Timestamps for mobile users to click on: (We jump back and forth between games, so some are listed multiple times) Introduction 00:00:40 Sacred Stones 00:04:23 Revelation 00:13:48 Birthright 00:15:17 Conquest 00:17:10 Shadow Dragon & The Blade of Light (FE1) 00:29:37 New Mystery of the Emblem 00:38:59 Shadow Dragon (FE11) 00:40:26 New Mystery of the Emblem 00:41:59 Shadow Dragon (FE11) 00:43:25 New Mystery of the Emblem 00:45:04 Mystery of the Emblem 00:46:15 Path of Radiance 00:51:07 Fire Emblem 7 00:52:57 Path of Radiance 00:57:31 Fire Emblem 7 00:59:43 Radiant Dawn 01:05:07 Echoes: SoV 01:21:44 Gaiden 01:27:19 Thracia 776 01:28:24 Awakening 01:44:38 Binding Blade 01:52:20 Shadow Dragon & The Blade of Light (FE1) 02:01:12 Three Houses 02:03:00 Geneaolgy of the Holy War 02:18:57 Finale 02:52:17

The summary for those who didn't watch it all: Nobody hates Fire Emblem more than Fire Emblem fans.

I myself am very fond of this "Arvis" character, he seems to be a capable leader and I don't believe he's done anything wrong.

Everyone: ok FE8 Chaz: F tier Everyone: uhhh ok FE1 Chaz: S tier Everyone: Chaz r we even talking about the same games? Chaz: TearRing Saga has to be S tier

this was the boomer vs zoomer war for sure

Speedy: No one will sit through 3 hours of this Me: (Sits through 3 hours of this)

No one: Not a soul: Bisquick: the RAIN

I've only really known of Bisquick and Chaz before watching this but I was really impressed by LinkKing's speech and persuasive ability to smoothly and conclusively get everyone to see his point of view, pretty instrumental in leading the conversation for many of these. Uploader was also great at steering the conversations to where they need to go (FE11's "no, we're done with this" made me laugh). Great discussion + content to put in the background and listen into, thanks for uploading.

Three Houses isn't S tier? Guess this tier list belongs in D tier :p I am Ferdinand Von Aegir.

“No one’s gonna sit here for three hours and listen to us” oh how he was proved wrong

SpeedyHawk out here trying to rival Endgame for longest movie of 2019.

I feel echoes was done dirty, but each to their own.

You know the best part about the Fire Emblem fan base is that there’s hardly any general or unified opinions about the games or a tier list, everyone has a different opinion about their favorites and least favorites and that’s okay. That said, holy shit I feel evil energy radiating off this list just LOOKING at it. But that’s okay, that’s what makes Fire Emblem special...

Rewatching this, as much debating as there was between games, there’s something extremely cathartic about the universal hated of revelations.

can't believe everybody trashing on sigurd's force ghost

Tellius let's gooo Rip Echoes

They should all be in D but that’s just me, a Fire Emblem fan

FYI: Shadow Dragon sold more than PoR and RD, so it's definitely not THE reason the series was dying. It's most likely a combination of the sales of FE9 through FE12 that screwed over IS, because none of them sold well (FE9 and 10 are with Thracia as worst selling in the series)

Hot take alert: FE11 is just FE1 but you can challenge yourself

I freaking loved Awakening, so much fun. I do feel like they could of done more with Valm, linked it more to Alm but I thought over all it was fine.

Is this the FE4 hot takes repository? 1. Chapter 3 is a fantastic map, not just by FE4 standards, but in general. 2. Seliph is less generic than people give him credit for, him living in shadow of Sigurd is the entire point. The contrast between how he views himself and how others view him make him one of the more interesting lords in the series. 3. Travant is better than Arvis. 4. The conversation with ghost Sigurd and Deirdre is one of the highlights of gen 2, second only to Finn reuniting with Altena.

i swear if i hear FE7 story complaints

I just love how someone will give a heartfelt speech on why the current game is good and then someone will just go something like "yeah it sounds like C or B tier"

I cant tell you how many times I've watched this. y'alls interactions are so entertaining the whole way through!! Solid work!

Its been almost 2 years and this is still the greatest playlist

It took me a while but I finished this video from start to finish! Really appreciate your hard work in organizing and doing these kinds videos! Keep killing it Speedy!

I just want to say that I'm very impressed with the editing. You deliberately isolated some of the chaotic parts to give a spotlight to each person, and story boarded it to give the each opinion equal weight. This is very soothing in a podcast format.

Eh. Three Houses deserves at least A tier. Echoes deserves at least B. That was a beautiful game.

I like to come back to this video every time I finish a new fe to actually know what they're talking about

You should continue this maybe next time rank the fe lords it be interesting to see Chaz and link debate on Sigurd

Echoes is the best for me personally because all I care about is characters, visuals, UI, and music

Chaz: trying to take over the tier list by constantly reminding his own opinion. Probably didn,t mean to, but still Jaeaik: kind of goes back and forth with Chaz and makes comments here and there about his opinion. Linkking: Spends 2 minutes straight uniterrupted explaining his opinionand then doesn't talk a lot after­. Speedy: Tries to come to an agreement between everybody and messes around with the tier list while everyone debates. Bisquick: Comic relief. Simple, yet perfect. if he speaks up, it's to complement something or just say what he thinks without justification, or he justifies it by a hularious skit. These guys are perfect together. We need more of this.

You guys didn't mention ledges in RD? Underrated feature

"Just wait until the remake..." - LinkKing7 and every Genealogy fan when someone doesn't rank it S tier This was a pretty good list and I enjoy the mutual respect between you guys and your opinions!

This tier list is totally one hundred percent trash because I’m a echoes fanboy and echoes is totally perfect no flaws best game map design is top tier echoes is the only good game in the series. Instant dislike. Jk but echoes is my favorite game

I'm really glad you uploaded the "raw" version of that tier list. I really enjoyed it and had in general a good time listening to your guys opinions. You should do that again, maybe talk about 1 game like Awakenings characters (invite some guests) and rank them in a tier list (Perfomance, Personality, Design and stuff like that). Would watch that for sure!

Wait, did Speedy actually believe Chaz when he said he’s 17? That’s hilarious. Speedy, Chaz is older than Mangs.

aah yes i remember when Kris told Lang that he wouldn't lose to him even tho he was old and senile

This was so damn interesting, listened to all of it while working on my uni submissions. Personally I would've put Echoes above Awakening I think.... and I'm pretty glad about Sacred Stones in B-Tier bcs it was my first FE game as far as I can remember lmao, was expecting it to be trashed more. I'd love to hear another discussion round, maybe about best Lords/Units or... something?

Shadow Dragona and New Mystery got the shaft :( S tier in my heart.

Personally I think three houses should be low A tier, I mean its my personal favourite but thats just because I feel it plays to what I want out of an FE game perfectly with a solid story, amazing characters and a very imbalance vs imbalance aproach to game design especially on maddening, like sure the enemys have ambush spawns and nasty skill combos but you have 2 warp users with 50+mag and 1-4 range oh and Travant also lent you his wyvern squad.Also gambits. I do think its a cut above FE7, I feel like the story is worse in 7, the characters are about on par and the gameplay is lacking in 7, at some poitnt it just becomes a snorefest with watching harken,hawkeye,pent and marcus shred entire batalions while fliers secure objectives. Also I totaly agree with Speedys take on battlesaves and geneologys ehm ´´Gameplay´´, I dont know how these DISGUSTING geneolgy elitists like one known choopy choosi can have the AUDACITY to trash casual mode when FE4 litteraly has what ammounts to b-tech phoenix mode (this is a joke please dont hurt me). I also would have put shadow dragon higher but thats just because it was my first fire emblem and when I was an 8 year old there was just something incredibly magical to me about it, so thats pure nostalgia bias, I still think it could be high C tier. Overall very fun video great job.

OOOO man I WISH I was in this discussion, I have so many takes lmao

Putting Shadow Dragon in D makes me sad, I love Shadow Dragon. I have so much fun playing Shadow Dragon.

Chaz praising Thracia made me so moist.

As someone who only played Awakening a little bit and of course Three Houses, I really liked hearing thoughts from y'all on this list.

Speedy I really enjoy this podcast. Thank you & I wish all the luck in the new year with you & your channel!!

Fire Emblem Awakening is my favorite FE game with 3 house being a very close 2nd for me

IMO i'd put both RD and Genealogy on S ,i love both games , the gba games lower and change Conquest for SoV. Everything else seems alright , 3 hours is actually a good time for bunch of ppl to almost agree tbh

Oh my. Almost 3 hours. This seems like a good weekend watch lol

The number of times someone said, “I’ve never played this but it should be placed…” Like, how though!?

Quality content, I was gonna judge you based solely off of where you placed fates

I’ve never even seen a video from any of these guys yet I rly enjoyed this and am instantly subbing to all of them. Rip echoes tho I love that game.

This video was super interesting Speedy, a really unique collab! I watched it in segments, it was really really nice to hear you and the other guys express individual opinions on the games. You came to a shared consensus in the end, but i love the FE series for the fact that the games appeal to many different peoples individual tastes, im glad everyones opinions are diverse, if they werent we wouldnt be able to have discussions like this. It was a long video, but every minute was worth the watch, as everyone contributed so much! My favourite moments are when someone argues in favor of their favourite game or character, like Link with FE4 or Bisquick with Path of Radiance, its nice to see how passionate everyone was. I was looking forward to this collab Speedy, and it didnt disappoint 🙂 really fun and engaging to listen to you all.

Definitely a fun listen for sure and it was cool to hear all the different opinions and what each FE title brings to the table.

Man you guys are harsh against 3H. Definitely at least A- . PoR for S tier.

Why Path of Radiance is my favorite FE game : - It is probably the best entry point for all players , due to (early game been easy , mid game been okay , and late game been hard) , and it can set you up to play previous entries (in a serious matter , most people have never touch the "old fe games just cuz it does not have casual" as an option) - Pretty good cast of characters overall. - IT HAS THE BLACK KNIGHT , YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH THE MEDIEVAL DARTH VADER - It has everything that a Fire Emblem game would have (except for Gaiden Chapters) - Ike as the main character : "I fight for my friends" - Adding to it, Ike does not move the story like others main characters do (Fk you Corrin), he is just a mercenary that was giving a position. - Ashnard as a the main villain, takes away the "cliche I am an evil guy because I am", and there is a reason behind it (Just like Zephiel) - It touches topics like racism , slavery , genocide and more. - Re-introduction of skills, give them more customization , and each class has it's own OP skill to use (Astra , Sol , Luna , Deadeye Aether , etc) - Bonus exp was introduce here to give boost a unit who needs to catch up - Classes now promote at lvl 20 if you level up them one more time, and they give you the option to promote them with a Master Seal if you wanna do it earlier. - Introduce the "Beast" unit in this game as laguz , and other FE games used that idea (Fates , Awakening) - Weapons forge was introduce in this game - Finally, Path of Radiance by itself has one of the best FE stories (just pretend Radiant Dawn is a separate game LOL)

Whenever Chaz talks about skills in Conquest he always brings up 'Point Blank' which doesn't make any sense - literally the only enemy that ever has it is Takumi (although he doesn't have it in Ch.13) because he's usually the boss and it sopped you from cheesing the boss. Literally no other enemy has it.

I find it hilarious how Genealogy gen 1 is so good it made gen 2 seem so bad in comparison that makes people genuinely stop playing midway through.

having so many of yalls vids pop on my home for a solid year now, ive been getting invested into FE, this video was a gemstone to find. I also seen you mention you had been working on a new one from a comment 3 months ago cant waite to see that one. Thank you for the uncut version absolutely amazing content. honestly i just have fallen in love with the series. [My experience with FE]: First tried PoR(library checkout, didnt know english well yet but the game caught my eye, definitely wanna buy the game to play on my GC) didnt get far. Got Shadow Dragon(i was stubborn, first full playthrough attempt just default Hard classic, never replayed, hated it). played awakening as a library checkout a handful of times(liked it). Though i didnt like the other 3ds titles at the time(i need to attempt them again). Played ALOT of 3H last year which made me get Engage instantly but i wasnt able to finish engage due to the different vibe. since then ive played New mystery all the way, sacred stones until the split, yet to do my full playthroughs of blinding blade or other gba title. Seeing a handful of yalls videos i really wanna do thraccia 776 and Geneaology of the holy war, but havent had the time to.

This is perfect to listen to! I have an art expo piece to do over break and this is great white noise to listen to

Shadows of valentia on C tier is outrageous to me, i absolutely loved it

Okay so, I won't deny that New Mystery of Emblem, hero of light and shadow isn't bad but I have one thing to say about Kris that I think is somehow well done, atleast it made me think that. spoiler: In the ending, Marth wants us to become an hero of Archanea for all we did for the army, for marth himself, for the world and our character, Kris, says that he doesn't need it and for the people to stay united, they only need one hero which is Marth. But Marth at this point says that even if history doesn't remember us, he will. (atleast in my memories it happened like that) And as someone who somehow tried to self-insert into our character, I interpreted it as I, the player, won't be remembered in the history of Archanea, like any other fire emblem player who did this game, but Marth who succeeded in saving the world will remember us, the player. So yeah I might be the only one who felt like that and Shadow Dragon and New Mystery of Emblem are also my first FE (if we forget about FE1 which I played for hours blindly before getting stuck because I played like shit and knew nothing about it) so that plays its part, but somehow it made me feel like the journey was worthwhile and satisfying. Even though the game has a lot of problems, it will still has a special place in my heart.

I think you should make more 3 hour videos Speedy, it gave me something to listen to while I got through 1/10th of a Genealogy map

Hey everyone, I don't want to get spoiled, so I'd like to ask here: Which version of FE 4 should I play?

Something I don't really see being touched on is the Emergent Narratives. I find sacred stones such a boring experience because the game itself is solved from the start. Very Seth. Games like fe11 and 12 have something very powerful to them, where you make Gordin an armor knight who saves your ass by holding the line at the rear, and your Catria gets such bad levels you reclass her to mage but then she starts getting magic pretty much every level and OHKO's gharnef. The gameplay lets you tell your own stories, the least in games like SS and Tellius, the most in games like FE11 and 12. That's something that very much impacts my enjoyment of the the game. Games like FE9/10 or Echoes arent bad because theres no emergent narratives, simply because they already have strong stories that are enjoyable narratives on their own. The ability to create personalized narratives is itself much more powerful in games where the narratives pre-made for the game are weak, like in fe6, or loose, like in fe11.

Forgot to put heroes in d tier and tear ring and berwick saga to s tier

Shadow Dragon has exactly one good thing going for it: the tiny amount of writing that the game has is extremely good.

I feel like a lot of Chaz's arguments for FE1 went under the radar because NO ONE ELSE HAD PLAYED IT. I'm back here after the switch release and uh...yeah C seems legit. Also I dunno what he's on about, I still think SD is waaaaaay better

I completely agree with Chaz about FE5 gaiden chapters, I never got Tanya and Dagdar back because I was playing semi blind and the requirement is too weird

The one thing I learned is that this community is hella divisive when it comes to favorites. I wish it was all a respectful discussion like this though. Amazing video SpeedyHawk.! Seeing people discuss passionately the things they love is very entertaining.

Actually do appreciate that you uploaded the whole vid unedited loved every second of it

Looking back at this video it's just insane how absolutely nobody was willing to stand up for any of the 3ds library here shit is so sad (except birthright that shit can burn for all I care)

Love this kind of thing but I gotta ask, does this have serious spoilers? With ANY of these games? Or am I safe to listen to this whole thing? I'm playing Echoes right now and I'll be super mad if I get spoiled I might skip that section but I wanna hear what you guys think about the game (wihtout spoiling it.)

Guess I have to play Geneology now

I still can't believe you put Awakening and above Echoes. Echoes should have been at least B tier

chaz is a person who just picks the answer that is least picked just be argumentative and disagreeable and its a mental disorder fe 1 was an experimental game that had many flaws and problems due to the system it was created on therefore it will never be as good as he thinks it is and deep down he knows that but will continue to argue for it just to be different which is why the others can easily argue against him. He makes decent points but this list is short compared to the cons. Fe1 was far ahead of its time in concept execution couldn't support it the way it should have been which is why technology advance and games get better in a trend up. even the makers understood this which is why they continued to find ways to improve the original games flaws. like inventory management, STORY, and gameplay mechanics. fe8 prevents being soft locked fe2 tried new ways to improve inventory management since the creators knew it was shit in the first one. and fe3 or 4 introduced dismounting which is a understandable mechanic. Also Fire emblem is a strategy role-playing game in essence. Chaz just wants to be different and its cliche like every chic flick has a main "quirky" lead and they all become the same movie. Like a Jaegan motive is seen in many games with different names.

Only just got around to watching this the whole way through because of busy holidays. Really enjoyed the discussions (I think you got a good spread of elitism without it being overwhelming) and I mostly agree with the overall tier list considering what games I have/haven't played. I'd swap RD with PoR, but I'm biased.

2:35:06 man you could hear a damn pin drop! Remember the music is edited in, so in the actual call this was dead silence lmao!

All im saying is that if Gaiden was gotten rid of since Echoes is the ¨same¨, but then Fe1 is kept when Shadow Dragon does literally everything and more, then thats kind of unfair.

One thing they forgot to mention about fe4. The music. I love the music in that game

Man, this was fantastic to listen to from beginning to end. It made me want to be a part of it, offering my absolutely GARBAGE takes on these games and getting demolished for it, especially as someone who plays exclusively on easy, and prefers entries where I can grind and overlevel my guys.

The interesting thing about Radiant Dawn is how well it represents the arbitrary nature of reality. Every single RPG is guilty of giving you incrementally more challenging enemies as the story progresses, which is unbelievably convenient if you think about it. But Radiant Dawn has those moments where you have a ridiculous Darth Vader style knight randomly helping you, or your guys are completely unprepared and jumped by much stronger units. Life is often unfair and unbalanced. If you get into a random bar fight then you’re not gonna fight one low leveled chump that you can guaranteed beat so you can level up. You might get jumped by three guys and get destroyed, and that’s reality. I love Radiant Dawn- incredible story telling and building. Also I loved Machiah.

I fail to see how Alm is the foil of Berkut when Alm was practically given everything with out much consequence through the entire game

just saw this in it's entirity. first i was like "how can they all be so wrong in different ways." but then i realised we all love this franchise for different reasons and that will basically make a tierlist random depending on who makes one.

Chaz: A games map design is not enough to save it from being horrible Also Chaz: Conquest is a great game

I've said the same thing on Mangs list, I think it's sooo difficult to order the FE games in a list, even if you have a clear order in your mind which elements are the most important ones for you, so I think 3 hours is a reasonable time to discuss this with 5 people. I can agree with most of this list, I think Path of Radiance is the best overall package, even though the gameplay is average at best (mostly because it's so slow and doesn't have a good difficulty for repeat playthroughs, like Hard is fun on a first playthrough, but too easy on replays, while Maniac is just a mess). I think it would be fun to make a list for each of the elements you considered (gameplay, map design, story, characters and presentation), my list for that would be: Gameplay: Conquest, FE12, RD Map Design: Thracia, Conquest, RD Story: Genealogy, PoR, Thracia Characters: Three Houses (the best aspect of the game by far), PoR/RD, Sacred Stones Presentation is difficult to rate retroactively in my opinion, so I'll just say that some games (Echoes) are better at it than other games on their system (Awakening), and that I hope they reach a higher level of (graphical) quality with the next Switch game

Echoes is my favorite just for presentation, It is so beautiful that I forgive all other flaws

I would love to see a Tier List like this ranking the games based on Soundtrack, that'd be really interesting to hear your opinions on that.

“the goal is to edit this down to about an hour”

Man, coming here four years later, being a Three Houses baby who then played Engage, and am now starting Genealogy, I gotta say that this community is wild. Genealogy seems good, tho. I LiKe ThE sToRy

This was actually so good

I know i already posted a troll post earlier in this comment section. That said in honesty, i do have to say that the art style and fidelity wasn't really talked about in this tier list (chaz briefly mentioned it during the first game) and I think there is a lot that can be delved into when if comes to the fire emblem games as a series. And newer doesn't necessarily mean better *cough* shadow dragons remake *cough* *cough*

YESSSSSSS Ike s tier!!! The gays never stop winning 😭✌ This was soooo much fun to watch!!! I'm only halfway through fe4 rn but y'all's massive dispute over it had me dying laughing. And the sacred stones dunking by Chaz omg 😂😂😂 This was a lot of fun to watch, I was there for all of it haha, here's 1 subscriber you aren't losing for the video

Im more of a casual fire emblem fan. Played the wii radiant dawn and awakening and 3 houses. Im starting FE4 because Chaz praised it so much on his channel. Im not that far into it. But I do not think its that hard to figure out. I only looked at a guide once because my heart felt like ayra could be recruited and I looked it up to see if I could. I dont think its hard to get into, i dont think the mechanics are obtuse. I am disappointed I listened to this while playing because stupid me got spoiled a little bit and I dont know why I didnt expect that. I think its pretty fun. Im liking it a lot so far. I feel like maybe a younger person may have an issue with pace because they grew up in a faster world. But Im really liking it.

I agree on S Tier and blazing being A everything else i don't know it looks fishy for me but what am I to judge it for ps. I started genealogy and hopefully I skipped the spoiler part in this video

i think its interesting how a lot of people make broad statements about fe7's story being bad but then when talking about the specifics like world building and characters it's usually agreed upon that they are great and i think assuming that characters & story aren't inherently tied is a weird assumption since character driven stories are indeed a thing, especially if its a story about a character growing.

I come back to this video way too often and I have no idea why

I’m gonna catch a bunch of flack but my favorite game of all time is Awakening It introduced me to the game allowed me to join this amazing fan base I love the amount of different things you can do Wanna make op units, go ahead Wanna play with only PoR units, go ahead Wanna solo with Robin, go the fuck ahead There is so much customization, great dlc, and perhaps the hardest map in FE history (Apocrafa dlc) and one of the hardest game modes in gaming history (lunatic+) This game has provided me with endless hours of entertainment with the characters, customizable options, and high difficulty options to cover all different types of players Is the story shit? Yes. Does that make this game bad? No. Is the game way too easy? Yes and no. If you wanna complain that it’s too easy play lunatic+ and Apocrafa I will defend this game to the end of time

if new shadow dragon was only given a D tier because supposedly it "nearly killed off the franchise" (even though it sold almost as much as the Tellius games COMBINED) then surely Awakening should be much higher for saving the franchise?

As some one who only watched an LP of Three Houses, this is interesting. I would like to get into this series, but don’t know where to start.