I beat the map before and the only to complete it is to also have every single of your units to have maxed out stats and skills with pair ups. I didn’t even had the dlc classes back then.

@@therealjaystone2344 Training for Apotheosis is a major pain in the ass because on higher difficulties you basically *need* Limit Breaker on all your units and getting that skill requires beating a long ass map over and over again *on top* of grinding for the stats post-Limit Breaker. 🙃

@@heartnet40 and to forge your weapons too

i couldnt get past the chapters for dlc. i got to kellam before i just couldnt fucking do it anymore 😭

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This is pretty much what Conquest Lunatic does which imo was a harder experience than Awakening Lunatic+

​@@Skiringen I feel the opposite

What's the channel?

@@gutsFunnymanKuroiTsubaTenshi / KuroiTTV

Cindered Shadows only goes up to Hard difficulty

@@AkameGaKillfan777 How to tell me you didn't read the full comment, without telling me you didn't read the full comment.

@@lpfan4491 It's literally at the end of your first paragraph. You're thinking of the Fell Xenologue.

@@AkameGaKillfan777 No, I am quite literally not. Read past the first paragraph.

@@lpfan4491 Cindered Shadows only has Hard difficulty, which you DID say otherwise. If you don't like me pointing it out, edit the comment

Lunatic is not fun tbh it's just extremely tedious and limiting in a lot of ways. This is if you don't have the grinding dlc of course

It's a big step up from hard, so much so that it feels like there should be another difficulty in between hard and lunatic. The enemy stats are increased, and your starting squad is really weak except for fred at the start. You also have to deal with awakenings aggressive enemies and ambush reinforcements. On top of that bonus box skirmishes only give you 1exp per kill, so you cant grind efficiently w/o dlc. But i will say that it really encourages you to explore more options when tackling a map. Stuff like not pairing up, tonics and forges really opens new ways to approach maps.

Counter

I agree, the fact that Awakening Lunatic+ is so infamous means people have spent a lot of time on it and pretty consistent solutions have been found. Too many Luna+ and Counter enemies is a rip but by and large, I think even normal Lunatic FE12 is way harder. Reverse Lunatic is much, much more difficult and the difficulty never falls off compared to Lunatic+ Awakening.

@@mauricioalvarezpino1818 That is a skill yes, but there's no map seed that cannot be cleared. People scream "counter aaah can't win now" and that just is not true

To be honest, I think Lunatic+ is harder, but artificially harder, in the sense of RNG skill distributions and all of that. Yes, you can luck your eay to chapter 5 and steamroll the game with NosTank Robin or some other shit, BUT the first few chapters are absolutely in the whims of luck, unlike FE12 L Reverse, where it's ONLY Vantage on enemies

@@GrampsSteel I’ve beaten Lunatic+ Awakening a few times, I agree that conceptually the enemy skills are a huge pain, but also there are only a few skill combinations that are truly unfair to deal with and you have competent units and mechanics like Pair Up. The difficulty also falls out of the bottom after the first 5 or 6 maps. All you really have to do is see how many enemies have Luna+ or Counter and you can reload if the number is too high, and it’s a perk that really all you need is Chrom and Robin once the game picks up because solo Robin is optimal and can carry you the bulk of the game so keeping other units alive, which obviously preferred, isn’t necessary. Also you have Frederick who, even on Lunatic+, is really really powerful earlygame. There are also some pretty thoroughly labbed solutions for several of the maps that are pretty consistent, OBVIOUSLY unless you get unlucky RNG and enemies have the god skill load out. Which does happen, those maps can be simply unfair. Even on Lunatic for FE12, you are in almost as much trouble. They don’t need Hawkeye or Luna+ because every enemy has such good hit rates that you can almost never reliably dodge and even your strongest units will likely be 1 or 2 shot by average enemies (unless you are an overleveled knight Kris). The difficulty also never really falls off, because you don’t have overpowered skills and weapons or mechanics like Pair Up. After 5 or 6 super hard maps, you are still in the prologue, the real game and difficulty spike hasn’t even happened yet. You can also never be at that big of a stat advantage because of how weak most of your units are. There are also such low stat caps that enemies will never not be threatening and eventually just downright superior. Money is tight and the only super good weapons (like Nosferatu and Longbows) are really rare. Then you have really absurd enemy placement and reinforcement zones, bottleneck of money and promotion items, the need for SEVERAL strong units because 1 cannot solo the game, and all of this is without mentioning the 12 move flying dragons that have 1-2 range. Some really important gaiden maps also have hard requirements to meet. Then you give every enemy in the game Vantage+. Half your team needs to be archers, that is criminal. I think normal Lunatic FE12 is much harder than Lunatic+ Awakening, just fewer people have tried it. Reverse Lunatic is just normal Lunatic except somehow far worse. I’ve beaten Lunatic and Reverse Lunatic, and I can solidly say I’d rather do Lunatic+ Awakening any day of the week, at least the hard part will be over after a few hours of throwing yourself against a wall.

It’s hard to say for me. I beat Lunatic reverse blind, with my only prior knowledge of FE12 coming from FE3 book 2. New mystery just makes sense to me in a way that lunatic+ doesn’t for some reason.

@@AdamWithFED I think for me it is a difficulty curve thing. FE12 stays very consistently high in terms of difficulty I feel whereas Lunatic+ is about equally as hard, but only for the first few hours. Goes to show that difficulty is subjective I guess. I honestly don’t think Lunatic+ is that bad, I’ve beaten it so many times (three times lol, I guess it’s not that many) it doesn’t feel intimidating.

abuse pair up and frederick, pretty much

I only beat it because of my Powersaves device

No it is a problem. When all those armor knights near the start in chapter 3 have Aegis+ and Luna+ you basically can't win since they take almost no damage from anything and none of your units can take more than 1 hit. It will put you in some situations, especially early game, where you just can't win.

I can see the appeal of the concept, but it is really poorly implemented. There are straight up setups that you cannot win against, or at least can't win against without relying on the pair up defence-chance to negate some serious damage.

Well for SD, honestly once u get access to forging for effective weapons and u devote some effort to lvling sedgar/wolf, H5 is kind of fine, u do need a gd understanding of the reclass system, the amount of gold u have access each chapter etc

You get warp ch3 and forging + reclassing + riderabane ch4 lol It's much much more fair than awakening lunatic

Who?

@@AkameGaKillfan777 the guy whom Mekkah made a video on with regarding to vaike in awakening

@@mysmallnoman Pretty sure that whole playthrough was done because of a meme

@@AkameGaKillfan777 the guy who brought up the " vaike > robin " was actually SUPER serious tho, especially on Reddit

You break the game just by leveling up normally, Heal tomes/skills are just a safety net, but still easy to access.

That is really funny and also totally understandable.

Reclassing is unlimited on DS.