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Not exactly, more like mark the beginning of the 4th war. Because of the fact the rebellion would have left konoha in no state to fight off any of the other great nations in direct combat and expect to keep all of its resources and territory.

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False if the uchiha had started a rebellion taken over konaha Obito would've recruited Orichimaru back at some point & either brought rin back or would've been killed himself due to his obsession. No Obito, no 4th great war.

@@kingoffans899 that's what declare means in that context

Agreed, Fugaku said as much during an Uchiha meeting

They literally said we want a bloodless coup which makes me think they will put herizen order something like kotoamasukame or izanagi and just have him step down they would do the same or just kill danzo probably

They still prolly die in most cases bc the konoha leadership knows ab the coup. (At least if it’s in current timeline)

I was gonna comment what you said. I think if the scenario played out like NCHammer said then the other clans most likely wouldn't have challenged the Uchiha, especially if things went smoothly and the 9 tails was causing chaos

Not to mention the fact that they could’ve just gotten Shishui to use koto amatsukame on Hiruzen to get him to step down and name Fugaku as his successor. It’s possible they would need to assassinate Danzo first but it’s also possible that the daimyo of the land of fire would be willing to trust Hiruzen to choose the right man for the job which would result in a bloodless coup

His grandmother is not canon I think, It's anime only. He was meant to be the Naruto that lost hope.

@@Dk-ie4te oh

That's why he always stops to help grannies with their grocery bags 🛍

@@rexeno brother

Nobody cares

Not really. If an an entire Nation attacked the Leaf after Kurama's rampage, then the Uchiha would be given more trust to wipe out the Leaf's enemies. The Uchiha would be pissed that they were not given more defensive duties during the Kurama attack so during this surprise war the Leaf would be forced to use the Uchiha as they are some of their strongest weapons. The bond with the Leaf elders and the Uchiha clan becomes stronger due to the Uchiha proving their loyalty for the Leaf during this crisis. They were unable during the Kurama attack but the war will cause the Leaf to be even more desperate otherwise they will face total destruction. The entirety of every Leaf village clan would work together (the Hyuga, Uchiha, InoShikaCho, Aburame, Inuzuka) plus the Anbu and the root working to defend the Leaf. Hiruzen would be focusing more on defense, meanwhile Danzo being evil would finally be a good thing as he would absolutely want to not just obliterate the attackers but to absorb them into the Leaf and to steal their resources and weapons. Also, Jiraiya would be there for this war (unless it's a well planned sneak attack like what the Sand did, but that is unlikely because no one knew Obito would cause a rampage plus other villages will definitely spy on the Leaf to gather info on just how weak they are and then they would use this info to assess whether an invasion is worth it or not, remember the Leaf is the strongest and most rich village). Perhaps, the Leaf may be able to cut a deal with another village to help out as backup or perhaps other villages don't intervene. This worse possible case scenario is the Leaf fighting every other Nation at the same time but I doubt that the other Nations would be able to cooperate together in time to attack. After Kurama attacked, the Leaf was on high alert and would have had their spies check every village for any signs of a potential attack. The Leaf are not stupid. They know that brief moments of weakness equals a greater advantage for their enemies to invade and win so they will spy, cheat and viciously fight their way back to the top.

Konoha still would’ve won lol Hiruzen was still consiythe strongest Kage and the entire Uchiha clan was there. They wouldn’t have been made to sit back while a whole village attacked Konoha

@@dejones803 the uchihas probably dont help them. Simply because they weren’t allowed to help against kurama. Why would they risk themselves for a country that rejects them? But the other countries still probably loose, unless they join forces then that’s something else

I'm more curious about why nobody invaded the Sand after Konoha Crush. Their kage was killed along with a good chunk of their Shinobi, plus their jinchuuriki was taken out of commission. Maybe because the sand held no agricultural value, who knows.

I'm more curious about why nobody invaded the Sand after Konoha Crush. Their kage was killed along with a good chunk of their Shinobi, plus their jinchuuriki was taken out of commission. Maybe because the sand held no agricultural value, who knows.

Where was Jirariya during the chunin exams and Crush leaf mission

​@@chriscollins3225 dude we literally saw him fight against the orouchmaru's snakes in konoha crush arc

Your forgetting the Uchihas fire would burn the Aburames bugs, so I think the Nara clan would of been the most trouble if you don’t count Jiraya

@@kngnate2654 considering all these clans would jump ontop of the Uchias and overwhelm them with posion, showdow possession, gentle fist, expansion jutsus, and dogs the Uchia really had no way of ever winning. The best they could hope for is killing the Leaf villages leaders and disabilazing it but the Uchia would all be dead for that.

Sukiomi, lol.🤣

@@thegreatahgou6100 yeah… my mind went to, well, not Tsukuyomi… but something else… but hey… that’s not the only thing they got wrong. Maybe they stuck in that SukiOhMay??? 🤣

The bugs dont have to be outside the user to distrupt genjutsu

Didn't Mikoto try to adopt Naruto but Danzo opposed? I think it was mentioned in Itachi's novel but I'm not sure

@@SusieBlup wait, that really happen ?

@@tribopower yeah Mikoto was friends with Kushina

@@tribopower In the light novel, yes, if you consider it canon

@@jacksonaaron103084 I wonder if Kushina and Mikoto ever had lesbian sex

Basically. Because they are extremely outnumbered. Just they Hyuga clan or the Aburame clan can hold thier own against the Uhiha considering they have done it beofre during the waring states period. You combine the Hyuga and Aburame with all the other clans in the village and the Uchia would be wiped out faster than What Obito and Itachi did.

@@Hater20X hell naw stop the cap

​@@chriscollins3225 they likely could through most uchiha would fall to a middle shinobi using shadow para without looking into their eyes like... Sure the uchiha were dominant in the waring states but the uchiha to break from mind techs or shadow para would have to blind one of their eyes or out number which they could not do.

Its mangekyou

@@dragonitekai746 His penis should not be that far down your throat 😂

I agree and multiple uchiha could awaken ms frm the same deaths so it wouldn’t take long for majority of uchiha to awaken it

Wait I thought getting an ms has to do with you playing a part in the death rather than just watching them die, I think a lot of sharingan users would have awakened, yes, but I don't think an outrageous amount of ms users would be made too

@@dedrik1461 Nah its strictly the extreme emotion of them dying. The reason itachi had to kill shisui is cause itachi wouldnt have felt as much pain if he just lost shisui in battle, he had to physically kill him and essentially hate himself for doing it.

😂

Shisui: My time to shine. (Kurama suddenly believing he has always loved the Uchiha and is fighting to protect them from the evil Konoha)

@@TheLastSane1 Actually, that would’ve been super cool!

Yea cuz they're written to gain power through trauma they're the only.clan with that ability to gain potent power through trauma.

I originally wasn’t a big fan of how they handled the Madhara(sp?) & Obito relationship and plot Because I thought it was a huge stretch that Madhara would just so happen to choose an unremarkable Uchiha child to recruit for his plan . . .& luckily for him Obito just happened to turn out to be one of the most powerful Uchiha members But then I realized Madhara wouldn’t really need to know which Uchiha kids would turn out to be powerful, or what powers they would develop . . . Because, Uchiha’s develop power from suffering emotional pain. So Madhara could pick any random Uchiha kid, & as long as he makes sure to subject the kid to immense suffering and heartbreak . . .he knows which ever Uchiha kid he picks can become incredibly powerful, as long as he set the kid up to experience heartbreak and suffering over & over again

we all assume that a strong Uchiwa have a Mangekyou, but he doesn't have to, clan leader in his mid forty i guess, he must have a lot of experience and maybe he's just very strong in taijutsu with a base sharingan to make it even better, knows a lot of jutsu because he can learn them easilly like Kakashi

Yeah, there is that... when they see their own homies dying in front of them, even the weakest chunin/jounin would low-key be anbu+ with a ms

Yea right so it wud have had to been a massacre like it was cuz the longer it wage the more it favor Uchiha even if it dropped to like 4 Uchiha at that point that wud all b Madara level crazy lol

@@damonlaw8218 Madara was special, I doubt they would gain so much power

Totally agree! Remember the time when obito who is just an average ninja awakened the sharingan, it gave him a significant power boost. What more if normie uchiha foot soldiers with basic sharingans awakened MS? It would sway the tides on their side.

It took Itachi and Sasuke time to master and refined their abiltiies thus any who do get mangekyou sharingan are going to be useless.

Sarada,himawari

They would have one sharingan and one byakugan, meaning that they could snipe people with genjutsu from miles away

@@furiousfusion7890 But they'd never be able to awaken a Mangekyo Sharingan, so _there's_ the downside. If you can call it a downside, that is, since the payoff for even _getting_ a set of MS is basically to give yourself PTSD... not worth.

@@anthonylamonica8301 they would be able to. It would just be in one eye so they wouldnt have the susanoo. Still though, any mongekyo ability would be amazing with the byakugan (ex: amaterasu snipes, tsukyomi snipes, ect)

If the child is lucky then they would get one Sharingan and one Byakugan. They would have the strengths of both bloodlines. However, it is possible that the child only awakens just the Sharingan or just the Byakugan. Boruto is half Hyuga and half (Namikaze, Uzumaki, Senju). He was unlucky in that the genetic lottery did not bless him with a Byakugan due to the half of him he gets from Naruto does not have the Byakugan. Him getting a Jougan is different because Naruto and Hinata make an Otsutsuki child (minus the Uchiha DNA). Sarada is lucky because she actually was blessed with the Sharingan considering she is only half Uchiha. Sasuke is a full Uchiha and Sakura is only Uchiha by name and not DNA. The Uchihas of the past had far more stronger Sharingan potency due to not having their bloodline diluted too much. For example, Indra awakened a fully evolved Sharingan instantly and when he acquired his mangekyo he instantly got a complete perfect Susanoo with wings. Meanwhile, the Uchiha born after Indra had to slowly evolve their Sharingan and slowly grow out their Susanoo (that's if they were lucky enough to gain one) by furthering their psychological trauma so that their brain produces and releases more of the special chakra into their eyes that further evolves the Sharingan.

same

it was unexpected plus itachi and sasuke's dad wasn't fighting he acctepted his fate and shisui was dead at that time

I mean if 2 people went up against a well trained spartan army of hundreds, but those 2 people were modern-day soldiers with access to modern tools of war, who are you placing your bets on?

They where not expecting the attack and the two were very swift and efficient. Itachi is incredibly skilled one of the top members of the clan and he assassinated most before they where aware of what was going on or WHO the threat was. There were probably several of their jounin who were ready for a fight but didn't see Itachi as a threat till he cut them down. Its one of the benefits of using one of their own to attack them, its completely unexpected and they will be seen as an ally until they strike.

@@patriktragor7336 unexpected makes them sound worse. You are a ninja clan who form the police for your village and you are caught off guard? That speaks volumes to how terrible they were.

@@isidoromorale5949 I guess then that 2nd raikage and tobirama were bad too since they got assassinated

A Konoha Crush with Uchihas instead of the Sound Village...

I don’t think no one would see it coming. Itachi was their mole but without him they still don’t trust the Uchiha. They would still be spying on them. I don’t think any of the clans would side with the Uchiha. Specially against what would seem like a very uphill battle.

Tbf giving the Uchiha’s Obito who wasn’t living in the village is a game-end right there.. no one in the leaf (maybe except hiruzen) is even remotely close to Obito and has a counter play against kamui.. there are many arguments pitching yellow mask Obito (without Kurama) against the Shanin and Obito still wins.. remeber Naruto defeats Pain Minato thinks the yellow mask Obito and he says to Naruto “yep sage mode not enough you need 9-tails chakra powers” and sage mode Naruto is far stronger than everyone in the leaf (maybe again except this younger version of Hiruzen).. only Obito should be enough LOL.. and on top of that you are giving freaking Itachi and 2 other MS user where Kotoamatsukami (not sure about spelling ) is an option? The leaf stands 0 chance..

@@mariosplaysszz6261 Obito at that point in his career should have been garbage (he wasn't, but the logic of him making a jump from scrub/ no skill to near-4th Hokage level is absurd). Even with that, 4th beat him. You are referencing Obito vs Pain which is essentially 2 decades later. It isn't the same league. Itachi wouldn't have MS. Fugaku lost to Itachi (though with MS). Shishui has 2 uses of his MS per decade, and the Hyuuga could disrupt it, IIRC. Again, if it was THAT easy, the Uchiha would not have been outcasts to begin with. Further, Madara would have stomped the village after Hashi died.

@@cameronno6039 some misconceptions… let me debunk these: yes the 4th beat him, but he is on a completely different level than anything the leaf village has right now.. in his video he is giving Itachi the MS.. and also in the Pain fight Minato only knows yellow mask Obito from their encounter back then.. so what he says to Naruto applies to yellow mask Obito.. Fukagu never lost to Itachi he didn’t even fight him.. he didn’t want to have a bloodlust battle against his son The Madara thing I think is just inconsistent writing.. and irrelevant to this discussion topic.. Yes the Uchiha were outcasts this has nothing to do with their power though.. they also never had MS Shisui with MS Itachi and Obito together.. Shisui was a spy for Danzo.. In the OG timeline Obito isn’t there, Itachi doesn’t have MS and Shisui is a spy for Danzo.. Giving Obito to the Uchiha’s is a big boost and an overkill for the leaf.. his scenario is more of a what if scenario.. what if these 4 Uchiha worked together.. I would advise you to watch some powerscaling videos by swawkage and Seth the programmer they really dive deep into yellow mask Obito’s power.. he is at the top of the verse already (currently living individuals only of course not all time lol) and on this fight you have MS Itachi on top of that.. along with MS Shisui and Fukagu.. yeah leaf loses this one lol.. There is also a great video by Six of how Itachi beats the 3rd Hokage so yeah the leaf gets stomped here..

Obito's character is trash. It was just written for Hax as opposed to Madaras which always made sense (how beast Madara was should not have been real, but each step made sense with how the story was told). Itachi fighting Hiruzen would have been fun to see. With the original story dynamic, I do not know who wins.

Wrong itachi only killed the women and children, obito handled the men and more powerful ones

Sasuke can use amaterasu because he has itachis eyes 👀

@@liampetruch6693 My guy he awakened Amaterasu before the transplant 💀

Anyone who felt wronged by the village or were open to listening ot the Uchiha. After all they where in the right, they where being abused and mistreated through no fault of their own. They where kicked out of their ancestral homes to be housed in a compound for the village to be better to control and attack at will. They where forced into a job none of them wanted because they were Uchiha. Really most clans would side with them because if it can happen to a co-founder clan of Konoha what chance in hell do these random clans who joined later have? How long before the Yamakana know to much through their spying jutsu. How long before the Aburame use up their usefulness. How long before the Hyuga get to pompous for their own good? If the Uchiha (one of the two founding clans) can be cast out and painted as the villains, any clan can be.

@@TheLastSane1 That’s a good point if the Uchiha where to implant the idea that The other clans have the potential to be segregated and be made a miss treated minority with just rumors there will definitely be at least one or two clan that would join the strongest/ founding clan in konoha. Plus, with Danzo’s long list of atrocious actions being unpunished, and the head of root kidnapping some of the most promising clan members for his Organization the Uchiha would have plenty of material to use for their recruitment plan. On top of this they could use the 3ed hokage’s Bad reputation from the third war, him letting Danzo do whatever he wants, and the recent Orochimaru situation to paint the old man as someone who needs to step down as hokage. The one problem is the 3ed hokage is extremely well liked by the majority of the people, the Uchiha’s reputation meanwhile is it All Time Low, and the if they’re not careful odds are they will lose the element of surprise by recruiting a decent number of clans.

This is true but at this point the Akatsuki were extremely low key. No one knew about them. It wasnt until 6 years later that people like Jirya started to notice thier existence.

@@Hater20X Orochimaru had already joined the Akatsuki by this point in the story, and Jiraiya was following Orochimaru. He knew about the Akatsuki. However, you are correct in saying most people didn't. You know who WOULD, though?? Fugaku. The leader of one of the strongest clans in the world, and the head of the coup.

Jiraya definitely can’t handle this version of Obito. Naruto beats pain with sage mode and Minato says that sage mode isn’t enough to go against yellow mask Obito. Naruto needs 9-tails chakra. By giving Obito to the uchihas it’s just an overkill for the leaf

And?

@@TheLastSane1 what do you mean and? He is literally summing a kage to help him fight any opponent. How is that not a major help in any battle you get into? Hell look at how helpful kakashi’s dog are in a fight

@@t-god2439 And you know none of the Uchiha have a summon because? Lets face it the writer wrote about the clan being killed off before he ever started filling in their characteristics or powers. The thing is he made the Sharingan so fucking strong in the hands of his secondary protag that a clan full of these people would be insanely hard to beat.

madara and hashirama are dead by this point and reincarnation isn't all that strong by this point in the story

Did you watch the video my guy? 😅 This is during the Uchiha massacre time. They’re dead.

@@Williamjacob7789 Did he not resurrect the whole clan for the sake of the video? Cuz if memory serves sasukes family has been dead since the beginning and we only know about them due to flash back episodes so what’s the difference between resurrecting a clan that has almost no screen time outside of story’s and reviving 2 of the most legendary ninjas from this clan and it’s rival clan.

@@alexproctor524 he didn’t resurrect anyone. 😭 This takes place during the time when they were still alive. The video is what if they went forward with the COUP.

@@Williamjacob7789 yes he did lol we’ve literally never seen any canon uchiha outside of the main 5 other than that the clan as a whole has been dead since the show started we only know about the coup and the clan leader from flashback episodes

It would kill 90% of the Uchihas, probably not worth it Remember it's a 1/10 chance to survive

@@Edited_Comment Plus, in this timeline he hasn't even perfected it yet thereby decreasing the odds they survive it.

@@Edited_Comment Good point.

Lol have you ever watched Naruto it’s writing as it goes sometimes

@@larryfoster8820 yeah Ik. They always portrayed Minato as the strongest Kage during that time too and that clearly isn’t true compared to Hashirama

That rule hadn't been thought up yet at the time that chapter was written. But we could potentially explain it away as neither Hiruzen or Orochimaru knowing about that particular weakness yet since the latter hadn't mastered Edo Tensei at the time, and neither Hiruzen _or_ Tobirama would've likely even _tried_ to resurrect a sealed-away opponent.

@Larry Foster bro its frustrating when watching a series and you see stuff like that. I mean damn go back and look at your old stuff for reference just so you aren't contradicting yourself

Kishimoto made a lot of things up along the way that doesn't make sense in retrospect, but considering how big the Naruto universe and the story is, some plotholes are inevitable. This is one of them, we just have to accept it.

@ItsInstant You gotta take Strategy into consideration, who said the move that starts the Coup isnt first killing Hiruzen? Have the Uchiha in the Anbu strike him all at once, he was caught be surprised by Orochimaruenwith a kunai to the neck in the Chuning exams, srill wondering to this day why he held it to his throat when he could have easily killed him there.

You gotta remember the way Konoha makes money is by shipping their squads to the rest of the country of Fire and beyond. So depending on how many missions are currently out AWAY from Konoha plus keeping enough forces behind to protect the village from threats AND police the populace; Uchiha police force is dead, it is plausible thay there may not be any ppl to spare.