The Vedic Gods | What is Rig Veda?

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A brief introduction to Rig Veda for Westerners. This video will help you understand the cultural and historical context of Rig Veda, Vedic Gods, and Vedic Religion. ‪@JackDonovan‬ explains why he thinks the manly, chariot-driving warrior gods of Rig Veda are worth learning more about, and how the life-affirming Vedic perspective can be relevant to men living today.
Rig Veda is one of the first books that member of the Order of Fire's First Men read, and Vedic ideas figure prominently in Solar Culture and ritual.
⚡️NOTES
Pronunciation in this video is not authoritative -- just a rough attempt -- and we'll have our Vedic guru make a pronunciation video in the future.
Proto-Indo-European migrations are the subject of ongoing and changing debate, and are only casually sketched out here to show the connections between European, Iranian, and Vedic cultures. For a higher resolution understanding, read David Anthony's The Horse, The Wheel, and Language and supplement with this pinned post from ‪@razibkhansunsupervisedlearning‬
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⚡️BOOKS MENTIONED + SHOWN
The Rig Veda: Complete (Illustrated) - Ralph T. H. Griffith Translation
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Mitra-Varuna by Georges Dumézil
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⚡️JACK DONOVAN
Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.
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@atharvbaghel2658 2 ай бұрын

Very inspiring. Hail Indra ☝🏼⚡

@mahivishaj Ай бұрын

Hail vedic Indra not puranic Indra ⚡

@abhijeetbaruah5461 2 ай бұрын

Unbelievably well done video. Golden words. Thank you for this.

@orderoffire 2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much.

@Gaurav-wd2vy 2 ай бұрын

Glory to the Lord Indra

@sahilsingh6048 2 ай бұрын

I would be happy if you also talk about underrated vedic Gods such as Dyāus Pitr' , Prajanya, and tvashtar.

@orderoffire 2 ай бұрын

Tvashtr would be worthwhile for a number of reasons. He is part of Indra's story, so I may discuss him then.

@123bcjnv Ай бұрын

One of the best compilation. Out of the box, simple yet meaningful .

@montanarichardson3482 2 ай бұрын

I'm not aware of any other primer for the Vedic gods that is this succinct and straight-forward, at least for the English-speaking westerner. This series has great potential to introduce a lot of men to a rich mythic tradition.

@orderoffire 2 ай бұрын

Thanks man

@SumiOccult 2 ай бұрын

Very entertaining video, mate. Thanks. ❤👍🙂

@Bjorn_Algiz 2 ай бұрын

Interesting video and informative ❤

@caffeineandphilosophy 2 ай бұрын

Awesome stuff

@bert4313 2 ай бұрын

Would love to see a video on Agni and Indra

@orderoffire 2 ай бұрын

In the next few weeks, I will do at least one of them.

@garyunwin1469 Ай бұрын

Love the energy from your community, bro shiva is present in the veda just in a more primordial form of rudra and sada shiva which too potrays an infinite column of fire the masculine essence Also make a video on the valor of the sun god

@Ash.Palmer 2 ай бұрын

☀️⚡🔥

@CoachJoshWood 2 ай бұрын

☀️☀️☀️

@kc4276 2 ай бұрын

One point to be noted is that there is, in fact, a mainstream 'sect' (or reform movement) within India (primarily northern India, around Punjab and Haryana) that still practices the Vedic religion and prays to the Vedic Gods: the Arya Samaj.

@narpungaved 2 ай бұрын

A comment worth "Delete button"

@sahilsingh6048 Ай бұрын

@@narpungavedno

@edrachel6251 Ай бұрын

Totally off-topic video production question: what lighting do you use in the background? Love them. Anyone is free to answer if you know. Thanks.

@orderoffire Ай бұрын

The two lamps were from Amazon if that's what you're asking about. Updated mid-century modern futurist vibe.

@edrachel6251 Ай бұрын

@@orderoffireThank you. My 23 year old son and I have been enjoying your videos. Thank you again for this important work.

@orderoffire Ай бұрын

@@edrachel6251 Great to hear

@sahilsingh6048 2 ай бұрын

I hope there will be no Angry Ultra nationalistic jingoistic spamm in this comment section .

@sahilsingh6048 2 ай бұрын

Perfectly explained , 10/10 from a kShatriya

@orderoffire 2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@achintya.venkatesh 2 ай бұрын

Great introduction to the lore and the life-affirming nature to derive from it - but I would like to add some interjections if you don't mind. The Vedic ethnogenesis at the outset was likely a syncretic exchange of cultural ideas of Andronovo horizon with the Harappans and the BMAC per the current ethnogenesis. Vedic Sanskrit already has several loanwords from the dead BMAC and Dravidian languages. So, it is culturally "mixed" at the beginning. The middle/later Vedic Gods are of a Rigvedic strain itself and are already present in the Epics in a big way - Shiva is Rudra and has several parallels to other IE hunter-mendicant Gods like Odin. Hanuman is a Striker God with connections to Vayu, Rudra, Indra, Agni and Vishnu - with a prototype existing in the form of Vrshakapi from RV book 10. Kali is a fierce, avenging aspect of the IE wife of the Sky Father archetype; akin to Demeter / Persephone / Skadi. Vak and Nirriti are also proto-Kali type figures in the RV and AV.

@Archiep2979 2 ай бұрын

Vak is actually proto saraswati not so much kali

@achintya.venkatesh 2 ай бұрын

@@Archiep2979 sure, agreed. Some shared characteristics, it'd probably derail this comments section but I'll perhaps elaborate later.

@orderoffire 2 ай бұрын

Our perspectives on Kali will differ, and that is fine. In 2024 I basically consider Kali-worship (especially by Westerners) to be feminist/Satanic. There is something wrong mentally with any man from the West who wants to worship a murdering female deity. In the east, the background and perspective and context are different -- so I don't make the same kinds of judgments about that. Of course, Solar Idealists are not looking at these figures as gods to actually, literally worship, but as ideals, so that kind of female ideal is not useful for our work.

@orderoffire 2 ай бұрын

Regarding the Andronovo comment -- I am very open to various theories and the information seems to change all the time. From my research, there seems to be a growing consensus that there was a lot of back-and-forth migration and intermingling of populations, which undermines the old "Aryan invasion" perspective. It seems to have been a more gradual thing. I am glad to see this, as it better reflects reality as I understand it, and I am no friend of the people who are obsessed with Proto-Indo-Europeans because they want to believe that one magical group of "white" people created everything good and interesting and beautiful and heroic in the world. I definitely do not believe that. In reality, groups of people intermingle and influence each other. We can see this all around us now and there is every reason to believe that people have always been this way.

@me-ou8rf 2 ай бұрын

@orderoffire if you are open to new ideas then I think you should explore these articles by Dr. Talageri. As you have said in the video, book 6,3,7,4,2 are the earliest family book of Rigveda. Well, guess what in Dr. Talageri showed that COMMON ELEMENT BETWEEN Rigveda, Avesta, Mitanni correspond to LATER NEW BOOKS. but under AIT one would expect that such COMMON ELEMENT should be more in the old book period, a period closer to the time when mitanni, indo-iranians and indo-Aryans diverged according to AIT model Check this talageri.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-recorded-history-of-indo-european_27.html

@Theshamanomar 2 ай бұрын

Aryana is based around Afghanistan. Pakistan was Afghanistan until 1930’s after British 3rd failed attempt to conquer them from British controlled India. Aryana-> Bactria -> Khorasan-> Afghanistan

@greaterbharat4175 2 ай бұрын

Afghanistan was not seprate Afghanistan Pakistan (the Punjab) hariyana region was Aryan land Sapt Sindhu in rigveda The asvaka were ruler of Afghanistan Hence and morden day Afghanitsan was named after asvakans

@greaterbharat4175 2 ай бұрын

Kamboja ( zoroastrians) and gandharians ruled over Afghanistan region (todays current Afghanistan by kambojas ) And swat valley region now in Pakistan was ruled by asvaka ( Hindu rulers )

@Theshamanomar 2 ай бұрын

@@greaterbharat4175 that is cap. 👎🏼👎🏼

@Theshamanomar 2 ай бұрын

@@greaterbharat4175 Pakistan was a part of Afghanistan during the time you are speaking of. Simple history.

@akashkp8707 2 ай бұрын

@@Theshamanomarur point too is valid, but Afghanistan have much older history. In vedic scriptures the Gandhar(Kandahar ) and Kashmir was in same janapadhas(group with same regional culture). Even in Mahabharat, the mother of emperor Dhuryodhan was from Gandhar which is known as kandahar now in Afghanistan. The bactria was later seperated from these empire and existed in their own, later buddhism was largely practiced there till islamic invasions

@Noob-uk4np Ай бұрын

Let make it clear, theory that Aryan were European or something it has proven completely wrong with the new findings of chariots in India ( Sinalui). That proves that India has horses.we had chariots older than any known civilization on earth. It will take time to be removed in textbooks about this Arayan invasion or picnic theory. Why don't you start with your video.

@sahilsingh6048 Ай бұрын

Sinauoi chariots werent chariots , but carts , carts are different from chariots, the wheels belonged to carts , its confirmed , and before you Raise Saraswati arguement , its also a misconception created by pseudo historians.

@sahilsingh6048 Ай бұрын

Aryans didnt migrate , there is no prove , it was an assimilation .

@sree18697 2 ай бұрын

OK now this white chap will teach billion hindus about hinduism..Rig vead is not a hindu book .. 😇😇😆.and shiva is not in vedas😆😁..Guy does't even heard of mahamrityunjay mantra in rigveda . i mean look at the confidence of this guy.

@sahilsingh6048 2 ай бұрын

Pajeeet andhbhakt shutup , if you cant digest truth than dont play Racial cards

@priyanshukaushik8586 2 ай бұрын

Your mahamrityunjya mantra is not in Rigveda, go learn your scriptures first. This white guy is doing more honor to the Vedic gods than we hindus have done.

@sree18697 2 ай бұрын

@@priyanshukaushik8586 mahamrityunjay mantra is rigveda 7.59.12.. now get lost...id@##ot.

@sree18697 2 ай бұрын

@@priyanshukaushik8586 mahamrityunjay mantra is rigveda 7.59.12.. 😀😀😀.now go and get a life boy..

@priyanshukaushik8586 2 ай бұрын

@@sree18697 Ahh! I was wrong. I was only aware of the one available in the Yajurved. Even then, this mantra doesn't have anything to do with Shiva, not even a single time his name appears. Saying Rudra (tryambakam) is Shiva is nothing but kanging at best. Just like Gujjars and Rajputs, both lay claim over Gurjar Pratihara Dynasty while the actual kings from that dynasty never claimed to be belonging to either. Rigvedic gods have become like the Gurjar Pratihara dynasty. Every ooga booga cult lays it's claim over the rigvedic deities as the embodiments of their particular cult gods. Be is Vaishnavas, Shaivas, Shoktians, lingayats or shrouta smaratas. It was the post Rigvedic soyciety which started equating shiva with the mighty Rudra of Rigvedas. Atleast the pre-rigvedic as well as the rigvedic aryans never worshipped anybody named Shiva. Anyway, you are too much preoccupied with your illusions and I don't like entertaining illusionary dindu trads.

@Archiep2979 2 ай бұрын

Very superficial take. Exoteric only. Perhaps explore Sri Aurobindo's discourse on the twin meanings of the word "go". And when Vak speaks you ought to listen and realize its not all male oriented at all...

@orderoffire 2 ай бұрын

It is meant to be exoteric. This is not for people who are interested in the esoteric, idiosyncratic takes of the many, many cults within cults associated with the Vedic and Hindu gods or various political movements with their own spins which all claim to be authoritative. It is a broad overview for Solar idealists. You have to WANT the Vedic material to be "female oriented" in the same way that Christians want Jesus to be masculine to say that it is "not male oriented." 95% of the material is about male gods.

@priyanshukaushik8586 2 ай бұрын

@@orderoffire The Rigvedic hymns are all high on masculinity. A good amount of epithets given to father Indra are all about strength and virility. Agni is literally called son of strength, Indra called the bvll and bull like. The thing is native scholars have completely subverted the meanings of these hymns and has attributed superficial and imaginary shitposts to same. The Vedas were labelled as 'apaurushiya' i.e. 'not composed by humans' as to mean 'words of god', thereby converting the Vedic literature into some sort of ooga booga stuff which eventually became contextually irrelevant. In my opinion, Hindus and Christians are quite similar. Christians worship a literal zoo and Hindus worship literal unarya (non-aryan) gods. Had the Arya ancestors been alive, they would have massacred the present day heendoos for being disloyal to the vedic pantheon. Them guys literally were fighting among each other for whether Indra is supreme or Varuna (the Zoroastrian cult is based on lord Varuna) and these guys converted both of these prime gods into minions who are, hardly of any use anymore.