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The Ultimate Fencing Attack [Seb Patrice Hopping]

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11 ай бұрын

Sebastien Patrice's signature bouncing attack
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@andreasalbarosa7247
@andreasalbarosa7247 11 ай бұрын
I tried during training and I failed miserably 😅
@Fire-kid20
@Fire-kid20 11 ай бұрын
Keep training and you’ll get better , don’t give up , you got this 😊
@gremfencer
@gremfencer 11 ай бұрын
I do this un ironically, my coach hates it so much lol
@WaybackFencingClub
@WaybackFencingClub 11 ай бұрын
Sabre is really a game for the ref. There just happens to be 2 people with swords hopping at eachother in the background.
@stevep1762
@stevep1762 11 ай бұрын
This is the Casares dolphin-hop. It's super hard to counter into because the hops are such variable sizes. Back foot lands first then the front foot could be anywhere from a short to a long step, and then goes almost straight up. Patrice is great at it as he can finish the attack almost anywhere in the cycle and still get two lights, or flunge off the landing if his opponent is too close. Look at Kim's tribute vs Casares in this hit from 2013 watch?v=JvHvVXqxxwo
@brynmorticus
@brynmorticus 11 ай бұрын
Honestly, this is a reffing problem. It should be possible to score an attack on prep/stop hit w/ priority against someone who is just jumping up in the air and not actually making an attempt to hit. Pre-T2005 it would have been impossible to do this and keep the attack, T2005 there would have been loads of 1-lights and potentially attack-no calls. It's only since 2016 that the combination of long-ish lockout times and loose reffing on the marching attack has allowed this madness.
@SlicerSabre
@SlicerSabre 11 ай бұрын
I think fencers also need to be brave and force the ref to make that decision. Maybe if fencers started making clear attacks into the bounce then that could force a change. It's awkward because fencers don't want to risk it if they don't trust that the ref will give it but on the other hand the refs can't give it if no one looks for it.
@DonovanDeans
@DonovanDeans 11 ай бұрын
Ah...the imitation Korean gallop. A bit overdone here, but effective nonetheless. There is no reffing problem here, and pre-2005 the RoW calls were so inconsistent you had no idea what would be considered an attack, referees largely over-called attack no for the most subjective, inconsistent of terms. What you need to understand is there is NO perfect/unstoppable move in fencing, none. Everything has its pro's/cons. Hopping like this makes it nearly impossible to change direction with any speed, and has so much forward momentum that if you get parried or fall short you're pretty screwed. It's gotten a little more OP because of the Sabre lockout timing increase, but ultimately it's just physically athletic, but tactically/technically lazy footwork. With an excellent hand-speed from the attacker, it requires the defender to put extremely heavy pressure on them and be very patient. But again, if they mis-fire...it's suicide. I can't imagine anyone counter-parrying, pulling a 2nd intention counter short, or recovering while doing this...it's basically auto-flunge. I wouldn't say it's not an attack though...it's consistent movement forward. But those technical weaknesses are why Szilagyi never does it, and even Oh only mixes it in sparingly. Gu and Dershwitz kind of have their own version of this they do consistently, but the hops are WAY tighter and varied. The only person I see on the circuit who does it to this extreme is Kim Junho. But that's just my opinion from watching / fencing hundreds of bouts.
@teakew8217
@teakew8217 11 ай бұрын
An attack on prep is not a stop-hit. Nobody, all clip, attacks into this. There are _counterattacks_, where the defender closes distance but does so while trying to close out or dodge (which definitely makes it no longer theirs - that's even worse than the bouncing). If nobody is even trying to attack into it, it's always going to be able to hold priority.
@moman6280
@moman6280 7 ай бұрын
Agree with @brynmorticus here. Though the year Pianfetti made it through to the final at the Worlds it looked like they were giving him Attaque sur la marche, which was he first time since the lockout time was really shortened. I was really happy for this, but it seems like though that year the referees decided to call that, it's reverted back to anything once ROW is established is still the attack...
@Diviniums
@Diviniums 11 ай бұрын
New meta has dropped
@user-ex6uk6ye3o
@user-ex6uk6ye3o 11 ай бұрын
My coach with throw me out of the gym if i done this🤣
@leftysabreuse3257
@leftysabreuse3257 11 ай бұрын
Do the french bounce more than the koreans these days? 🤔
@tjmcnally1494
@tjmcnally1494 11 ай бұрын
Aside from the defender's very real concern about how the referee will call it, I also wonder about the subconscious psychological effect of all of the high-line targets suddenly being even higher and kind of out of normal reach during the hop? Does that just short-circuit people?
@inkk-splatters
@inkk-splatters 10 ай бұрын
OH NOOOO NOT THE BOUNCY BOUNCY
@reginaldd.paperstacks194
@reginaldd.paperstacks194 Ай бұрын
The hoppity hop
@Joshuaaaaaa1
@Joshuaaaaaa1 10 ай бұрын
Ryan Choi chun yin also like this style
@joseluisgil8110
@joseluisgil8110 20 күн бұрын
Vega from streer fighter
@adjd1576
@adjd1576 11 ай бұрын
It's easy in sabre of course
@oldschooljeremy8124
@oldschooljeremy8124 11 ай бұрын
I don't know how that's an attack. Never mind the hopping, the arm cranking up and down isn't moving forward or extending. Every piston of the arm ought to be 'attaque non'.
@iainmcclure416
@iainmcclure416 10 ай бұрын
If it was called that way the fencing would be better
@Daniel-bv5mx
@Daniel-bv5mx 11 ай бұрын
For me it's rather a funny comic than a consistent movent to willingly attack.... it's a joke, somebody should overlook those rules
@natantm9757
@natantm9757 20 күн бұрын
Esgrima de canguros. No es estético, pierde gracia e interés.
@write-only
@write-only 10 күн бұрын
Is this Artistic Fencing?
@_sixtyfour
@_sixtyfour 11 ай бұрын
my coach would say (in bulgarian accent): "what are you doing?!" i would say: "simplement magnifique" side note: idk about you but for me the quality of the video (frame rate + resolution) looks much less crisp than the original
@SlicerSabre
@SlicerSabre 11 ай бұрын
They were clipped from the bouts that CyrusofChaos uploaded. For me the quality is the same, but maybe the original stream had better quality?
@user-mo7sp6sw8h
@user-mo7sp6sw8h 11 ай бұрын
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