The Ultimate AMD K6-2+ - with 3 MODS

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Bits und Bolts

Bits und Bolts

Күн бұрын

The Ultimate K6-2 has 3 mods! You can enable an additional 128 KB of level 2 cache, you can disable the level 2 cache completely, and there is an internal thermal diode to measure the temperature under the aluminum lid of this CPU.
I am using and Arduino and a .NET Windows application to read the temperature. There are many Arduino tutorials regarding temperature measurements online, but I will share the source code of the .NET application below.
.NET Source Code: github.com/BitsUndBolts/Ardui...
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0:00 Intro
0:10 Cut Adhesive
1:02 Delid
2:04 Explain the Mods
3:15 Modded K6-2+
4:24 Reassemble
6:12 K6-2+
7:22 K6-2
8:00 K6-III+
8:22 Temperature Sensor
9:26 Conclusion

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@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao
@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao Жыл бұрын
As of mid-2006 I was still using my old K6-2, and had done almost exactly that. I had made the 256kb mod, and soldered the wires for on/off, to a relay with the resistor, and the other end of the relay, went to the turbo button of the case. When the turbo button was pressed (light on) I had L2 cache enabled. It was an amazing pc full of other mods
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware that the knowledge of this mod is this old. I thought this just came to light recently. Did you try pressing the turbo button while your PC was on? And if so, what happened?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I thought the pencil trick came with the socket A CPUs. Slot A had something called "Goldfinger". I was made aware for the K6-2+ mod from Twitter and Vogons forum just at the beginning of 2022.
@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao
@RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts The machine will hang/freeze when pressing the button with it on. The K6+ mod appeared in mid-2003 (at least for me that's when I found it on a website)
@tinto278
@tinto278 Жыл бұрын
I wasted my money upgrading my Pentium 166mmx to a AMD K6-2 400. My frame rates went down in quake and half life. Worst cpu upgrade ever.
@NamesGolden
@NamesGolden Жыл бұрын
@@tinto278 I'm sorry but something had to be wrong/misconfigured. I went from a p200 to a cyrex 300 and yes that was slower, but then to a k6-2 400 (usually ran at 450) with SDR memory and that was a big upgrade. next I had a duron 600 @ 1050mhz. that rig lasted for much longer than it should have.
@dav1dbone
@dav1dbone Жыл бұрын
Imagine knowing this back when these were first available, who would have the guts to attempt it though?
@Jabe_VeX
@Jabe_VeX Жыл бұрын
AMD had a reputation of leaving little things disabled that people could reactivate iirc, even up to early Ryzen CPUs, if you had the right bios or right know-how you could active more cache, overclock higher than thought, even sometimes activate inactive cores
@sehabel
@sehabel Жыл бұрын
@@Jabe_VeX I activated the 4th core of my triple core Athlon II X3 455 and it's been working fine as a quad core for many years now. I use it in my media pc for youtube and streaming services.
@Jabe_VeX
@Jabe_VeX Жыл бұрын
@@sehabel lmao ikr, early AMD was a god if you wanted cheap stuff that you could upgrade later if you were brave
@ScavengerFX
@ScavengerFX Жыл бұрын
@@sehabel I did the same thing, but the 4th core wasn't stable.
@JoshuaZangari
@JoshuaZangari Жыл бұрын
I pin modded Athlon XP's, these were fairly easy by comparison. Incidentally, it was also how I learned you can solder a pin back on, and so long as you don't breath wrong it works.
@angieandretti
@angieandretti Жыл бұрын
Neat! You can also disable the L2 cache on-the-fly with the software-based SetMul utility, in addition to changing the CPU's clock multiplier for running older speed-sensitive software.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I have not used SetMul yet. Good to know that this utility can disable the L2 Cache. I wonder if there is a difference in performance between hardware and software.
@angieandretti
@angieandretti Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts I would guess that there's not, but you're probably the only person in the world who's done this to a K6-2+ CPU so you'll need to check and find out 🙂
@fattymcboomboom9254
@fattymcboomboom9254 Жыл бұрын
Setmul is I think deprecated. It was replaced by CpuSpd, which consolidates the functions of the following tools: - SETMUL - THROTTLE.EXE - MSR Editor - Cache CTL
@angieandretti
@angieandretti Жыл бұрын
@@fattymcboomboom9254 I'll test that out later when I'm home. I notice the "support matrix" sheet for CpuSpd lists a range of 3x-6x for the K6-2+ multiplier but I'm able to set as low as 2x with SetMul. I'll post back on how CpuSpd actually behaves.
@angieandretti
@angieandretti Жыл бұрын
@@fattymcboomboom9254 I tested CpuSpd and it CAN handle the same range of multipliers accessible via SetMul (2x-6x on my board) despite the printed documentation. In fact the only functionality I noticed that didn't work right on my Asus P5A board w/ K6-2+ is the CPU temperature reporting function, which reports garbage values.
@greggv8
@greggv8 Жыл бұрын
Here's a tip for fixing bent CPU pins without danger of snapping them off. First look at light reflecting off the ends of the pins. When you see a dark one while most of them are reflecting, the dark ones are bent. Second step, find a syringe needle that will just fit between the rows of pins. Slide it in so bent pin(s) are leaning over the needle then lift the needle up and out of from between the rows. That will gently nudge the pins towards straight. It can take several times to get pins straight enough to go into a socket. For badly bent pins, find a syringe needle that will fit over a pin. Clip the point off and use a sharp knife point to deburr the hole. The needle provides leverage and fine control to carefully straighten the pin right at the point where it's bent. Just straighten enough to be able to slide a needle between the rows. I did this with a lot of socketed CPUs, AMD and Intel. A video on it could get you a lot of views.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! I use an old syringe needle from ink refill sets that were popular back then. Used to refill my HP cartridges. They came with syringes that weren't sharp. And you're absolutely right, it makes the process of straightening pins a lot easier. Guess I should buy a box of "scrap" CPUs and attempt to fix them 😂
@fred290e
@fred290e Жыл бұрын
I had the K6-3 which was one of my favorite processors of all time.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I like the Socket 7 platform a lot and AMD really pushed it further than it should have gone. It it was going according to Intel's plan, the platform would have died with the release of the Pentium MMX 233.
@foxyloon
@foxyloon Жыл бұрын
A surprisingly clean setup with the jumpers! The on-die thermocouple is a nice touch, too.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Thanks! The jumpers are quite fragile though.
@norliasmith
@norliasmith Жыл бұрын
I also like the use of a high grade thermal paste that will last for years so that it doesn't need to be delidded and risk damage to the copper tape.
@marcelocorpucci7707
@marcelocorpucci7707 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how, as the time goes by, we still find new stuff about the processors we saw (and enjoyed) during our childhood! Great work My friend! Cheers from Argentina!
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree! Thanks for watching!
@CPUGalaxy
@CPUGalaxy Жыл бұрын
Love your project and how you solved this with copper tape. Great work and super documented. Definitely worth to subscribe. 😊👍🏻
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Hello CPU Galaxy! What an honor to see you around here. Thanks for watching and subscribing!
@AG-pm3tc
@AG-pm3tc Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome seeing you both at the same place
@ComputerProfessor
@ComputerProfessor Жыл бұрын
Hi CPU Galaxy, I was the winner of your CPU competition a few years back. I'm not sure if you're getting my emails but if you can please respond to me that'll be great
@glenwaldrop8166
@glenwaldrop8166 Жыл бұрын
I miss super socket 7. You could run a 2nd or 3rd gen Pentium all the way to a K6-III+ at 600MHz. I counted it up one time, something like 17 different CPU types fit that socket, I think 14 different architectures. It was crazy, you could literally test *all of the CPUs* on the same motherboard, just power down, swap the chip and give it hell. Fun times.
@robwebnoid5763
@robwebnoid5763 Жыл бұрын
I still have & use Socket 7 mobos & I think only one SS7, a DFI board. Just like you, I had my SS7 configured to 600mhz III+ with just fan-heatsink. Back around Y2k, I had wanted to cool it down further with a TEC (thermoelectric cooling). I bought the TEC cpu heatsinks & the adhesives & read up on condensation factors. But after thinking it over, it was just too risky. These days, water/liquid block cooling is much safer than TEC.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
​@@robwebnoid5763Why would liquid cooling be safer than a solid state Peltier element?
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 10 ай бұрын
The universal socket also provided freedom and competition when buying and building single machines . The same MB could be configured with any CPU on the market . Not having to choose from a limited number like when I recently found only one 9th gen Intel CPU on the market and it required hunting down a cheap AMD GPU to boot at all .
@FritzchensFritz
@FritzchensFritz Жыл бұрын
Wow! The idea with the jumpers is super cool, well done!
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@josefalero9850
@josefalero9850 Жыл бұрын
Just popped up on my recommendations. Great video man!
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@Choralone422
@Choralone422 Жыл бұрын
That is an awesome mod! Well done!
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@EuropressMusic
@EuropressMusic Жыл бұрын
really enjoyed the video, interesting topic. Maybe a longer music loop would be nice when played for longer passages through the video :)
@garyr7027
@garyr7027 Жыл бұрын
K6 was my first build on windows 95, then on 98. From there I went with the K7, no need to remove the lid, the die was already exposed. However, if it wasn't, I sure wouldn't have used a double sided razor blade... Lol. You sure were risking it with that blade, no way would you catch me doing that. Those things are super freakin sharp, one good slip up and it's down to the bone real easy... geez 😭
@gester236
@gester236 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, Information might be irrelevant these days but, Yeah!!! if you can do this back in the day you are a genius!!! A very great hardware hack!!! thanks for bringing it back. Feels nostalgic.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Not many would have attempted this hack, just what I think. I think risk vs reward back in the day was not worth it. And yes, we're all here because of nostalgia - very little use these days. Welcome to entertainment 😜
@morejiggawatts4992
@morejiggawatts4992 4 ай бұрын
Very nice :-) Cpu identification utilities need to include that new CPU ID now I have been mentioning it on vogons to a few over the authors
@honshitsu
@honshitsu Жыл бұрын
Still have my K6-2 550mhz rig up and running, great machine for dos and early win95/98 direct3d games
@raycert07
@raycert07 Жыл бұрын
I love hacky stuff like this. Physical mods that allow you to do things you never thought possible.
@LaurentiusTriarius
@LaurentiusTriarius Жыл бұрын
Nice job! When I was working at a recycling center I scrapped so much K6 variants that it's weird seeing someone handling one like a precious artifact.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
You must have seen a lot of interesting pieces of hardware. Now people - including me - spend good money to get those parts from ebay or local classified sites.
@LaurentiusTriarius
@LaurentiusTriarius Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts I kept some parts for years but since the retro gaming craze I mostly sold everything "good" I have lots of stuff advertised for free like all flavors of Riva TNT 2's, Soundblaster 48xx and low density RAM from 133mhz to DDR3... I now part time run a little repair shop in my basement, I mostly do data recovery, upgrades and fix diy screw ups I don't have access to all the stuff I used to sadly, nowadays there's fortune to be made recycling. Back in the early 2010's we scavenged components out of some pretty amazing stuff... 😬
@christopherjackson2157
@christopherjackson2157 Жыл бұрын
Excellent :)
@spladam3845
@spladam3845 Жыл бұрын
Great content, thanks, fantastic mod, really interesting stuff, subbed. Mike from vswitchzero sent me here btw, glad he did.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@TheHardcoreLegends
@TheHardcoreLegends Жыл бұрын
Very good video. 👍👍👍👍
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@GabrielZ666
@GabrielZ666 Жыл бұрын
This is amazing! I will try it for sure if I can grab that sweet pack from eBay!
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
There seems to be quite a lot of supply left. If I am not mistaken, the seller sells batches of 3.
@GabrielZ666
@GabrielZ666 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts yup that's right! The thing is that I live in Argentina, international shipments are always a pita. I'll use a dedicated service, it won't be cheap, but better safe than sorry xD!
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Good luck! Hope you'll get them safe and sound!
@fattymcboomboom9254
@fattymcboomboom9254 Жыл бұрын
Which sweet pack?
@fattymcboomboom9254
@fattymcboomboom9254 Жыл бұрын
oh ok that one.
@Retro_Hacker
@Retro_Hacker Жыл бұрын
awesome job
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ccanaves
@ccanaves Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@Tubby.1
@Tubby.1 Ай бұрын
Sehr schöner Mod ich hatte mit damals den K6-3+ 550 gekauft
@Shaner9er
@Shaner9er Жыл бұрын
Man... i love the internet. I never though id ever see anyone delid a k6 let alone modify it to this level.
@xgeko2
@xgeko2 Жыл бұрын
lol this reminds me of when I cut and modified the top of the pcb on my athlon 1800+ to turn it into a mobile server cpu with a unlimited clock multiplier.
@Boostland
@Boostland Жыл бұрын
Also did this on two Bartons for use on a Iwill MPX2 SMP @ 2400Mhz went for years until all the power caps exploded with an arc in a very spectacular way Sadly board was unrepairable as it blew a sizable chunk out
@dnakatomiuk
@dnakatomiuk Жыл бұрын
My first PC was a pre built in 2000 Compaq Presario 5410 it had a AMD K-III 350mhz, 32mb Pc100 RAM onboard graphics 22 years later now I have a Ryzen 3600 16GB RAM, RX580 8GB how far games have come on and hardware has improved through time and tech.
@antonsedyshev8569
@antonsedyshev8569 Жыл бұрын
брат, рузен 3600 уже вчерашний день как и рыкса 580, за технологиями не угнаться
@metamon2704
@metamon2704 Жыл бұрын
The CPUs now has more cache than you had ram back in the day, lol
@jasonking1284
@jasonking1284 Жыл бұрын
Very nice mod.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@TheAdatto
@TheAdatto Жыл бұрын
Ahhh the good ol days when different brands used the same socket.
@fattymcboomboom9254
@fattymcboomboom9254 Жыл бұрын
Wow I had this mod already in mind, except for the disable option. And now comes this video.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Are you planning to still go ahead with the mod?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
You are more than welcome to copy. The disable cache jumper may not be useful as apparently there is software that can achieve the same. I am planning on creating a complete separate video on the Arduino code, .NET application, and the schematics for the electronic diagram. Maybe .NET 2.0 is compatible with Windows 98 - and the code application could be compiled to run on Windows 98. I may add this in that video as well.
@fattymcboomboom9254
@fattymcboomboom9254 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts I will wait then for your next video. Thanks in advance.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Uploaded your video today ;) .Net Application compatible to Windows 98...
@fattymcboomboom9254
@fattymcboomboom9254 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts Thank you, I will watch it now.
@Uta4ka
@Uta4ka Жыл бұрын
ну ты и маньяк, монстра Франкенштейна собрал :D
@jakejoyride
@jakejoyride Жыл бұрын
Congratulations
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@RacielLizarraga
@RacielLizarraga Жыл бұрын
amezing !!!!!!
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed that!
@r4dius
@r4dius Жыл бұрын
I guess if you want to go an extra step you can design a flex cable to do all the wiring :)
@TheJonathanc82
@TheJonathanc82 Жыл бұрын
I remember frying my first k6-III trying to overclock it. Those were the days.
@Simon-ui6db
@Simon-ui6db Жыл бұрын
Always loved the K6-2 when it came out. Now rocking a Ryzen 5700G , yep AMD fanboy lol.
@DongleSama
@DongleSama Жыл бұрын
i had absolutely no clue you could unlock more cache on these, man whatta missed opportunity on my part
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I think many people did! At the end of the platform's life, a lot of people might have tried to mod their chips. Now it is just for entertainment...
@DongleSama
@DongleSama Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts or a nicer retro system. I wonder if I have any more left
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
True on the nicer retro system. I bought 6 K6-2+ 570 recently on ebay. The seller may still be there having plenty of stock. No doubt at some point they'll run out. The seller sells batches of 3 CPUs.
@kirillalexandrovich4644
@kirillalexandrovich4644 Жыл бұрын
I’m from 2000 with thanks for the mod)))
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Enjoy your K6-3+ for a bit longer!
@rewop23us
@rewop23us Жыл бұрын
Nice. I am using that very same DFI motherboard. I'm running a K6 III+ 450 at 550Mhz stock voltage. It will run at 600 as well at stock voltages. Heatsink is never warm. BUT I want to stay at least relatively safe.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Nice CPU! Is it the one with a stock voltage of 1.6? I don't have a "real" K6-III+, I have to mod a K6-2+ to get real close 😄
@rewop23us
@rewop23us Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundboltsThanks! Yeah its the 1.6V one. The K6 III+ has become pretty tough to find at a reasonable price. Mine was given to me as a complete system. The DFi board, An AGP Voodoo 3 3000, the K6 III+, 384mb of RAM, and a cheap Crystal Labs ISA Sounds card. The case is not in too bad of shape either. Save a booger in the corner of the front plastic.
@tomassarverten2672
@tomassarverten2672 Жыл бұрын
WOW!!!!
@DDICyber
@DDICyber Жыл бұрын
you can also make a breakout with a fpc cable and have the jumpers at the front of the pc
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Good idea! I wonder if the flat cable could be used to bring the connection from under the lid. There is just so little headroom that the thin copper tape and Kapton tape pushed the limits already!
@friedcorpse
@friedcorpse Жыл бұрын
omg i remember that 3d-now
@EvilMmM
@EvilMmM Жыл бұрын
same with phenom x3, easy bios flash and u have phenom x4 :D
@bob9483
@bob9483 Жыл бұрын
Wow, didn’t know that a delidded k6-2 looked like a socket a athlon
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Kinda makes the socket A Athlons a bit less cool - at least this is how I feel. I was surprised as well when I saw pictures before modding the CPU.
@troyBORG
@troyBORG Жыл бұрын
I don't remember what version of K6 I had as a kid, but it was the 333mhz I believe.
@shaneseward7139
@shaneseward7139 Жыл бұрын
Nice!! How about delidding and then laying the jumper wires on the ceramic and then 3D printing a shim to hold the wires and do direct die cooling? :)
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to clean-up this prototype with 3D printed parts. But this will probably be the only CPU I am going to mod this way - as long as it works. I have read that direct die cooling doesn't really bring a lot of advantage. The limit of those CPUs is probably around 625-650 MHz.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
​@@bitsundboltsCooling the die down another 5° C might extend the chips remaining lifetime . As the speed of chemical reactions is exponential in the temperature dimension, dropping 5 K of temperature may gain you a few years .
@a64dx86
@a64dx86 Жыл бұрын
Im glad that I'm having here some super 7 cpus... (some penitums; i200; some undifined and some mmxs) and for the best; an k6-2 550; dont know where i got that; but in the near future I am going to search for an proper good ss7 board as a benchtable for theese cpus and as a retro gaming machine.
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Жыл бұрын
The way you handled that razor blade ... do you still have all your fingers?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Few minor cuts, otherwise all is fine 😄
@renakunisaki
@renakunisaki Жыл бұрын
Computers require a blood sacrifice for every upgrade.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
That is so true! I still have scars from unplugging a power connector of a HDD in an old 486 AT case. Those old cases had sharp edges everywhere!
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts I can show you a scar or two from that too. But the razorblade....What I am wondering is why you didn't tape off one side so you cant cut yourself.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
This is my second delid. During the first (video on my channel), I taped one side of the razorblade. The tape was more of an obstruction because I couldn't bend the blade easily. Anyway, apart from very small surface skin cuts, nothing happened.
@mtapeshwer
@mtapeshwer Жыл бұрын
I want to put some light on amd sempron 145 single core cpu which was able to be get converted into an athlon 2 core cpu by just a simple cpu unlock setting in motherboard bios.
@waltergonzalezpaz5995
@waltergonzalezpaz5995 Жыл бұрын
Are the any mods for nowadays CPU?
@herauthon
@herauthon Жыл бұрын
Is this applicable to all models - i got the 550FX/ K6-2 and does the motherboard play into this - like bus speed, tiny variations in voltage ?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
The K6-2 does not have Level 2 cache on the die. Unfortunately, this mod does not apply to your model.
@ComputersAndRetro
@ComputersAndRetro Жыл бұрын
Wow.
@kazookie1567
@kazookie1567 2 ай бұрын
Great Video! Just found it bc i also built a K6-2 550 rig. Now a question: Did you run any benchmarks to see performance differences between the various cache settings?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts 2 ай бұрын
There is another video on my channel: Additional L2 Cache Performance and Cache Levels. I don't remember exactly, but it gives you a little bit more information. I haven't done an in-depth comparison of the CPU with the available settings on this CPU. But I may do it some time in the future.
@kazookie1567
@kazookie1567 2 ай бұрын
@@bitsundbolts Oh how cool! That is very interesting and helpful! Thank you!
@radiosnmore
@radiosnmore Жыл бұрын
550 luv bouyyyyyyyyy sgit is still my fav 7 cpu sick yo
@luc_libv_verhaegen
@luc_libv_verhaegen Жыл бұрын
Would uv solder mask and enamel (speaker) wire not be better options than kapton and the copper strips?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Probably, but I am not sure about the thickness of the wire. The copper strips are a little less "permanent".
@luc_libv_verhaegen
@luc_libv_verhaegen Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts You can get enamel wire down to 0.118mm.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Ok, that will work. Yeah sure, then o guess it's absolutely an alternative!
@bobmcbob4399
@bobmcbob4399 Жыл бұрын
How did you discover the required information about what the exposed resistors etc do underneath the heatspreader? Was this information already documented by AMD and publically available? Did you have to check voltages and randomly short out pins and test? How was this worked out?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Vogons forum. There is plenty of information: www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=85071
@bobmcbob4399
@bobmcbob4399 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts Thanks mate will check it out
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
​@@bitsundboltsIsn't that place only for bad poets driving bulldozers?
@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862
@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862 Жыл бұрын
hello. i have a k6-2 380mhz. are there any more for these?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Hello. The K6-2 does not have a level 2 cache on the die. I am not aware on any mods that would benefit those CPUs.
@mmoll3185
@mmoll3185 Жыл бұрын
Please try overclocking it with cache disabled. I would love to see, what a K6-2 would have been capable of, it AMD had used the same 180nm node for it, just like for the K6-2/3+ CPUs. K6-2 @670-720 maybe?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Good question. I'll put it on my list of future videos to make.
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 Жыл бұрын
Can a regular K6 be modded into the + version by doing this mod?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, no. They were built using a different die. There is no level 2 cache available that can be unlocked.
@scottmm78
@scottmm78 11 ай бұрын
dumb question what is the vaule of the Cap that needs to be moved i broke mine while removing it
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts 11 ай бұрын
It is a bridge with 0 Ohms. I am using jumpers in this video which connect the pads directly. You can use a small wire instead of the cap.
@scottmm78
@scottmm78 11 ай бұрын
@@bitsundbolts Soilder bridge it is then thanks
@spankyham9607
@spankyham9607 Жыл бұрын
Plug the cases Turbo into one of the new jumpers. I would go for the cache jumper myself.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I may put this board in an AT case - I have only one. I don't think I can get a much better board than the DFI K6BV3+/66 anyway. Then the Turbo button may finally get some functionality again 👍
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how it would cope with the jumps being changed in-flight.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wonder if the configuration bits are latched during reset or trusted to be fixed by their own packaging . Either way, the cache control logic may loose track of the meaning of its own data if the configuration changes on the fly . I also wonder if there's a config using the other 128K out of 256K, to be used on chips where the first 128K contain a bad bit .
@tonycalifano5742
@tonycalifano5742 Жыл бұрын
Loved the chip mod, but why are you running that lousy stick of ram? Swap it out for one that is CAS 2 rated.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Limited with SD-RAM. I have a few others, but I have not paid much attention to them yet as I just acquired this Super Socket 7 board. Once I get into benchmarks, I will definitely make sure I use the best memory I have available.
@magnum333
@magnum333 Жыл бұрын
is there any way to mod the vanilla K6-2 (CXT)?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Not to unlock any level 2 cache. The core is of a different architecture and does not have any level 2 cache. Only the "+" versions and the K6-III have level 2 cache on the die.
@magnum333
@magnum333 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts Gotcha. It's just that they are 100 times more popular where I live. Any other mods would be interesting. Nice channel BTW. Lots of dedication and professionalism!
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the regular K6-2 is much cheaper and easier to find. Usually I come across mods by accident. If it is feasible, I'll try to make a video out of it. I'll release one of those videos today 😉 Thanks for watching my videos!
@krazzykiller1
@krazzykiller1 Жыл бұрын
i remember this. i got 1ghz out of a k6 literally for years. i actually never had any problems.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Are you sure this was a K6 and not a K7? The max multiplier is 6 on those CPUs - which would have brought your FSB to 166 MHz.
@fattymcboomboom9254
@fattymcboomboom9254 Жыл бұрын
Is the temperature tool Win9x compatible?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
At this point - no. I used .NET 4.6. But it uses some standard libraries like SerialPort. May just be possible to be compiled in .NET 2.0 that may work on Windows 98SE.
@SwervingLemon
@SwervingLemon Жыл бұрын
Maybe someone can explain this weirdness to me: I had a friend who built a K6 2 400 system based on my own. He liked how well my computer performed that he built his with the same processor and motherboard. He made a mistake with the jumpers on the board and when he first powered it up, it blew three pins off one corner of the processor. He brought me over to investigate and I found the incorrect MB jumpers. We set them where they belonged, powered it on and... it booted. We installed windows, installed the bridge drivers, the nvidia drivers and the audigy drivers and all was well. Except - it benchmarked 15% BETTER than mine in Final Reality. HOW?!
@overlord10104
@overlord10104 Жыл бұрын
Is it okay to short circuit pins and not using resistors?
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
The resistors I removed were 0 Ohms. So, basically a bridge.
@overlord10104
@overlord10104 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts o that's explain it. Thank you for answering
@drCox12
@drCox12 Жыл бұрын
Not that I'm suggesting that you actually do it but I wonder what would happen if you change the jumpers on the fly. Btw: Anybody noticed the TÜV logo on the CPU cooler? - Real or fake? 😁😁
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I wonder that as well. Not sure if I ever want to try it though. I could imagine that the CPU initializes itself and wouldn't care if I add additional 128KB. But what would happen if L2 is disabled? Probably would just crash. Maybe some day we will try 😂
@nahventure3873
@nahventure3873 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts please do try I want to see it
@primus711
@primus711 Жыл бұрын
Next time i would put it in the socket with heatsink on to add pressure while curing
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I did place a heavy object on the CPU. In part 2 of modding the AMD K6-2+ 450 (video on my channel), you can see a cardboard roll with stone coasters. I did the same for this CPU.
@primus711
@primus711 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts another way besides what i said would be to use a extra socket or use a garbage mobo and use clamps the amount of force applied is way greater than weights
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
It definitely could also be a good option. The weights give you the option to re-align the aluminum lid in case it moves. Under a cooler, it may be a bit more difficult.
@Stummel01
@Stummel01 9 ай бұрын
miss my k6-3 pc... dfi k6bv3 with 1mb cache ftw
@youtube4fun_894
@youtube4fun_894 Жыл бұрын
I wish you done this video on 1997.. so I have mod my k6-2 to k6-3
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Now I feel like I shouldn't be doing the Voodoo 1 mod: 4MB to 8MB...
@Jeroensgambling
@Jeroensgambling Жыл бұрын
But why would you, have the option to change the cache from 256KB to 128KB or even 0KB ? Its funny that mod was found 20 years later due date lol. Played around with this CPU too. AMD has a tendency of rebadging "full" CPU's as lower versions. The Slot A was a perfect example. Most cores where badged or rated for 750Mhz. But the lower end models such as 600Mhz, 550Mhz, 500Mhz, where just downclocked. The chip inside was the same as a 750Mhz Model.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
One Jumper disables the level 2 cache entirely. The other jumper enables/disables half of the full 256kb of level 2 cache present on the silicone die. I can't wait to play around with socket A CPUs!
@quierovervideosfrb
@quierovervideosfrb Жыл бұрын
Only a few synthetic tests were missing to see the changes
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I'll make a separate video testing this CPU.
@dyslectische
@dyslectische Жыл бұрын
Next time bro . Use repair set for rear Window heater for the car . You know that heat lines on the windows what u use in the winter . That repair set is glue with silver or metal parts. Works perfect to make lines . I use that with my amd Duron/Thunderbird cpu. And you can use real silver pen more easy but not that strong.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Nice idea! I may get such a kit because I have a feeling that I will be useful for future projects!
@jonleviticus8176
@jonleviticus8176 Жыл бұрын
You gave me anxiety using that razor blade with its sharp edge
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
You're not the first one pointing this out. Next time, I'll make sure to take better precautions.
@sergei0161
@sergei0161 Жыл бұрын
А зачем назад поставил крышку?! Если можно было охлаждение поставить напрямую, на сам кристал.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
It would be a possibility. I just like to have the lid back on - feels more complete and there is not much to be gained with direct-die cooling.
@Michael_Brock
@Michael_Brock Жыл бұрын
Is this CPU galaxy moved on? Channel owner here I think has an Austrian accent. But excellent English, If he was CPU galaxy, his English has gotten better. And I would like to know why the switch.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
No relation to CPU Galaxy, although I watch his channel. I am from Germany but live abroad since over 15 years.
@BlueSkyYGO
@BlueSkyYGO Жыл бұрын
The motherboard BIOS is patched? Imagine having both 256kB cache on the CPU + 1MB in motherboard, like a modern Lv3 cache 😎 What about some benchs? 128 vs 256 vs 1024 kB caches AMD K6-2 was my first CPU, i think it was 400MHz but i oced at 550MHz (my motherboard don't supported higher freq. and i didn't knew about BIOS updates) I wanna know what is the lastest Linux version which support this CPUs
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I think the board has the latest official BIOS Version. There are also 2MB versions for this board. My board could be upgraded with a new Tag ram and an additional SRAM chip - but I don't have the skills for that yet. Benchmarks will for sure follow!
@BlueSkyYGO
@BlueSkyYGO Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts I'm talking about this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jN2Kh5dh2LixqoE.html
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I haven't seen this video. Thanks for sharing!
@BlueSkyYGO
@BlueSkyYGO Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts i hope it helps your project 😉 can be great see a patched AMD K6' BIOS and watch the improvements running 🤓 i always knew AMD K6 and 3Dnow! was underrated but never knew about those patches since here internet wasn't a thing until mid 2000s, also people underrated cache sizes on CPU, i always said 256kB cache 500MHz K6 better than 600Mhz Celeron with 64kB lol Also SSE is like a copy/paste from 3Dnow! but since Intel had more influence than AMD it got more support, always seen Nvidia Graphics card mounted on AGP/SSE but never seen an ATi on AGP/SSE or same Nvidia on AMD with AGP/SSE even on supported processors (K7 or K8 for example), and never, never AGP/3Dnow!
@jasonlin5884
@jasonlin5884 Жыл бұрын
As I know the latest Slackware still supports it But I did not try it myself
@xBruceLee88x
@xBruceLee88x Жыл бұрын
I've got a few laying around (3 or so). Maybe I'll get one to work lol I really need a better motherboard though lol
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Also 570s? If you are going to attempt the mod, I wish you good luck!
@xBruceLee88x
@xBruceLee88x Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts no 500s, one a 350. Just curious about the extra cache lol.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I suggest doing a bit of research. Your CPUs may be collectibles and it would be a shame to modify them.
@92trdman
@92trdman Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou Жыл бұрын
Back in my day we spread the thermal paste as thin and even as possible with a razor. 🙂 I'm old so what.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I remember that too. Oh well, enough evidence out there that it doesn't matter too much. Just too little paste is an issue. I'm old now too.
@AncapDude
@AncapDude 5 ай бұрын
too much paste, far too much. Additional cache not tested. Video Link in 1:52 not working.
@maniatore2006
@maniatore2006 10 ай бұрын
Under the hood, the AMD K6 looks like a K7 (Athlon) CPU, back in the early 2000s i modded a CPU arleardy.. An Overclocket ist A 500 to 700Mhz (unstable) i had no ideas of Untervolting or even thermal paste at this time, i was Young and Stupid. 🤣😂 Today thisa CPUs are rar to find, and the only one i have K6-2 500 i will never Mod or Overclock.
@neo_smith
@neo_smith Жыл бұрын
Even though I own this CPU, I'm not stupid enough to break it in such a futile attempt.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
It may not be worth the risk, you're right! This is my second delid of such a CPU. Both were successful. However, there are pictures of broken silicone dies on the web.
@GeorgeTsiros
@GeorgeTsiros Жыл бұрын
kindly remove the _entire installation package of internet explorer 5.5_ from the repository. StopMonitor returns a value that is never used. (even StartMonitor doesn't need to return anything, either. Whether it succeeded or not is known from _port.IsOpen) Do port enumeration at startup instead of in Start_click. Consider sending a short or an int from the arduino instead of a string. Consider handling SerialPort's ErrorReceived.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I added all dependencies that will be used in an upcoming video. It also contains .NET Framework 2.0, windows 98 Arduino serial drivers and the Microsoft Windows Installer 2.0. They are all dependencies for .NET.
@GeorgeTsiros
@GeorgeTsiros Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts jesus christ :D
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
You are right - I changed the code based on some of your suggestions. But most importantly, I got rid of the large binary dependencies and provided source URLs instead.
@GeorgeTsiros
@GeorgeTsiros Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts what is your target platform? w95? 2k?
@GeorgeTsiros
@GeorgeTsiros Жыл бұрын
​@@bitsundbolts i wrote it completely backwards D: do port enum when the user asks to start the system. As close (time-wise) to when the port will be actually opened. The reasoning for this, is that there is no guarantee whatsoever that the serial port will continue existing from the moment you enumareted them all to the user clicking start (yes, it does sound crazy)
@mrpositronia
@mrpositronia Жыл бұрын
Hur Hur, will it run Crysis now? 🤓
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Resolution: 32x18 - on low details though.
@0371998
@0371998 Жыл бұрын
The mission of the K6-III was to beat and harass the Pentium II. I think that the k6-III 600-666 mhz can beat the best pentium II, in all games, all applications. The pentium II had the best support in the motherboards industry, and so for the agp port, and sdram-memory They provide a bigger transfert etc. I think, its true. The worses errors for the socket 7, They had not motherboard who can support a system of dual cpu. its a real scandal into the super socket 7 History.
@user-of6ox8jf5t
@user-of6ox8jf5t Жыл бұрын
Де ти був 20 років тому...
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
I wish I knew back then as well!
@jinxterx
@jinxterx Жыл бұрын
Please don't use a razor blade like this guy did, it's incredibly stupid and dangerous.
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN Жыл бұрын
useless mods are useless
@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe
@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe 9 ай бұрын
Deutsche Wertarbeit 😅💯
@tofuguru941
@tofuguru941 Жыл бұрын
This was amazing when I first found out about it! I was going to attempt the cache mod myself, but then I saw a listing on eBay of someone that does this mod... They've sold many and have great reviews. SOLID performance. I got mine doing 633mhz @ only 2.2v (115fsb) They still have a listing up. Item # 165591645766 It's basically a K6 II+ 570 turned into a K6 III+ 570. 256k cache! If anyone is interested, I'd probably snag one before this person runs out of em.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
But he aware that you can buy 3 K6-2+ 570 for a little over 80 USD on ebay: Item 274825467551
@tofuguru941
@tofuguru941 Жыл бұрын
@@bitsundbolts Of course but there is no guarantee that those CPUs will accept the mod. Nor is that factoring in the time needed to do the mod. Or the equipment cost to also do the mod. The person selling the CPU premodded is guaranteeing you a 633mhz capable CPU that accepted the mod. I was happy to pay even more to be honest. Silly to try to save a couple bucks and spend enourmous time. If you have the tools sitting around and are savvy and like to tinker... Sure. But that's not everybody.
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Yes, I absolutely agree with you. I bought 6 CPUs in total. I modded a K6-2+ 450 (if I am not mistaken) and one of the six 570s. Both work but I haven't done overclocking. There will be a few more videos on those CPUs when I get the time - as you said - it is time consuming. Even if you just move the resistor, it takes about an hour to do if you do it the first time. And no guarantee. Die can crack, die can have faulty L2 Cache, or anything in-between can go wrong.
@surrealreality962
@surrealreality962 Жыл бұрын
good example of ripping off people by AMD
@bitsundbolts
@bitsundbolts Жыл бұрын
Marketing speak: Market segmentation
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