The Upstairs Lounge Tragedy (feat. InRangeTV)

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Atun-Shei Films

Atun-Shei Films

Жыл бұрын

In 1973, an arsonist attacked a gay bar in the French Quarter, killing thirty-two people. In the aftermath of the tragedy, the LGBTQ+ community of New Orleans faced ridicule, bigotry, and injustice from the media, law enforcement, and local government, forcing them to agitate openly for their rights and dignity.
The fire at the Upstairs Lounge would prove to be a seminal moment in the history of gay liberation. Join me and ‪@InrangeTv‬ as we explore the history and legacy of this horrific tragedy and the civil rights movement it helped spawn.
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~SOURCES~
Robert W. Fieseler. Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Upstairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation (2018). Liveright Publishing
Robert W. Fieseler. “The Upstairs Lounge Fire.” 64Parishes 64parishes.org/entry/the-up-s...
Lynn Jordan, Skylar Fein, Johnny Townsend, and Henry Kubicki. “The Upstairs Lounge Fire Gallery.” LGBT Religious Archives Network exhibits.lgbtran.org/exhibits...

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@grapeshot
@grapeshot Жыл бұрын
There is a documentary about one of the victims of this fire that wasn't identified for over 40 years. And his family didn't even know he had died in the fire. He just left one day and never came back. They thought that he was mad at the family but that turned out not to be the case at all.
@seandawson5899
@seandawson5899 Жыл бұрын
Do you know the name of the documentary
@jtgd
@jtgd Жыл бұрын
That’s sad
@prinpelletier7754
@prinpelletier7754 Жыл бұрын
If you possibly know the name of a documentary or can provide a link to it I'm sure many of us would be grateful to dive a deeper into this story.
@grapeshot
@grapeshot Жыл бұрын
@@prinpelletier7754 Pride and Prejudice story of The Upstairs Lounge Fire.
@grapeshot
@grapeshot Жыл бұрын
@@seandawson5899 Pride and Prejudice story of The Upstairs Lounge Fire.
@spaguettoltd.7933
@spaguettoltd.7933 Жыл бұрын
I fucking love Karl. He’s the bravest gun-tuber for being outspoken about everyone’s rights
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@grantellis9673
@grantellis9673 Жыл бұрын
@@InrangeTv Also great taste in music. Thanks for introducing me to Babyland!
@noahsherwood2445
@noahsherwood2445 Жыл бұрын
he's also not a mega chud
@brianmorsn4547
@brianmorsn4547 Жыл бұрын
@@InrangeTv will ant shei films collab with Ian from Forgetting Weapons
@_gungrave_6802
@_gungrave_6802 Жыл бұрын
@@brianmorsn4547 I doubt that as their content doesn't really crossover at all. Ian is more about the history of firearms and the mechanics of how they function where as Atun Shei is more about actual history and debating the politics of certain eras.
@paulconrad2561
@paulconrad2561 Жыл бұрын
Karl and Atun as 68 year old bi man I remember the fear and terror of those days. I was only 19 then, and did not know about this until tonight. I came out to my parents about 2 years later, and my father refused to talk to me for almost ten years. I was lucky, because I worked in the gay community, not so for many of my friends at that time. I am now old, alone (widower twice husband (also best man at my straight wedding) and my wife and I don't care who knows. There are many young LBGTQ people out there who still need understanding and acceptance, Putting away my soap box, great job Karl and Atun thank you.
@Hiro1oo1
@Hiro1oo1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your story.
@Frieza287
@Frieza287 Жыл бұрын
It's strange for me to come across older men who are queer or accepting of queer people, most of the time old guys sneer or make jokes at my expense when I tell them I'm gay or a feminine boy. I'm 24, I live with my dad who is 67, and even though he's told me several times that I can tell him anything, it's still so difficult to bring myself to come out to him and express my queerness and my femininity, given his generation and worries that he might not understand me. Although, I do know he's more open and understanding than most his age, so it's mostly a matter of overcoming my incredible shyness and embarrassment about not conforming to my gender's norms. I'm writing this because I read your story and it warmed my heart to find someone of that same age group who has lived the queer lifestyle for most of their adult life. It lifts my spirits and gives me hope that I'll find acceptance for who I am from those I love.
@Cemi_Mhikku
@Cemi_Mhikku Жыл бұрын
@@Frieza287 Don't be so hard on yourself, it's a hard thing you've done, and you are still used to the norms you grew up with of his generation. It'll take some time, but you' ll get there; I (36) didn't come out to my mum (65) until I was about 21 or so, and it took me at least a decade to fully stop expecting a sudden reversal from her, even with all she'd done to support me over the years. All that trauma we grow up with takes some serious work to get past. And I mean, with how much nasty shit comes from within the GRSM (Gender Romantic and Sexual Minorities: it's a much more inclusive and less cumbersome acronym) of that age range towards those of us who are younger or otherwise don't fit 'their image' of what we should be.... Again, all shit I had to sort through when I was trying to actually come to terms with an accepting Baby Boomer parent. ♥(sorry for the ramble, insomnia is a bitch, but I couldn't just leave it unsaid)
@guishenStreetB
@guishenStreetB Жыл бұрын
Ty for your story
@Lucasp110
@Lucasp110 Жыл бұрын
​@@Frieza287 ya know, it does seem like you value your relationship with your pops/are close to him. So I do have to say: have you considered the possibility that he already knows/suspects and repeating "you can tell me anything" is a disguised "i know already, take the hint and come out"? Since I have limited information, I can be really wrong and apologize if so. Hope everything works out fine
@arthurbriand2175
@arthurbriand2175 Жыл бұрын
Atun shei sometimes surprises me but never disappoints with his choice of content.
@AdamOwenBrowning
@AdamOwenBrowning Жыл бұрын
very well said. i can never guess what's coming next, but it's always good stuff and I learn about something I perhaps otherwise wouldn't have chosen to dig into.
@richmanifesto1090
@richmanifesto1090 Жыл бұрын
He's good for the "why is this the first time I'm hearing about this" topics
@goldencalf13
@goldencalf13 Жыл бұрын
@@richmanifesto1090 my go to channel for sharing those revelations
@Ducaso
@Ducaso Жыл бұрын
Yes, that is a good way to describe it.
@user-pc8tb7hg1lHandlesRDumb
@user-pc8tb7hg1lHandlesRDumb Жыл бұрын
@@richmanifesto1090 except he is emotionless and momotone
@MetallicaMan76
@MetallicaMan76 Жыл бұрын
Atun-Shei pushing that envelope with above and beyond content. Bravo sir, you're truly an asset to the world. Let no one tell you otherwise.
@MichaelSmith-zo3tf
@MichaelSmith-zo3tf Жыл бұрын
Oh boy, this has been a whirlwind of a past couple of hours. I've lived in Louisiana since the mid-90's, but have had family here since the 80's. My boyfriend sent me this video and immediately from the start, I said to myself, "I recognize that corner!" It's kind of surreal to see a documentary on a place where you've literally stood. As well as being gay myself, I have a sister who's gay and was active in the French Quarter in the 80's. I was shocked to have never heard about this, and I asked her if she had. I barely got past "fire in a gay bar in the early 70's" before she started rattling off all sorts of details, names, everything. She had known people who had been there that night, and had become friends with them. She even said that I had met some of them when I was a kid: describing a towering 6'8" redheaded transwoman named Miss Fury. Once she'd dug out a picture of Miss Fury, I recognized her immediately. It was surreal to have - just now - realized that I had met someone who had been there that night. It's shocking to have not have heard of this until today. While I'm not originally from Louisiana, I've been here long enough to know that - while shocking - it's not surprising that I hadn't heard about this until now. Thankfully, we've come a long way since then, and we've certainly got a long way to go. But thank you so very much for unearthing this piece of not only LBGTQ+ history, but New Orleans history.
@sleepyandroid6904
@sleepyandroid6904 Жыл бұрын
Miss Fury is the coolest fucking name ever, holy shit.
@skywarren4470
@skywarren4470 Жыл бұрын
Miss Fury sounds amazing.
@mirrorXshard
@mirrorXshard Жыл бұрын
@@sleepyandroid6904 I want a comic book yesterday.
@greyfells2829
@greyfells2829 Жыл бұрын
InRange have covered some surprising stuff, always happy to see them improving the image of gun owners and showing that we're not all cop-worshipping bigots.
@burninsherman1037
@burninsherman1037 Жыл бұрын
Thankfully, alot more of us queer, left, etc. gun owners have started to become more visible in recent years. Especially since it may help deter some of the bigots who've been getting so scary lately from trying to act on their hateful beliefs knowing that they may end up trying to bash someone who's strapped.
@METT-TC
@METT-TC Жыл бұрын
EVERY COLAB WITH INRANGE IS FANTASTIC. KEEP PUTTING THIS SHIT OUT, THE WORLD NEEDS IT. From one dedicated fan, thank you so much.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@dinosaurstwice4959
@dinosaurstwice4959 Жыл бұрын
@@InrangeTv I love you karl.
@curvilinearcube8716
@curvilinearcube8716 Жыл бұрын
I dont think the editing in any documentary I've ever seen has so perfectly conveyed how sudden and horrific a tragedy was as the sudden shift from images within the bar to the aftermath at 6:44 excellent work and thank you for putting such hard work into a piece about an event with so much impact that in most circles is probably completely unheard of.
@altf4217
@altf4217 Жыл бұрын
The transition at 01:00 was also pretty good.
@snazzygoose1149
@snazzygoose1149 Жыл бұрын
I think the sound cutting really sinks it in as well, very jarring and conveys a sense of shock that adding "fire sounds" would have completely undercut.
@AtunSheiFilms
@AtunSheiFilms Жыл бұрын
@@snazzygoose1149 The scariest sound is silence - the sound of the grave.
@chrisrice7844
@chrisrice7844 Жыл бұрын
@@AtunSheiFilms sadly, that silence was immediately broken by a Spectrum Internet Ad. Which went very inline with the rest of the video as far as other media was concerned.
@margaretwordnerd5210
@margaretwordnerd5210 6 ай бұрын
@@AtunSheiFilms the sudden silence and horrific image was *painful*. Well done!✌🖖
@StefanMilo
@StefanMilo Жыл бұрын
Wow this was horrifying but it's great to shine a light on historical events that many don't know about.
@brandonwilliams508
@brandonwilliams508 Жыл бұрын
I never doubted that either of you were allies but, the conformation that you two are in fact sane is comforting.
@tiltiege7842
@tiltiege7842 Жыл бұрын
I am totally straight, but the way you both described the UpStairs I thought: "Damn, this sounds nice. This sounds like a great place that I probably would have enjoyed." Inclusivety is great for everyone, even thou the marginalized need it most. I'll put this on my list of locations to visit once time travel gets invented.
@czane1526
@czane1526 Жыл бұрын
Everyone can have fun around marginalized groups I've learned. As long as you accept them they accept you, because they know exactly how awful it feels to not have a place to call home.
@jacobogonzalez6383
@jacobogonzalez6383 Жыл бұрын
Just make sure not to visit it that night
@williamperkins9125
@williamperkins9125 Жыл бұрын
In my experience, heterosexuals have always been welcomed into gay bars, especially in the south. The main reason gay bars even exist is because the opposite is rarely ever true. At a gay bar, it’s like joining someone’s family cookout.
@jackryan444
@jackryan444 Жыл бұрын
“Straight friendly” bars have long been my favorite places to hang out. I would have gladly spent time and money at the Upstairs Lounge.
@Redmenace96
@Redmenace96 Жыл бұрын
The best bars are where people mix. Queer bars were underground. The people had to keep their identity secret at the workplace, but could be themselves in the bar. (as the boys describe) Talking would commence, and you could really learn a lot, and have a good time. Your comment is great, because you get to the heart of it- marginalized groups are better at accepting you the way you are, and being fine company.
@lorifrazer-ki5ez
@lorifrazer-ki5ez Жыл бұрын
We will be in New Orleans for the 50 year honoring of the fire. My husband’s Uncle, Ferris LeBlanc was killed in this fire, and our family, along with many wonderful people are still fighting to get his body back for a proper burial.
@LoneTophat
@LoneTophat Жыл бұрын
I rarely comment on KZfaq videos, but I feel the need to briefly tell my story just in case there are LGBT+ folks reading the comments who either haven’t come out yet, or simply can’t do so safely due to their circumstances. I grew up in rural Maine, with a French Catholic family (québécois roots are common this far north). I knew I was effeminate from a young age, and my school yard peers bullied me mercilessly starting in 4th grade until I eventually dropped out of high school to attend adult education. I eventually did graduate high school and, through the help of some inspiring educators, attended college in Southern Maine. I had only been to “the City” (Portland) twice before in my life. I’ve met so many amazing queer people here, and it’s truly become my home after six years of living in town. The space that provided me the freedom to be myself, dress, act, present, and enjoy life in only the unique way I can, was our local gay bar. It was intimidating at first as a young person walking into a warhorse of an establishment, but within time I became a regular who is still greeted with hugs and smiles every time I walk in. Having an active and accepting social life is frankly life saving for LGBT+ people. If I hadn’t have escaped my rural predicament to find my community, I believe I would’ve taken my own life. If you’re a young LGBT+ person reading this, or an older one, just know that you are not alone.
@AtunSheiFilms
@AtunSheiFilms Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your story.
@czane1526
@czane1526 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing, I love you, stranger, and I'm glad you found a place here and are still around
@scottessery100
@scottessery100 Жыл бұрын
The social acceptance of hate and normalisation of violence is truly damaging and sadly so many of your great videos contain these two things in spades
@burninsherman1037
@burninsherman1037 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, friend. Both for sharing your story, and offering some encouraging words to those of us who aren't able to safely be out. I am to some folks, but not to many. Living in rural Oklahoma, it's risky.
@Reflox1
@Reflox1 Жыл бұрын
Also don't forget that maybe your family isn't as bigoted as you think it is. My brother thought for years we'd cut him off or at least judge him for being gay, not realizing we already knew and didn't care. My father told him to just out himself already instead of dancing around the issue like a moron, he'd be a lot more free. Like come on, which straight guy never talks about girls, never had a relationship and hangs up artsy black and white pictures of shirtless men like how can you think this is low-key.
@tehdmanvids3
@tehdmanvids3 Жыл бұрын
The moment he said "The tragedy was over," I realized I'd been holding my breath through almost that whole description of events. The way that it only seemed to get more and more intense, the descriptions so much more vivid and horrific, it was only when it had finally drawn to a close that I felt I could breathe again. As genuinely unpleasant an experience as that was, I think it's a crime that I'm only learning about this tragedy now, and not so much sooner.
@adeadmilkman1071
@adeadmilkman1071 Жыл бұрын
Thank you both for having an immensely important conversation such as this. As you said, it is essential that we bring light to injustices and tragedies such as this (victims of selective amnesia after all) as a reminder of what those who came before fought for and won, and what's at stake when rights are actively being eroded away. Keep up the good fight and great work as always!
@kevindevine5102
@kevindevine5102 Жыл бұрын
I was 18 in 1973. We never heard about this. This is the first I've heard of it. I knew about the cruelty of homophobia from my oldest and closet friend. Watching what he went thru taught me a great deal about society. Thank you for this video.
@billzero7274
@billzero7274 9 ай бұрын
I am a 67 yo married gay man. I have lived in the closet during my late teens through my 50s. We have made progress in the fight for our civil rights and equally, the fight must continue The Republican party is trying to take us back to the 1960s and 70s. We will NEVER return to those days! The younger generation does not understand what life was like in the not so distant past. History is trying to report itself now in 2023. We will never give up the fight
@captainvladmir7535
@captainvladmir7535 Жыл бұрын
Ya'll both are some of the best on KZfaq for shining a floodlight on parts of history that a lot of people in the U.S. would like to forget. Deep respect and appreciation from me guys, keep at it.
@SpoopySquid
@SpoopySquid Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile people like Tucker Carlson and Matt Walsh publicly said the Club Q victims deserved what happened. The more things change... 😢
@annabellelee4535
@annabellelee4535 Ай бұрын
Except they've never said that. Why are you spreading misinformation?
@RedTSquared
@RedTSquared Жыл бұрын
InRange sent me here. Karl is a great presenter of all things, not just firearms. Thank you both for bringing this to our attention.
@calvinmendoza7911
@calvinmendoza7911 Жыл бұрын
The hard cut from the pictures of people enjoying themselves in the bar to the aftermath of the fire was incredibly jarring. But in a good way. Amazing video
@chadcolomb4260
@chadcolomb4260 Жыл бұрын
My grandparents are from New Orleans, so I’ve been to this beautiful city many times and never heard of this story. Thanks!
@Cybermat47
@Cybermat47 Жыл бұрын
I’ve taken to watching your videos while doing easygoing stuff in video games. For this one, I had to stop and hold back tears. Thank you for keeping these people’s stories and their inspirational resilience in the face of tragedy and bigotry alive.
@np6869
@np6869 Жыл бұрын
It's absolutely horrible that this whole tragedy was swept under the rug. I was a bartender. In a gay bar. In New Orleans. And I am ashamed that I had never heard of this incident. It is easy to forget that so many people made sacrifices and fought for the things we take for granted today.
@TheAntiburglar
@TheAntiburglar Жыл бұрын
I was going to show this video to a friend of mine who has a number of LGBTQ friends, but the description of the actual fire has brought me to tears and turned my stomach and I don't want to ruin her day. As someone who is LGBTQ myself, and someone who doesn't really talk about it to the majority of my family, this hurts. This hurts a lot.
@Reilly-Maresca
@Reilly-Maresca Жыл бұрын
Both of you show a courage I’ve found so disappointingly lacking in both popular “history-tube” and certainly “guntube” circles. I can’t imagine many other channels I follow telling this story. Maybe that’s a fault of me only focusing on a narrow slice of the platform, but I feel like to some extent it’s also a fault of the community to which you both provide a glimmering exception. I respect you two like I respect very few people on this platform.
@kmaher1424
@kmaher1424 Жыл бұрын
Atun Shei at his best: when he surprises me A colboration on New Orleans history dealing with human rights is not new. But this happened in living memory, unlike a failed slave revolt Homophobia is once again a political talking point for some... Thank you.
@catintheukulelecase1973
@catintheukulelecase1973 Жыл бұрын
Did you mean Homophobia?
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
Checkmate Lincolnites is the gateway drug to the VVitchfinder General, which is the gateway drug to New Orleans history
@SarumanOrthanc
@SarumanOrthanc Жыл бұрын
I hate blood, I hate blood!
@Smile4theKillCam456
@Smile4theKillCam456 Жыл бұрын
@@SarumanOrthanc I hate the Antichrist! I hate the antichrist!
@SpoopySquid
@SpoopySquid Жыл бұрын
​@@SarumanOrthanc SARUMAN THE STINKY!
@history_by_lamplight
@history_by_lamplight Жыл бұрын
My own life as an LGBT person has been terrifying enough, fraught with violence, menacing, alienation, career sabotage, and loss of family - and I'm a Millennial. This event you've covered so well happened about a decade before I was born, and life as an LGBT person would have been unimaginably terrifying - so much more than in my own time (which was REALLY recently). The fact that two presenters as esteemed as you and InRange can talk openly about this is pretty remarkable, but I think it's equally remarkable that we, as a society, can still contemplate locking LGBT people back in the closet. TL;DR - I don't know whether to feel relieved or terrified. But thank you so much for teaching us about this event - something that I'm honestly angry I didn't know about.
@VideoHostSite
@VideoHostSite Жыл бұрын
Funny thing- I grew up in gay in Utah, the straightest, most religious, Republican place on the planet, and I experienced nothing but love and support from my family and community. But I guess that story doesn't earn any Guilt Points with young white Liberals who are desperate to build a narrative about how cartoonishly evil everyone else in America is.
@buddy8225
@buddy8225 Жыл бұрын
I did a report on the Stonewall riots for my Sociology class. This video was mind blowing 🤯. Thanks for sharing
@noahsherwood2445
@noahsherwood2445 Жыл бұрын
My great-uncle is gay and he was very lucky to be accepted by much of our family and he knew folks who died in the fire and he still recounts the horror of it all as well as people's indifference.
@margaretwordnerd5210
@margaretwordnerd5210 6 ай бұрын
I was 17, in Missouri. Didn't hear a word about it at the time. In 1976 a gay friend mentioned it but didn't know the name of the place. I've never heard the details until now. Please tell your great uncle that I sympathize with his loss and how hard it was in those times.✌🖖
@pinkeye00
@pinkeye00 Жыл бұрын
Thank you #inrangetv for being historically expansive and socially concious. I am proud I follow you and Ian's work. Also, Atun-Shei ... and such, subscribing for this content.
@Jane_8319
@Jane_8319 Жыл бұрын
The words about how this isn’t some distant event really touched me. The people who died because of this fire died in 1973; my mother was born in 1973. It’s horrifying. 49 years ago. God.
@wh8787
@wh8787 Жыл бұрын
Karl's comments on the need for community and mutual aid is 100% correct. It's something more Americans need to understand, you can't live alone, nobody is self-reliant, it's a fantasy. Pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps was literally meant to describe an impossible and absurd task. This is an absolutely tragic story that needs sharing.
@Ducaso
@Ducaso Жыл бұрын
It’s an odd headspace. To be so far removed from the reality of 40-50 years ago, but still yet hearing the same stories repeating themselves. This video has had me contemplating all afternoon.
@nandayane
@nandayane Жыл бұрын
I feel like there should be a colab series called “Forgotten History” Great job on this Dream Team
@samuelpatrick5050
@samuelpatrick5050 Жыл бұрын
This
@Jotari
@Jotari Жыл бұрын
All you can drink for 1 dollar. Fuck, I'd go gay for that price.
@angelachouinard4581
@angelachouinard4581 Жыл бұрын
I am subscribed to a bunch of disaster KZfaqrs and have seen several club fires covered, famous and obscure, in several countries. I'd never heard of this, probably for the same reason there was no real police investigation. Thanks for telling this story. I worked in theater in school. One night after rehearsals we decided to go out for drinks. We went to the local gay bar because it was a great bar with a huge firepit to sit around on the patio. I went in to get a drink and ran into a man I saw almost every morning getting coffee and breakfast. I said "Hi!" and he froze. He got a look of utter terror on his face and I realized he was afraid he'd be outed. I had to quickly remind him where we were and that if I wasn't OK with it I wouldn't be there. I assured him his secret was safe. I will see that man's look of terror until the day I die. No one should ever have to live with such fear.
@paulastiles5507
@paulastiles5507 Жыл бұрын
One of the reasons it wasn't investigated much beyond the first few months is that the guy who most likely did it (he made at least three credible confessions afterward, among other evidence) killed himself less than a year and a half after the fire. I guess the response of the rest of the gay community to his incessant attempts to take credit was less-than-rapturous and the local law enforcement was aware of him as their prime suspect, but didn't care. So, after he died, the investigation permanently ground to a halt and they ended up closing the case.
@angelachouinard4581
@angelachouinard4581 Жыл бұрын
@@paulastiles5507 Thanks for the information Paula.
@paulastiles5507
@paulastiles5507 Жыл бұрын
@@angelachouinard4581 You're welcome. There's a really good Advocate retrospective article about it you can find online.
@angelachouinard4581
@angelachouinard4581 Жыл бұрын
@@paulastiles5507 Thanks will do
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Жыл бұрын
You could feel like that with anonymous programs. Not everyone is that close to their family and friends might judge or not get it. No matter how long someone has been sober. ASK FIRST.
@olommentes
@olommentes Жыл бұрын
Hi Karl, I have got to know your work through some random memes and later your collabs with Ian. The last couple of contributions from You made my respect for you grow immensely. I really appreciate the way people like you defy stereotypes or tropes and display real affection and empathy for forgotten/ marginalized people. All without following convenient and easily monetizable fake ideologies or catering to the lowest common denominator.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for taking the time to say so, it is very appreciated.
@briangarrow448
@briangarrow448 Жыл бұрын
I remember watching that horrendous movie about gays being mentally ill that was distributed to schools back in that time period, the 70’s. Being gay could get you killed. I graduated from high school in ‘77. I had one male classmate that was very feminine and was assumed to be gay. He moved out of my little town the week after graduation and never came back. He never came back to class reunions or for anything that was connected with his hometown. I knew his father and mother and talked regularly with them. He was very low contact with them, because if their conservative religious beliefs. I don’t know where you are Rick B. but I want you to know that I am ashamed I wasn’t a supporter of yours or a good enough man to be your friend when you needed friends.
@George_M_
@George_M_ Жыл бұрын
When people say "we're not going back", it's stuff like this
@ST-zm3lm
@ST-zm3lm Жыл бұрын
Man, both of your channels’ uploads are always instant watches whenever possible. Y’all always have good insights and have top notch presentation.
@POTATOEH81
@POTATOEH81 Жыл бұрын
There's another channel ?
@ST-zm3lm
@ST-zm3lm Жыл бұрын
@@POTATOEH81 InRangeTV
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv Жыл бұрын
@@POTATOEH81 InRangeTV collab! :)
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@InrangeTv Who’s he? 😂
@KermitTheGamer21
@KermitTheGamer21 Жыл бұрын
The mention of being arrested just for holding hands really got to me. My girlfriend and I are both trans, but she lives in England while I'm working on finishing my degree before moving over there. The first time I went over there to visit her, she was very nervous about holding hands and that kind of thing because she didn't want to attract any sinister attention. It never occured to me that despite being in a place so much more progressive than America (and we were in a city, not a random rural area), and in this day and age, that people still might want to hurt us for who we are. I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like to be LGBT in the 1970s in the Deep South. Thank you, Atun-Shei and Karl, for telling the story of such a tragic event.
@angelachouinard4581
@angelachouinard4581 Жыл бұрын
In many places around the world it's still easy to run into hostility and not the places you would think. Good luck finishing your degree and getting together, I hope you have smooth sailing.
@Cemi_Mhikku
@Cemi_Mhikku Жыл бұрын
@@angelachouinard4581 All the same it can be the opposite too: It was long ago now (back in '09) but I saw a guy get elbowed in the gut and told "You don't say that shit here" before he could even get a word out when he was gonna clearly say something negative to a trans woman I was walking with on her first night out dressed out. I dunno if little Burlington, VT is still that way, but it was then.
@burninsherman1037
@burninsherman1037 Жыл бұрын
This is good shit! Thanks to both of you for doing this. I'm sadly one of those who doesn't have to imagine too much how dangerous it was for those who came before me, because I'm unlucky enough to be stuck in an area where homophobia is still alive and well, and thanks to some fuckups that've stalled my life I'm still stuck here, closeted, and just biding my time until something gives for me to make a change.
@AtunSheiFilms
@AtunSheiFilms Жыл бұрын
Good luck. Hope you get out.
@massiveox5143
@massiveox5143 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffslote9671 what was it?
@massiveox5143
@massiveox5143 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffslote9671 what were they disgruntled about?
@burninsherman1037
@burninsherman1037 Жыл бұрын
@@AtunSheiFilms thanks, man. Some things are starting to look up, and I'm finally at a place mentally/emotionally where I'm able to really see that it's worth fighting for myself to have a better life. Appreciate you providing solid edutainment that helps me escape in a way that isn't just wasting time when need be.
@massiveox5143
@massiveox5143 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffslote9671 what was it then?
@randomjunkohyeah1
@randomjunkohyeah1 Жыл бұрын
Interpret this information however you will: Iveson B. Noland, the (Episcopal) Bishop of Louisiana at the time, was the man who ridiculed one of the reverends under his leadership for holding a small prayer service for the victims, on the basis of them being gay. He died in a plane crash in 1975… on the second anniversary of the tragedy.
@theangryholmesian4556
@theangryholmesian4556 Жыл бұрын
Karma.
@paulastiles5507
@paulastiles5507 Жыл бұрын
Coming from a bi Episcopalian? God works in mysterious ways. I wonder if he thought about the tragedy at all as his plane was going down. Probably not.
@Lucasp110
@Lucasp110 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Kiss Nightclub fire in Brazil. Since the 242 lives lost were mostly drunk partying university kids, there were people that said that "If they were in church, they'd be Alive". Truly disgusting.
@HavanaSyndrome69
@HavanaSyndrome69 Жыл бұрын
The description at around 12:00, even without pictures or video, was absolutely chilling. You always put together videos with the most compelling story telling no matter what topic you're talking about.
@yourgodismean4526
@yourgodismean4526 Жыл бұрын
I’m 58 n queer, n it bums me out how hard younger folks are on older ppl. I get their reasoning but it hurts that we don’t get the credit we deserve for the risks we took in the 70s n 80s. I helped start Pride in Gainesville, Fl(home of U of F), in the mid-80s, at that time called the rape capital of the country. We had a real problem with frat boys gang assaulting teenage girls(“little sisters”) at sorority parties. I can remember 20 of us walking in the 1st Take Back the Night March(anti-rape), where we literally had to dodge full cans of beer chucked at our heads by speeding frat boys in pick ‘em up trucks while the cops stood back n smirked. Honestly, none of us would be enjoying the rights we’ve managed to hang onto rn, if it wasn’t for ppl who came b4. Hope I didn’t come off like a Karen. Said my piece. Love 🏳️‍🌈
@Cemi_Mhikku
@Cemi_Mhikku Жыл бұрын
As someone who's on the cusp of middle age and seen a LOT of this from people your age and older, a big part of why people my age (35) and younger are hard on all y'all is because some of y'all get really nasty about the fact we have it easier. Like, beyond toxic jealousy, a lot of TERFs are lesbians, some are even older trans women.
@paulastiles5507
@paulastiles5507 Жыл бұрын
@@Cemi_Mhikku I'm not very sympathetic toward TERFs, since they are coming from the erroneous idea that biology alone determines gender and gender is purely, rigidly binary. Women get shut out and we're not even just talking about trans women. But. It is, unfortunately, an historical phenomenon that women have built up their own spaces in the past, which men have come in and simply co-opted once women made those spaces successful. I think that's how TERFs see trans women. Again, I think that comes from their erroneous believe that trans women aren't "really" women, but it doesn't change the fact that men, usually straight men, have done that.
@UlyssesPSC
@UlyssesPSC Жыл бұрын
thank you so much for educating even younger lgbt people like myself on this topic and our shared history, Atun-Shei. I've been a fan for a while now, but never expected a dedicated episode from you for people like me. applause to you!!
@KillerMarcus42
@KillerMarcus42 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned not needing a brick. As a trans woman prepared to fight, "I was made as brick, and my destiny is a wall. I hope to build a new one,but I'm prepared to break an old one"
@Terralncognita
@Terralncognita Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, sister.
@warlordofbritannia
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
“There stands a trans woman, like a *Stonewall!* “
@aylbdrmadison1051
@aylbdrmadison1051 Жыл бұрын
Hang in there fellow Earthlings! Bigotry has been dying now for centuries. Very slowly albeit, but it is an actual fact proven by history itself. Also, over the past 50 years it has been dying ever faster. But evolution works on it's own timescale. You and I will not live to see the day when most bigotry is gone (we can never fully be rid of stupidity and ignorance), we will always be in the middle of the evolution of our own species. And yet anyone who at the very least is not in resistance to the evolution of their own species has something there to be proud of. In the meantime, the best we can do is keep making things better for our children. Besides, that makes the world better for everyone, including ourselves during our relatively short time here. One thing I know is that when my time comes, I will rest much easier knowing I did help wherever I could. I wish you all my fellow Earthlings peace and prosperity. ❤🌍🌎🌏
@skywarren4470
@skywarren4470 Жыл бұрын
✊️
@skywarren4470
@skywarren4470 Жыл бұрын
@@aylbdrmadison1051 it is however rearing it's ugly head. We've lost abortion rights. And it probably won't be the last thing we lose.
@ibiyashev
@ibiyashev Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your continued efforts in bringing events on the local level into conversation with issues of national, and international, importance. The work you do in this video is so important not just because it raises interest, but also because of the visibility it provides for traditionally-underrepresented queer communities. Well done!
@scottbarnes3156
@scottbarnes3156 Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe that people made jokes about this. It was very disturbing to hear the story but it has to be told. I had no idea. Beyond tragic. Thank you for sharing their story.
@nandayane
@nandayane Жыл бұрын
It was socially acceptable not too long ago in the mainstream. The speed at which culture changed it’s attitude towards LGBTQ people in the past decade-decade in a half is really incredible. It’s easy to forget how bad things were everywhere not long ago.
@scottbarnes3156
@scottbarnes3156 Жыл бұрын
Sadly I’m old enough to remember the way it was it just shocks me even though I remember it. When I see something like this it’s like “OMG!” but I remember…
@misiekmisuek4421
@misiekmisuek4421 Жыл бұрын
Always great videos. Always interesting material. thank you so much for all that and couldn't wish better channel's. Thanks a lot again. Wishing you and the people who help/support you all the best.yake care and stay safe
@whitequasar4686
@whitequasar4686 Жыл бұрын
2 of my favorite historical youtubers what more could I ask for Edit: after watching about the story I don't know about anyone else but I visualized and heard everything as it was described and I feel such horror I heard screams of help and sobbing the brain is a powerful thing
@czane1526
@czane1526 Жыл бұрын
I did too. I cried a lot watching this because even if this was an entirely stock standard straight society bar this amount of lost life and such a horrific tragedy is so so horrific
@willm287
@willm287 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for everything you do for history and bringing the struggles of marginalized peoples through time to the light.
@Hannah-zj9nk
@Hannah-zj9nk Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you take the time to find these lesser know histories and bring them into the forefront. Thanks for making amazing content ❤️
@sebastianrosa7935
@sebastianrosa7935 Жыл бұрын
Just listening to the description of what happened to the patrons as they burned to death made me physically cringe. Makes it clear the "people" who made jokes about the fire didn't see it.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar Жыл бұрын
Don't bet on people's innocence
@mollywantshugs5944
@mollywantshugs5944 Жыл бұрын
Some people are really really cruel. Cruel enough, and hateful enough, to rejoice at the horrific deaths of countless innocent people because they didn’t like the people who died.
@MsZsc
@MsZsc Жыл бұрын
It was bad, but i wouldnt be hypocritical
@Axelgear2006
@Axelgear2006 Жыл бұрын
You did a lot of wonderful things here. A lot of great information, a lot of excellent presentation and clear facts and no bones about it with the community reaction. But nothing hit me like the very end, with the picture of the bar, the sounds of voices, the music playing... And letting us remember the Upstairs Lounge as it was for all but the final horrible hour of its existence: A place where people spurned by the outside world could meet, leave the weight at the door, and feel some peace and community. We know of it for the horror of its tragedy but most of its existence was love and connection. That's how it deserves to be remembered.
@izzyhawkins3631
@izzyhawkins3631 Жыл бұрын
Something that struck me really hard about this video is how you both treated queer people as... people. It upsets me that that hits so hard right now, because more often than not it feels like we're just a punching bag for politicians to attack. It's such a small thing to do, yet it means so much. Thank you.
@flexibleskedule
@flexibleskedule Жыл бұрын
I’ve literally never heard this before. Thank you.
@wolflegion_
@wolflegion_ Жыл бұрын
Both of your channels have imo some of the best historical story telling, and neither of you shy away from painful topics. Beautiful work around such a tragic topic once again.
@johngregson6252
@johngregson6252 Жыл бұрын
I love your videos, you are great but this one hit very hard. I never comment but I have tears in my eyes right now from this tragedy. I would love to see more videos about the LGBTQ community in New Orleans.
@TSmith-yy3cc
@TSmith-yy3cc Жыл бұрын
Outstanding as usual! Thanks for covering the worst of history. There's a movement to forget and/or sanitise unpleasant history that needs to be viciously fought for the sake of progress; glad that there's creators willing to broach such subjects.
@zooblestyx
@zooblestyx Жыл бұрын
No justice, no freedom without solidarity.
@DriveCarToBar
@DriveCarToBar Жыл бұрын
A very organic collab with InRange. Two of my favorite KZfaqrs. Thank you so much for your content and the thought and effort you put into it.
@parkernunya7672
@parkernunya7672 Жыл бұрын
It's shocking how much of our history isn't brought up in schools
@FriENTlyFire
@FriENTlyFire Жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite channels. I love when you and Karl collaborate. RIP to the patrons of the Upstairs Lounge.
@nd6554
@nd6554 Жыл бұрын
Here's to hoping for a future where attacks like that at the Upstairs Lounge and Club Q don't happen. Wishing my LGBTQ brothers and sisters a safe and accepting Thanksgiving. Everyone deserves to be able to be themselves in peace
@sammosaurusrex
@sammosaurusrex Жыл бұрын
Your New Orleans history stuff is my favorite part of this channel
@Gabefalconb
@Gabefalconb Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. Please keep up telling these little-known stories.
@BebeLush2
@BebeLush2 Жыл бұрын
Shame that more Louisiana natives have never heard of this tragedy. Thank you so much for making this video!!
@tomalexander2710
@tomalexander2710 Жыл бұрын
Very moving video. Always interesting content when you two work together!
@StrangerOman
@StrangerOman Жыл бұрын
Dark but important topic. The pacing of the story telling is quite good and conclusion by the end of the video really helped to digest this story as a whole.
@lanzinator4734
@lanzinator4734 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this!
@juliescott4473
@juliescott4473 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making sure these stories get told instead of continuing to be lost in history and in a format that is easy to share with others.
@spookyskelly5276
@spookyskelly5276 Жыл бұрын
People are still making jokes and shrugging off tragedies that happen to LGBT people. I've seen people talking about the victims of that shooting in Colorado like they deserved it somehow.
@harperhellems3648
@harperhellems3648 Жыл бұрын
Imagine trying to teach this event today in a classroom. Probably "illegal" in Florida, and here in Virginia I'm sure many parents would be calling the "legal" hotline to rat out teachers who dare to cover "controversial" events.
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Жыл бұрын
It’s beyond depressing. I thought we were making so much progress in the 90’s & early 2000’s.
@PiercedRivetHead
@PiercedRivetHead Жыл бұрын
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 That's likely why there's so much backlash now; there's no need to fight someone when you've got a boot on their neck.
@jollyjohnthepirate3168
@jollyjohnthepirate3168 Жыл бұрын
Republicans have no shame.
@Jiji-the-cat5425
@Jiji-the-cat5425 Жыл бұрын
If this event was taught in Florida or Virginia or Texas, we all know for a _fact_ there would be outrage. The "anti-woke" mob and the "freedom fighters" would go on a rampage all over the place on how it's "forcing diversity" and "indoctrinating children." Then the Conservative governors would threaten to defund the school and teachers would likely lose their jobs.
@Jiji-the-cat5425
@Jiji-the-cat5425 Жыл бұрын
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 It enrages me immensely how decades of progress, so people who are LGBTQ can live their lives without discrimination, is simply being undone on a whim.
@Chasmodius
@Chasmodius Жыл бұрын
I hope you keep looking for these moments of "induced amnesia," guys. I know you say it doesn't do so well with the audiences (or at least the algorithm), but I think it's important and great work!
@glennsamson3050
@glennsamson3050 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, this is the kind of history that needs to be shared. Keep up the great work
@littlebigheroman
@littlebigheroman Жыл бұрын
Thank you for discussing this topic, among the many tales of historical injustice you guys have related to us. As a member of the community, this moved me to tears. But it was a cathartic experience, to relate oneself to a group identity, and to realize that much progress *has* been made, some of it thanks to independent content creators like yourselves.
@elijahskywalker611
@elijahskywalker611 7 ай бұрын
This one brought me to tears. Thank you for your work
@allentempleton2429
@allentempleton2429 Жыл бұрын
I remember how poorly gay people were treated in the 70s. Even in New York where civil rights for almost everyone were starting to be accepted, there was almost no tolerance for gay people. In fact it was totally acceptable to mis treat gay people. We were actually encouraged to be homafobic in school. I'm ashamed to admit I was as anti gay as anyone else simply because I was taught to be from a young age by church and school.
@HVolnWhatnow
@HVolnWhatnow Жыл бұрын
You're deploying your film knowledge in such an impactful way, thank you so much for this
@jefftuckercfii
@jefftuckercfii Жыл бұрын
I just saw this video. The opening scene has what was the Upstairs Lounge in the background (Chartres and Iberville)...and is currently the site of a timeshare, The Quarter House, where I am an owner and have been since 1997. None of this was ever mentioned when we purchased the property back in the day. They said at the time that a lot of the space was former slave quarters, but that wouldn't be anything unusual in antebellum New Orleans.
@feildpres
@feildpres Жыл бұрын
Fantastic Video Guys!
@tedking6790
@tedking6790 Жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite youtubers making great content? Love it.
@YangTheGoddess
@YangTheGoddess Жыл бұрын
I don't have the words to articulate how this made me feel, but community is important. Where I live, in South Dakota, we still lack a true LGBTQ+ community. It's still not ok to come out, out here. Sure there are more accepting places then there was 20 years ago, but it's still a struggle. And I think a big reason for that is we are not banned together to tell people that the way they treat us isn't right. I try and be as open as I can be about the fact I'm a trans woman. Though all that occurs out here is transphobic comments and parents saying "it's not natural". The community may be legal, but it's not accepted. It's not getting lynched in the streets bad. But still people go missing or are beat. I do quite enjoy your dives into such topics you don't hear about in history class, and I can't wait for the next. Have a good one.
@anglerfish4161
@anglerfish4161 Жыл бұрын
This is heartbreaking. The descriptions made me sick to my stomach. And how the trauma for the victims only snowballed since... It's horrific to think human beings can be so devoid of pity and compassion.
@jackryan444
@jackryan444 Жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite creators, on a topic near and dear to my heart. I’m not gay myself but have many friends in the circle. Civil rights shouldn’t have such a cloudy history it’s truly a shame we must fight for them.
@robertbreedlovecraft
@robertbreedlovecraft Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind you mixing in these New Orleans history vids every once in a while. It's how I found your channel
@charlescann531
@charlescann531 Жыл бұрын
You two are great every time I watch your work I either learn something I didn’t know or learn something new about something I was already aware of thank you.
@stoheha
@stoheha 11 ай бұрын
The horror and injustice of this event is literally making me feel my blood pressure rise in real time. These people died unimaginably horrible deaths. The way that pastor suffered and how indifferent and vicious the people were about it makes me wish more than the worst on them.
@chandler224
@chandler224 Жыл бұрын
This is seriously one of the best videos you guys have created. This is what grade A+ youtube documentaries should be like. Giving context, putting the audience in the mindset of the time, showing the societal implications, and really homing in on its relevance as a lesson today.
@johnstephen8136
@johnstephen8136 Жыл бұрын
I Didn't Know this , Thankyou for this piece x
@24kachina
@24kachina Жыл бұрын
Outstanding. I had never heard of this incident and appreciate you guys bringing it to the YT world in such a (typically for each channel) erudite and considered fashion.
@frecklefreak1467
@frecklefreak1467 10 ай бұрын
Admittedly this was a hard video to watch. And I think it's a tragedy that this event isn't talked about at all, as it's a story that needs to be shared. I think you two did a wonderful job explaining what happened at the Upstairs Lounge and in the aftermath, and highlighting the bravery and courage of the friends and family that didn't let this tragedy be hidden. Thank you for sharing this. Thank you for saying their names.
@toastgod1276
@toastgod1276 10 ай бұрын
Really glad to see Karl collaborating with you on stories like this. Fantastic video, thank you
@francesthepossum1812
@francesthepossum1812 Жыл бұрын
I’ve never ugly cried during one of you videos before until now. The description of the fire was hellish, literally my worst nightmare coming true. When you described those people who were trapped inside, I saw my own friends in there, my own surrogate family I made from the safe spaces here on my college campus and out in the city. Being queer myself and being heavily picked on for it in school, safe spaces played a very vital part in my growth and self-acceptance and they still do. Hearing about one ruined so suddenly and so violently shatters my heart, especially to hear that this was an LGBTQ+ house of worship.
@RanRanshama
@RanRanshama Жыл бұрын
This video almost brought me to tears. You do such an amazing job about being sensitive to topics that are so painful to so many. Thank you for speaking about this event.
@MrGksarathy
@MrGksarathy Жыл бұрын
I remember reading about this years ago and being horrified at both the deaths and the callousness of New Orleans as a whole towards the victims due to their sexuality.
@jakegarrett8109
@jakegarrett8109 Жыл бұрын
Look at modern politicians almost gloat when unvaccinated people die, its nothing new.
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