Scottie Pippen was an amazing two way player that helped MJ win six titles, and also helped to form one of the most intimidating defensive teams of all time. Scottie Pippen was not the sole reason why Jordan had a 1-9 playoff record by 1987 like many want you to believe, and today we look at what else contributed to that so you can get the full story. *Hit the bell next to my name if you want notifications on my vids* Business email: Theweightliftingcentral@Gmail.com Patreon: patreon.com/dom2k16 Facebook: facebook.com/dom2k16 Twitter: twitter.com/dom_2k Instagram: instagram.com/dom_2k Snapchat: Dom_2k

At the end of the day it's team effort MJ, Kobe and LeBron needed help to won

Averaged 45-5-5 for the series... LMFAO that's ridiculous. Jordan the goat fr fr

When one of the greatest calls you “god in disguise” in your 2nd year off a broken foot...enough said. What Jordan didnt do was lose games he was supposed to win. And Jean didn’t pick his teams each yr. He worked with what he had and made them better. Yes, when Grant left, they got Rodman. That’s about it. MJ didn’t even want Kukoc b4 he left for baseball.

Yo Jordan and Pippen defensively harassing Kukoc in the 92 Olympics is definitely one of my favorite Basketball stories. I'm glad you mentioned it.

The worst enemy of a narrative or agenda is context

Tbh the reason why people nitpick Jordans career and flaws is mainly because of his fans claiming his as an untouchable being.

Leflop couldn't even make playoff before Larry Hughes came

You forgot to mention how Lebron was out score by Jason terry lol 😂

the anti-korzemba?

For people arguing about the Jordan and LeBron GOAT argument, Jordan is called the GOAT because of his stats, but his impact on the game is incredible. He helped basketball and inspired many players and NBA stars today.

Thank you for this. The whole 1-9 playoff argument is weak

This is a old vid but this one alone made me subscribe!!! Keep it up!! Love the unbiased opinion and facts

I love how people act like when Pippen was drafted he was already SCOTTIE PIPPEN. He wasn't top 50 player of all times from the get go.Same with Phil Jackson. He was known only because he played with the Knicks in the beginning. But people love saying MJ needed best coach of all times and best defender evah to get out the first round. MJ wouldn't have won without them but they also wouldn't have go down as best in history if it wasn't for Jordan.

This video basically explained what I already knew but just in greater detail.

I Wish MJ never retired 2x! Imagine the stats🔥

so glad these types of videos are made

Can we all just halt with all the Lebron vs Jordan comparisons. Lebron still has 5+ years in the NBA to go, then we can compare, but for now let's just appreciate greatness

you think lebron fans don't know all of this? they do, the problem is they're in denial. they won't admit it. we're in the age of alternative facts and emotion driven stats. it's not what it is, it's what makes them feel better.

87 88 and 89 Pippen wasn't even a top 3 player on the team.. It was Grant and Hodges that were the next 2 best players... Jordan had to push Pippen to the player he ultimately became in the 90s... Vs the Bad Boy Pistons Scottie Pippen was literally the Bulls punching bag and got bullied and humiliated.. Jordan always had to defend him like an older brother.... Jordan made Pippen to the top 50 player and the HOF he is now

Excellent video.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO, It was needed. Another amazing video, god bless you Dom.

Lebron never made the playoffs the first 2 seasons why is this even a discussion.

Great analysis based on detailed facts. Thanks for the effort. :)

"how is people saying jordan never loss in the finals and Lebron is 3-5" a pass for Lebron

Yall do realize 1-9 record was his first two years in the league.. 22 years of age.. That also includes taking time off from a ankle injury...

No hate on Pip because I love Pip but he would not have been the player he became if he wasn’t Jordan teammates. Pip literally grew and practiced with Jordan in the late 80s. With his potential and learning from Jordan, he became on of the 50 greatest players imo

Outstanding video man!

Dom2k big fan, real good entertainment you pushing out, keep workin. Strive For Greatness

I wish you mentioned that being 1-9 in your first 3 years is still better than LeBron not making the playoffs AT ALL until 2007. People completely leave that out

Solid info 👌💪👍 Good arguments brother

They say Jordan never went up against a team like the warriors but he had some real tough competition

MJ in the playoffs before making it to the big show: vs nearly 60 wins Bucks....back to back elimination against the legendary Boston Celtics....three time losses to the Rough n tough Bad Boy Pistons. Are we to de-value those Classic teams greatness now to elevate Lebron?

Bronsexuals really try to hold being 1-9 without pippen against Jordan when it was only his first 3 seasons in the league, going up against the greatest celtics teams of all time dropping 63 points & being called GOD by lary bird lmfao

THANK YOU FOR THIS 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

You make great points bro 💯

The truth behind Lebron 7 finals in a row? The answer: James Jones

This video actually explains a lot, thanks

Jordan was teammates with Cokeheads early on thats why 😂

There was a lot of development by Jordan himself during those years. Mostly mental development. Once he realized he couldn't do it alone, he started trusting other players more. Became more of a leader. Yes, there is no doubt that Scottie would quickly develop into his partner, but you're right. It wasn't out of the gate and credit to Jackson too, who earned his trust and respect.

straight faxx somebody send this video to mike korzemba pleas

Dom2k the 🐐 for uploading this

very well explained, thank you

Love it when a dom2k video pops up.

And Pippen saying Lebron won championships without help is like dropping a vitamins from my mouth. He went over MJ and forgot how Lebron was helped by Wade, Bosh,Irving and Davis

Great video, I think you are right about how the media has been coming foR Jordan's legacy, but I think they have been coming for pippens legacy as well. It's ashame really! These guys were absolutely awesome and the sick and twisted thing about it is that some people use an assortment of these same arguments to try and discredit either one of these guys or both of these guys.

Good Info!

Lebron fans that talk about 1-9 also forget that Lebron didn’t even make the playoffs his first 2 years until they got Larry Hughes

Dom you should do the "55 wins without MJ" argument -MJ left a team that he just led to a 3-peat, 12 straight playoff series wins with -That team kept their core guys, stayed healthy, and even ADDED 2 key guys in Kukoc and Kerr -The bulls won 1 playoff series without MJ. From 12 straight to 1 even after added 2 key contributors -Even just looking at regular season, Bulls points differential was: +6.9 with MJ. +3.6 after MJ left AND they added those guys... So almost TWICE AS GOOD with MJ

Needed this

MJ is the GOAT. Greetings from Iquitos, Perú.

Back then teams like the Celtics had chemistry that takes years to develop. Jordan was finding his own. And after he started weight lifting, game over!

Remember that part where you said Lebron never lost in the first round. Well….in comes 2021.

Well said!

Great video nothin but facts

The bulls didn't draft Pippen. I believe the Supersonics did.

Jordan 1-9 without pippen Bron fans love to bring up “1-9 without pippen” that’s the first 10 playoff games jordan played in his first 3 years in the nba between 3 playoff series. Before we get into it Lebron First game in the nba: Oct 29,2003 and his first playoff game ever played in the NBA: April 22, 2006. At least jordan was playing in the playoffs since his rookie year not taking 2.5 yrs like bron. Jordan’s first 3 seasons * 1985 NBA Season - Bucks 59-23 * (Jordans rookie season) * Bulls loses to Milwaukee Bucks (3-1) * 1986 NBA Season - Celtics 67-15 * (1 of the greatest teams ever) * Bulls loses to Boston Celtics (3-0) * 1987 NBA Season - Celtics 59-23 * (1 of the greatest teams ever) * Bulls loses to Boston Celtics (3-0) Jordan avg. 35.5, 6.3, 6.9, 2.4 SPG, 1.9 BPG in those 10 post season games playing on a Chicago team known as the traveling cocaine circus before he was drafted because the players were a bunch of drug addict bums. Jordan had no one. They didn’t lose because of jordan and they didn’t lose they didn’t have pippen it was because he didn’t have anyone. They also fail to mention how jordan avg. 43.67 ppg against the Celtics in the 1986 playoff series against the Celtics which is the #1 highest playoff series ppg in the history of the NBA. As a 21 year old rookie he put up 29/6/9/3/1 going 1-3. As a 22 year old sophomore he put up 44/6/6/2/1 going 0-3. As a 23 year old third year player he put up 36/7/6/2/2/ going 0-3. Then Pippen was drafted and they still lost 4-1 to the Pistons in the second round. Lost the ECF next two years. It's not like Pippen came in and they suddenly won championships. There was growing that any young player and team has to go through. Pippen avg. 8-4-2 when he first joined the bulls

Wow nice video‼️

That 86 Celtics were considered the best of all time!!.... They Had Four Hofers and Danny Ainge

It is obvious to anyone who didn’t just go with the narrative that it was because his team wasn’t good. Pippen didn’t have much to do with MJ dismantling the Cavs in the first series they played together. I mean Pippen averaged 10.6 points and yeah that helps a little but come on now. MJ averaged 45.2 points on .559 shooting. He scored 105 combined points in the first 2 games out of the Bulls 210 points. He needed a few points to outscore all his teammates combined in game 4 but he shot 72 percent.

100% Facts. Well done

Well done!

Woe the ending.

I actually had the pleasure of seeing MJ and those 90's Bulls play in person on a couple occasions, and I've seen Lebron too. While Lebron is good, and I'm not knocking what he's accomplished, there was just something otherworldly about MJ when he got going that I have never seen in any other player. That is why MJ can't be challenged by Lebron in the GOAT debate in my eyes. People who never saw Michael just don't get it, and it's not easily explained.

Well said bro

You sir deserved more subscription

I think you got it the wrong way around. People aren't blaming MJ for not winning a playoff series before Pippen arrived, they are saying LeBron shouldn't be critisized for getting having to go to Miami to win a ring, because the Cavs just didn't put him in the position to win. The point they make is that not even MJ won a Chip before he had a good team put around him in 90-91 and didn't even win a playoff series before Pippen arrived, so why criticize LeBron for leaving Cavs, where he was never put into a position to win, which is also the reason people shouldn't criticize LeBron for losing in 2007 when even getting to the Finals that year was already incredible considering how trash that team was. Now I totally agree that LeBron with those cavs obviously never faced teams as great as Jordan did in his early years, but I think the way you put it, you got it wrong. People don't criticize MJ for not winning in those early years, they just think it's unfair criticizing LeBron for it, therefore pointing out that Jordan also couldn't do it.

I don’t even know why this is even a discussion tbh Lebron fans always bring up Jordan being 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie but then they seem to forget that lebron would only have 1 finals appearances and no championships without dwade, bosh, kyrie and love

THANK YOU!!! I've been saying virtually everything you said in this video(bad Bulls teams against great teams, no help for MJ, the hypocrisy of the way this argument is used, etc), but you broke it down so much better than I ever did. I also appreciate that you admit to not being a "Jordan is the GOAT" guy, but still find this argument pointless. Gives it even more credibility(although it'll likely get ignored by many of the hardcore LeBron fans and you'll just be labeled a hater). From the very bottom of my heart......THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO

I don’t see how an avg 7-10 points pippen helped Jordan win a playoff game.............

1-9 against 5 HOF player's. Bird McHale Dennis Johnson Robert Parrish Bill Walton And with Charles Oakley and Brad Sellers being his 2nd and 3rd best player's on the team. Of course you're not gonna beat a team as seasoned as the 80's Celtics with that around you. You needed what Magic and the Lakers had...Or those great Pistons team's. I don't care how amazing MJ was he wasn't beating 5 HOF player's at 22 and 23 yrs old with nothing around him...Hell 2 tha mufucka naw! That ain't happening!

At the end of the day LBJ has played on great teams and lost disgracefully. MJ, no. And this upload doesn't even go on to tell the rest. I love Pippen, but his first 3 years he was utter crap. Horace Grant was better than Scottie his first couple of seasons. And the reason the Bulls got past Detroit in 91' wasn't Pippen, it was BJ. And even the Bulls players on the team say it was really in 92' that Pippen started to blossom. I think I'll take the word of guys on the team over dumbass media (and there's too many outlets these days). Plus I have eyes and watched Pippen mess up in games for long before he got good. And why do you think he got good? Even Phil has said MJ helped Pippen develop his game. I don't think LBJ developed Kyrie's game. I don't think he developed Love's game. For young punks who didn't get to see MJ play, you don't know what greatness looks like... so I don't blame you for criticizing. If LBJ was great, you'd probably know what it looks like and criticize less.

About time someone speaks the truth well done 👍🏿

MJ mixtapes and records or non NBA plays before damn his the goat period. 👍😊☺️

My thing is this nobody mentions how in the 80s Larry had mchale Parish, DJ n Danny ainge Magic had Kareem Worthy Scott n Coop Isaiah had Rodman Dumars laimbeer Auguire etc yet Mike was supposed to play all that alone n WIN?? That literally makes no sense to criticize him for fans or the media

Pippen was a non factor in his first 2 seasons. boy avg 11 pt. in his first playoff series while MJ avg 45pts. the fact is this, every season that Pippen was actually a good payer and he and MJ played most of a season together, they won a title.'90-'91 -'96-'97 with MJ retiring and playing a partial season in between. and then MJ did an all time solo carry job to a title win in '98. meanwhile Lebron in '07 was the reason the cavs lost to the Sppurs because he couldn't shoot, avg only 22 pts (les than Tony Parker) and committed 23 turnovers in the series. nobody ever mentions how turnover prone Lebron is or how he can't even shoot an avg % if it's not a dunk or layup.

Absolute truth!!

Us here in Chicago know the Pippen effect didnt kick in for like 4 years

The only reason I at times discredit Jordan is because they make it seem as though he never lost and did everything himself. When LeBron carries a team and loses he gets criticized but when jordan can't get past the first round its not his fault. I'm not as bias as some LeBron fans but the argument is used to clarify that Jordan lost alot as well. But most fans are oblivious to that

This is y’all goat, going 1-9 in playoffs without help

Lebron has gotten swept AGAIN.

Great argument.

Eastern Conference during Jordan's day was the more competitive Conference, compared to the JOKE Eastern Conference of today.

The east was brutal in the 80s. Lebron gets to coast to the ECF and let's be honest the Finals year after year. The difference and I'll say the biggest difference that makes MJ the greatest is during the finals every year when he took the ball you just knew he was going to find a way to win. Watching the game live. Taking the shot himself or making the right pass you just knew it was going to happen. Can anybody honestly tell me you have that confidence in James?

Jordan needed help period. That doesn’t make him trash without it. LeBron needed help, so did Shaq, so did Kobe, so did Duncan, so did Kareem, so did Magic, so did Bill Russel, so did curry, so did KD. Need I go on?

The biggest joke is the idea that Lebron is a better playoff performer than Jordan. Or that Jordan couldn't perform in playoffs without so and so. His team may not have won but look at the numbers and Jordan is constantly the MVP of all playoff series he has played (bar 2 . . . Which he won) If you use the gamescore stat (overall effectiveness of a player) Jordan has been the best player in every single playoff series he has played except 2 where he was the 2nd beat player. 96 round 1 pippen 22.7, Jordan 22.3 96 Finals Kemp 18.9, Jordan 18.5 Jordan won both series and was only 0.4 behind the best player. He has played in 37 series so 5.4% of the time Jordan wont be the best player in the playoff series . . . But a very close 2nd. And he has never lost a series and not been the MVP for that series. Lebron has 10 times not been the best player in a series he has played in. 06 R1 2nd G Arenas 24.7 L James 23.6 07 Finals 4th! (Lost) T parker 16.2, T Duncan 15.3, M Ginobili 11.6, L James 10.6 08 R3 2nd (Lost) Garnett 17.6, L James 17.5 11 R2 2nd D Wade 23.8, L James 17.5 11 Finals 3rd! (Lost) D Wade 23.8, Dirk 16.6, L James 13.7 16 R1 2nd K Irving 19.7, L James 18.3 17 Finals 2nd (Lost) K Durrant 30.3, L James 29.6 20 R1 2nd A Davis 27.7, L James 25.6 20 R2 2nd J Harden 23.4, L James 22.9 20 R3 2nd A Davis 24.4, L James 24.1 So James has played in 49 playoff series and in 10 of them he hasnt been the best player so there is a 20.4% chance James wont be the best player compared to Jordans 5.4% . . . Lebron has not been the best player 4 times in a series he has not won (Jordan has never done this) Lebron has finished 3rd or worse twice! Both in finals and both he lost! Jordan has never finished worse than 2nd and both times was juat behind 1st. Dont ever argue that L James is a better playoff performer than Jordan. Because its just pure plain wrong.

So what? He stayed paid his dues and became champ for 6 straight years when active. Lebum lost to celtics and bounced to collude with all stars.

that ending tho LMFAO

Well done... Amen!

Yo Dom2k...what is the title of the song you mixed in @the end of this video and who is the artist?

it's not a such things as the greatest players of all time we just need to appreciate greatness different rules and game play are different in both errands a proving point to we just need to appreciate greatness

Scott Pipen is what he needed. Lebron needs everybody lol.

Love the yugioh references! 😂

Once Pippen became a legit All-star they never lost a playoff series again where MJ was on the team the whole year. Pippen did make an all-star team in 89 but he hadn't reached his prime yet. He only Averaged 16PPG and had a 16 PER that season. He still had the "migraine" game in the playoffs in 89-90. He had finally played really well in those playoffs until the ECF vs Detroit. And in game 7 Pippen went 1-10 shooting and they lost. The next season in 90-91 Pippen didn't make the all-star team but his PER jumped to over 20 and he averaged 17.8 PPG, VORP was 5.9. He made 2nd All-Defensive for the first time and his defense was elite in the playoffs to win their first ring. He really became HIM in the 91-92 season during their 2nd title run. That year he made his first All-NBA team (2nd tm) and his first 1st Team All-Defensive .

It's too bad you didn't get to see him in his prime. I'm not a basketball fan but boy did I love watching him run that court. I myself only saw him whenever he played the Boston Celtics or when it was playoff time and he was something to behold. It was like watching poetry in motion. There was always a moment when you said dam MJ is gunna take over and bury whom ever he was playing.

EVERY single LeBron fanboy needs to see this

Period .. Facts!!

Thank you. I was around to see that era. Jordan had teammates that wouldn't even pass him the ball his rookie year. And he had teammates that were doing drugs in the locker room and played while high on those drugs. Plus the Pistons were even tougher than the Celtics to beat

Lebron fans criticize Jordan for losing in the first round of the playoffs his first few seasons. But did they really expect a young MJ to beat a stacked Celtics team, when MJ's best teammate was Orlando Woolridge??? Also they conveniently forget that Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his first two years (which is worse than getting bounced in the first round).

Never biased, always lay out all the facts, and most importantly of all, keep it real! No one breaks down these illogical and completely ignorant arguments like you. Keep up the great work Dom2k! MJ will always be 🐐