrn thinking. Old post hole diggers were slow manual devices. You could certainly find so ething of this sort while digging post holes
@DracoTriste
@DracoTriste Жыл бұрын
I am talking about a slow, manual device. The clamshell post hole digger is typically just called a post hole digger or post-holer. You stab the ground and then crush the dirt before lifting the load of dirt out of the hole. I’ve had to use this tool quite a lot. Unless you’re thinking he was using a shovel, I can’t imagine what other tool he might have used. I don’t think he used an auger or any automated tool. Do you know or have a guess as to what he was using?
@ClickClack_Bam
@ClickClack_Bam Жыл бұрын
Lol exactly. They weren't finding those items in those amounts like they claimed!
@tarialorehand
@tarialorehand Жыл бұрын
@@DracoTriste We still have one, it doesn't work because the handles are really old but it would if we changed out the handles and sharpen the edges, but I understand what you were saying and I agree. They would have been destroyed as he was digging with one of these tools. Even with a shovel he would've destroyed them or even some of them, but it's amazing that he would start digging when no one was around and poof there was an artifact. (Look at the man that found the terracotta soldiers, he destroyed a couple of them before he stopped digging and realize he found something). I guess he knew right where to dig to find them, amazing. :) An artifact magnet. :)
@patrickknowles9730
@patrickknowles9730 2 жыл бұрын
The dudes theory ab the oil lamp is bogus, let’s say someone in the 15-1800s went to Rome and found snd artifact and then brought it to American and it got lost and was later found. Just bc something is 2000 years old doesn’t mean it’s been there for all of those 2000 years
@maryanneslater9675
@maryanneslater9675 Жыл бұрын
In the 1800s, an antique clay oil lamp would have been a cheap souvenir for anyone visiting the Mediterranean area. For that matter, it might even be a reproduction sold to tourists.
@johnlshilling1446
@johnlshilling1446 Жыл бұрын
My immediate thought when this lamp was shown... Where's the chain of custody? Allowing that it is genuinely fashioned in the Mediterranean style, where has it spent the last several centuries? --- A well traveled artifact! If only it came with its own private travel journal. 😕
@ianmcdonald8648
@ianmcdonald8648 Жыл бұрын
your last sentence makes sense
@hellboundrubber4448
@hellboundrubber4448 Жыл бұрын
@@maryanneslater9675 You think there were Tourists in the 1800"s? Really? Do you know what was happening in the 1500's? Europeans didn't use utensils until the 1700's.
@randomguy-
@randomguy- Жыл бұрын
@@hellboundrubber4448 The fork is about a thousand years old. Knives and spoons go back thousands. Rich people have been travelling for pleasure for several hundred years and if you count a couple of fringe cases, thousands. In the 1800's for example travels to Egypt were really popular. The orient express started in the 1880's. In the 17th century many wealthy europeans took "the grand tour". Also, I guess you have the Vikings, which were well known for their "tourism", consisting of trade, plunder and burning, among other things. Not entirely unlike the charter trips of today.
@marydlutes1792
@marydlutes1792 2 жыл бұрын
Just about as silly as the Golden Tablets given to Joseph Smith by Maroni.
@positivelygroovylife
@positivelygroovylife Жыл бұрын
You may be surprised to know that there are submerged pyramids in lakes in wisconsin.....there is more to this country than you think....my pastor picked some rocks out of a stream for me and one of them happened to be a lillith amulet with embossed writings on it, you can clearly see the dragon and the chain of the amulet. This has got to be at least a thousand years old, found in a riverbed downstream from Mt st helens about 6 months ago....I don't care what so called experts say....I believe what is tangible in my hand that I see with my own two eyes
@bethrose4920
@bethrose4920 2 жыл бұрын
I love ancient artifacts and at first glance I had to laugh that anyone believed the crap these people spewed......i enjoyed the analysis of tool marks and materials ......the only proof of where they actually came from.....so simple.......
@walterchristley4898
@walterchristley4898 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it funny how every piece is perfect and looks just as clear as the day it was made.
@davidharrison6535
@davidharrison6535 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it funny that in every ancient man made cave There are tool marks these caves are 10's of thousands of years old. Those Indian carved temples the huge ones they carved out of mountains. They are IMPOSSIBLE to do with your hands as they used a Mountain as the RAW material for the temple. Then they carved it. You can still see the marks left by machines they used. Machines tha have never been found. Neither has any of the material removed has ever been found. All over ancient Egypt are marks made by Machines on the Huge Obelisks that we would have trouble moving even today without breaking. How did they move that? Also their statues of the ancient kings are perfectly symmetrical. Impossible to do then. near impossible to do now, unless you have a computer controlled lathe. Who built the Pyramids? Who moved the stones miles for Stonehenge? How were the Giant statues moved around Easter Island? . I'm sorry but the 'Machine Marks 'argument for them to be fakes, just does not hold water. Also the fact they are written in 3 different readable languages, that have been near extinct for 2000 years. Yet this guy Knew All 3 or has scholars to help him. He had to source the tiles (9000) the carve engrave and polish flawlessly. Without the drills and grinders to make them. Again as no mistakes they would have to be done on something like a computer controlled CnC machine. (That I note were all the rage in 1890's America and the must have had a dozen or so running 24/7 ) Oopps thats right No Electricity. No generators..
@1960ARC
@1960ARC Жыл бұрын
I think fakes designed to hide history.
@hellboundrubber4448
@hellboundrubber4448 Жыл бұрын
@@walterchristley4898 No they're not. Look at them again. Slate stays the way it is. And the others were in Copper. Other stuff was broken and corroded. Their were fakes and real finds.
@wabisabi6875
@wabisabi6875 Жыл бұрын
"... letter forms that never existed in anyone's world, invented by these people..." Exactly.
@loke6664
@loke6664 2 жыл бұрын
It is a bit confusing that people think things like copper swords are real. Bronze swords, fine but a copper sword is totally useless. I know it is a very interesting story with Jews or Coptic Christians arriving in America long before Columbus and Leif Erickson but these just doesn't make sense. I would not say it is impossible the people from the old world ever got to America before Columbus, we know the vikings did it but focusing on all this fake stuff really makes us focus on it instead of real archaeology. This isn't like the Kenzington rune stone that is probably fake but could possibly be real either. The Norsemen did fish west of Greenland at that time and we know they had the means to get there. Also, I feel that if the Coptics or Jews got in that area in large enough number to drop 3000 found artifacts they would have left ruins in stone there as well and other things besides copper, clay and stone slates. Also, how languages like Hebrew, Cuneiform and a few others would have mixed in the new world but not the old seems very strange. Modern toolmarks and the fact that 2 guys expeditions found almost all of the artifacts doesn't exactly help the claims of authenticity either. I could see how a ship from classical time could have ended up in America by mistake but not a massive fleet enough to set up a local industry either, that one lucky ship would survive the journey is one thing but an entire fleet? The ship technology of the time was not good enough for that, not until around 650 AD when the first viking type of ships with sails came did we have something good enough to survive that with acceptable losses. At this time, you are looking at the wrong hemisphere for that. The Polynesians did get the sweet potato around this time and had the skills and technology to reach South America, they are a more likely suspect for reaching the Americas 1500 years ago, maybe even on a more regular basis too. That is worth researching.
@hugehappygrin
@hugehappygrin Жыл бұрын
Tobacco, a plant from the Americas, was found in Egyptian tombs. Pyramids were found all over the world, not just in Egypt.
@loke6664
@loke6664 Жыл бұрын
@@hugehappygrin Nicotine was found in mummies, yes. It is possible that a know extinct plant had nicotine as well as some sources mentions such a plant but they also found cocaine. That does however not mean Egypt had direct trade connections with the Americas. We do actually have some Egyptian ships and both them and the sources from the time makes it clear that crossing the Atlantic in one of them would be close to impossible. Active trading over the Atlantic would require at least viking ship technology and Egypt (or even the Phoenicians) didn't had that. Likelier, the trade went over Bering's strait and then followed the silk road. As for the pyramids, they have very little in common between Egypt, South America and China. The Egyptian pyramids are not stepped (well, originally they were covered with white marble and totally straight) and built in massive stones. South American pyramids are always step pyramids and only the outside have massive stone block, they are filled with dirt and rubble inside. The Chinese pyramids are made of dirt, I don't think any of them have been fully excavated but they have likely a stone structure protecting the Emperor and his stuff inside. From afar they might look similar but the building technique is wildly different and at least in the Americas and Egypt you can see how they started to build primitive structures first, in 2 very different ways. China isn't really that well excavated yet but the outside of the pyramids are stomped earth, like the older parts of the great wall. But you are right that there are signs of trade between the Americas and Egypt, I don't think a single trader traveled the entire way though but that the goods changed hands many times during the trip, That is unless an unknown ancient ship types get discovered but that that is pretty unlikely since no pictures of such a ship have been found on either side of the Atlantic but many pictures and actual wrecks (usually in bad shape but they found 2 next to the great pyramid in extremely good condition). Also, if you want to compare the Egyptian and South American pyramids you need to look on the only known pyramid of size from a similar time: that would be the pyramid in Caral Supe. Even very old pyramids like La Dante were just built less then 3000 years ago, only Caral supe is known to be from a similar date as Giza. It does look nothing the same but you can see that it uses a similar but more primitive technique as the later ones. So I guess it is possible but very unlikely that the builders of Caral Supe heard of Imhotep's Red pyramid and decided to make something similar but if so, they were never told any details. Caral Supe had a flat top and it seems like there was a government building (or temple) on top of it.
@slothnoise8033
@slothnoise8033 2 жыл бұрын
I think there would be other evidence of advanced civilization in the area. Not only some relics
@sethk5396
@sethk5396 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. Fun thing about archaeology is it's 90% stuff like potsherds, postholes, and middens. Very rarely treasure lol
@nikkil.a7366
@nikkil.a7366 2 жыл бұрын
There were and still are! Mounds all over the place! We need LiDAR to get under ground surface, but even just satellite imagery shows magnificent mounds. I live right in front of a massive mound turned into a cemetery. People need to look and investigate before just assuming.
@sethk5396
@sethk5396 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikkil.a7366 LIDAR measures elevation. We use it to get a detailed topographical map of the site. It doesn't "look under the ground."
@nikkil.a7366
@nikkil.a7366 2 жыл бұрын
@@sethk5396 I’m so glad you understood what it is I was saying :)
@markmaher8709
@markmaher8709 2 жыл бұрын
The video poses as a "let's expose nonsensical, anti-scientific trash theories" documentary, but then goes on to present a number of con artists spewing their nonsense - with little or no pushback in many cases. A shameful production. If one is dedicated to pushing nonsense, at least be honest that this is what you are doing. Sleazy to the core.
@OgreOnAStick
@OgreOnAStick 2 жыл бұрын
A fool that speaks aloud is always exposed for the fool he is, whereas a fool that is silenced can be mistaken for a wise man due to his silence.
@markmaher8709
@markmaher8709 2 жыл бұрын
@@OgreOnAStick Let the record show that you've chosen to "speak aloud". 😄
@backalleycqc4790
@backalleycqc4790 Жыл бұрын
About 20 years ago, a father-in-law of mine had this really cool wax cabinet that contained hundreds of wax figures outlining various medical illnesses and procedures. It was an incredible collection, most likely priceless. Then one day, because he was very old and starting to become very ill, he decided to sell it. He got me to create a website and then he began to tell me the story of its origin and how he became the owner. It was such bs, he was such a charlatan that the truth didn't matter "It's all about what people think it is and what people are willing to pay." He died before he could sell it and I still don't know what became of it. It's a shame really, it was such a unique set of wax figures.
@cruisepaige
@cruisepaige Жыл бұрын
I love the expression “a father in law of mine” 😂😂😂
@backalleycqc4790
@backalleycqc4790 Жыл бұрын
@@cruisepaige Yeah, well, we move on from divorce to another sometimes...
@jerseyboyce1
@jerseyboyce1 2 жыл бұрын
I'm supposed to believe that a lamp bought from some guy is reputable cause this "not an archeologist" says so? that's dumn
@hiddentruth1982
@hiddentruth1982 2 жыл бұрын
quite the well thought out scam. set it up and then have someone respected by the community dig it up to add validity. all at a time when artifacts were popular but little known about it.
@NathanTarantlawriter
@NathanTarantlawriter 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's hilarious some guy spent this much time and effort to make what looks like children's recreations of ancient artwork and tried to foist it on a gullible public. I bet this guy was a hoot at parties.
@AECRADIO1
@AECRADIO1 2 жыл бұрын
HE ALSO TURNED LEAD INTO GOLD WITH HIS HIGH LEVEL ALCHEMY STUDIES.
@rhondasampsel2806
@rhondasampsel2806 Жыл бұрын
They are very old still but they are frauds on what they was suppose to represent that's the shame and all the money that was put out for them.If all people's would do this and the Art world definitely has, nothing we see would be the real age.They was nice To see some of them but still fakes.It makes one wonder about are history.A pen can be used in the same way.
@BlackQback
@BlackQback Жыл бұрын
Have you seen genuine early-Christian (up to Gothic period) artwork? The quality of drawings are the least of my concerns regarding this hoax.
@jwenting
@jwenting Жыл бұрын
@@AECRADIO1 it's easy to turn lead into gold. Make "ancient artifacts" out of the lead and sell them to gullible fools for gold...
@AECRADIO1
@AECRADIO1 Жыл бұрын
@@jwenting HAVD GOLD PAINT, WILL FLIM-FLAM!
@deewesthill1213
@deewesthill1213 2 жыл бұрын
I keep wondering if there are more elaborate archeology hoaxes that were so well done they are difficult to tell from the real thing.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, but there are. NatGeo even fell for an ivory bust in the early 2000s that wound up on one of their covers.
@maxgarbani6644
@maxgarbani6644 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah !.....All the dinosaurs 🦖🦕 bones that never existed.
@briansteidl2016
@briansteidl2016 2 жыл бұрын
​@@maxgarbani6644 Jesus built my dinosaur on Jurassic park at a time lol
@chriscoker7794
@chriscoker7794 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah there is a lot of these things in Israel. The guy fooled a lot of the so called experts.
@unclescipio3136
@unclescipio3136 2 жыл бұрын
There was a whole industry in Renaissance times of sculptors creating fake Roman relics. It was rumoured that even Michelangelo did some fakery in this area to make some cash.
@martinb5626
@martinb5626 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute history goes full History Channel. Up next, Pawn Stars!
@mesmartgnome
@mesmartgnome 2 жыл бұрын
It was aliens. It’s always aliens. That or, it’s zombie ninjas. They’re stealthy because they don’t breathe.
@AECRADIO1
@AECRADIO1 2 жыл бұрын
NO NO NO..IT IS 'Q' SCREWING WITH PICARD ONCE AGAIN!
@mesmartgnome
@mesmartgnome 2 жыл бұрын
@@AECRADIO1 ok, going off topic but, am I the only one that thinks Q aged very well?
@lisapop5219
@lisapop5219 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, when were the copts forced out of Egypt on pain of death prior to the Islamic conquest?
@mikesands4681
@mikesands4681 2 жыл бұрын
plenty of copts still living in egypt
@lisapop5219
@lisapop5219 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikesands4681 that was my point
@hansberger4939
@hansberger4939 2 жыл бұрын
they say, they are still three millions.
@donnapido3824
@donnapido3824 Жыл бұрын
In 1994 I exposed a set of fake Maasai artifacts in the Spring issue of African Arts Magazine. They were contrived by two Americans and a British Kenyan, Your story of the Michigan relics sounds very much like my own experience since my review of "The Art of the Maasai' by Gillies Turle. He is still selling them and they have become something of a cottage industry in Maasailand. There are even scholars and curators who have swallowed Turle's story. Some of the fakes, in spite of being very obvious, have made it into reputable museums and the collections of some royal families. It's comforting to know that this has happened before!
@Sharonc64
@Sharonc64 2 жыл бұрын
How funny it was to hear him describe the clay "relics" that are literally made from pieces of the literal kitchen sink.
@MrHaighahatta
@MrHaighahatta Жыл бұрын
Slate, actually.
@walterchristley4898
@walterchristley4898 2 жыл бұрын
Ok. At 27:50, he starts with the old canard that Constantine ruined everything. He says, "Constantine wanted a Trinity." BS. Constantine just wanted the church to settle the dispute. He called the Council of Nicea, opened the Council and then walked away. The bishops, gathered from every part of the known world, made the decisions themselves.
@kaihuang4970
@kaihuang4970 2 жыл бұрын
😂 throwing shade about getting the history of men making things up for their 'bible' wrong, is hilarious.
@megw7312
@megw7312 2 жыл бұрын
…. and by the time they took the vote, the Brit bishops had all walked away. (btw - Constantine was a Briton - contrary to wiki - his mother was a powerful Brit princess - no brothers to outrank her and she remained a significant influence in his life).
@somewhereupthere785
@somewhereupthere785 2 жыл бұрын
He would have to had known 5 different languages...or had a library card.
@chadb9270
@chadb9270 2 жыл бұрын
20:48 he is holding up a page that disprove his point. All of the symbols, from all the different languages from around the world, look extremely similar. They look the same because human beings created written languages and prefer similar shapes. Notice all of the Y shapes??? It’s almost like certain symbols are universal……….
@dhesyca4471
@dhesyca4471 Жыл бұрын
The archeologist, Dr Richard Stamps, is my hero now just for this documentary adhd his work on these hoax pieces.
@rositahuff4858
@rositahuff4858 2 жыл бұрын
…copper ages very fast…you can have a copper artifact … that looks thousand of years old in a few weeks time…
@maryanneslater9675
@maryanneslater9675 Жыл бұрын
Just takes some white vinegar. And some of those copper artifacts didn't even look a century old. Anything actually buried in moist forest soil for 1500 years would be very corroded.
@thedude8046
@thedude8046 2 жыл бұрын
Columbus did not discover America.
@ericvulgate
@ericvulgate 2 жыл бұрын
Deep Thoughts
@ferociousgumby
@ferociousgumby 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how they use the word "discover", as if the land had no real significance until THEY came along. What about the MANY indigenous nations who had been living there for millennia?
@mystogan238
@mystogan238 2 жыл бұрын
Yh they using that bogus for a reason And that is to invade,killing,robbing,occupy the natives
@hansberger4939
@hansberger4939 2 жыл бұрын
He did. but he wasnt the first.
@DanaTheInsane
@DanaTheInsane Жыл бұрын
He never set foot in the continental United States.
@kaihuang4970
@kaihuang4970 2 жыл бұрын
May's 'proof' of earlier finds can also be explained as the inspiration to make more fakes for money. Who wouldn't want to make money for 25 years by making fakes. Nothing has been found for a century because they're scared of ridicule, a claim with absolutely no proof.
@MrHaighahatta
@MrHaighahatta Жыл бұрын
Hell! If I dug up a stone inscribed with ancient runes or a potful of roman coins here in Vermont, I'd want some archaeologist to evaluate it without worrying about being ridiculed. The only ones who need worry about ridicule are those who paid good money for a fake artifact.
@FalafelSultan
@FalafelSultan Жыл бұрын
that publisher should have understood that during the late 19th and early 20th century the study of dead or archaic languages such as: Latin, Greek, and very much into ancient Egypt (which is why Egyptomania exists) and many others were immensely popular, not just with scholars, but everyone was super into this, so having these artefacts manufactured by a couple of people cause they were bored, or wanted to strike it rich is not outside of the realm someone from the late 19th century there are many stories of archaeologists being disgraced/defunded because of fraudulent artefacts.
@KristiContemplates
@KristiContemplates 2 жыл бұрын
There'd be traces of the minerals from the regolith the 'relics' had been sitting in within the etchings of the engravings, which could be used to determine how long they'd been buried. Chemistry & Physics is the archeologists' friend
@maryanneslater9675
@maryanneslater9675 Жыл бұрын
Yes, and the copper didn't look nearly tarnished enough for having supposedly been buried for over 1500 years. In damp forest soil, the copper plates should have been covered in green patina within a century, and corroded beyond easy legibility in a thousand years.
@jaymevosburgh3660
@jaymevosburgh3660 2 жыл бұрын
I have a blank book that I have filled with every known alphabet I could find, real and fantasy. Some I do not understand but I do understand what character matches certain ones from my native language. So it IS easy to fake a script without knowing what it says. If they were just creating them to sell them off then I doubt they cared if anyone would ever be able to decipher the script assuming the boys made it up as they went along. It is actually easy to do.
@justinnash1602
@justinnash1602 2 жыл бұрын
Yesngerlander.
@StudioHannah
@StudioHannah 2 жыл бұрын
I used to do that when I as a kid! I learned how to read a few of the fantasy ones. And I’m learning Korean now as an adult because I found the Hangul alphabet so interesting. Good to find another symbols enthusiast :D
@jerseyboyce1
@jerseyboyce1 2 жыл бұрын
ever read Finnegans' Wake? james Joyce wrote it in some 20-something languages some real some not, some he spoke, some he didn't.
@PatchouliPenny
@PatchouliPenny 2 жыл бұрын
I started studying history of art in 1980, then ancient Egypt, cave paintings, pottery, ancient history etc. I'm no archaeologist or ancient linguistics specialist but I have learnt a thing or two in 42 years, I am an artist and I do have an eye for things. In all of human history it seems the only artwork in any medium that's really stood the test of time has been that of very good artists right back to the earliest cave paintings. Everything else has either been discarded or been destroyed or painted over especially the further back you go. Just looking at all of these so-called relics there isn't a well made or well drawn piece among them. The pottery is no better than children's and nor are the drawings. Any artist knows that only children draw an eye with eyelashes all the way around it and all facing in one direction. The person doing all the drawings was no better than a child. The style is very modern though. Nobody would have bothered to keep stuff of such a poor standard for as long as this stuff has supposedly been around, it's just not worth it. I'd have to check with a real professional cuneiform and hyroglyphics expert about this one but did anyone ever create works combining cuneiform, hyroglyphics and ancient Greek? No, the chaps had some books to copy from and were fairly smart with their fakes for those times but they clearly can't fool modern day metallurgy, archaeology, pottery, slate experts or that method of dating clay.
@pvm7184
@pvm7184 2 жыл бұрын
Dammmm!!! That was a Mouth Full!
@FairbrookWingates
@FairbrookWingates Жыл бұрын
I found it most interesting how the publisher seemed to believe the hodgepodge of languages proved it authentic. To my mind, it just looks like someone copy-pasting bits and pieces together, furthers from authentication! These are clearly no Rosetta Stone and no culture has mixed so many dispirit languages of far-flung origins and times.
@sinjinmonsoon9055
@sinjinmonsoon9055 2 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable. Almost an ancient alien episode. But a different level of nmonsense.
@chino3796
@chino3796 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Aliens pushes the fake Peru(?)statuettes that show aliens & people & dinosaurs all together. The quality is about the same as these.
@mdarifulislamhridoy9147
@mdarifulislamhridoy9147 2 жыл бұрын
@@chino3796 Could you bring out more points about the fakes from Ancient Aliens. I was actually suspicious about the show, that they are actually pushing fakes.
@keneutervalve9459
@keneutervalve9459 Жыл бұрын
All we needed in addition, was Childress holding his hands up, saying.." you just haaaave to ask yourself...."
@magicpyroninja
@magicpyroninja Жыл бұрын
Asked you to walk away while he digs it up at the place where he said he would find things no way there could have been any trickery at all there 🤣
@hugehappygrin
@hugehappygrin Жыл бұрын
You do know that when something of import is found, governments(USA) tend to hide digs, etc.
@margaretmathis4775
@margaretmathis4775 2 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that if they were real, they would be weathered, broken, chipped, etc. Instead…..they are just too pristine to be ancient.
@ronpflugrath2712
@ronpflugrath2712 2 жыл бұрын
Rocks store very well in dirt
@hugehappygrin
@hugehappygrin Жыл бұрын
A lot of things found in ancient tombs are found in pristine condition...
@revolvermaster4939
@revolvermaster4939 2 жыл бұрын
That’s obviously a Clovis oil lamp
@kariannecrysler640
@kariannecrysler640 2 жыл бұрын
LMAO😂
@kelliepatrick519
@kelliepatrick519 Жыл бұрын
Even if some of these were demonstrated to be genuine antique artifacts, it wouldn't mean that the 'carver' created them here after coming across the ocean as some ancient early visitors. They could simply be relics transported here by early Nordic/European settlers as part of their family or cultural heritage. (i.e.., part of a Viking hoard raided from a Brit parish, handed down a few generations, then transported here with the early settlers).
@mariawhite7337
@mariawhite7337 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes and I'm sure these carvers used old slate that is cut with machining tools. Not to mention using modern smithing methods. AND a single set of persons finding said artifacts. Sure fam. To be honest, here, this sort of thing comes from a key point of racism. Yes. All of these 'white people in the americas' is from mainly RACISTS. You learn that the more you look into this stuff.
@jessicaumlor7979
@jessicaumlor7979 Жыл бұрын
I don't know why noone else seemed to consider this. They also misrepresented their thermoluminescence technology as being accurate within a ten-year period, when it's actually found to have an accuracy of 10%
@mariawhite7337
@mariawhite7337 Жыл бұрын
@@jessicaumlor7979 Actually it doesn't. This type of dating is used for pottery and flint most in particular. As a mater of fact this type of dating methods are used in the middle east. So if you want to call it a lie then all those ""Biblical"" artefacts that were dated to that time period using this are now all false. That means that these artefacts are all fakes and forgeries and the bible is now false. Congrats. **drinks coffee**
@jessicaumlor7979
@jessicaumlor7979 Жыл бұрын
@@mariawhite7337 *gasps* the bible is fake? It's called a deduction, not an absolute. It's a good thing to read up on things from many angles, especially since there's so much money and governments and expectations behind biblical artifacts. It's not like scholars are people capable of being paid off, threatened, coerced, or just plain wrong 🤔
@mariawhite7337
@mariawhite7337 Жыл бұрын
@@jessicaumlor7979 you mean the MILLIONS of scholars and thousands of scientists helping them? Conspiracies are stupid when you break them down. Don't insult me by going by Conspiracies. I was tearing them down in high-school on Gaia online. Spent hours researching and retorting.
@SweetUniverse
@SweetUniverse Жыл бұрын
Do archeologists usually find artifacts that quickly - like the same afternoon as they arrive at the site?? (😂😂)
@captainsensiblejr.
@captainsensiblejr. 2 жыл бұрын
David Deal, whose section starts around 28 minutes asks who could have made the astronomical connections, with lunar eclipses, My answer is any one who had an astrological almanac, and a standard atlas. Everything else would be easily found. I'm the 19th century, particularly among eastern Europeans, Hebrew was the third most common classical language taught in university's. There was a resurgence of fundamentalist evangelical Christianity in the United States and it was common for American university's to teach Hebrew. David Deal, having translated the texts then worked backwards to discover the astronomical connections, has not stopped to think that a hoaxer could do the same things to create a hoax.
@captainsensiblejr.
@captainsensiblejr. 2 жыл бұрын
Explanation for artifacts discovered between 1850s and 1870s is that there were fundamentalist evangelical Christians trying to manufacture evidence for Biblical populations in North America, just as Joseph Smith manufactured artifacts to found his fake religion in Utah. Scottford, etc, come a long later and created their own fakes for the fame and academic recognition, and money
@mattmatt6572
@mattmatt6572 Жыл бұрын
I think also many true archeologists are fooling themselves to think that everything always line up with a star and sostices on a certain date in a certain year and try to make all archeology connect to religious ceremony and the stars. Seems like if you take all the constellations and sun and moon phases and all the years of them shifting from our earth's pattern you can make alignments with any building or any village layout ever made my houses southeast corner perfectly aligns with the third from left star on orions belt on the third year of the 7th month every 4 thousand years. He must worship orion... I think people were just doing more practical people stuff even 10 thousand years ago.
@davidmedlin8562
@davidmedlin8562 2 жыл бұрын
I like how when the fraudsters are talking they just casually throw up am image showing how they are full of crap, very nice very well done indeed
@lisapop5219
@lisapop5219 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, what a con! I'm from MI and have never heard about this
@kariannecrysler640
@kariannecrysler640 2 жыл бұрын
Michigander here! I knew about them, but figured most must be hoaxes. Sad thing is that in the earlier lumbering years of our state many actual burial mounds were found and looted. I feared that some significant artifacts may have been altered in the hoax. But I do trust the more recent examinations and their conclusions. If you are interested there was a university of Michigan dig site that recently found a Clovis point , there are existing mounds in the Grand Rapids area and the copper culture in the UP has been given a time of starting mining 8000 or more years ago. I really like finding archeologists on KZfaq giving lectures of their new findings lol😊
@matakaw4287
@matakaw4287 Жыл бұрын
Poor Granny Robson could never get a good night's sleep living beside the artifactory.
@xXDarkflowerXx
@xXDarkflowerXx Жыл бұрын
The mental gymnastics on display here are amazing!
@geneticepistomology
@geneticepistomology 2 жыл бұрын
Before the end of the intro it was obvious these were fake.
@BuckNuttage
@BuckNuttage Жыл бұрын
The poor "expert" trying to convince himself more than the audience that these are real.
@irrationalgeographic9953
@irrationalgeographic9953 Жыл бұрын
I first thought how sad that people have wasted so much of their time on these fakes, that did not last long as they have made money off the fraud. Its a great example of conformation bias.
@catofthecastle1681
@catofthecastle1681 Жыл бұрын
Confirmation!!!
@refosco1993
@refosco1993 2 жыл бұрын
I’m shook and this makes me laugh .. I was scammed out of $300 today by a woman who deserves an Oscar for her performance…. the algorithm gods also deserve an award for suggesting this video on such a day!!
@sethk5396
@sethk5396 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the section discussing the obvious fakery of the original artifacts, but it quickly devolves from there and lends WAY too much credibility to fringe / cult / pseudoarchaeological positions which are deeply racist (often tied to bullshit like great replacement theory and new earth creationism), and not based in any science. Referring to these people as "researchers" or "independent researchers" but not mentioning that they have 0 training or experience at all, and presenting their views as if it's just a reasonable alternative that archaeologists have simply "ignored."
@suziecreamcheese211
@suziecreamcheese211 2 жыл бұрын
I bet you got the jab.
@sethk5396
@sethk5396 2 жыл бұрын
@@suziecreamcheese211 Yeah. Most people who have jobs got them lol.
@SK-jq8um
@SK-jq8um 2 жыл бұрын
Could be true if the copper used during the bronze age wasn't tested back to the ore mined out of Michigan, only place know to have copper in that pure of form.
@maxgarbani6644
@maxgarbani6644 2 жыл бұрын
Oh Seth Blah blah blah When you have nothing smart to say ....
@MrBottlecapBill
@MrBottlecapBill 2 жыл бұрын
@@SK-jq8um Too bad that's 100% false. None of it has ever been tested back to michigan in fact if you browse youtube you'll find plenty of sources saying quite clearly that the two sources of copper are NOT connected at all. In any way.
@lorefox201
@lorefox201 2 жыл бұрын
what I find really interesting is the theatrics 1) go to a new place, contact the local midwits, stroke their egos 2) lure them where you had hidden the artifact 3) have them excavate the artifact out with their own hands 4) make them accomplishes by signing an affidavit. The people of the town will probably believe them since the local "smart guy" does. The "smart guy" has now staked his ego on the artifacts being true, will defend them to the point of autism (no offense to actual autistic people you know what I mean) Even if he later starts to doubt the circumstances/comes to his senses. Skeptics come? how can they doubt the signatures of so many smart guys! this kind of plan, my good friends, is absolutely genius and bespeaks of a great knowledge of human behaviour and nature. They might have found no artifacts, but they deserve an honorary degree in psychology.
@awakeningfaith2290
@awakeningfaith2290 2 жыл бұрын
IF, that is really what happened. I don't believe they are genuine but often times people that hold a position, will create their own scenario in how something happened. I personally think the guy would have been smart enough to see the set up if it actually played out like that.
@lorefox201
@lorefox201 Жыл бұрын
@@awakeningfaith2290 some would be but don't underestimate people's stupidity, we live in a planet in which email scams work.
@awakeningfaith2290
@awakeningfaith2290 Жыл бұрын
@@lorefox201 lol!!!!! Thats an excellent point!
@toxotorana
@toxotorana Жыл бұрын
1A. (prequel) Learn an Archaic Hebrew Coptic script before its even discovered either that or copy already existing artifacts exactly so they can be read by 21st century scholars. The truth still remains that there is an anomaly here that Skepticism will not remove. Untill someone gets in an actual early Christian archeologist/historian/language expert and also a historical artifact fakes expert to sort it out it will still remain an anomaly.
@lorefox201
@lorefox201 Жыл бұрын
@@toxotorana it's not an archaic Hebrew Coptic script, it's vaguelly cuneiform looking squiggles that have some similarities with other stuff, it just requires seeing photos of Sumerian tablets. Also again, it's not "Coptic" because that has its own script which is completely different
@SafetySpooon
@SafetySpooon Жыл бұрын
I love the guy who says "I bought it from a respected collector, it's authenticated!" Yeah? BY WHOM? LOL
@jjgdenisrobert
@jjgdenisrobert Жыл бұрын
“Independent researcher”. Another word for “quack”.
@KitsuneVoss
@KitsuneVoss Жыл бұрын
in simple terms, if there were so many, wouldn't you expect modern archeologists to be finding these things?
@historybuff7491
@historybuff7491 Жыл бұрын
I see two obvious questions that even this documentry didn't address. One: The total eclips reviewed a 100 year time frame he wanted. Solar eclipses are common. They only seem rare based on location. For example 1800 to 1900: 1806 a total eclipse happened in Chicago. It is close enough (time, place) for old news articles. Two: the finds locations are known. Why are they not re-escavated? There are at least 17. At least some of them should show signs of occupation (even from hunter gatherers) especially given the months it would taken to create some of these artifacts. Why don't we have postholes from their shelters, or harth areas where they cooked and warmed themselves?
@mmneander1316
@mmneander1316 Жыл бұрын
Good points.
@miketrissel5494
@miketrissel5494 Жыл бұрын
I think you would enjoy seeing the 'Decalogue Holy Stones' in a Central Ohio Museum. It appears to be an Amulet or Teriphim idol, surrounded front and back with the entire 10 commandments in the old Hebrew block letters. The fact that the writings fit perfectly around the edge is amazing
@catofthecastle1681
@catofthecastle1681 Жыл бұрын
Plus there were originally 60+ commandments! Religious leaders took out the obviously Jewish only commandments!
@johnandre2962
@johnandre2962 Жыл бұрын
"The World's Most Elaborate Archaeological Fraud" .... err no .... that honour belongs to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
@thisintrovertknits
@thisintrovertknits 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta keep watching for the good stuff (clear evidence it's all crap), but ooh boy it's a clear window into the mind of delusional people.
@JazzEnthusiast
@JazzEnthusiast Жыл бұрын
This documentary is quite interesting on a level deeper than the obvious fraudulent claims. It reeks of a purposeful, convoluted cover up as well.
@jessicaumlor7979
@jessicaumlor7979 Жыл бұрын
Thermoluminescence has an accuracy of 10%, yet it was presented as being accurate between a 10-year period if that tells you anything.
@JazzEnthusiast
@JazzEnthusiast Жыл бұрын
@@jessicaumlor7979 for me the cover up lies within the grouping together of legitimate artifacts with the fraudulent. It's like when an individual behaves in a uncivilized manner it taints the group. Society slants its biased opinions towards the group with a broad stroke.
@jessicaumlor7979
@jessicaumlor7979 Жыл бұрын
@@JazzEnthusiast You're on to something there, for sure!
@stevelindsay3643
@stevelindsay3643 Жыл бұрын
What better way to dismiss the reality of real artifacts than by inundating them with fakes.
@violetlight8138
@violetlight8138 Жыл бұрын
I love how the fraudsters are not standing in an archeological site but a field with one little hole showing where they found the object.
@we.r.wine.bottles.im.at.work.
@we.r.wine.bottles.im.at.work. 2 жыл бұрын
Wow , only if Joseph Smith himself was here to read this crap 🤔😑🙄
@sarahwright4104
@sarahwright4104 2 жыл бұрын
He'd need his hat to stick his face in to transcribe them just ashe did the golden plates fromMoroni.
@bethrose4920
@bethrose4920 2 жыл бұрын
He would be soooo jealous.....lol
@johnc.8158
@johnc.8158 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't know that Joseph Smith buried a lot of stuff in Michigan ?? 😂😂
@whenaravencries
@whenaravencries 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that different "artifacts" have the same handwriting style. I'm gonna go start digging behind the barn. Who know what wonderful artifacts I make mm I mean "find" ...
@junglelane
@junglelane Жыл бұрын
I'm actually impressed by whoever made them. Not that they are amazing art but incredibly creative. And to them bury them all. Best PR for your craft lol....
@anissah161
@anissah161 Жыл бұрын
Are they hidden from the masses? Then they are allowed to be seen for a purpose. So, what's going on with all the giant skeletons being hidden?
@22nola
@22nola 2 жыл бұрын
So much sadness in these delusional people.
@angelamaryfussey3461
@angelamaryfussey3461 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Who would think to do that.
@mozquiff1155
@mozquiff1155 2 жыл бұрын
Well it worked for Joseph Smith....
@melissab8871
@melissab8871 2 жыл бұрын
@@mozquiff1155 exactly what I was going to say! I live in Salt Lake City and they eat this sh- up!
@Debbie_Bcool
@Debbie_Bcool Жыл бұрын
Since the daughter said she saw her father making them I would be a little skeptical.
@ronniepapepape1629
@ronniepapepape1629 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I could read them. I know ancient Hebrew letters. Still an enigma.
@danielritsch4328
@danielritsch4328 2 жыл бұрын
I find it really strange those look exactly like the artifacts that came out of Illinois . They aren't fakes
@charlesfyler3878
@charlesfyler3878 Жыл бұрын
Only those with a vested interest, either financial or religious, believe these are real.
@manbehindthebeard3213
@manbehindthebeard3213 2 жыл бұрын
There was also a Canaanite altar found at Jekyll Island in Georgia, where they used to sacrifice children. They also found recurved bows and also other artifacts from Egypt location there is well.
@manbehindthebeard3213
@manbehindthebeard3213 2 жыл бұрын
This particular tribe was also of great stature roughly around an average of 8 ft tall. And fairly light complected compared to other natives. The altar was also made out of stone.
@alexarviso6836
@alexarviso6836 2 жыл бұрын
The interesting thing about this is that the hebrews god is actually knows as yaldaboath and his dominion is the material plane. Jelyll island is that one place where the federal reserve was conceived. No coincidence they're trying to hide their wickedness for centuries.
@manbehindthebeard3213
@manbehindthebeard3213 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexarviso6836 I think even if the federal reserve was created with good intentions the fact it was created over that just brings on some bad juju.
@peraltarc
@peraltarc Жыл бұрын
@@manbehindthebeard3213 I concur that many terribly harmful decisions have been made with what seem to be good intentions.
@KristiContemplates
@KristiContemplates 2 жыл бұрын
Give the relics to the chemists, geochemists, and physicists. They're able to tell you when they were manufactured. Science
@dominikcernelic
@dominikcernelic 2 жыл бұрын
All these drawings look totally modern and nothing like any ancient drawings. Technique of how they draw faces and buildings is modern. If this is real, this would then be a completely new ancient style.. Doubt*
@joshuagoff7878
@joshuagoff7878 2 жыл бұрын
i thought the same , the faces is what gave it away
@baddie1shoe
@baddie1shoe Жыл бұрын
That elephant drawing looks so stupid
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