The UNTOLD History Of Islam

The UNTOLD History Of Islam - Tom Holland

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Tom Holland is an English author who has published best-selling books, like the book Dominion, on topics including classical, medieval history and the origins of Islam. In addition to his writing, he has worked with the BBC to create and host historical television documentaries and presents the radio series Making History. He also hosts a podcast, "The Rest Is History".
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0:00 Intro
1:22 Puritanism
4:03 When Did Absolutism Become A Thing?
8:37 Is Absolutism Uniquely Western?
11:34 Are A Lack Of Problems Responsible For Absolutism?
17:23 Roman Empire/Nazi Invasion Britain
22:03 Was Churchill Pivotal In WW2?
23:54 Favorite Historical Figure?
27:15 Importance Of History
28:52 "Islam: The Untold Story"
33:15 "ISIS The Origins Of Violence"
36:17 ISIS Destruction Stories
39:19 Possible Solution To ISIS?
42:45 "Why I Was Wrong About Christianity"
53:01 Last Words
54:03 Outro

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@WorldViewAlternate Жыл бұрын

The title is based on the documentary that he created, which is one of the reasons why the subject was covered.

@theodoreconstantini2548 Жыл бұрын

Tom is one of the best serious scholars on Islam and the ancient world, his book "in the Sadow of the Sword" is superb.

@hassanmirza2392 6 ай бұрын

He is an Orientalist and a hater of Islam. I recommend Hossain Nasrs works.

@niveditamishra6875 4 ай бұрын

Wow, I so respect Tom for thinking about Yazidis! I wish I could make a token contribution. What those women went through is beyond horrible.

@theshrubberer Ай бұрын

thank you Tom for saying that the advantage of studying history is that "it's interesting"!!! So refreshing to hear. I hate the platitudes that often accompany scholarship and try to justify (needlessly) investigations as "what it tells us about us today" , which I perceive as a childish or narcissistic posture

@petergrimshaw492 Жыл бұрын

Thankyou gents. What an excellent historic-contextual contribution to this modern debate, especially regarding the historicity of cultural Christian ideas.

@michaelhughes7458 Жыл бұрын

Tom should write a book on Mecca as there are no records mentioning Mecca till 741 over 100 years after the death of there prophet Mohammed.

@paulthomas281 Жыл бұрын

@michael hughes The date I believe is 726-728. Around these years, there are dated texts that did mention Mecca.

@michaelhughes7458 Жыл бұрын

@@paulthomas281 can you give us information on where these writing mentions Mecca 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@michaelhughes7458 Жыл бұрын

About a 100 years after Muhammad died my point is Mohammad never lived in Mecca as it never existed then and in the 9th century Mecca was chosen for the religion of islam.

@endpc5166 3 ай бұрын

@@michaelhughes7458 Mecca is a fraµd city. S ee 𝛾t: MECCA's a LIE! 6 main reasons WHY!

@tangosmurfen2376 2 ай бұрын

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@forreals373 6 ай бұрын

If Islam believes in Abraham, then they should exemplify the works of Abraham. He was a man of peace. He let his nephew take the better land. Maybe it’s a place where the three main religions can build upon. Without lies, Islam dies. It is not a religion coming from God-but is very Satanic in theology. God is love, not about revenge, violence, taking away freedom of choice, or violence or subjugation of women. God would never condone sexual mutilation, slavery, lies, etc etc. As a Christian from the west, we need to be bold about the very origins of this religion and expose it for what it is.

@AnthonyL0401 6 ай бұрын

Ah yes, Abraham who was just about to sacrifice his son

@davydeuce 5 ай бұрын

The fictional Abraham according to the ancient texts was far from peaceful. He was a delusional psychopath who believed he was chosen of god, just like all religious narcissists who convince themselves to believe in the superstitions of their ancestors.

@Stargazer-dk6zk 2 ай бұрын

Yeah sure, and thanks Christianity for the crusade, inquisition, conquista, slavery, World War I & II…We need to be bold about Christianity and expose it for what it is.

@senorbb2150 2 ай бұрын

Ah yes, Abraham who made sure all the men's genitals were mutilated.

@pln8503 26 күн бұрын

@@AnthonyL0401 Ah, yes; we see you are not in any way one of wisdom, for the fear of YHWH is the beginning of wisdom.

@hrvad Ай бұрын

I've been on much the same journey as Tom. I had no idea, but reluctantly I've had to admit that there's truth to us living in Christian countries and well, so much is just defined by it, way more than you think of you haven't done a deep dive into the subject.

@corinaijac4381 9 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@MR-dm1gx 2 күн бұрын

Let him make one on Talmud and Torah. And some about the Crusades and the Crusaders.

@NaderAhani-rl1im 10 ай бұрын

I read a book about origin of Islam (The Mysterious Persian prophet ) and the author described the detail about Islam and original Mecca in Afghanistan

@michaelhughes7458 29 күн бұрын

Mecca is a lie in the Islam story and Mohammed growing up there as 1. There is no archaeology in Mecca to the light eighth century CE. 2. There are no writings mentioning Mecca till 741CE.

@Frederer59 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see the look on Richard Dawkins' face if Tom told him that his disgust of idolatry and superstition, is a Christian value. He defines himself by what he lacks.

@jamesstevenson7725 Жыл бұрын

love of superstition is a christian value. Disgust for idolatry is pure christian hipocracy

@avin924 Жыл бұрын

Dawkins is not an historian, Tom is though..

@directinprint Жыл бұрын

I think Dawkins has admitted to being a “cultural Christian”.

@m.patsyfauntleroy9645 10 ай бұрын

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@Frederer59 7 ай бұрын

@@jamesstevenson7725You're conflating superstition with faith. Typical. Absolute scientific materialism is certainly a sin because it negates Beauty and Goodness as essential falsifiers. Science cannot stand alone and can fall into error immediately. The world is not made of matter, it's made of what matters. As for angels and demons? As Science progresses out of materialism it may verify them more than explain them away.

@MR-dm1gx 2 күн бұрын

Cathars followed The book of James the founder of the Jerusalem church.

@clearpupil 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for a great talk. I disagree with Prof Holland’s ideas on Islamic history which have relied heavily on a Eurocentric scholarship. However he is eloquent and compassionate, his broad understanding and balance make his voice one we all need to hear.

@michellepollock9804 4 ай бұрын

I agree. Did you see his long form doc on Islam? I couldn’t wrap my head around the lack of early written sources he claimed to not find and input from Arabic-speaking modern historians? The tone was they simply don’t exist? Idk

@johnschuh8616 5 ай бұрын

To his point about the limitations of talking about the ancient world using English, I one read a comment by a historian of philos0phy that it is very hard for us really to know the mind of someone like Plato since his words have meanings lost by being transmitted to us by the Latin Christian writers of the Middle and early modern worlds. Idealists like Plato and Descartes, for instance lived in different cultural universes. Any Plato the Frenchman read was certainly more like Plotinus, whose thought was a living influence on St. Augustine, the great Latin Father.

@fukpoeslaw3613 3 ай бұрын

Descartes idealist? I'd think dualist.

@johnschuh8616 3 ай бұрын

@@fukpoeslaw3613 Dualism of the sort that creates the mind-body controversy.

@fukpoeslaw3613 3 ай бұрын

@@johnschuh8616 exactly

@yakovmatityahu Жыл бұрын

Please collaborate with Odon Lafontaine, Mel from Islamic origins.

@preapple Жыл бұрын

or read material from the Inara group in Saarbruken.

@StatisticalCat 11 ай бұрын

Mel doesn't know anything about his religion. What to talk of others religion

@cassidycarpede8689 10 ай бұрын

@@StatisticalCatproof ?

@StatisticalCat 10 ай бұрын

@@cassidycarpede8689 watch his video. He is trying to Justify Jesus frim Quran and related materials and Islamoc events. It would appear that his books and scriptures arent doing the job from him. Can he proove to me from Bible that Jesus was God? Show me where Jesus himself says he was God. All the handiwork of a person called as Paul who wrote all this siiting in rome.

@corinaijac4381 8 ай бұрын

Dragostea mea Amon, cât ești de frumos, te iubesc. Corina Miriam Georgeta IJAC 3 oct 2023

@marianneskanland310 6 ай бұрын

Holland speaks at a speed very comfortable for listening: without undue haste, so that the listener can follow what he says in the listener's own thoughts - one has time to decifer, so to speak, even reflect on connections with what one knows. The interviewer speaks twice as fast as he should. Very irritating, disturbing. Is he really professional? Sounds like a school-child, even 'abbreviates' words so that they are not actually recognisable. He should be given some elementary talking to. If he keeps turning up in the program, I won't be watching it.

@danielhall6354 6 ай бұрын

Tom is a good communicator and broadcaster - probably due to his many tv appearances and his amazing podcast

@terryfox9344 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure how "ugly" the history of Islam is, but I agree that the real history has been obscured and therefore untold. "Ugly", I guess is in the eye of the beholder, as I think that certain aspects of Islam's history may be beautiful. The simple fact is that "Islam" did not start in the middle of the desert, with a man named "Muhammed". Rather Arab Umayyed leaders from Syria and Nabatea conquered Jerusalem in the 600s, and the Abbasids from Persia/Mesopotamia conquered them in 750, and started to write "history" to justify their rule and practices. Over time what we know as "Islam" developed. That's the real history that few people are allowed to say.

@hamadalkhalifa2323 Жыл бұрын

You are a liar. The Quran of the University of Birmingham was carbon dated to the period between 570 and 640 AD. What a hating Islamophobe.

@donquixote3927 Жыл бұрын

@@hamadalkhalifa2323 : There are also preserved fragments which certainly pre-date Mo. Definitely a hotch-potch of loan words and existing legends. That Mecca didn’t exist and the Saudi’s prevent archaeology says it all.

@hamadalkhalifa2323 Жыл бұрын

@@donquixote3927 Man. You are full of bs. Stop spreading lies. Say the truth. I am not talking about stupid fragments. The Quran is preserved, and it is unlike anything. Hahaha. Mecca can be found in the Bible and Ancient greek maps. Do research before you attack Islam.

@donquixote3927 Жыл бұрын

@@hamadalkhalifa2323 : I know it must be difficult for you to face but the Greeks, and Romans, for that matter, were meticulous about map-making, and I’m afraid Mecca wasn’t there, never mind Abraham.

@hamadalkhalifa2323 Жыл бұрын

@@donquixote3927 Many cities throughout history are not mentioned in maps. They didn't have the technology to pinpoint the exact location. You are wasting your time instead of searching for the truth within Islam and saving your soul.

@Whoknows19769 2 ай бұрын

WE ARE ALL ONE.

@dumpster_fiyah 8 күн бұрын

It's interesting. Slavoj Zizek, leftist philosopher, also thinks that you can't have atheism without Christianity. Can't think of someone more different than Tom.

@OddawallWood 4 ай бұрын

Can you find any truth in the story that Churchill, on his way to Parliament, talked to people in the Underground who told him to fight Hitler.

@trevormorgan2636 9 күн бұрын

It was on a bus

@user-gl9hu5bb7n Жыл бұрын

We need Arabic translation cc

@hamadalkhalifa2323 Жыл бұрын

Arabic translation for his lies. You are a fool.

@corinaijac4381 9 ай бұрын

So funny, trueth behind islam when blood was mixed. On our beach lives a guy, son of a romanian women-her father is an adopted child...- with an arab but from the indians, so he is arab has indian gipsy blood. So, his son was baptised by my brother, physician like me. My brother worked, at a time in the russian cosmonautik city, had no spoken tears..., I love him very much. This baptised son uses legitimate A.I. I'm orthodox, how coul my brother be otherwelse, and, in conclusion, this baptised person is orthodox. What could i say. He is the dino chasing bycicles eating my garden, still one of us. And Tommy is invited too, i would say, only he was saved by real belief of western believers, to them i'm deeply greatfull. Corina Ijac, physician

@consiglieremusick9079 3 ай бұрын

Nah, he's in error saying that Christianity is evolving. The scriptures are the same as they have always been. People are just trying to change them to suit their lifestyles.

@den8863 Ай бұрын

It evolves as culture evolves. Abortion was not a thing until recently. The church then confronted the issue.

@MB-nx9tq 24 күн бұрын

The scriptures are in error and have been edited and redacted many times, the scriptures are also contradictory as they were written over a thousand year period and this is the source of the incredible schismatic nature of the Christian religion.

@retromograph3893 Жыл бұрын

The word is puritanism, not puratism…

@paulthomas281 Жыл бұрын

@RETRO MoGraph I believe the host is German. Forgive the mistake. I make many in German.

@retromograph3893 Жыл бұрын

He sounds South African to me!

@paulthomas281 Жыл бұрын

@@retromograph3893 Oh interesting.

@paulthomas281 Жыл бұрын

@@retromograph3893 Yes you're right. He is South African. It was mentioned he is from South Africa.

@philipabraham4613 7 ай бұрын

He sure do talk fast.

@joebombero1 11 ай бұрын

A recipe book is, according to the interviewer, absolutism. Follow these rules, or else. Of course if you do not faithfully follow the recipe, your product will be inferior. Mathematics is absolutism. Believe in every number, follow the teachings faithfully, filled with faith, or you will end up with a pile of scribbling meaning nothing. Thus Christianity is not "absolutism" but simply faithfully passing on to the next generation the teachings of the Apostles. Each member of each generation tests the religious teachings for themselves and decides if this is truth, like Math or the recipe book, or a pile of useless scribbling.

@corinaijac4381 9 ай бұрын

sorry, year 2013, when Tommy was a tremondous admirer of an gipsy without medical diploma, as their personal employee psychiatrist without medical degree Carmen Chirilă, and hore of arabian, with precise goals of chemical castration or otherwise of romanians, when Tommy was in Sebeș, near Sibiu, my place of birth, not them's. dr Corina IJAC 2023

@christophergame7977 4 ай бұрын

I am sorry and surprised to see Tom apparently gulled by the climate change scam.

@Zarghaam12 16 күн бұрын

Tom Holland lacks the instruments to do this analysis. I admire his works dealing with Europe of antiquity and Christianity in EUROPE - NOT THE MIDDLE EAST, as of the latter he knows very little, He knows even less about Islamic history!

@user-eu5nx4ek9u 8 ай бұрын

I am serious without bias.

@grandoldpartisan8170 Жыл бұрын

A historian should know that the climate has always changed.

@tibbar1000 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that comment. It needed to be said.

@theodoreconstantini2548 Жыл бұрын

He did not argue that the climate doesn't change over time. But you don't believe in man made climate change.

@chrisc7265 9 ай бұрын

I don't think it started changing until Muhammad, in my opinion it is Islam's fault

@zorothe9th 8 ай бұрын

@@chrisc7265what does it mean by "climate"?

@bozdowleder2303 2 ай бұрын

That is common knowledge. At what rate and by what causes? If at a given moment, human activity is accelerating it, shouldn't you do what you can to stop it?

@Zero-vt5qw 2 ай бұрын

You lost me at herodotus the father of lies and propaganda been your favourite guy

@mutasimsardar 8 ай бұрын

35:10 toms language describing mushrikeen here is super-biased and inflammatory in nature. How does he blame the religious beliefs on a fluid and volatile political environment with roots going back generations? How does he talk about slavery and rape when western countries are the number one destination of human sex traffickers in the world? Shows he doesn’t understand the Islamic world as much as he thinks and he will only be happy with the Middle East under colonial influence.

@MAX-tw3qz 5 ай бұрын

And who do you think are their customers? They feed their own lusts. Rape and slavery are actually enshrined in Qur'an. Divinely sanctioned. In other words seen as religious activities to degrade kufr. The roots of Islam are in a few books teaching warfare courtesy of ancient pagan Arabs.

@bastianleejones 5 ай бұрын

The islamic political ideology killed allegedly 270 Mio people - and enforced slavery (well - if women are regarded as objects that you own - it is still a subjugating unethical system and teaching). Understanding hudna and taqiyya, abrogation the trilogy and dualism - then we can´t bet that islam will ever be reformable.

@_A-qg5vf 4 ай бұрын

@@MAX-tw3qz show me the rape in the quran or the hadith and i will leave islam. did you know that slapping a slave is a major sin that is enough to obligate the owner to free the slave for repentance? secondly slavery is completely optional and freeing or forgiving them completely without anything in-return as what the prophet muhammed did to those who fought him are rewardable and encouraged. also slavery in islamic is completely different than in non-islamic context a muslim has to treat them as equals & he is always encouraged to free them, and enslaving process is only done on the enemy's soldiers and that is done on purpose obviously..

@MAX-tw3qz 4 ай бұрын

@@_A-qg5vf You do know we are talking hundreds of millions of slaves who never got to experience anything like your imagination.

@wa1-marketing955 25 күн бұрын

@@_A-qg5vf So does that apply if the slave is a Dimmi? Because at the heart of Islam is theft. Theft of the value created and added by Judeo-Christian values and economy. Islam has from the very outset been based on taking by force from those who have. Medina anyone? (Aka Hudaybeeya, as PLO leader Yasser Arafat refereed to it) When Islam made a deal with the city's inhabitants to last 10 years, then invaded after 8, breaking their truth. Dishonourable except amongst their own .

@techbetold 6 ай бұрын

much of tom hollands work is based on his own theory, without any factual evidence to back his claims. he is focusing too much on the ‘what if’ rather than what happened historically.

@getsmartmedia444 8 ай бұрын

Who and why does anyone really care about the religion? Answer: No one!

@danielhall6354 6 ай бұрын

because it was a central and key component in the lives of most people for most of human history - you can't get a real handle on a time period without understanding religion

@_A-qg5vf 4 ай бұрын

well 7 billion peoples do, i don't know about you

@DC-wp6oj 10 ай бұрын

Watched Toms talk on Islam. How this guy can be considered a serious historian is beyond a joke. So many times he was stating ‘the Quran says this’ yet when you look it up it says nothing of the sort. The history he presents is not endorsed by any serious historian. A mish mash of loosely connected information to produce a narrative and some controversy raise his own profile and sell books. Woefully bad and should be stripped of the title ‘historian’.

@MrSra24 8 ай бұрын

You mught be right, he is more a journalist. Yet, the experts he had on his documentary were reliable. And they stated facts and not the kind of facts (🦜) uncle Sharif shared with you...😊

@DC-wp6oj 8 ай бұрын

@@MrSra24 you’ll have to state what ‘facts’ were told by the experts. I can’t respond to your comment otherwise

@MrSra24 8 ай бұрын

@@DC-wp6oj First you have to know what Islam claims. I have this notion you aren't aware of these claims. So read your scriptures carefully and research it. Before you ever doubt the scholar who lectures at Princeton, speaks 15 languages and has acces to the historical documents of Quran. (Your first and main comment)

@techbetold 6 ай бұрын

so what if he teaches at princetown and speaks 15 languages? his knowledge on Islam is very limited, and is based primarily on conjecture and theory of his own. theory is not fact. he is filling his own made gaps with his own interpretation/beliefs.

@MrSra24 6 ай бұрын

@@techbetold He is filling the gaps because they are present in Islam. Like a muslim preacher 2 years ago told: "There are holes in the narrative" (Yasir Quadhi)

@pardeepparkash398 6 ай бұрын

The problem isn't Islam, it's Abraham..

@abbasjina8041 Жыл бұрын

Do your research with an unbiased view U biased What a waste

@davidlowen7802 11 ай бұрын

Muslims cannot abide honest exegesis, because it exposes the flaky provenace of Islam; the so-called prophet was not in contact with God, but with his own disfunctional mind.

@_A-qg5vf 4 ай бұрын

@@davidlowen7802 sure everyone muslim should appreciate a lie that demonizes islam & muslims based on stereotypes or very much radical interruption of islam excluding the grand context of islam which is hadith, biography of the prophet and the consensus of the scholars, which two blillion muslim actually do believe not that 0.001% of them who are bloodthirsty radicals who's prime target & victims are actually their fellow muslims but to a laymen like you it makes perfect sense