The Undead Warlock Review - D&D's Unearthed Arcana

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4 жыл бұрын

Todd Kenreck and James Haeck discuss the The Undead Patron option for the Warlock in the latest Unearthed Arcana for Dungeons and Dragons 5th Edition.
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@dnddetective
@dnddetective 4 жыл бұрын
@3:45 Warlock extended spells are not always available. You just get to choose them as an option when you are selecting spells.
@diceanddishes3143
@diceanddishes3143 4 жыл бұрын
Wonder if I could take Taliesin Jaffee as my character patron
@Xtra_Medium
@Xtra_Medium 4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does it feel like both these Archetypes were designed by/for Taliesin?
@whowasibeing
@whowasibeing 4 жыл бұрын
I'd allow it.
@StevoM08
@StevoM08 4 жыл бұрын
I mean I think Tal is a GOO but I could see justifying Undead. Lol
@levgoldiner3098
@levgoldiner3098 4 жыл бұрын
How about Sam Riegel LMFAO!!!
@spitfyre8688
@spitfyre8688 4 жыл бұрын
@@levgoldiner3098 Sam is obviously an Archfey. Meanwhile Tal is clearly an undying.
@xavierforget
@xavierforget 4 жыл бұрын
Undead at 20~ hp. Calls out to Wizard in the back, "Get it ready!!!" Warlock runs into large group of enemies, Wizard casts Fireball. Necrotic blast, Fireball... Undying hobbles out of smoke.
@NxtGenDragon
@NxtGenDragon 4 жыл бұрын
Undead*
@xavierforget
@xavierforget 4 жыл бұрын
@@NxtGenDragon Thanks, I didn't notice until you pointed it out.
@TheZandaz
@TheZandaz 4 жыл бұрын
The Undying: You can not kill me The Undead: Death will not stop me
@OccidentalAvian
@OccidentalAvian 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to point out that Warlock's don't automatically know the spells from their expanded spell list. It just adds the spells to their spell list, they still have to select them when they level up.
@TVMAN1997
@TVMAN1997 4 жыл бұрын
I think they know that lol
@dnddetective
@dnddetective 4 жыл бұрын
@@TVMAN1997 @3:45 Evidently not (when he says antilife shell is "always available").
@TVMAN1997
@TVMAN1997 4 жыл бұрын
DnD Detective He means not many classes have access to the spell. I like how you are trying to explain the rules of dnd to the people that work for Dnd/ Dnd beyond. Wow lol
@tristencovarrubias4950
@tristencovarrubias4950 4 жыл бұрын
Lord Soth does not suffer the ridicule of fools. Lord Soth is quick to anger, yet can be quite slow to act... Your insolence has been noted. Beware future dealings with or within the ShadowFell where He is at His most malignant. For when you find your guard wanes only then will He make His intentions known! ....even now, His grasp extends to the Prime Material Plane & His Pact-Minions move amongst you. Perhaps even amongst your party members? Only when they act (or perhaps seemingly fail to...?) will you know that your end has been imminently circling ever closer until the very moment of your carefully culminated corruption!
@robertcox9871
@robertcox9871 4 жыл бұрын
Lord Soth isn't that from dragonlance?
@javierpatag3609
@javierpatag3609 4 жыл бұрын
@@robertcox9871 Yeah, but the Mists pulled him into the Demiplane of Dread and gave him his own realm for awhile. He actually escaped and got back to Krynn later.
@ethantodd4068
@ethantodd4068 4 жыл бұрын
There’s a Dracolich in explorer’s guide to wildemount who’d make a cool patron
@32Loveless50
@32Loveless50 4 жыл бұрын
go for Daurgothoth The Creeping Doom, Black dragon lich. the strongest of all dracolich blessed by Mystra
@joluoto
@joluoto 4 жыл бұрын
@@32Loveless50 I think Greyhawk had some undead former consort of Tiamat. That could be an awesome Dracolich.
@oOPPHOo
@oOPPHOo 4 жыл бұрын
Dragon's make for excellent patrons period, if you ask me. My hexblade has a shadow dragon patron. One of the cool things about dragon patrons is that your typical adventurer isn't much different from a dragon. They go around collecting hoards of treasure so the pact can simply be that: to gather a hoard of treasure and not spend more from it than you add. The DM can easily create hooks that tie things together with your pact. That holy avenger needed by the Paladin to slay the BBEG? "A fine addition to my collection", thinks the shadow dragon as it is happy merely being in the presence of such treasure. Specifically for shadow dragon's, you can make it so that it also likes consuming essence of the shadowfell which can be said to reside within undead (I know it's the plane of negative energy, but there's at least an overlap between the two). Also, shadow pseudo-dragon familiars are cute as heck. Just homebrew them so that they can turn invisible and "become one with their own shadow".
@ethanlocke3604
@ethanlocke3604 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m playing a undead warlock who’s a Dragonborn who’s patron is a dracolich that is one of his ancient ancestors. It’s pretty epic
@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080
@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080 4 жыл бұрын
I am playing an undying warlock and BOY does this look good. I cant wait to switch to this instead.
@javierpatag3609
@javierpatag3609 4 жыл бұрын
I really hope this gets published and becomes official.
@merficvalmar4671
@merficvalmar4671 3 жыл бұрын
I plsytest it those days and boy i love it! Now 2lvl in cleric of twilight for sanctuary and heavy armor and martial weapon prof, and 6lvl in undead warlock with polearm-paktweapon+mastery, devils sight and darkness+ Form if dread 😍🤗
@bulldozer8950
@bulldozer8950 3 жыл бұрын
My understanding is by level 6 you can do 2d10+5 damage per beam of eldritch blast... seems a *little* strong. Maybe changing it so you can’t buff the damage of things you change to necrotic damage could solve this.
@32Loveless50
@32Loveless50 4 жыл бұрын
for a Dracolich patron go for the Creeping Doom, or by his true name Daurgothoth. the strongest of all dracolich blessed by Mystra to keep inventing new spells. but in contrast for what i want for this subclass, i would want it to have medium armor and martial weapon proficiency, it would make it a true contestant for a melee build for warlocks. imagine a Undead warlock running around in bone armor and with a scythe (Glaive) :D
@finderfinder4290
@finderfinder4290 4 жыл бұрын
pact of blade warlocks (which is what I assume you would pick up if you wanted a melee warlock build) can essentially give themselves proficiency with any weapon and armor. Your pact weapon you are automatically proficient with and can turn into any melee weapon, while the eldritch armor invocation allows you to become proficient with any armor you magically don. So you can have your bone armor and scythe with this subclass :D
@32Loveless50
@32Loveless50 4 жыл бұрын
jep wish we get eldritch armor in one of the next books, and with other new invocations also.
@williamings773
@williamings773 4 жыл бұрын
@@32Loveless50 I think it is part of the Variant Class Features UA.
@32Loveless50
@32Loveless50 4 жыл бұрын
@@williamings773 jep it is, but UA is still not certain and subject to change. they put the UA out to play test things, some make it into books some does not, it all depends on the reviews we give. it where from Nov last year. but from what i heard the book after the next one with the ice queen, will be a book a bit like XGtE with subclasses and feats. so we can only hope we get it there. and i see a patterns that they are making psychic and undead themed subclasses atm, so the book after that might be a horror themed book.
@devildham
@devildham 4 жыл бұрын
This new Warlock SCREAMS Talion from Shadow of Mordor.
@aidanbroome822
@aidanbroome822 4 жыл бұрын
THATS SUCH A GOOD COMPARISON
@IamWalkingDead1
@IamWalkingDead1 4 жыл бұрын
ODWENNO O GWATH
@Stefan-xt5sk
@Stefan-xt5sk 4 жыл бұрын
The visual of a person who has ghostly features and powers was my first thought when reading the Form of Dread feature. You're not a servant of a distant undead entity, you share your body with a ghost and struggle for control, which manifests in these short transformations.
@darkbringer1440
@darkbringer1440 4 жыл бұрын
3 Level dip in echo knight makes it better. Can't wait to use this
@LAYOTAM444
@LAYOTAM444 4 жыл бұрын
I hope wildfire druid stays...
@darkmoon2503
@darkmoon2503 3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, this feels like more of a Shadowfell patron than the Hexblade ever was... mostly because it actually uses SHADOWY and FELL magic. So, yeah, color me interested.
@geoffreyperrin4347
@geoffreyperrin4347 4 жыл бұрын
What happens if someone uses spirit projection and the spirit and body are both hit by fireball? It mentions that both gain resistance but doesn't say if the HPs are linked or separate. Would you take double damage? Would they get hurt separately and the soul HP doesn't matter as long as it doesn't go to zero?
@whiskeyhound
@whiskeyhound 4 жыл бұрын
I think that it'd work like meteor swarm, where you can't get hit more than once during the spell even if you're hit by multiple meteors.
@felixrivera895
@felixrivera895 4 жыл бұрын
Looking at the difference between the Undead and the Undying I feel like any theme that falls into avoiding death is what you get for an Undying Warlock, where an Undead Warlock is very much tied to specifically undead creatures. So like, I could see an Undying Warlock being a psuedo Sorcerous Origin where a cosmic or technological disaster ended up putting you down that road. Undead pacts are very deliberate moves made by an ancient entity.
@cwengel22
@cwengel22 4 жыл бұрын
That was actually the correct way to pronounce 'melee'. Such a rare thing to hear the correct pronunciation of that word on KZfaq!
@druid_zephyrus
@druid_zephyrus 4 жыл бұрын
The capstone feature, for me, changes this from blade lock into: B.P.R.D.'s Johann Kraus, from Hellboy
@Lycandros
@Lycandros 4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a Pumpkin King or some sort of Undead with a pumpkin flavoring as a Patron. Throwing fire and necrotic energy.
@dominikwerner4053
@dominikwerner4053 4 жыл бұрын
Nazgul here i come :)
@Grimday18
@Grimday18 4 жыл бұрын
I'm impatiently waiting for this to be added to DND Beyond lol
@Soulessdeeds
@Soulessdeeds 4 жыл бұрын
Been wanting to play a Skeleton "knight". A paladin that died in battle centuries ago. And through "back story" reasons has awaken to find themselves in a tomb. They have sentient thought but can't remember their past. And they don't register as "Undead" nor "living" but something in between. Would be a fun race to RP and delve into why this might happen. Just something that's been pinging around in my head for a while.
@zannyzalonder7057
@zannyzalonder7057 4 жыл бұрын
I did too wonder when i looked at the level 6th feature. when i noticed i figured many might be confused and one way i thought to clearly make it seem powerful still but less confusing. I figured maybe only rolling one more eldritch blast beam or 1 more dice per casting of the spell. so at level 1 it would be treated as it was lv 5 for amount of damage. Also like other abilities they limit the extra damage to only one of the attacks. One way i possible see fixing some confusing tactics some may have with the ability.
@JumboJamStack
@JumboJamStack 4 жыл бұрын
This made me think of the crew of The Black Pearl, from the first Pirates of the Caribbean film
@CitanulsPumpkin
@CitanulsPumpkin 4 жыл бұрын
I love this for a very specific warlock build. Entertainer background tome lock with Shillelagh, and either green flame blade or booming blade. Main weapon is a fancy cane/club and his patron is Jack Skellington.
@knightghaleon
@knightghaleon 4 жыл бұрын
I've been using an Artificer Lich as a patron for my Hexblade in a campaign but I like the idea of going pact of the blade on this. Take that one shield feat from the UA that lets you use a shield freely and use it as a spell focus and you've got a nice setup for a creepy dark warrior.
@ancientswordrage
@ancientswordrage 4 жыл бұрын
I'm compiling a list of Theros Warlock hooks and this is perfect.
@madmagemurdock349
@madmagemurdock349 4 жыл бұрын
So undead and undying, interesting. Would love to have it where an entity gives you power, but gives you either form, like roll to determine which.
@stormbreaker3027
@stormbreaker3027 4 жыл бұрын
So how would you describe the 2 different paths(undying an undead)? Imo looks like undying is in search of immortality either thru means of lichery(vecna), or thru ascension(gilgeam the demigod) tho point is by any means necessary good or bad. However undead looks to focus on the darker aspect as in an undead.
@dashocker760
@dashocker760 4 жыл бұрын
The undead is just your patron. You yourself can be in search of undying
@sethtaylor2911
@sethtaylor2911 4 жыл бұрын
This is certainly a Warlock version of the Phoenix Sorcerer
@lockskelington314
@lockskelington314 4 жыл бұрын
I love this!!! I feel like this gets back into the roots of warlocks becoming extensions of their patrons.
@deanospimoniful
@deanospimoniful 4 жыл бұрын
This seems like a good foundation for a Renfield like character.
@AbyssalDrake88
@AbyssalDrake88 4 жыл бұрын
I plan to do that very thing.
@Shadow1The
@Shadow1The 4 жыл бұрын
One of the next characters i want to play (ive been a DM for many groups, my chances are low to be a PC sigh...but) i want to make a pumpkin headed jack magelock of the raven queen, using an undead aspect of warlock like this as the base
@zenitram514
@zenitram514 4 жыл бұрын
Conquest paladin undead warlock sounds crazy
@TheCyberGoblin
@TheCyberGoblin 4 жыл бұрын
I do like the idea of pairing an Undead Blade Warlock with Zealot Barbarian
@KadarianLord
@KadarianLord 4 жыл бұрын
I look forward to building out some concepts on beyond with this once it is added
@mathiasiversen7848
@mathiasiversen7848 3 жыл бұрын
Would this class be able to survive inside items like a bag of holding seeing as it doesn't breathe?
@samtheactualkenku6205
@samtheactualkenku6205 4 жыл бұрын
So, anybody else want to grab the Agonizing Blast invocation while playing an Undead Warlock?
@Kholan95
@Kholan95 3 жыл бұрын
As a lover of the 3rd edition Dread Necromancer, this patron looks like it's to die for! I cant wair to see the official version.
@fresh2924
@fresh2924 4 жыл бұрын
I love it. I'm a fan of everything undeath, so this easily pleases me. I do feel like it does cross paths with the undying in terms of pact origin, which is something we haven't seen, but I'm not against it. Anyway, here are my thoughts. for the spell list, although false life is very thematic, i doubt many people would choose it over armor of agathys. phantasmal steed is fantastic and i would take it 100% of the time despite its use being very situational for a warlock's limited casting. extra damage in dread form for spells like vampiric touch or enervation is *chef kiss*. the extra damage for an eldritch blaster is strong at lower levels, but ends up being about the same as hex blade's curse. though, you can use your form of dread twice as much initially, and 6 times as often by 17th level. I like the imagery of mortal husk, but I don't understand why your body would explode; it's not a very common undead ability. I think it would be more thematic to have your soul, being so suffused with necrotic energy, lash out before returning to your mortal husk and filling it with stolen life. having the soul or spirit do this would also lead nicely into the next ability, spirit projection. also, to make it less tailored towards melee warlocks, you could have the damage upon death target the thing that took you down. can you use spirit projection continuously? I'm imagining a warlock who keeps their body in a lead-lined adamantine coffin that they drag around and only interact in ghost form. please let this be true.
@h4tch3tt74
@h4tch3tt74 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine a Vengeance Paladin that dies and forms a pact with an undead patron to allow it get Vengeance on the one who killed them
@zwordsman
@zwordsman 4 жыл бұрын
I REALLLY want te Alchemist Artificer to get an update that takes the idea from Grave Touched! They should totally be able to switch their spell damage to their limited damage list!! this one change would fix a ton of its issues with cantrip/damage battle output. since it would let them use all the cantrips.. like the debuff ones! That, and then double up the elixirs (make them equal to profiency in alchemist class) and 1 spell = remake the elixir amount.. class be perfect then. though gravy would be spell list alterations (prayer of healing for one)
@Panic_Pickle
@Panic_Pickle 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine releasing a subclass that doubles the damage from eldritch blast.
@thefracturedbutwhole5475
@thefracturedbutwhole5475 3 жыл бұрын
Only in your form of dread, and it doesn't double the damage, you roll an extra damage dice, you could double it or you could do 1 extra damage, sorcerers can twin firebolt and then quicken firebolt, is that broken? are battlemasters broken? people see an extra damage dice and think it's automatically broken, it isn't, I think a spell like vampiric touch gets more out of grave touched and later on spirit projection, Vampiric touch deals damage and heals you for half the amount of damage, grave touched increases both and spirit projection makes it so you would heal the full amount of damage you did (heal half the damage dealt from vampiric touch and half from spirit projection. From what I can tell the Undead patron Warlock isn't about doing huge damage (although it has some good options) it is more about survivability and control.
@bulldozer8950
@bulldozer8950 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 it sorta feels like it’s built to compete with the power of hexblade (which is okay but really hexblade should just get fixed). I don’t think it’s going to make the average persons build that much stronger, it’ll make them do some extra damage a couple times a day, but for a sorlock mix max it’s definitely gonna increase the damage. This brings a eldritch blast plus quickened eldritch blast at 6th level from (1d10+5)*2*2 (~42) to (2d10+5)*2*2 (64) which is definitely significantly stronger. This obviously only applies to people looking to break the game and maximize damage, but the sorlock isn’t exactly an obscure idea and is still a somewhat cool idea- even if you aren’t looking to min max your way to endless eldritch blasting. All that said, the best way to solve it IMO is just change it to say “this can only apply to one roll of the spell” or “once per turn you can roll one extra dice....” which should solve the issue ( still a pretty good pick but not nearly as op) without sacrificing too much for casual players. I think such a change would be hardly noticed by casual players, at least in how the game plays out, but would solve the min maxing problem. Anyhow, I get where your coming from, but the warlock is generally the component to the terribly strong blasters (due to eldritch blast) and currently the way it’s worked in it benefits those types of min maxed blasters the most
@CelticCubby
@CelticCubby 4 жыл бұрын
I have really liked the idea of a Dragon Warlock, it reminds me of the first Dragonheart movie. Also the naked Spirit Warlock could be fun. LOL.
@zekestafford9584
@zekestafford9584 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys I’m new, when picking a patron can we make one up that isn’t as powerful like a dracolich instead of choosing a named patron or how does this work
@WinterPains
@WinterPains 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Always check with your dm just to be safe, but most would love for you to help add to their world.
@nickm9102
@nickm9102 4 жыл бұрын
Undead blade pact Warlock drow. With Elven Accuracy and focus on EB invocations after devil's sight and improved pact weapon with hex. That is 17 avg per bolt or 16 per blade if a D8 base. Not bad for a cantrip and 1st lvl combo
@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648
@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648 4 жыл бұрын
Woot! Raven queen warlock themed blaster is looking like a darker future!
@LemmonHeadFilms
@LemmonHeadFilms 4 жыл бұрын
Agonizing Blast and lvl 6 with a Charisma of 20 means for one action you can do 4d10+10 necrotic damage WITH A CANTRIP and you can do that as many times as you have actions to cast it. that is something I can see needing toned down.
@peterpoulsen1210
@peterpoulsen1210 3 жыл бұрын
I made a warlock for my brother who wanted to try D&D and he wanted to be a evil Necromancer and I told him this is it, with the summon undead spell from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything and him being a Dimpirr as a lesser vampyr
@Hey-Its-Dingo
@Hey-Its-Dingo 4 жыл бұрын
I had a Wild Soul Sorcerer who was a zombie. She died as a young adventurer, and was revived by some mysterious force. I would love to change her to an Undead Warlock, with a few levels in, maybe Sorcerer again, to signify the class she was when she was alive. The potential multiclass flavor of this subclass is amazing.
@Apokism
@Apokism 2 жыл бұрын
Gith, bard lore/ undead lock summoner style(and generally support.) I follow Vlaakith as my "patron." Been a pot of fun. Only 6 lvls lock and 14 bard to cherry pick spells and it just worked out that way.
@wayneleuchters9193
@wayneleuchters9193 4 жыл бұрын
There was a Dracolich in the novel Spellfire
@samuelreese1816
@samuelreese1816 4 жыл бұрын
I like the capstone, it reminds me of the necromunger leader in chronicle of riddick
@williamfawkes8379
@williamfawkes8379 4 жыл бұрын
Not as much as the Echo Knight class does.
@Thisislameletmein
@Thisislameletmein 4 жыл бұрын
When will it be available in the character builder on dnd beyond?
@bassett_green
@bassett_green 4 жыл бұрын
Grave Touched makes this super powerful. Grab a few sorc levels for Quickened and you and you can do more damage than almost anything else on a single spell
@cagefullofeyes299
@cagefullofeyes299 4 жыл бұрын
YES! Arvin Undead Warlock! Looks like it’s time to make a new character.
@henchman808
@henchman808 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone tell them about Alasklerbanbastos?
@Dwarvenbeardcrafts
@Dwarvenbeardcrafts 4 жыл бұрын
My undying warlocks patron is the dracolich Daurgothoth. He is a forgotten realms cannon dracolich
@matthewsinclair4322
@matthewsinclair4322 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the difference between undying and undead patrons? The names imply that one has achieved immortality and can’t die and the other has already died and came back. But both subclasses use liches as examples as patrons, who I’d think would only count as undying patrons.
@WinterPains
@WinterPains 3 жыл бұрын
Liches are immortal and have stayed off death, but they are considered undead at the same time. They basically became immortal by making themselves undead.
@WinterPains
@WinterPains 3 жыл бұрын
The big difference is that you can also use ascended gods as your Undying patron, whereas Undead is strictly for those that are undead.
@TrampasWhiteman
@TrampasWhiteman 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to play this warlock with Lord Soth or Lord Ausric Krell as my patron in Dragonlance.
@mattitalks6261
@mattitalks6261 4 жыл бұрын
I like the. Sub class but honestly but I am in love with the swordcoast the races and sub classes I honest hate the when I want to play the I have to manually. Enter them in roll20. What I normally play on. So I end up not playing them
@sleepyspartan1367
@sleepyspartan1367 2 жыл бұрын
Once I found this I quickly realized that my warlock paladin would fit this nicely because they actually cursed themselves through a friend so that when they die they'd become a deathknight & this curse is what makes them a warlock
@aidanbroome822
@aidanbroome822 4 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who feels like the extra necrotic damage is crazy?? Like that’s 2d10+CHA two to four times on A CANTRIP?
@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080
@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080 4 жыл бұрын
An easy nerf would just be to have the feature be only able to be used once per turn.
@blacklion8307
@blacklion8307 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd change it so you add a d6, maybe a d4.
@blacklion8307
@blacklion8307 4 жыл бұрын
And even then, I can't help but think about how a Barbarian of the same level only gets +2 Dmg while raging at that Level.
@Xtra_Medium
@Xtra_Medium 4 жыл бұрын
You forgot plus Hex
@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080
@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080 4 жыл бұрын
@@blacklion8307 thats a barbarians rage damage, meaning they're getting half damage from mundane damage while that happens, and even then it scales. Grave touched doesnt, it only gains a single die when you are using your dream form. If you remove the OP eldritch blast interaction its good but it'll taper off.
@catherinecharbonneau584
@catherinecharbonneau584 3 жыл бұрын
can you go in dread form while your in spirit??
@Fernando_Cabanillas
@Fernando_Cabanillas 4 жыл бұрын
I understand that mechanically this 2 are very different and apparently quite a few people preffer the undead patron over the undying patron... but lorewise... what is really the difference? can't the same entity be either? It was mentioned that the undying is very associated with liches and liches are undead... so I fail to see from a lore point of view what differentiates one from the other.
@elekbuday81
@elekbuday81 4 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that the Undying focuses on "undeath as immortality", which is why its features deal with being very difficult to kill and why it's associated with liches specifically. The Undead is applicable to undead more generally, with features involving fear amd necrotic damage.
@Fernando_Cabanillas
@Fernando_Cabanillas 4 жыл бұрын
@@elekbuday81 that is thematically, but my question goes to for example, acererak is a lich yet he is suggested as an undead patron. from a lore point of view he can be either or, so there isnt really much of a difference between them from a lore standpoint.
@r.0.b.429
@r.0.b.429 3 жыл бұрын
While there is overlap the Undying focuses on the extension of life when it comes to necromancy while Undead focuses on pure negative energy. An Undying warlock might make a deal with a powerful necromancer to apply runes to extend their life but might not have the raw necrotic energy to actually make you into an Undead warlock. Meanwhile an Undead warlock might make a deal with a Nightwalker to become saturated with necrotic energy like a sponge, but a nightwalker doesn’t have the abilities nor the want to necessarily extend and safeguard another being’s life.
@Fernando_Cabanillas
@Fernando_Cabanillas 3 жыл бұрын
​@@r.0.b.429 The only case I can think of of an Undying patron that wouldnt qualify as an undead is one prologing their life through the clone spell... and that is a very impractical and expensive approach (Not discarding it, just pointing how unlikely it becomes after a while)... So I would say that basically most of the undying patrons are contained within the undead patrons. Again, i dont disagree that they are mechanically and thematically diferent, just that I dont see much difference between them from a patron's lore point of view.
@cameronpearce5943
@cameronpearce5943 4 жыл бұрын
I had a Centaur Undying Warlock whos patron was their Lich father
@Sturmjaeger
@Sturmjaeger 4 жыл бұрын
Suddenly I'm looking at King Kaius III in a whole new light. You're a loyal agent of your nation, and he grants you power to better serve Karrnath.
@chuckallerston9997
@chuckallerston9997 4 жыл бұрын
I too have a character that keeps his demi lich grandfather's head .Whom worships him and seeks his guidance
@TheCoulsonlax
@TheCoulsonlax 4 жыл бұрын
What about adding the d10 per target?
@davidpencil3576
@davidpencil3576 4 жыл бұрын
Grave Touched makes this subclass better than Hexblade for Eldritch Blasting, but it's harder to dip for a Sorlock so you really need to go full Warlock in a campaign where you can get the Illusionist's Bracers to maximize it. Math below: At Lvl 6: Attack Bonus (8), Target AC (15). Activate Form of Dread just before starting combat. Turn 1: Hex, Eldritch Blast 2x (Avg DPR = 28.75 / 42 with Elven Accuracy Advantage). Turn 2: Using Illusionist's Bracers for double Cantrips (Avg DPR = 57.5 / 84.1 with Adv) At Lvl 11: Attack Bonus (9), Target AC (17). Same setup with Eldritch Blast 3x. Turn 1 (43.1 / 63.1). Turn 2 (86.25 / 126.25). At Lvl 17: Attack Bonus (11), Target AC (19). Same setup with Eldritch Blast 4x. Turn 1 (53.6 / 82.9). Turn 2 (107.2 / 165.8)
@kyleway8513
@kyleway8513 4 жыл бұрын
Didnt Sword Coast have one of these already?
@mattitalks6261
@mattitalks6261 4 жыл бұрын
I like undying batter but I always wants to play that warlock
@dimitriegm2375
@dimitriegm2375 4 жыл бұрын
The undying warlock is dead, this undead warlock comes to dispose of the rest and take his place
@finderfinder4290
@finderfinder4290 4 жыл бұрын
How ironic
@javierpatag3609
@javierpatag3609 4 жыл бұрын
Assuming they publish it and make it official. :-( Until then, that's the one thing that puts the Undying "above" (for lack of a better term) the Undead Warlock. :-(
@lordgeneralmilitantdeezy7550
@lordgeneralmilitantdeezy7550 4 жыл бұрын
I’d honestly prefer undead
@Panic_Pickle
@Panic_Pickle 4 жыл бұрын
Grave touched kills all of the others balance wise. Double damage from eldritch blast for the first ten rounds of most encounters during the day.
@hellentomazin6488
@hellentomazin6488 3 жыл бұрын
Only if they publish gish cantrips in the same book. Something a LOT of people miss about Undying is access to Green Flame Blade and Booming Blade. Something Hexblade doesn't have, for instance.
@nathanpatrick6877
@nathanpatrick6877 4 жыл бұрын
So when can we expect to see this on DDB?
@32Loveless50
@32Loveless50 4 жыл бұрын
it usually take a few days to max a week for them to implement them, depending on how big of an UA it is.
@nathanpatrick6877
@nathanpatrick6877 4 жыл бұрын
@@32Loveless50 awesome. Thanks for the Intel my good goblin.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 4 жыл бұрын
A game on Ravnica benefits greatly from this subclass, because four Guilds dip their toes into the undeath pond. Sure, the Orzhov Syndicate could support Celestial Warlocks, they've got angels, and the Cult of Rakdos is literally a demonic cult, so Archfiend Warlocks are in. But all four Black-colored Guilds have undead. The Orzhov Syndicate is (or was) run by a council of ghosts. Zombies, vampires, and liches abound. It's a good place to be an Undead Warlock.
@sillvvasensei
@sillvvasensei 4 жыл бұрын
Multiclass Sorcerer: Quicken Eldritch Blast + Grave Touch = 16d10+40 damage for 2 sorcery points.
@Altyrell
@Altyrell 4 жыл бұрын
Level 20 Undead Warlock (20 Charisma) using Eldritch Blast with Invocations: Agonizing Blast, Eldritch Spear [Range 300'], Lance of Lethargy 4 Beams = 2d10+5 per Beam = Min 7 Necrotic per Beam ||| Max 25 Necrotic per Beam
@Taven03
@Taven03 4 жыл бұрын
I just wish you got Animate Dead with your expanded spell list
@fresh2924
@fresh2924 4 жыл бұрын
absolutely! except with your spells refreshing on a short rest, you'd have an army. cast, rest, cast, rest... at level 11, you'd create 5 undead with each casting, 3 castings per hour, and in a single day you'd have 360 undead minions. imagine if your dm used this against you.
@Taven03
@Taven03 4 жыл бұрын
@@fresh2924 good point. Maybe make it part of one of your abilities
@REEDSOF9
@REEDSOF9 4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to play Sir Daniel Fortesque from Medieval. Who bargained for the power to be a real hero without realizing he is channeling his own future self. Now just need a good fate based patron.
@reinaldorodrigues8425
@reinaldorodrigues8425 3 жыл бұрын
You could be like a Hexenbiest & Zauberbiest from Grimm! Witah all that Death Hag vibe hehe
@urdaanglospey6666
@urdaanglospey6666 4 жыл бұрын
As a DM, I don't think Grave Touched is broken but it is certainly strong. I think I would tweak it to the first time you hit a given creature in a round, you get the extra die.
@TheZandaz
@TheZandaz 4 жыл бұрын
On whther the additional necrotic damage is OP for Eldritch Blast, at 17th the Warlock could do 100 damage max to a target or 25 to 4 (crits are an option). At 17th, a Wizard can Fireball ~ 16x a day (with Arcane Recovery), which does guarunteed damage and can melt large swathes of enemies. 16 Fireballs at various levels will probs be far more than enough for an average day's combat, so I don't feel it's OP. Also this class loses out on some of the utility or healing of other Warlock patrons.
@rowanjohnson6192
@rowanjohnson6192 4 жыл бұрын
Fear effects don’t give you advantage on attack rolls against the frightened target so there is no synergy with elven accuracy. You should use a greataxe not a great sword so that at 6th level you do 4d12+8 (34) with thirsting blade or 4d12+28 (54) with GWM. It basically makes your great axe always crit if it hits. Compare to Eldrich blast on a normal warlock 2d10 +8 (19) and you see that it does around twice the damage without a feat and substantially more than that with one. Under perfect conditions you could be dealing upwards of 6d12+42 (81) if you hit all three attacks and drop at least one target allowing you to use your bonus action. This seems a little stronger than the other pacts.
@dracoscar4687
@dracoscar4687 4 жыл бұрын
Greatsword is 2d6 though so wouldn’t it technically be the same but with a more consistent average
@rowanjohnson6192
@rowanjohnson6192 4 жыл бұрын
Derian David that is correct until you get to add another damage die with the grave touched feature. It only allows you to add one extra damage die so a great sword attack would be 3d6 (10.5) while a great axe would be 2d12 (13)
@stefanorolando6674
@stefanorolando6674 3 жыл бұрын
Wait, does Mortal Husk mean you don't need to worry about running out of breath underwater? What about poison clouds from traps or spells? And in the warlock considered an undead by spells or is just a magically mutated human, so to speak?
@WinterPains
@WinterPains 3 жыл бұрын
I'll answer in order. 1. Correct. 2. I assume so, unless otherwise stated (like with Cloudkill) (check with your dm just to be sure). 3. They are still considered humanoids (or whatever race they are since the Hexblood from Van Richten's makes your character a fey) for the purpose if spells.
@alexandermackenzie8949
@alexandermackenzie8949 4 жыл бұрын
did anyone else think of a night walker or similar creature as a patron for the undead warlock?
@LAYOTAM444
@LAYOTAM444 4 жыл бұрын
The level 14 feature feels... meh, i'd rather have something else,like the level one feature going permanant or on an off switch, regardless it feels like something is missing
@bobbobby475
@bobbobby475 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah this ability seems more ghostly whereas the rest seems kinda more zombiey
@LegacyHeroGaming
@LegacyHeroGaming 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! As a vampire fan, everything works until the capstone. How am I supposed to flavor this? Especially with that melee bladelock in mind. Really disappointing, so much so I might multiclass to paladin for 10 levels
@psychotech3927
@psychotech3927 4 жыл бұрын
Lord Soth all the way! Loved this character and story.
@LegacyHeroGaming
@LegacyHeroGaming 3 жыл бұрын
I don't like the level 14 ability in regards to theme, if I want to play a vampire character, or have a vampire patron, having myself leave my body like a ghost... that just doesn't work.
@robgau2501
@robgau2501 3 жыл бұрын
It's like they made it for me. Lol. Perfect character option. I would choose this immediately
@jackservans6906
@jackservans6906 3 жыл бұрын
I would have to continue arguing that this is too similar too the Undying warlock, and that I’d love to see more unique warlocks later. After all, a couple of the features of the two are quite similar and the expanded spell lists have nearly half their spells in common.
@IchiroFuma
@IchiroFuma 4 жыл бұрын
I was just being sad that there really wasn't any necro type warlock like a week before this came out. Nice.
@galacticthreat1236
@galacticthreat1236 4 жыл бұрын
I totally see Ludwig from bloodborne either being a hex blade or an undead. This is sick!
@brennonr
@brennonr 4 жыл бұрын
feels like playable Sylvanas from WoW
@Eversmann1980
@Eversmann1980 4 жыл бұрын
So dragonborn warlock for dracolich or take a race with natural attacks for when you go ghost form, hell be an exploding half orc.
@ObservingLibertarian
@ObservingLibertarian 4 жыл бұрын
Well golly gee there guys, could you maybe, perhaps, when you get the opportunity, put the link to the pdf in the description instead of a boatload of advertising? That'd be very helpful.
@mcullennz
@mcullennz 4 жыл бұрын
Makes me think of Lucifer (TV show) showing his his devil face
@williamtorres4140
@williamtorres4140 4 жыл бұрын
Mortal Husk+ 1 Level of Ranger using the Class Features UA to take Tireless and after exploding just.. Short rest remove your Exhaustion point and be ready for next fight. XD
@ronin5402
@ronin5402 4 жыл бұрын
can this subclass be dex based?
@williamjanak2013
@williamjanak2013 4 жыл бұрын
I can see this work with a Fey patron. Just change up the spells a bit and the flavor and your done.
@zwordsman
@zwordsman 4 жыл бұрын
This one would be my favorite warlock subclass now. Absolutely.
@greglong7170
@greglong7170 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Warlock patrons is there one for Dragons?
@finderfinder4290
@finderfinder4290 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly there is no patron for dragons specifically, but I could easily imagine an ancient bronze dragon would make an excellent lurker in the deep patron
@yanderenejoyer
@yanderenejoyer 4 жыл бұрын
Tiamat is a fiend right? That could work.
@greglong7170
@greglong7170 4 жыл бұрын
​@@yanderenejoyer Yeah but I was wanting something more in line with a patron that bestowed dragon based abilities. Kinda like how a Sororcer does the same with the Dragonblooded. And yeah one could play a multiclass but what I really want is just a patronic spin on a dragon as a patron. That's ok, the DMSGuild has plenty of homebrewed ideas until there is an official one. Or maybe I'll homebrew my own and put it online.
@yanderenejoyer
@yanderenejoyer 4 жыл бұрын
@@greglong7170 I see what you mean. But the thing with a dragon patron is just... what would it offer? It can't be too similar to sorcerer. There's also like, 12+ dragons. I like to flavor existing patrons. Archfey has some green dragon taste, fiend has red dragon hints, if it wasn't for the last ability. Anyways, maybe it does have a place. I'll play with the concept too, sounds fun.
@greglong7170
@greglong7170 4 жыл бұрын
@@yanderenejoyer Dragon like abilities? I find it hard to believe that the Sorcerer has cornered the market on dragon inspired themes and that if folks sat down they couldn't find a list of dragon themed ideas that they could do for the Warlock. It's not like the Warlock hasn't overlapped with other classes, such as the Cleric in which several Patrons share themes with Domains and both the Undying and Undead share themes with a Death Cleric or a Necromancer. Plus you wouldn't need one for every dragon. Pretty much all of the Patrons, as it currently stands, has more than one person from which you can draw power from. The Fiend has like hundreds of Fiends to pick from. Both the Undying and Undead have lots of Patrons to choose from. The Otherwordly has the ENTIRETY of the Cthulhu mythos to draw from. The Sorcerer is just one way to do dragon themes and the game has plenty of overlap that allows people to play a variety of similar themes across all kinds of different classes so that you aren't locked into one specific class to play a character with.
@ShadowCoH316
@ShadowCoH316 4 жыл бұрын
You... explode and then reform? You can prevent your own death? This just seems like The Undying all over again. They need to be more distinct than this. The only thing they should share is RAISE DEAD. WHY is Raise Dead not on the expanded spell list? I can flash vampire face but I can't create thralls? This subclass is a huge thematic miss for me.
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