A big thank you to Illumined Arms for lending us this weapon!!!
@rootbowy8252 жыл бұрын
Can I be borrow one…asking for a friend?
@sambarnes95202 жыл бұрын
Totally agree Afghan war mind set designed weapon.
@geezerp19822 жыл бұрын
@@rootbowy825 the ATF are on the way to your house ! i hope you dont have a dog
@wirerage10742 жыл бұрын
saw with no sights. let's go!
@sigspearthumb15702 жыл бұрын
Muhahahahah
@jdr1307 ай бұрын
Good gun but need L4 traders for any good ammo
@quadblaster694206 ай бұрын
And by the time you have L4 traders, global restock is out and you can't get it, anyway.
@eobruxo6 ай бұрын
If u know u know
@anttikoljonen19416 ай бұрын
And when you finally get the ammo and the weapon, you get stomped by a wild scav
@quadblaster694206 ай бұрын
@@anttikoljonen1941 on streets. Two minutes into the raid.
@Boosted_aj6 ай бұрын
It’s 350k roubles not worth
@aarondinapoli27042 жыл бұрын
I’m a machinist at sig and take a lot of pride in the parts I’ve made for SPEAR and hearing you sing the praises of the rifle make me extremely happy. Keep up the great work!
@Mygg_Jeager2 жыл бұрын
Dang that's the job I wanted lol
@TwinkieCakey2 жыл бұрын
One does not simply has a job that any normal man would want. :D
@Dubaroo992 жыл бұрын
No u keep up the great work
@gavinm13472 жыл бұрын
Ayo all my fellow NH homies in the chat! Then again all you seacoasters are like masshole transplants 😂.
@Spencer9002 жыл бұрын
What are the tolerances at sig?
@goonsquad99976 ай бұрын
This guy just killed me on Lighthouse
@ULarry20074 ай бұрын
USEC mfs fr 😭
@pawelunikow156319 күн бұрын
Skill isue
@derpsakry446415 күн бұрын
Thats what you get for playing fucking Lighthouse
@AJwiththeAK Жыл бұрын
Thing to note is that the m16 wasn’t an immediate home run. I’m sure they’ll learn a lot in the next few years and make adjustments where needed
@maddogs1989 Жыл бұрын
Actually the M16A1 was a very good an reliable weapon system. Most jams on the M16 was always magazines. The problem in Vietnam didn't come from the M16A1. It came from the experimental version that they bought off the shelf instead of waiting for the production version to be produced.
@dobridjordje Жыл бұрын
@@maddogs1989I'd return the A1 as an official assault rifle, probably one of the best rifles ever made.
@maddogs1989 Жыл бұрын
@@dobridjordjereally an A1 lower and A2 or A4 upper would be perfect
@dobridjordje Жыл бұрын
@@maddogs1989 Nah just good ole M16A1 30 round mag, birdcage flash hider, but improved sight system to be able to attach scopes and other machinery, it worked in Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf war and Iraq, and sure as hell outclasses the AK platform (albeit 74 is on almost on par)
@maddogs1989 Жыл бұрын
@@dobridjordje the A1 never had the birdcage that was the A2. It was the A2 in Grenada and onwards at least for the Marines and for the Army it was the A2 from 86' onwards
@K.N.P.U2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who felt strangely satisfied when he was shooting full auto with the clear mag and saw the bullets rising up?
@brockgundich2 жыл бұрын
I really liked that too
@dolphin0692 жыл бұрын
That’s what your mum said.
@claychandler47552 жыл бұрын
I was rising up too, if you know what I mean
@WillMarr132 жыл бұрын
Something else was rising up while I was watching that.
@Judasdfg2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why redditors so often feel the need for internet strangers to affirm their feelings and beliefs. Quit it, it's lame.
@samhamwich67632 жыл бұрын
As an armed forces memeber who has terrible hearing loss for my age, i cant express how thankful I am for supressors on service rifles. With the amount training you do, this is a godsend regardless of tactical advantage.
@Dyllpicklez-gr8kx2 жыл бұрын
If I remember the suppressors on these make the gun perform better than with out it as well
@4runnercolorado4222 жыл бұрын
They need to be readily available to the general public without the whole ATF process.
@nxxynx50392 жыл бұрын
@@4runnercolorado422 I have no idea why the ATF hates you guys having suppressors so much, here in Europe most rifles come with one already threaded on - it's an expectation and etiquette to use one.
@Weimerica88412 жыл бұрын
@@nxxynx5039 It's because the entire existence of their agency is based on a century old bill that they are desperate to keep the general public from knowing about. They're so afraid, they don't even ask Congress to raise the price of the tax stamps, when passed it was equivalent to $4,000 current dollars (probably more with inflation lol).
@kieranharper261 Жыл бұрын
@@nxxynx5039 the problem with the US is, most people usually fall into one of two camps, morons that think any gun should be able to be owned by any idiot with the cash for it, or people who have never shot a gun that think everything about them is terrifying. Funny thing is people think that paying a couple hundred bucks for a suppressor is "infringing on their rights" but nobody has any problem with a rifle that costs several thousand dollars
@Wyatt274 Жыл бұрын
Something to consider, when thinking about the switch from the M14 to the M-16 with respective calibers is that something like the M249 didn’t really exist. Now that we have squad level weapons that are some thing that can be carried and sustained more easily than something like the M 60 moving back to a heavier rifleman round does kind of make sense.
@LaikaTheG Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing after rewatching that part of the video just now and I’m glad someone said it. With the Spear also comes the xm250 which is just a Saw on steroids. Meant to fill the same role while being lighter, able to engage at longer ranges (with 6.8), and has quick change barrels
@wolfpack9688 Жыл бұрын
You make a great point.
@paulgianni11 ай бұрын
I carried the M249 and it was so cumbersome and heavy, it limited my mobility and running distance. The Spear weighs less than half what the Saw does and isn't as bulky. The transition from the M14 to the 16 saved around four pounds for just the rifle, going from the M4 to the SAW almost triples the weight, whereas transitioning from the 7.75lb M4 to the MX7 would be similar in weight to returning to the M14. I can advocate the change to a larger, more powerful round, but I won't have to carry it. When I served, I would have preferred the M14 to the M16.
@JustinVan19869 ай бұрын
The M249 wasn’t too bad, but it so often got assigned to the smaller guys of the platoon. If you didn’t get cursed w/ an unadjustable stock, then pop on the short barrel and it’s pretty easy to maneuver. To your point though, that run time and distance plummets.
@zx7-rr4869 ай бұрын
Two thoughts cross my mind. The original post war thinking was that NATO standardisation was needed and a common single cartridge shared by all countries was ideal. That was supposed to be 7.62, until the US changed their minds and brought in 5.56 for the M16 (ironic because the UK originally pushed for .280). The UK, then stuck with 7.62, used it for riflemen (FN FAL) and machine gunners until the 1980s when they moved to 5.56. If you bring in a 3rd new cartridge, that is going to really complicate logistics and tactics... or is the plan to phase out 7.62? Even if it is, that will take some time, and what about all the many allied NATO countries? The other thing, is that 5.56 still has massive advantages.. you can carry 10kg of 600 rounds. The rifle platforms using it are 5kg or less. The recoil is very low, and it's much more manageable in full auto. This makes it much easier to train basic infantry to use it, especially if you have a conscript army in a time of war. I will be really surprised if 5.56 dissappears.
@nigelbagguley7606 Жыл бұрын
The principle of using a higher pressure in the round to maximize the effectiveness of a shorter barrel has also been adopted by the Japanese in their updated MX10 tank.
@pilgrim3572 жыл бұрын
What an awesome preview of a future episode of forgotten weapons! Thank you US army! Very cool!
@RollerCoasterLineProductions2 жыл бұрын
BASED
@bappyboio13612 жыл бұрын
Fake, not French enough Ian would never review
@soulessvalleys84042 жыл бұрын
Based AF🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@kju5202 жыл бұрын
Gonna be better than the current standard issue, m4 troons seething.
@lowtdave2 жыл бұрын
Damnit. This made me laugh. It's a tragic possibility
@PolenarTactical2 жыл бұрын
At least it's better than AK-12
@user-qb9ec2is9n2 жыл бұрын
about 5-9% of combat losses is from firearms, the rest is artillery - and US spends billions to replace fully capable M4, not the 60 years old 3 rounds per minute paladin, complete junk against Msta or Coalitsiya. Keep it up!😆 And yeah, if you are shoot - you are dead, was it M4, AK-12, XM5 or Kar98 - no matters
@Mkvine2 жыл бұрын
The AK-12 is giving you nightmares isn’t it? 😏
@mrs.vasquezz2 жыл бұрын
@@Mkvine ye
@mrs.vasquezz2 жыл бұрын
Ak12 isnt real and you cant use monkey emojies on YT apparently
@thekraken11732 жыл бұрын
Depends on the purpose
@SmokesKwazukii Жыл бұрын
the new optic package combined with this rifle is hella crazy. basically aims itself. put all that with the next gen nightvision theyve shown as well and the lethality range is tremendous in any condition. maybe not necessary for every infantryman but its crazy stuff. the new sig machine guns are even cooler
@knightpal15457 ай бұрын
Russia gonna be crying when they find out America has aim bot
@thekiller79947 ай бұрын
@@knightpal1545and they would also be crying since this weapon can penetrate body armor that they claim to “possess”
@knightpal15457 ай бұрын
@@thekiller7994 well shooting through card board isn't that hard so what's your point?
@thekiller79947 ай бұрын
@@knightpal1545 I’m just pointing out the fact that this rifle was made to shoot a bullet to penetrate Russian “body armor”
@knightpal15457 ай бұрын
@@thekiller7994 I was making a joke, that came off as a little aggressive sorry there.
@seancallaway5204 Жыл бұрын
Regarding training issues, look how long it took the US Army to fully adopt the M-4. Even today, most POG units still have the M-16. Even if the SIG SPEAR does become the "new" Army rifle, it will take years after that for Joes in S-1 to get them in-hand.
@collins4984 Жыл бұрын
The 101st is getting them this month. My brigade is getting both the XM5 and the XM250
@ponraul1221 Жыл бұрын
@@collins4984 good luck with your 12lb rifles and greatly reduced combat loads
@collins4984 Жыл бұрын
@@MandatedCupcake Well when we get back from this deployment we are spending 2 weeks on the ranges to qualify on these new weapon systems. Shouldn’t be too different from the M-4 and the 249. Only difference is the weight and they both take a different caliber round so it’s more accurate and effective than the 556 NATO rounds we use. We will see though, I can’t imagine it be that much different to be honest
@voskhodd Жыл бұрын
It is initially to be adopted by 20-25% of the armed forces personnel, mostly the combat units. Everyone else will stay with ye olde M4s for the time being.
@jamesgarrison5546 Жыл бұрын
@@ponraul1221 theyre the same weight as an M27 IAR
@johngarrettculver74132 жыл бұрын
I think the greatest innovation is that it's balanced well enough to stand on the magazine floor plate. Makes photoshoots way nicer. Welcome to 2022
@leeming13172 жыл бұрын
General's lives matter xD
@denmanfite31562 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness that's the modern blue-hair problem solver.
@luigimrlgaming9484 Жыл бұрын
@@denmanfite3156 blue haired people don’t wear body armor.
@JTheraos4 ай бұрын
Thats not innovation lol tons of guns balance well on the mag.
@apaintervids2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the starting assault rifle you get in every COD game that ends up being the most reliable and OP choice.
@swickzy92502 жыл бұрын
lets hope MW2 isn’t like that and has it that almost every gun is viable and balanced. no more of this single gun metas we’ve seen for years now. edit: this aged terribly
@Caliborino2 жыл бұрын
Swickzy MW2 already released, Twice, The one we’re getting sold is… Just fucking why?
@brightpri66922 жыл бұрын
@@Caliborino mw2 released once, and the new "mw2" game is a diffrent game than the og mw2
@Caliborino2 жыл бұрын
BrightPri It released twice with the remaster, I guess the reboot is it’s own series right? Certainly with the goofy redesign of ghost and price now sounding like the great value version of himself. But hey money right?
@brightpri66922 жыл бұрын
@@Caliborino not the mulitplayer. The mulitplayer never got rematstered only the campain
@jaredcate8508 Жыл бұрын
Great rifle. I agree with your findings as a main battle rifle. Now in my 20 years as infantry (now retired), I think that would be an awesome SDM (Squad Designated Marksman) rifle. It is lighter than the souped up M-14 they had us using for years that weighed over 14 lbs. Throw a 3-9×40 or a 4-16×50 on it and you have a great longer range weapon while still keeping that armor piercing capability within the infantry rifle squad. Just my opinion.
@SergioHernandez-zv5wc Жыл бұрын
We have the m110 which is basically an updated sr-25. This will be helpful against A proper military, yet you know and even I know with only my 4yrs in as of right now that it won’t just be proper military. We will still have to fight an insurgency
@Painfulwhale360 Жыл бұрын
Idk about using this as an SDM.. it has a 13.5” barrel
@MrCashewkitty8 ай бұрын
@@Painfulwhale360 but even the non military version of the round is getting 2800 ft/s. Wonder what it's ballistics look like out of 16 and 18?
@taelandi6 ай бұрын
Seems the military is going towards special forces style combat on a mass scale using intelligence as the first line of offense with the F35B's in the air, a more surgical approach rather than the suppressive fire style of old. If you know where the enemy already is and aren't walking into the unknown then the more accurate, powerful rifles will serve better. If you're just a group of soldiers without the intel and surveillance then you'll definitely want more ammo
@archsys30712 күн бұрын
@@taelandinow everybody’s gonna be in meal team 6
@Thedrlipa6 ай бұрын
KZfaq recommended me this video because i play tarkov and love the SIG spear
@NanashisJustBetter6 ай бұрын
I was looking for this comment
@IdeaCalledFreedom2 жыл бұрын
Easily the most highly anticipated video of all time. This should have been in theaters
@21scavage2 жыл бұрын
Finally! It is here!
@spearthumb682 жыл бұрын
I am everywhere around you. Do you not feel my *Fury* ?
@deadboltzz51992 жыл бұрын
The taliban wants to know when they will be getting these
@spearthumb682 жыл бұрын
@@deadboltzz5199 I will automatically disable myself if I detect the presence of a heathen operator.
@jbloun9112 жыл бұрын
@@deadboltzz5199 Taliban is just civilian talk to AL-CIA-DUH
@hanzwillford51412 жыл бұрын
Finally an actual in depth review and not just small snip bits of shooting and rambling about how it’s gonna be another M14 blunder
@bradenmchenry9952 жыл бұрын
Don’t listen to boomers
@blackhawk655892 жыл бұрын
@@bradenmchenry995 flashbacks to 6.8 grendell
@Valorius2 жыл бұрын
This will ultimately make the m14 look like a brilliant design in the long run.
@AnarchAngel12 жыл бұрын
@@blackhawk65589 6.8 SPC? Not aware of any 6.8 "Grendel" the military has looked into
@thekraken11732 жыл бұрын
It wont
@nanosolis96 Жыл бұрын
The XM5 has been renamed to the XM7 due to avoiding Trademark Issues with Colt’s Manufacturer LLC from the M5 Carbine
@kindsteel57 ай бұрын
That’s Bullshit they should’ve made Colt change it. I will still call it the XM5
@Warbalz7 ай бұрын
Glad that i was able to try SIG Spear out.. its a great badass weapon, bit hard to get, but the marked rooms in Reserve usually have one, it rips PMCs and bosses aswell! Tarkov finally has a new king!
@AiAngel2 жыл бұрын
I think the army is going to use DARPA quadrupeds to mule ammo around for each battalion, which is one reason for the bulkier ammo.
@robertkeaney99052 жыл бұрын
Instead of doing that. The army will rely on the same beast of burden they've used for generations. The U.S. Infantryman.
@Truthbomb9182 жыл бұрын
No they aren't, soldiers will always be mules
@clamum96482 жыл бұрын
@@Truthbomb918 I don't think you're looking far enough ahead. Those quadrupeds will absolutely be used.
@highlandhunter79602 жыл бұрын
More likey they will arm these bots and use them like they do with drones right now.
@clamum96482 жыл бұрын
@Commie Hammer LOL yeah they are
@BIOHAZARDCURE2 жыл бұрын
The fact that this rifle reaches 2800+ fps out of a 13 inch barrel is pretty amazing. Also really dig the color!
@josedorsaith52612 жыл бұрын
Shame the trade-off for that velocity is extreme pressures. I wonder if the new round will have ERP projectiles, like the ones used in the m855a1 and 7.62x51mm
@lukedrewry28162 жыл бұрын
@@josedorsaith5261 the barrel is very thick in comparison to normal ar 10s along with other thicker components, should do just fine
@jeffkenkel42572 жыл бұрын
The Military rounds velocity is still classified but it is more likely 3100+ fps from the 13 inch barrel.
@lukedrewry28162 жыл бұрын
@@jeffkenkel4257 really? Damn
@BaddFrogg7772 жыл бұрын
SIG spent a lot of R&D on these firearms. Time for the US consumer to purchase. Create jobs.
@francishubertovasquez956 Жыл бұрын
The SIG Spear is an amazing weapon machine fitted in rugged environment and fitted to special forces due to the suppressor.
@wooddawg4868 Жыл бұрын
The good thing with this caliber and ammo is they can also shoot the non stainless case ammo if the hot stuff isn’t available.
@theimmortal4718 Жыл бұрын
Yet, brass 7.62 is faster from the same length barrel. It would be better to get it in 7.62 if you're not going to use hybrid ammo
@TheGamingHellhound Жыл бұрын
@@theimmortal4718 it’s not in 7.62
@theimmortal4718 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGamingHellhound Yes, it's in 6.8x51, which is slower than 7.62 from an all brass case.
@RB-xv4si Жыл бұрын
@@theimmortal4718 as he clearly stated in the video multiple times, he wasn’t shooting the real-deal 80k psi .227 Sig Fury ammo. The real stuff leaves the barrel at over 3k fps, which for sure is faster than almost all .308 loads, and retains more of its velocity than .308’s at longer distances.
@theimmortal4718 Жыл бұрын
@@RB-xv4si I'm well aware of that. Look at the barrel wear and destruction that 62k PSI m855A1 does to barrels, locking lugs, and feed ramps. The 80K PSI 6.8 will be even worse. The 264 USA is a superior bullet and doesn't have the excessive pressure. It's lighter, top.
@Jknight4162 жыл бұрын
I’m honestly impressed that he managed to control this gun in full auto mode so well that he makes it look as if the gun has the recoil of a 5.56. I suppose that all his experience in firearms training has paid off!
@johnmartin64202 жыл бұрын
@@meta55645 Or more Likely, it's the "Recoil Mitigation System And Smuzzle Can", that reduces the felt Recoil of the weapon.
@iketerrible66612 жыл бұрын
Bruh he was spec ops what did you expect
@GEOsustainable2 жыл бұрын
You never fired one? My DS showed us how soft the M-16 was by holding it on his groin while he pulled full auto. The recoil spring looks the same length as the original M-16 so I expect it to be smooth as butter.
@GEOsustainable2 жыл бұрын
@@meta55645 You never fired one? My DS showed us how soft the M-16 was by holding it on his groin while he pulled full auto. The recoil spring looks the same length as the original M-16 so I expect it to be smooth as butter.
@GEOsustainable2 жыл бұрын
@@johnmartin6420 Is that what they call the recoil spring now? jeez, lol. You never fired one? My DS showed us how soft the M-16 was by holding it on his groin while he pulled full auto. The recoil spring looks the same length as the original M-16 so I expect it to be smooth as butter.
@luxivity6 ай бұрын
so this why its going for 690k on the flea
@aradcliffe585 Жыл бұрын
The Montage at the beginning of each of Mike's Videos are becoming that of Legend. Great Video Gents. Big Fan of the Spear
@thomasprout92982 жыл бұрын
I feel like the charging handle issue is something that will phase out in due time as more soldiers get a hold of the rifle and find which they prefer and they pick one and stick with it.
@ellysiakyoki55872 жыл бұрын
The introduction of the side charger was for when having issues getting the bolt unstuck as to the T handle having little leverage and possibly having to mortar it. The reason for having the T handle is training/habits, so I would guess if they did remove one it would be the T handle but it too has a small benefit of being ambi. My thoughts though would be they just keep it cause getting changes done in military equipment is a lot of processing.
@BionicBurke2 жыл бұрын
@@ellysiakyoki5587 when you explain the reasoning for it, it makes a lot more sense to have both. The ambi use of it is a plus and I don't think they could remodel this to have an ambi side charger. Also, the side charger being mainly for dealing with malfunctions that the T handle just can't really handle makes sense for long and dirty deployments.
@ellysiakyoki55872 жыл бұрын
@@BionicBurke Yes I agree, the T handle has been in the training regiment for years and the ambi option gives more benefits than just for a lefty, it gives the soldier easier access if he/she has injured their arm or hand. Could also think of it like if you're in a position where you wouldn't be able to have access to the side charger. Even though the side charger handle folds in a bit the T handle is a little less protruding to have possible snags too. In the end I think its only an advantage in clearing stuck cartridges but that was the intent so it works 🤷♀️ Very excited to see more vids of it though, I like it a lot.
@leroyatleroys2 жыл бұрын
I understand the benefits of both. But considering how beefy the rifle is already, I wish they just picked one to save some. weight. I know that there is gonna ne some guy saying "Just suck it up. Soldiers are supposed to be strong." Those dudes never seem to understand that it just helps the military in general in the long run. Ounces equal pounds. But my first thought was also that one of the charging handles would be deleted eventually.
@ellysiakyoki55872 жыл бұрын
@@leroyatleroys having the T handle kinda does reduce the weight because if it was only the side charger then all that material that's removed where the T handle is would actually add weight. The T handle itself is nearly weightless. I understand your input but charging handles are usually a weight loss positive with the area of material removal compared to the handles weight itself.
@tomdog5265 Жыл бұрын
The MCX Mk2, the Virtus, is a fantastic rifle in both 5.56 and .300 blackout, even though it is a bit heavy. I think this Spear is the result of that Sig design, isn't it?
@jmanswat24577 ай бұрын
I really wished they had adopted 300blk when it was developed. Replace 556 and keep 308 for DMRs. Would've been financially economical too since all they have to change is a barrel, or for really quick change, an upper. Absolute minimal change to current "systems" and familiarity. But... They wanted a better BC bullet so here's we go...
@taelandi6 ай бұрын
@@jmanswat2457 how is 300blk a better cartridge? It has less range than 5.56
@martingonzales1131 Жыл бұрын
I think the rear charging handle is a way to not have to deal with retraining every soldier to use the side charge but no doubt it will eventually be fazed out while the boot camp training changes to favor and teach all new recruits to use the side charge.
@blacknapalm21312 жыл бұрын
*SIG should have hired you for their promo materials. You are the only one I have seen that can handle the recoil effortlessly*
@apple_with_a_human_butt2 жыл бұрын
keep in mind that he's not shooting the mil spec ammo. the mil spec round's a bit hotter than the civilian market version.
@infinitespeen30922 жыл бұрын
@@apple_with_a_human_butt true but he is a marine though.
@jameslarsen57642 жыл бұрын
@@infinitespeen3092 Thought he was airforce?
@infinitespeen30922 жыл бұрын
@@jameslarsen5764 i just checked this, i guess he is i thought he was a marine whoops lol
@4Leka2 жыл бұрын
What does that say about the recoil and how good of an idea it is to equip every infantryman with this rifle?
@w_stew89122 жыл бұрын
I figured 6.8 would be pretty hard to handle on full auto but GT seems to do alright with it.
@Oob1442 жыл бұрын
@@ASS_ault waaay more than that my friend.
@springbloom59402 жыл бұрын
Hes not exactly a basic grunt, dude. Your weapon has to be optimally effective for least trained and experienced.
@MadJustin72 жыл бұрын
@@springbloom5940 Exactly. I want to see a female or smaller framed male soldier shoot it.
@julian235612 жыл бұрын
He can handle 7.62 just fine, 6.8 should be alright.
@Ntmoffi2 жыл бұрын
He's shooting the underpowered non steel base ammo so it's easier to manage.
@davidh7799 Жыл бұрын
I was in the Marine Corps when they promoted the 223 round. After over 50 years, they are going back to the bigger round. Crazy.
@oklahomahank23788 ай бұрын
Crazier than that. This is a .277 or so in a necked down .308 cartridge. Mr. Garand originally designed the M1 Garand in a new …. .277 round! But General MacArthur said we had millions of rounds of .30-06 in storage and ordered it changed to .30-06. So it’s more like a hundred years.
@Joek91006 ай бұрын
Gotta keep the funding coming in.
@michaelallen1953 Жыл бұрын
The sig spear basically shoots a .270 Winchester short mag. I was asking years ago why the military never entertained .270 rounds. It’s a great balance between Linda range accuracy, power and light recoil.
@fyrdoc Жыл бұрын
They told us it was mostly because our NATO "partners" only used 5.56, so a European war made getting ammo easier. BUT we found out in Iraq the Brits used less powder, thus throwing our zero and quals out of whack!
@BarisPalabiyik Жыл бұрын
@@fyrdoc Not having the exact amount and type of powder is crazy if you are aiming for unified ammo in NATO.
@oldleatherhandsfriends4053 Жыл бұрын
@@fyrdoc I think NATO is a thing of the past and everyone is preparing to fight one another like pre-WWII.
@KommandantAegis Жыл бұрын
@@BarisPalabiyik Always the fucking Brits
@oklahomahank2378 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Garand originally designed his rifle for a new .277 round. General MacArthur said we had huge warehouses full of 30.06 and made Ordinance change it.
@gregbagel7912 жыл бұрын
I love this gun because it’s everything annoying AR guys hate, it keeps the forward assist, it’s a larger caliber, it’s short stroke piston system, and it has a side charging handle. Also the pseudo monolithic upper is super cool.
@bigt97452 жыл бұрын
Haha yes, AR guys cope hard
@brianrich78282 жыл бұрын
Not sure why they would hate it. But cliques seem to be in literally every hobby out there,so weird on either side to me. A rifle is a rifle.
@TheGM-20XX2 жыл бұрын
@@brianrich7828 it is because he is a contrarian no guns.
@thefrogking4812 жыл бұрын
Yeah! We all know a Russian designed rifle from 1947 is the only way to go.....
@dick89972 жыл бұрын
Ohh the sig does have the forward assist still didn't even notice until u said that interesting
@hotrodsather2 жыл бұрын
Well, the need for a more powerful longer range round was apparent immediately in Afghanistan, now, 21 years later, after we left Afghanistan, we have it(Yet to be phased in). Great success!!!
@smudge70572 жыл бұрын
Why not just have more weapons in 7.62x51 issued to units to support the 5.56 weapons?
@TheChiconspiracy2 жыл бұрын
@@smudge7057 Army planners are afraid that ballistic protection already exists within Russia and China that makes the very best 7.62 AP rounds useless, so they want something moving faster and with more energy to be able to defeat it.
@ODAWGO222 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was thinking lmao
@ryanpeck33772 жыл бұрын
The Army is known for “fighting the last war”. While in some ways taking lessons learned and applying them can be good the Army often comes to the wrong conclusions and/or the lesson learned dont apply to the next conflict.
@cataclysmicdelta18282 жыл бұрын
@@smudge7057 because they also approved a sig sauer replacement for the m249 saw (the xm250) also chambered in 6.8mm, having the ammo standardization helps a ton and it has better ballistics and penetration than 7.62 anyways. The xm5 is absolutely not designed for the last war, it’s designed for any future large brigade combat instead of the lightly equipped guerrilla forces we’ve been fighting. The gun also really shouldn’t be discussed in a military context without mentioning the special fire control system/sight that will be equipped on every single one
@Daja_Vu1986 Жыл бұрын
Can't say enough good about your reviews bro. You are definitely a person I would base my purchase options from. Solid review
@BassObsessed Жыл бұрын
Color me skeptical, but I have my doubts that this will be adopted service wide. I have a feeling this will end up being an additional tool in the toolbox rather than a replacement. I've seen many AR killers come along and supposedly be the next new issue rifle only for them to end up being used pretty much solely by special ops guys in addition to the M16/M4 rather than a replacement. Younger folks often forget this and buy into claims that that the M16/M4 is going away. One example of this is the SCAR. It was originally supposed to a replacement and not a supplement. Now we pretty much only see the SCAR17 and only in limited use. I imagine the same will happen here.
@cobruh836 Жыл бұрын
i am sceptical of everything, so i agree
@cobruh836 Жыл бұрын
also cod players are gay
@noobtube3245 Жыл бұрын
@@cobruh836I am skeptical of your agreement
@TheCool_Guy23 Жыл бұрын
@@noobtube3245 I am skeptical of your skepticism
@madgavin7568 Жыл бұрын
The XM8 was supposed to that gun as well.
@UnKnown-bu3hw2 жыл бұрын
The fact that the optic let's you ping positions with your squad is mind blowing 🤯
@btglass602 жыл бұрын
That is going to be majorly deadly
@rayallen91662 жыл бұрын
First thing that someone is going to do is draw a dick with the ping marks
@tylerwalsh73102 жыл бұрын
And now consider the disadvantages to pinging
@tenchraven2 жыл бұрын
And while it is a "short range" RF signal, it still means a signature that can be detected intermittently for 40,000 feet due up. When you have a dozen or more of them, you give them a free gift- airstrike, artillery, whatever the flavor of the day is.
@Drownedinblood2 жыл бұрын
@@btglass60 there's going to be pings from everyone..
@paulwilson86722 жыл бұрын
One thing that everyone forgets is that when the military was using the M14, and during Vietnam using the M16A1, we didn't have the M249 or now the M250. These are fire team level fully automatic weapons. In a fire team (in the Marine Corps) you have fully automatic gunner (M250), an assistant gunner (M5 simi-auto), a rifleman (M5 semi-auto), and the fire team leader and grenadier (M5 and/or grenade launcher). Only one person is to have their weapon on full auto. The M4 only has a burst of three rounds, (recently switched to full auto). In any case you're not suppose to put it on those settings (burst of full auto) except when being over ran. You will always be more effective with semi-auto except at very close range (trench fighting). So the concern about full auto on the M5 is valid to a small point. What you did miss is the additional 2 lbs for optics. Now how that new optic will help or hinder people will be found out once it gets deployed. Most new weapon systems don't survive first deployments as is. A private can break anything!!! Even unbreakable items. Where there is a will there is a way. Murphy's Law is alive and well. In my day we only used iron sights. When the Marine Corps switched to the ACOG all of us old Corps didn't trust it. Yet the Corps went on faith (and 2 years of field testing) to use the ACOG. Once the Marines were being accused of war crimes because of all the head shots they were getting, caused us old Corps to change our opinions. We will need to take another leap of faith on this. Great review!!!
@michaelfarinola50442 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@matteocesa90172 жыл бұрын
The problem of being able to carry less rounds still stands tho, and its not a small one; you cant suppress much(even with a SAW) if your squad is out of ammo. On the other hand you need the round to be lethal enough, otherwise it doesnt matter how many you can carry, both concerns are valid. Polymer cased ammo seemed a good way to mitigate the issue of weight to some extent, and imo was the truly meaningful innovation of the program, its a shame they didnt give it a chance, but perharps it was too big a leap. The rifle itself seems to be a modernized scarH with a spicier load, a bit underwelming. I'd love to shoot them side by side, maybe it would change my mind
@hefeibao2 жыл бұрын
The kids are too young to remember - totally agree with you.
@paulwilson86722 жыл бұрын
@@matteocesa9017 Fair. You are 8-10 less per mag. The belts will still be 100 rounds. I think the idea is that you will have a more accurate weapon (new optics) and more lethal (better penetration), and require less rounds to inflect damage (guessing). It is a leap of faith in any direction you go. In WWII we only had 8 rounds and the Garand ping that the Germans listened for. I think the recoil is more manageable than than the M14 or what we are imagining. We need to field it and break it and then we will know and can fix it.
@paulwilson86722 жыл бұрын
@@hefeibao LOL!!!
@Johnzen03 Жыл бұрын
My primary gripe with this rifle is its 100% engineered around the .277 fury round to operate properly with the 13” barrel. Without that cartridge you’re simply shooting a .308 from a very short barrel.
@anarchyamp10 ай бұрын
Yup
@nickhowatson47459 ай бұрын
the civilian version of the rifle comes with 16 inch barrels for both .277 and .308.
@stevenkraus1679 Жыл бұрын
Just held one at the Sig pro shop. It's very heavy! Literally feels twice as heavy as a military m4 even if it's not technically. I can't see this being standard issue
@syricsjr082 жыл бұрын
Previously on GT: “plate carriers are more common place now, here's how to set yours up" GT now: "Why would the government switch to an AP round with less overall ammo?" Coincidence? I think not
@RusskiyMed2 жыл бұрын
Because they might use against its own citizens to enforce a mass disarmament of lawful abiding citizens.
@TheAnonymous1111112 жыл бұрын
Head, shoulders, knees and toes bro
@Dante_S550_Turbo2 жыл бұрын
@@TheAnonymous111111 we're just gonna add velcro to everything and strap up mags everywhere. careful not to get ammo racked as a walking tank XD
@sigspearthumb88562 жыл бұрын
@@TheAnonymous111111 what is that referencing lol
@bn-tc2tk2 жыл бұрын
@@sigspearthumb8856 soft points of armor
@KGBBooks2 жыл бұрын
If history is any guide, in America’s next war the soldiers will be like, “Wow, this rifle sucks in these conditions. We got any of those old M4s in storage somewhere?”
@willw80112 жыл бұрын
That and the Krauts will refuse to sell parts and new rifles, because they would rather lick whatever dictators' toes for a few euros. The US Military should become independent of foreign companies and foreign designed/ made weapons.
@budisutanto59872 жыл бұрын
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
@uploadstuff17622 жыл бұрын
honestly even if the rifle turns out to be successful you are correct about what a shit-show new weapon system rollouts usually are. look up the debut of the Bradley
@martyc15332 жыл бұрын
More likely “Wow, this rifle sucks in these conditions. We got any of those old M14's in storage somewhere?”
@deriznohappehquite2 жыл бұрын
@@martyc1533 This rifle is basically a better M14.
@clueless3398 Жыл бұрын
2800+ from a 13in barrel is insane. I’m curious to see how the cartridge performs as a precision rifle.
@Pokebattleleague9 ай бұрын
Can't you get like 2700 out of a 556 13.7? I guess it's a smaller round but still :/
@ROTTWEILER_RED958 ай бұрын
Keep in mind the military version of the 6.8x51 with the hybrid case is supposed to reach 3000fp/s with a very good ballistic coefficient, it should excell as a DMR within 1000m. Think 6.5 Creed performance but with faster velocities and with a 13" barrel
@jwballhard Жыл бұрын
So the AR15 and Scar had a baby .... ok cool
@TheKinslayer7772 жыл бұрын
It seems like it may be a decent rifle, what I would really like to see is someone on the shorter side (or a less experienced shooter) shoot the full power ammo side by side with Garand Thumb. It would provide a good contrast.
@adamho80592 жыл бұрын
@Commie Hammer yeahhhh, homie was getting shoved by this thing
@Wonderboy2052 жыл бұрын
@@adamho8059 I think he was using the military ammo where as GT was not.
@adamho80592 жыл бұрын
@@Wonderboy205 makes sense, but I’m not sure that’s a good thing. I’d imagine that your average soldier would be less experienced that either of these guys and would get pushed around just as much
@FinalLugiaGuardian2 жыл бұрын
How tall is Garand thumb exactly?
@yeahnahyeah41132 жыл бұрын
Honestly how is the new woke transformer, bundle of sticks, Female Dominated US military ment to operate this weapon and use it to the full extent of its capability
@TheBrigandBob2 жыл бұрын
GT out here showing us why training is important. Recoil control is hands down THE BEST I have seen on this weapon. Watching literally everyone else shoot it, you would think it's an unweildy weapon that can't be used. Shows you how much people need to spend more time training and less time filming.
@chrisclark61612 жыл бұрын
To be fair, he outright says he's using a lower pressure round. Given the full brass case and the specs from other civ spec 6.8 he's probably shooting a round that's around 20,000-30,000 psi lower than mil spec
@michaelschwab95632 жыл бұрын
You just described what I see in the range weekly. People's recoil management/stance/control is Awful.
@Sylique2 жыл бұрын
I second this!
@TheBrigandBob2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisclark6161 also fair. Would like to see him slinging some full pressure rounds. I have a suspicion that he manages the recoil with similar results. He's also the first person I've seen running a BCM foregrip (reversed) on that weapon and running a proper C-clamp on it. But you're right, full pressure rounds would be nice to see. Maybe in a few years when they're actually available.
@Tusk-ruk2 жыл бұрын
He clearly states that he is not firing the high-pressure military round in the montage, so the excellent recoil management he demonstrates is not representative and can't be compared to the footage of the actual round other sources have provided. We'll have to wait to get a fair comparison ground.
@human_32452dgbhedh Жыл бұрын
As an infantryman right now, my main concern with this rifle is the weight and the amount of ammunition we're going to be carrying is going to run out quick. I've actually held the rifle before, and it would suck to haul that for miles at a time. An M4 is proven, light and adaptable to any situation. We're also moving to a more conventional warfare role instead of GWOT, so engagement ranges are going to be less, we're going to be fighting in cities, and doing more CQB. I'd hate to use this in urban warfare. It seemed short-sighted of them to produce a new weapon like this when the M4 has proven itself capable in any situation, urban or rural.
@lost6672 Жыл бұрын
You prolly have very little experience based off this assessment
@callum1465 Жыл бұрын
@@lost6672 you probably have 0 experience with this weapon, Have you even held the rifle? Your opinion holds no value.
@LordStraightBanana Жыл бұрын
That’s because the people responsible for this kind of decision will likely have been given a massive brown envelope by the weapon manufacturer.
@Nickoftime2023 Жыл бұрын
I gotta agree with you, brother. I'm not an infantryman. I'm a medic. But we usually carry an m4 and an m17. If you've been rucking for 10, 15, 20 miles, you know that every pound makes a difference. After 20 miles, a 9 pound rifle is gonna feel a lot heavier than 9 pounds. The combat loads being reduced is also concerning. Ammo goes quick, and if you're trying to suppress a position, I want more ammo. I think the new MG is a good move. But I am not convinced on this rifle at all. But I guess time will tell.
@lost6672 Жыл бұрын
@@callum1465 6 years in the army as an 11b. 3 of which spent in 3/75. I’ve had plenty of experience.
@HentaiHangover7 ай бұрын
This thing is insane on Tarkov
@Technotranceism2 жыл бұрын
Between the scar and this rifle, I like the fact that most of the functionality of the old m4 still remains visible, probably to make soldiers more able to adapt!
@mrdark9916 Жыл бұрын
No way bro... Lol
@Technie87 Жыл бұрын
Personally I don't understand this ammo OR gun. Since they are still using AR-10 magazines, it seems redundant making an entire new round for "armor piercing" abilities when you can modernize the 7.62x51mm and push more pressure out of it(or just use the same 7.62); no need to reinvent the wheel. The Ruger SFAR did an amazing job keeping the AR-15 chassis with a .308 chambering. Its capable of a 30 round magazine while keeping the same layout that everyone knows. Fits the "keep it simple" assessment AND it would have saved MILLIONS of dollars in contracts that are now going towards a gun manufacturer and not some other government project, or civilian project.
@McTrollenstein Жыл бұрын
@@Technie87 He said why. It's to carry more rounds.
@weeboftheleft5113 Жыл бұрын
@@Technie87 Because this ammo is more effective then the 7.62x51mm, on top of being lighter weight and allowing you to carry more of it effectively. Also, the idea of 'don't reinvent the wheel' doesn't really work with Ammo in the modern age. Every military is on the hunt for the new future round for their military processes. The same way we developed 5.56 post WW2 and the USSR came up with the 5.45 in the same time frame.
@Technie87 Жыл бұрын
@@weeboftheleft5113 Well its more effective on papierre.
@Spushed2 жыл бұрын
If you swap out the operator foregrip for the ranger foregrip you'd reduce vertical and horizontal recoil by 12% only at a cost of 10% reduced ADS movement speed...
@jonahjones57362 жыл бұрын
Rangers are operators also what is a ranger grip or operator grip?
@user-ob6gc3io6i2 жыл бұрын
@@jonahjones5736 it's just a video game joke, like Call of Duty and that stuff.
@USMCLib3rty2 жыл бұрын
@@jonahjones5736 boomer….
@TheChadavis332 жыл бұрын
Ha!
@redcell96362 жыл бұрын
or you could use RKP zenitco grip and get that massive ergo boost. (head, eyes) for days.
@ricosnake35917 ай бұрын
but is it good in tarkov?
@Llkc607 ай бұрын
fair point on suppression, in the vietnam war they used the m60 machine gun which had many problems and did not perform well, it was also less available than m249 or m240 today. New squad tactic will be deploying SIG M250 for suppression while deploying the xm5/7 as an assault rifle, technically a 'battle rifle', even DMR in the right hands. Furthermore the US did not pursue invasion in Syria, moved out of Afghanistan, they are not planning large invasions like the one against Iraq. Recent wars showed a more held back response where amreicans mostly intervened through bombing campaigns and supporting proxies on the ground (Syria, Libanon, Ukraine where we didn't even see direct air force involvement.) As it has always been the case after imperial expansion such as in the Middle East they move to protecting their proxies: Kurds in Syria, government forces in Ukraine; their puppets: Iraqi government forces as well as supplying occupant american forces in Iraq. Looking at these geographies all of them favor long range engagements where the SIG Spear will shine. Furthermore high levels of mechanization and much better logistics (compared to vietnam), the ease of employing the same caliber for all squad weapons, more accurate weapons, much better trained soldiers, computer assisted aiming make up for the drawback of heavier ammunition. Also as I outlined above the army is mainly preparing for defensive wars on flat terrains, everything makes sense about this adoption. And then we didn't even mention the needs of the long war in Ukraine: all the decommissioned arms, ammo, parts can be shipped to the proxy there.
@sandmanlxv2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a lot of controversy surrounding this rifle but to me, it makes sense. Regarding your point about volume of fire winning firefights, and not being able to carry as much 6.8 vs 5.56; my own experience tells me this isn’t going to be as much of an issue as we might expect. very recently we (British Army) have been moving away from the philosophy of filling every square inch of an enemies space with hot lead. We phased out our FN Minimi’s and instead of having an LMG gunner per section, we now have a 7.62 sharpshooter in every section instead. Filling much the same role as intended by your new Sig rifle. I think most modern western forces are going to go through this “evolution” in tactics. We learn from every conflict, we’re not totally regressing back to the Cold War era mentality, and carrying large powerful rifle cartridges, but we understand the limitations of our current ammunition technology. I don’t know if I’ve articulated myself particularly well, but the new Sig and it’s ammunition makes sense to me.
@Dim21342 жыл бұрын
Still can't deny the appeal of lead hoses. Something enticing about the idea no?
@elshootiboi18612 жыл бұрын
For the kind of war we faced in Afghanistan that combat philosophy works. But in a near peer war, I'm not convinced that volume of fire has taken the back seat. The war in Ukraine will be the big study on what does/doesn't work at the end of the day for near peer fighting though.
@ShimmeringSword2 жыл бұрын
@@Dim2134 I think the idea is if you're gonna hose, have it come from a gunner trained in that role with an appropriate weapon. Having the entire squad emptying their mags into the air drains everyone. Make at least half your composition use the Spear and now the enemy knows they're peeking into a wall of essentially DMRs. Psychological suppression. In the cold war those big battle rifles were using irons, not delivering the same precision we can now. They weren't giving up as much as we are now by focusing on suppressive fire.
@Dim21342 жыл бұрын
@@ShimmeringSword No, I get the idea of the doctrine. It's just that there's still a lot of theory involved and us in the chairs, at least myself in the chair for what I know, I can only weigh things from a position of safety so I don't know. We won't really know until it's tested and money is put where our mouth's are you know? Still I kind of understand what you're getting at and I get the arguments for both sides but frankly we don't know how doctrine or even how the troops will evolve tactics to support these weapons yet since... doctrine is only useful if it works you know?
@manictiger2 жыл бұрын
@@ShimmeringSword They wouldn't be peeking out. Mirrors have been around for longer than guns.
@posgarden88282 жыл бұрын
They have both charging handles so when the stock is folded over you can still load and clear without having to extend the stock.
@dgtldead2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention it has an easier adoption. I don't understand why having more options without increasing complexity is a bad thing. The experienced can use what they want, and the newly trained can adopt either/or. For me, its like saying ambidextrous controls are a bad thing.
@Natedoc8082 жыл бұрын
I much prefer a non-reciprocating left side charging rifle vs the AR style as you can charge the weapon without unshoukdering the weapon or losing sight picture... although this mainly becomes an issue with a malfunction as hot weapon on safe is the way to roll
@wtice46322 жыл бұрын
@@dgtldead but it does increase the complexity and dirt ingress points. This thing sucks
@dgtldead2 жыл бұрын
@@wtice4632 I meant in regards to manufacturing. The rear charging handle and side charging handle can effectively be activated from the same point, only adding a contact point. I'm sure there's more to it, but in the overall sense, it isn't too complex. In regards to operational complexity, the user just has to get used to operation from a side-mount perspective ie making sure dirt doesn't get in from the side.
@Banefulailment2 жыл бұрын
As long as the SAW gunners do their job it shouldn't be an issue
@aaronhunter5464 Жыл бұрын
i swear this guy looks so cool shooting any gun
@gassedupsubuwu9 ай бұрын
That AR T-handle is one of the things that pushed me to the AK first. Recent developments in aftermarket ARs has brought me back to the middle ground though, in particular the MCX and other AR-18/180 derivatives
@50megatondiplomat282 жыл бұрын
Supposedly, this weapon isn't complete without the "fire control system", which allegedly will negate some of the "problems you foresee". I'm skeptical, but I assume there are many professionals who have already tested the system and agree that the concept functions and provides us a significant overmatch. If all of that is true, and they are able to train the average troop to take advantage of all that overmatch, then I'm all for it.
@JohnSmith-yx8kf2 жыл бұрын
Yeah to me that looks like just more complication that the average soldier has to deal with. I've heard military dudes talk about how hard it is just getting average guys to understand how to use the BDC in an ACOG. If it all works it'll be awesome, but i just don't see the average soldier using it to its potential, and it has a lot of stuff to go wrong compared to something like an ACOG. Hope i'm wrong, because in a vacuum the technology looks amazing.
@kxkxkxkx2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm sure a bunch of woke female truck drivers can handle a 12 pound rifle just fine 😂😂😂
@brianmanning92712 жыл бұрын
@Riorozen have you shot this?
@USMCLib3rty2 жыл бұрын
The average troop has 80IQ mate
@gregbagel7912 жыл бұрын
“If it works then I like it” basically what you said dude, way to make a very decisive argument…
@Divenity2 жыл бұрын
I think it makes a lot of sense as a specialist rifle, for certain people like a Designated Marksman... just use .277 as a replacement for 7.62x51 and keep 5.56 as the standard for the regular infantry.
@brokeandtired2 жыл бұрын
Technology has moved on...insurgents are rocking body armour now. Its about post penetration lethality.
@RadDadisRad2 жыл бұрын
I think that’s what is going to happen. The M4 will stay the standard infantry rifle. This will become a DMR and squads will either replace their current DMR setup or they will add this as a supplement.
@LIONTAMER3D2 жыл бұрын
the military thinks otherwise & they do war fighting for a living =/
@isaiahgriffin89202 жыл бұрын
In terms Ww3 or civil war 2 miltary might need everyone in the squad to effectively engage longer distances effectively 😅
@takistanirefugee30792 жыл бұрын
@@LIONTAMER3D No, the brass thought otherwise because they needed to justify their bloated budget
@GetOnWithIt_2752 ай бұрын
Binge watching your videos is a guilty pleasure of mine. You guys do a very nice job with the production. 0:48 to 0:60 the quick snap movements, suppressing a large sector alone... into the mag change at the end gave me all 2 inches my friend! I thought it displayed the versatility of this rifle well in a possible defensive posture. Looking forward to seeing the kinks worked out and getting her streamlined. $4500?!? OUCH Loved the M1A video as well, keep up the good work boys 🤟
@Jarod-vg9wq Жыл бұрын
That opening was better then all of battlefield 2042
@scottdickson92242 жыл бұрын
18:25 For what it's worth, for my line infantry company in 2008/2011 we honestly shot somewhere between 250 to 400 live rounds through our rifles in a calendar year. It was a bit of a joke how little we shot "to maintain proficiency". Gearing up for deployment it'd be closer to 200 or 300 a month, but still. Everything else was blanks with BFDs. Very OSUT-esque. Mileage may vary of course. My unit was probably trash, too. Just figured I'd throw this in there.
@devinmansanarez32602 жыл бұрын
Lol i guess some things never change.
@othernamesweretaken18712 жыл бұрын
That has not changed in my experience.
@LanguagesWithAndrew2 жыл бұрын
Sounds exactly correct, that's just a tad more than what we were doing in the Marine Corps reserves in 2003-2007ish (I was an 0341). It's one of the main reasons I got out: I was just so disappointed with the training we were getting, I didn't have confidence in my abilities or that of my fellow Marines.
@elgato95342 жыл бұрын
So.... we have an all volunteer military. It ain't the Vietnam thing anymore ( GOD BLESS THOSE WHO SERVED) Take it from the USMC. Not much chance of jungle War with Russia or PRC.
@lexluthor85392 жыл бұрын
In my time with the 101st Airborne as an infantryman from 2014 to 2018 we actually shot a ton of live rounds during training. I would shoot about 300 rounds in one day of training. When I moved up to be a Weapons Squad leader my machine gun teams would put out about 600 rounds or more in a day. We were in the field quite a bit, a lot was shooting blanks but we did shoot a lot of live ammo as well.
@KC_Smooth2 жыл бұрын
I was all excited like “Damn he’s handling that reportedly high recoil very well!”, then he said he wasn’t using the higher pressure 227’s 😭.
@lastdayonearth83812 жыл бұрын
The Department Of Defense Should Be Ashamed.
@peasantjeff47312 жыл бұрын
I was watching MAC the other day and they said they wouldn’t be surprised if they nerf the round to GT’s pressure or even re-chamber this into regular 7.62x51 NATO, and I completely agree.
@Grinchlip2 жыл бұрын
@@peasantjeff4731 doing either of those things invalidates the entire rationale for this rifle and caliber. They'll do neither.
@evildrizzt12 жыл бұрын
@@Grinchlip They will. Once they realize that the recoil makes the hit to miss ratio weird.
@firewalker67122 жыл бұрын
He's not the average shooter. Look at other people shooting it. It's throwing them around.
@BishopfamАй бұрын
"The MCX in .566 versus the MCX spear is you versus the guy she told you not to worry about" ... I'm dead lol
@robskovira5626 Жыл бұрын
I think where he missed the mark was one of the things the testers put into priority was lethality of the round. Too many times during the Iraq and Afghan wars was lack of lethality. Soldiers putting 8-10 rounds into enemy combatants and because of the adrenaline drugs what have you enemy combants weren't going down. Even at close ranges. The Army knew from the get go, they were going to a heavier round. Hence why they went with 6.8 or larger. In vietnam 5.56 was good enough due to all the leaves and brush the bullets were going through led to the bullets beginning to tumble prior to hitting their respective target doing more damage. However the 5.56 doesn't didn't hold up. The Army wanted something more lethal. that's why they went with a larger caliber both for longer range accuracy and up close lethality. in an Urban enviroment soldiers don't have the time to stack 7-8 rounds ona single target before moving onto the next. Put 2-3 on him then move to your second target. Before anyone says it, target placement is better anyway. Put one in the Dome or the heart and the guy goes down. Yeah sure, but the average infantrymen doesn't get that level of training to accurately put rounds in those smaller target areas.
@sierratango12222 жыл бұрын
My 2 cent is this: yes the Army as adopted this rifle, and it seems to be a great rifle; but like GT said in the video, this is aimed toward the infantry units, direct action units (SF, 75th, etc.). As for the rest of the Army, Reserves and Guards included, the M4s will stay around for a long, long time. Now infantry platoons in the 82nd, 101st, 10th Mountain, etc., will probably get outfitted with the Spear rifles and MGs in the next 3 to 5 years. But for the rest of us POGs, it'll be DECADES before we even see this; especially if you're Reserves or Guards. Heck, my current arms room still have tons of M16A2s and M9s and those are still being used. Would I like to have this rifle for myself, absolutely! But as a Medical POG, the M4 and M18 are plenty for me.
@Liam-ly8rv2 жыл бұрын
The major issue with that will be the ammunition difference if the US military is involved in a major conflict that requires activation of those Guards or Reserve units.
@evannmason63762 жыл бұрын
You’re correct that POGs in the part time service don’t need it haha
@replynotificationsdisabled2 жыл бұрын
I doubt SF guard will have to wait, but you know everything it seems.
@mainnerd22222 жыл бұрын
@@evannmason6376, I was a Combat Engineer in the reserves before I went active. Served a tour in Afghanistan with them, cleared routes of IEDs, saw a lot of combat, slept in the same grime and hell hole, etc. We used all the same gear and weapons the rest of the Army did. It would be stupid not to get the reserves and guard the same equipment and trained on it, especially if you have to go to war with a major power like Russia or China and you need the bodies from the reserves and guard.
@CrowBag2 жыл бұрын
Im still jealous of you yanks with all your pretty toys.
@Ws_minion2 жыл бұрын
The XM250 looks great and I think this would be epic as a DMR or an option, like you said, for missions that have the majority of firefights taking place at 400-500 meters but I think the military is going to rediscover the same lessons pretty quickly when their guys are saying that carrying less than half the number of rounds you can carry with a 5.56 just isn't enough. I really don't think the ability to defeat body armour is important enough to offset the round deficit.
@TheUsmc08022 жыл бұрын
As someone who has deployed and engaged targets that wouldn’t stop with (1) 556, this concept is relevant. 556 doesn’t put people down past 200m. When my DMRs/Snipers weren’t taking the M39 or M110 I did instead as the stopping power of the 762 projectile far off set the less rounds I took as one round stopped the engagement.
@dprov18772 жыл бұрын
Buy the solders a gym membership and the heavier ammo wont be a issue
@trofchik94882 жыл бұрын
It's ability to defeat modern body armor is questionable as well. M14A1 API out of 20" barrel can't penetrate modern Russian plates. 6.8 is overpressured and afaik uses tool steel in it's penetrator but it's shot out of 16" barrel. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j92cmZmmxqramoU.html
@dustinhill3302 жыл бұрын
Are they setting up to switch to the polymer case rounds though? I don’t know much about what pressures those can take but certainly helps the weight
@jaypee3892 жыл бұрын
@@TheUsmc0802 You need a Spear in .375 Fury. 250 Grain at 2600 FPS. 16 inch Barrel. Shoots through buildings like a DShk.
@Ünderratëd_bis7 ай бұрын
bro your build is way to expensive like a mill roubles for a gun is insane man i could buy a whole kit for that money
@toastysavce.1608 Жыл бұрын
I think my favorite part about these videos is the beginning montage/edit
@marktwain20532 жыл бұрын
This could be good in a "Tier" system, being issued to troops depending on what type of terrain they're operating in. It would be great in desert or mountains, but in jungles, you would run into the same problems we had in Vietnam with the M14. I guess it will do until we can make a Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range!
@salvadorbuschittari68702 жыл бұрын
In the end having more specialized divisions looks like the way to go
@stevenmike18782 жыл бұрын
it might be closer to the 1918 Bar or m1 garand in the ww2 pacific jungles/korea thru Vietnam which have a great track record. both the m14 - m16 failed the Vietnam reliability test. so the m14 isn't a reliable representation as it was the rifle design more failing then the cartridge.
@powerbad6962 жыл бұрын
Mark,has this new weapon been tested in a desert environment ??? That's my main concern for soldiers who may have to fight in the desert again.
@TechnoMinarchist2 жыл бұрын
@@powerbad696 No one in the west will be fighting in the desert for at least the next 50 years. And if we do, it'll be in Western China.
@powerbad6962 жыл бұрын
@@TechnoMinarchist You mean,you hope we don't !!! Things are subject to change.The new army is marsh-mellow SOFT.And when the army first started fighting in Iraq they were a hot mess !!! LOL. No up-armored vehicles,trying to turn non-combat arms into doing convy escorts,combat patrols. Soldiers who didn't know enough to clean their weapons,to points the weapons wouldn't fire !!! Ncos & officers didn't know how to read a map !!! In 2004,a 4 star general was on tv saying his troops didn't have AMMO and were going thru garbage to find something to use as armor for their vehicles.
@gob71162 жыл бұрын
I have a strong feeling that the spear xm5 won’t replace all M4s but will be relegated as the new DMR with that new vortex smart scope. Maybe some riflemans would have it, but likely not all considering the big reduction of fire superiority with less ammo. They’ll still get to be ran with the ngsw xm250 as the saw for ammo compatibility. DOD likely wouldn’t like the logistical nightmare of needing sig proprietary ammo for big army while other branches still use 5.56 with their newly procured HKs and noveskes. I’m guessing there could be a better m855a1 in the future with a beefier chamber on new barrels and perhaps a more robust bolt and bolt carrier group. Especially considering the relatively recent adoption of the urgi and the tango 6t, I’m thinking those m4s will get stretched a bit more. Similar to how 9mm made the millennium caliber .40’s reign so short-lived with ammo developments in view of wanting more capacity. In other news, US Army will soon be called SIG army. Ngsw: spear xm5 Ammo: 6.8 fury of sig Ngsw saw: xm250 6.8 can: sig Full size handgun: m17 Compact handgun: m18 Lpvo: 6t Sig Uniform and humvees next anyone?
@reyvan38062 жыл бұрын
Yeah agree it's self a great candidate for a DMR. With a flatter trajectory than 308 I'm sure more hits will achieved with it in combat. 1 or 2 of these plus 1 or 2 XM250s in a squad and the remainder with AR15 carbines would be a great mix. Add medium velocity 40I'm ammo for grenadiers and you have a squad that rocks from CQB ranges to beyond 600 AND can carry reasonable amounts of ammo.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
If they can realistically phase out 7.62x51 and replace it with 6.8 NGSW, that might make sense, provided you can maintain barrel life.
@Rensune2 жыл бұрын
It's a great DMR. Just not a regular grunt's weapon.
@mattwalters68342 жыл бұрын
Probably
@MrHav1k2 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but replacing a NATO standard round now when everyone is finally standardized on 5.56 and NATO is more relevant than ever would be.... odd.
@paowerhouse92 Жыл бұрын
I kinda wanna see a DMR version of the MCX Spear. Imagine the feet per second insanity of a 20+ inch barrel version of this weapon.
@TheRasta4ri4 ай бұрын
Sig bypassed the rigors of phase 2 testing to be adopted as preferred firearms of us military
@rickh93962 жыл бұрын
Agreed about this probably being a reaction to mountain fighting in Afghanistan. The generals are always preparing for the last war rather than the one they're likely to fight next. If they wanted longer effective range they could've just converted existing M4s to 6mm ARC or 6.5 Grendel and replaced ACOGs with the new Vortex smart scopes.
@nemisous832 жыл бұрын
problem with 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel is they only hold 25 rounds in a magazine and use a bored out bolt face which would lead to shorter parts life. So a lot of the same issues still persist just without the added benefit of a superior round like 6.8x51. if the 6.8x51 is simply to much SIG can always oblige the army with Maxwell conversion and new barrel to chamber what ever whizzbang intermediate caliber the army cooks up.
@samuelbishop33162 жыл бұрын
Nope The range is part of it, but they're preparing for china and russia's body armour
@notjaisavage7402 жыл бұрын
The entire system is basically designed to counter modern body armor, which kicks 5.56's ass currently.
@Duergantia2 жыл бұрын
@@notjaisavage740 I honestly thought that was the entire point, and I'm kind of surprised there's so much backlash. I was under the impression that our "near peers" wear armor, and 5.56 straight up can't penetrate it. That's it.
@paulsciria89212 жыл бұрын
I agree
@zacharyzier3142 жыл бұрын
I just realized an advantage that the XM5/XM250 will have over in urban warfare: The majority of peer/near-peer combat we are seeing in Ukraine that falls into the CQB realm is being decided primarily with superior initiative, better reconnaissance and with whoever is better at getting grenades into the enemy’s lap. There’s no real advantage to the Spear vs the M4 in the grenade aspect, the Army’s said the fireteam will retain its grenadier, whether it’ll be an underslung M320/M302 or something else I don’t know. But there’s the recon value: The Spear coupled with its new optic will be leaps and bounds more effective in seeking and picking off the main opponent of an infantry formation in an urban environment: Snipers. Now each American soldier can effectively act as a poor-man’s sniper, pinning, communicating positions and allowing other elements to move in and take tactical initiative. And overall the Army’s banking on its ability to be better aware of the battle space than their opponents, as evidenced by the sheer amount of information sharing and networked capability the infantry has now compared to what it did even as recently as Fallujah or Mosul. The Spear itself comes into play here in the ability of these weapons to make structures that were once considered cover against 5.56 penetrable to the average soldier if he knows what/who is there. This allows the Spear to use its size to its advantage by standing off and picking apart enemy units from locations placed at ranges that their weapons wouldn’t necessarily be able to punch through, and attempts at closing the distance would reveal their locations to superior reconnaissance and allow for counter maneuver to be conducted to defeat them or allow air support to counter them. It is either that or the enemy would be forced to vacate the position and surrender ground. At least, that is what I think (emphasis on “I think”) is the theory of the Army’s future tactics.
@DPolk982 жыл бұрын
Even if you’re wrong about literally everything you’ve said here, it’s still a really well thought out thought process
@landonmartin23632 жыл бұрын
@@DPolk98 fr 😂
@IAM-o7o2 жыл бұрын
@@DPolk98 ...but...but...but, whut abouwt mUh 556??? I thought the m4 in 556 wuz the gr8test thang since sliced bread, naw whut am I gunna dew??? -random fudd
@davidlacoste2 жыл бұрын
When i first saw the power of this new cartridge and the emphasis on armor penetration, my first impression was that the US higher-ups were planning a war against Russia.
@nelsonsham23682 жыл бұрын
If you think using a a literal Battle Rifle for CQB role is good, the M5 failed that role in every sense, and yeah you are just wrong, there is reason we go for 5.56 and AR for a reason, and not 7.62 with BR after WWII
@f.wallace8969 Жыл бұрын
I think they should make a few divisions worth of them, and keep them in storage. It makes sense to have them. They would be great for long distance environments or near peer countries. The majority of the time however, I think carbine is the way to go.
@robertlivezey7891 Жыл бұрын
Came here after watching Brandon Herrera’s review. Crazy how different the reviews were!
@ryanwesthoff57462 жыл бұрын
Totally should have stuck with side charging. I prefer that over the other for ARs. This is is probably the best review of this gun I have seen. Great job Mr. Thumb
@brighamruud50902 жыл бұрын
Mr Thumb😭😭😂😂
@Bobsonomatic2 жыл бұрын
He should rename to Mr Thumb, officially.
@mr.nobody682 жыл бұрын
My buddy has a side charging AR15 in 22LR I'll stick with traditional, thanks
@gtmike9162 жыл бұрын
Personally I’d like to run this with a 16-20” barrel configuration with Sig’s Tango MSR LVPO with 1-10x Magnification. This would make a killer DMR platform for sure.
@SeanMcDermott2 жыл бұрын
Except the Tango MSR 1-10 is entry level and you could do MUCH better.
@gtmike9162 жыл бұрын
@@SeanMcDermott True but I’d like to start off with less expensive glass to learn to shoot with an LPVO. I’d switch off to Sig Sayer’s more premium options or run something from Trijicon later after getting more practice.
@SeanMcDermott2 жыл бұрын
@@gtmike916 I get that but this rifle is $8000. Someone buying this would likely not put anything entry level on it.
@eastwood40062 жыл бұрын
@@gtmike916 no reason to start off with cheap glass. Buy once cry once with glass. If you're on a budget spend less on the gun. You can get a fine gun for less than several thousand dollars, glass you cannot
@gtmike9162 жыл бұрын
@@SeanMcDermott Right but like I said I would get the better stuff later after training.
@user-kb9tj9kl5o6 ай бұрын
I am literally alone in Virginia but your militant training keep studies more library than ever, I also learned to tame train "mature" dogs only.
@georgerobartes2008 Жыл бұрын
We had that leap in 1957 with the 7 mm NATO ( 280 Brit ) . The US has leaped from 7.62 NATO to 5.56 NATO and leaped back up to the 6.8 . No middle ground round that is accurate as a single shot but which could be sprayed if necessary for suppressive fire which the British gave in 1957 . More ammo with versatility .
@Guts35702 жыл бұрын
i think it's really the evolution of optics that's leading us back to long range accuracy in rifles, because it's going to become very easy for even inexperienced shooters to hit targets at very long distances as the technology progresses. the new optic supposedly lets you automatically zero the optic by pressing a button while aiming it at a target, and that sounds incredible. 20 round magazines in CQB doesn't sound very fun, but i suppose CQB is less of a concern in a near peer conflict than it has been during insurgency conflicts. we'll just have to wait and see how it performs in actual combat.
@adamkhan44512 жыл бұрын
CQB will be just as big of an issue. That’s not why the round was adopted it was because of body armor. But to defeat body armor you lose a little bit in other places. This one is body armor
@Alex-jf4ui2 жыл бұрын
you have a point about CQB. but i disagree. Urban warfare is here to stay. Ukraine has been sucking Russia into prolonged deathtraps in cities for a while now. But I'm not sure the 10 less rounds will make as big of a difference when you hit actually hit people twice as much or if all it takes is one shot to incapacitate.
@Debbiebabe692 жыл бұрын
The question is still, is a war against a near-peer opponent pure fantasy or likely to happen? No such war has existed since 1945. War after war has been fought, but none against near-peer opposition. If, by adopting this rifle, all you do is make it ten times more expensive to put a bullet in the stomach of a farmer off his tits on khat and fighting with an antique AK47 (the opponent most likely to be fought against), that is hardly an improvement.
@pvtmalo32172 жыл бұрын
You still gotta hit what you see.
@jonwinfield91932 жыл бұрын
@@adamkhan4451 XM5 won't even defeat current issue body armor. What are you on about?
@carsonbrown11032 жыл бұрын
What the US military has failed to realize, is that in truth… it’s nerf or nothing
@DanielRyanScott3 ай бұрын
In 2009 USMC infantry our company armory had M16A4, M4, M21 (M14 DMR) MK32, M79, 203, Beretta M9, 1911, M40 (Remington 700), M240B and M240G, M2, SAW, and probably more. The idea was "right tool for the job". Point being that there is nothing standard about standard issue. In Iraq I carried a M4. In Afghanistan I had a M16A4. I see the Spear as a modernized battle rifle for mear-peer military opponents because that's where future priorities are shifting and something that is currently lacking on a mass scale. Good choice imo. Also don't forget how much the M16 has changed. Those carry handles and triangle grips are gone, socom barrels, bolt redesigns, ect. I can see the M16 style charging handle getting phased out on the Spear.
@IPWNBXRmash Жыл бұрын
as an Canadian vet, i wish we could use suppressors, i just got compensated from the military for tinnitus and hearing loss, when i go to the range to shoot i just wish i could suppress my rifles, but lots of hearing protection is a must for what i got left lol, looks like a great rifle, i may shoot it some day,
@tobiasj.41992 жыл бұрын
9:38 "She is a thick boy" A modern rifle indeed
@Werepie2 жыл бұрын
This rifle and cartridge seem like an excellent M110 replacement! In-fact from looking at the ballistic charts, it seems that the 6.8x51 would make an excellent 7.62 replacement pretty-much across the board (due to higher muzzle velocity as well as ballistic coefficient) in stuff like GPMGs & MMGs (like the M240) But, when joes start running out of ammo in firefights more and more often because a 7 magazine loadout only gets you 140 rounds (vs the current 210 5.56mm) while also weighing more, I'd wager a lot of questions are going to get asked about why this was adopted for this role. As for armor penetration capability, I'm a bit dubious of the 6.8x51mm's capability given that NIJ IV plates (which I'll use interchangeably with SAPI & foreign equivalents) are rated to stop a larger, heavier, & faster bullet with a tungsten penetrator (The M2AP) than what this caliber can deliver. 6mm ARC seems much better suited to the "Oh no, our infantry rifle can't reach out far enough" problem that was endemic of the war in Afghanistan, without sacrificing the M4's size or weight, and only moderately compromising on magazine capacity (30 rounds being reduced to 25, rather than 20) while still keeping the same magazine form-factor (As opposed to the significantly bulkier AR-10 pattern magazine)
@ObiWanShinobi9172 жыл бұрын
30-06 will be hitting with 60,000-70,000PSI even while using Tungsten tips. The SPEAR can hit with 80,000PSI using regular ammunition, and even harder with AP rounds. Thats a SIZEABLE difference in terms of striking force. So your thought process about it not hitting as hard as the 30-06 is incorrect. This thing hits much harder. Can it penetrate as far as a 30-06? Perhaps not. But it'll get close due to the massive increase in striking force. And I guarantee you that if you get hit with this round, regardless of body armor, its going to put you on your ass and take you out of the fight all the same.
@TarterSauce2 жыл бұрын
@ObiWanShinobi The PSI is the operating pressures of the cartridge and not a factor in the ability of the projectile to penetrate armor. It is the mass and the speed, as well as the composition, of the bullet that determine it's ability to penetrate armor. I agree with everything stated by Caleb
@xthee_0nly_1x112 жыл бұрын
You’re far too logical for the comment section here. Be gone with you and your valid question asking ways!
@l5mtf3932 жыл бұрын
@@ObiWanShinobi917 psi is chamber pressure. Impact energy of a round is measured in joules, or kgs/pounds per ft/m2
@JoeZelensky2 жыл бұрын
@@l5mtf393 fpe
@josmaple5171 Жыл бұрын
Would have been interesting to see 8 m4 mags loaded on a chest rig Vs the mags for this and weight difference…
@trashpanda3142 жыл бұрын
I think Sig got it pretty much dead on with the spear for a service rifle. It’s an evolution, yes, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. The velocities coming out of it are pretty damn impressive, and the ammo will evolve and improve in short time. Ergonomically familiar. Quality components. Well thought out. I’m just a retired old grunt, but the Spear gives me a warm and fuzzy for our warfighters.
@DavidFrycSaber2 жыл бұрын
Seems like a a midway between a proper DMR and a standard infantry rifle. More rounds really are just more important than better rounds for standard infantry. The use for this seems like a SOCOM type of deal, replacing that shitty SCAR-H. Hard to see us moving away from 5.56 unless it was to use 5.45, which is really unlikely. I'd like to see a replacement for the M4 that's more reliable with less maintenance, and I think the Corps nailed it with the pick of the IAR. It's really smooth in operation, rugged, and accurate.
@bokiNYC2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidFrycSaber Just curious, why is SCAR-H crappy?
@g00gleisgayerthanaids562 жыл бұрын
@@bokiNYC its heavy, bulky, not as ergonomic, and shoots a .308 with not enough barrel to make full use of the cartridge. Its still a fantastic firearm just not a good infantry rifle, if only just because of the cost.
@CharlieBarkinTheDog2 жыл бұрын
@@bokiNYC watch this video he even said the scar H is bad. Holding the hand guard feels like holding a brick
@DavidFrycSaber2 жыл бұрын
@@bokiNYC Th reciprocating charging handle is annoying, and it kills optics for some unexplained reason. Way overpriced if you ask me. Optics are usually way way more expensive than guns are so I'd rather get a cheaper gun that still reliable like many AR's and AK's over some microscopic gains that some lab tests say the gun does better.
@GTTClan2 жыл бұрын
7:48 No photo popped up showing anything But awesome breakdown of the XM5. Absolutely love the design and function of this platform. I don't think anything will ever really replace an M4A1 or any AR15 platform for that matter, but this definitely has my acceptance of coming close.
@fqeagles212 жыл бұрын
And the Russian AK-12???? Hahahaah AR All the way
@artygeezy80082 Жыл бұрын
I’ll be infantry 11b in a few months in Fort Wainwright AK! I might see these by next year! Feeling pretty excited to try out 6.8! Hopefully Sig gets it right for our sake 😅! 🤘🏼🇺🇸
@russellrykhus9130 Жыл бұрын
The change to the 5.56 round was made because the military decided that it was better to wound someone as 3 soldiers would be needed to remove the wounded man from combat. Also, the 5.56 round was easily deflected by twigs and leaves such as found in a jungle environment. The increase in the number of rounds carried with the 5.56 round was offset by the fact soldiers rarely got a first round kill and most times it required 4 or more hits to be lethal. Which fits in with the military doctrine of that time.
@helipilotuh12 жыл бұрын
Gonna be interesting to see how long the barrels last, also given what just happened with the Army PT test, gonna be interesting to see how some people handle lugging a heavier system around.
@marktwain20532 жыл бұрын
Especially with the "New and Improved" 🤣 recruits that the military is allowing in!
@thomasroberts56582 жыл бұрын
Weight is always a problem with me I’ll keep my m4
@johnmartin64202 жыл бұрын
@@thomasroberts5658 this Rifle is going to the Infantry and not support personal, support personal likely will receive MCX, that is already in use by the U.S Army, Navy and Air Force special Forces and are replacing the worn out M-4's and HK-416 rifles as the weat out, the MCX has also been adopted or in the process of being adopted by various foreign militarys.
@brucesmith7652 жыл бұрын
@@marktwain2053 Yeah god forbid they let in those gays amirite?
@thomasroberts56582 жыл бұрын
@@johnmartin6420 ok
@MrBurns09222 жыл бұрын
Our standard load out was 7 magazines. I had 28 rounds in each for 196 rounds. 7 20 round mags would only be 140 rounds plus all the new pouch’s they need to hold the new mags. I like the rifle but the logistics of it look daunting.
@xkavarsmith93222 жыл бұрын
That's assuming troops don't just load the mags with 18 rounds like you did. So it's really just 126 rounds in total.
@brotherjew12 жыл бұрын
Good point man, I didn’t even think of that.
@johnmoore80672 жыл бұрын
It's not worth the weight. The rifle itself is 3 pounds heavier than the M4 before you figure the weight of the ammo you lose total round count for. "It's more powerful." So what? The 5.56 punches way above it's weight. This is "more powerful" but not as efficient as far as what you trade in round count.
@brotherjew12 жыл бұрын
@@johnmoore8067 That reminds me of when they tried to issue us all SCARs. Fucking thing has the exact same 5.56 rounds but it’s like 85 million pounds heavier, with no ballistic advantage.
@gsrawson2 жыл бұрын
We also need to discuss real estate. You only have so much space on your plate carrier, cummerbund, belt etc. You can only carry so many mags on your person, and the larger the mag, the less you can carry, regardless of weight. Given that the Spear mag appears to be the same rough size as most .308 20 round mags, you can only carry 2 mags in the same footprint as 3 M4 mags. So, for roughly the same amount of space on your person, if you're carrying 7 M4 mags (6 on your person, 1 in the gun), you're now carrying 5 (4 on gear, 1 in rifle) Spear mags, which means 100 rounds total. The weight of the mag is also a factor. I almost bet you that an empty Spear mag weighs twice that of an empty M4 mag. You're going to have more weight for less than half the ammo.
@alonsogarcia7064 Жыл бұрын
Such a badass intro 🔥battle of the universe such a good sound track
@samdesmet76375 ай бұрын
As I'm sure many of you have, I've read a lot of the history books written about American service rifle development. So many interesting questions as relating to previous doctrin . Almost like they've finally circled back and are trying to correct the issues with the M14.
@poh11262 жыл бұрын
Less than 30 seconds gang rise up
@nikanor81522 жыл бұрын
That's what she said
@DontHasselHoff2 жыл бұрын
I’m here. But I read less than 3 inch
@chenholmes63932 жыл бұрын
Yes sir
@misc3762 жыл бұрын
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@hanshazlitt45352 жыл бұрын
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@justsomeguy922r32 жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, one of Sig’s representatives did say their new cartridge technology could be applied to other already existing cartridges and significant performance increases could be gained by doing so. I’m no expert, nor do I know the exact details of the NGSW program, but did anybody on that board raise their hand and ask sig to apply the bimetal case to 5.56 or any other actual intermediate cartridge that already exists to improve said cartridge’s performance and still retain roughly the same size as the m4/m16? The DOD keeps talking about how they want to keep up with near-peer threats like China, but China has a roughly 3 million man military. So the U.S army’s solution is to adopt a heavier rifle with less magazine capacity and most likely a lower ammunition load out than 5.56? Once again, I’m no expert, but it seems to me there is a disconnect here. The rifle seems like it is a good rifle, wether or not it’s a good standard-issue rifle remains to be seen. EDIT: You guys all correctly brought this up, and yes, I do understand the m4 would require retrofitting, perhaps to a substantial level, in order for it to be able to take high pressure bimetal cartridges. I do think it can be done, but it of course requires funds and resources I don’t have. I do love seeing you guys being all smart and scientific down here, though. Garand thumb’s comment section is far more intelligent then they give themselves credit for. Keep it up, gentlemen. 👍
@MrSpartan117fan2 жыл бұрын
The issue is the m4 wont handle the higher chamber pressures if they switch to the bimetal cartridges.
@Jakooooooob2 жыл бұрын
I recently got to talk to some of the sig representatives and they did indeed confirm that this ammo technology could be applied to about any cartridge as long as the weapon could handle the new chamber pressures crated by the new round
@Valorius2 жыл бұрын
NAS3 cases the tech of which sig is using, are already available in most common handgun and rifle calibers. They are also much lighter than brass.
@craigsteinkamp122 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the round performance is going to be like? I’m discussion of the foreseen conflict with China I think back to the stories from troops in Korea who were able to take down several Chinese soldiers at a time during mass charges because of the 30-06. I doubt China would forget the lesson learned there considering they hid their true losses as well as feared joining in Vietnam openly due to the losses in Korea.
@gregbagel7912 жыл бұрын
I think it’s more the concept of having a cartridge that significantly outranges the enemy, 5.56 made sense in Vietnam where you dealt with close ranges, but it was criticized constantly in the Middle East for its range limitations and if we’re expecting war in places like Eastern Europe and Asia, we may be dealing with far more open areas.