To Toozman, We can see how it is indeed a punishment upon the whole world, as Our Lady predicted on July 13, 1917, that God has allowed the Church to suffer such terrible persecutions, particularly the infiltration of homosexuals in the clergy. The scandal to the whole world is such that many people conclude that this cannot be the true Church, and even some people like yourself who know it to be the true Church conclude that it is best to stay away from the fold. But our salvation depends on recognizing our duty and our need to serve Our Lord as fervent practicing members of His Church.

Not only Rome, you have to watch what you hear locally at church.

I wish Father Gruner was the pope.

I have been away from the Church for a long time for various reasons. I know there are good true Priests still in the Church however they seem to be in the minority and the leadership seems to have forgotten where their power comes from. If they remembered it comes from God they could straighten out the problems of the Church in a relatively short time. However they have to have the will and the courage to do it. I have never lost my faith in God but I did lose my faith in the Catholic Church. I found myself over the years defending it when people started slamming it. I have been thinking about returning but after doing some research on what is going on in the church now, I don't know if it's would make any difference to me or anyone else. The rot in the organization seems to run to the bone. I see the state of things in Ireland and it is really unbelievable how shattered the relations between the people and the Catholic Church are. Growing up, the Catholic Church and Irish were synonymous. Both the Priests in our Parish in California were from Ireland. The Church is going to have to tackle these problems head on and on a top priority basis if it wants to survive. If the Vatican wants to dance around the problem and act like politicians then who needs the church. Instead of opening it's arms and trying to comfort and attend to the victims of the abusive clergy, they call the attorneys and whisper "little boys heal" . Well little boys don't heal and the assaults visited on them are wounds that last a lifetime and ruin most of their lives. In every message given to us by The Blessed Virgin Mother Mary, she tells us to pray the Roseary and repent because the Father is very angry. Can you blame him ???? Priests were always held to a higher standard because of their position amoung us and our most innocent, precious part of our family have become the favorite victims of the traitors to the Priesthood. Their actions have thrown a shadow across the Church which only the good loyal Clergy can cleanse with Gods help. However it will take more than our Prayers. It will take the Pope and the Cardinals and the Bishops to come out of their fog of denial and take action. We cannot blame it on the Third secret being kept secret, We cannot blame it on the Masons, We cannot blame it on Satan. Satan was defeated 2000 years ago by our Savior. We havent kept the watch and protected the gate. We must pray for forgiveness from God in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ take action to remove the traitors from within.

The current stance of Father Kramer is now different from yours. And he isn't mentioned much by you anymore. Are we, in your opinion, to steer clear of him and his views? I'd like to hear Father Gruner and Mr. Vennari talk about this. There has obviously been a break. I love and respect you all, and value your thoughts and advice and teachings. But... In your opinion, is Father Kramer not correct in his current stance? Should we not listen to him any more?

If you serve an earthly King, and that king becomes corrupt.. who are you going to trust?.......

God doesn’t lie but He and an earthly pope are not on the same level..

It's the Zeke 34v5 era...

Hmn... Sounds right. And, er, it is right - what these gentlemen are saying. In fact, it's obvious they are right.