Ahhh, so in order to get to Datto, we must first get Dacco and then Dasso

If this challenge confuses you, or you are wondering why the strategy contains extra steps (always 9+), give this a read - it might help. The reason for the extra steps is the shadows mechanic. I'll explain what it is, since it is still poorly understood by many (which is fair lol, this encounter's mechanics are very confusing). While you are inside, you may have noticed that the shapes the other players' statues are holding (shadows) disappear as you progress through the puzzle. This is what "Shadows Removed" on the scoreboard represents. Let's say the layout is TCS, and you're in the triangle room. If you were to receive a square from someone, you may notice that the statue on the right would lose the square its holding. The square shadow in your room is "removed" from your room, and your room only. Now, the three conditions for letting you break through the glass wall are often misunderstood, and yesterday we realized that they were inaccurate this whole time! The actual conditions are as follows: 1. You must hold two shapes, neither shape can be the shape your statue is holding. (this means two squares can work, if your statue is holding a circle) 2. All three dimensional figures outside must match what the players inside are holding, achieved through dissecting. 3. Both shadows (the shapes the other two statues hold) must be removed from your room. (iow: you must have received a square and a triangle at some point, if your statue is holding a circle) The source of all our misconception, is condition number three. When doing the encounter normally, the misconception that; "The key itself must be built from the OTHER two symbols." works, and raises no issues. As long as you ensure that every shape moves at some point, and that everyone receives a key constructed from the other two symbols, you will always fulfil condition #3. You will have sent away everything you have, before receiving the two shapes needed to remove the shadows in your room, which of course - also let you through the wall when held. When doing the challenge, you may be tempted to cut corners if you are dealt a "good" hand where everyone starts with two of their own symbol. But if you send your two circles to the triangle room, the square shadow will still persist in that room. Its contained player won't be able to get through the wall until they are sent a square. This is why the extra steps are required, we need to get rid of all shadows before anyone runs through. Shadows are the reason we must send at least six shapes in total when doing the encounter normally, no matter the permutation we're dealt. Six removable shadows, two in each room. When doing the challenge, the minimum number of sends will always be nine - since we must first get rid of all the shadows (6), before matching up again (3). hope this helps, ah finally even more geometry nonsense gibberish knowledge my brain can devour. good luck.

Hey don't call me out like that I raid once in a while.

I love how datto embraces his community with this intro

Man I'm not even three minutes in and I'm already taking psychic damage.

People on LFG are about to take that title personally

I feel personally attacked by that intro 😂

I enjoyed this live format style. It feels casual and informative, and it hits all the important topics without any fluff. Would love to see more of this!

The more "story telling" method of explaining is more entertaining to me and still gets the teaching across so I really liked this vid. Thanks for the explanation of the shadows as well. Forgot that was a part of it

Datto getting confused with C’s and S’s himself 😂

This makes so much sence! The lore of Verity is to deny everything the Witness gives you. You have to create 3 keys (inside) and 3 keyholes (outside) without using what he gives you. Wether you do this with 2 of the same one you are not holding or 2 of the different ones you are not holding doesn't matter cause in the end you still do the same thing, get out without using what the Witness gives you.

For those of you wondering why you can't just "double up and then pass both to 1 statue" right away, it deals with how you cleanse shadows. From my understanding (which has been poorly communicated by the community imo), the cleansing of a shadow/statue occurs when that statue receives both other shapes from other people(s) (can be from the same person or 1 from each). So if you are Circle, you need to have been given a Triangle and Square before - if I understand what is going on correctly). This is something my team has struggled with when trying to test "perfect shapes" and other "keys" beforehand. The community (from my research and experience with doing this encounter and watching guides) have been very bad at bringing this information to light on how the encounter works; they just focus on what steps and solutions lead to you getting out of the shadow realm. So, the solution, not the governing rules of the encounter. People have mainly been saying you just need to not use your original shapes (that's what "cleanses" the shadows), but that is incorrect. So from my understanding, you need to do all of the following: 1) To not use your starting shapes 2) Can't use the shape your statue holds 3) Must have gotten the other 2 shapes that don't match your statue from someone(s) else. (Can both be from the same person) 4) Your "key" must match the outside "lock" - the 3D shape the corresponds to your physical statue. 5) ALL inside players must have completed the previous requirements in order to get out. (You all can get out or none of you can) If this is wrong, I would like to know exactly how it works (video would be appreciated). Otherwise, it's a deep dive I'll explore on my own when I have time another day.

That first line, so real. 🤣

I really liked the live demonstration with clips and photoshop open! I wasn't a huge fan of the background music being as loud as it was. Thank you for clarifying!

You know, this is actually fun! I kinda enjoy verity when people know what to do in it (and when I teach blueberries, for some reason), and this challenge sounds just like the right type of thing to do with a bunch of people who know and like this encounter as well

Simplified in a way that made me understand it: Inside: Do first and third phase as normal Second phase, do everything as normal. Once everyone has both symbols that their statue is not holding, dunk symbols into the statue that the outside tells you to dunk in. (The second phase symbol distribution still needs to happen, think of it as the trigger to be able to go through the wall.) Ex. Inside statue callouts are Circle, Triangle, Square. This means the final symbols all inside players should be holding to leave will be: Left: Square and Square. Middle: Circle and Circle. Right: Triangle and Triangle. Typically, this should be put in the text chat as: CTS SSTTCC Get everyone even (if you do that step) Give away your shapes as normal Once everyone has their shapes that their statue is not holding, dunk the symbols in the statue that needs it according to the challenge rules (for this example, Squares in left, Triangles in Middle, Circles in Right) Once that is done, kill both your knights and pick up both symbols. So long as the outside has done their jobs correctly, you should be able to leave the room at this point, challenge complete. As for the outside, I don't really know how to explain dissections. After doing dissections for the challenge, what I can say is that if you don't already have a very solid grasp of dissecting, you should not be doing it for the challenge. You are creating the corresponding 3D shape of the final inside callouts according to the challenge. So for my example, you will be creating Cube, Pyramid and Sphere (SSTTCC)

On a list of shit im not going to do in Destiny 2, this has got to be toward the top.

Instead of adding a phase, why not just have everyone with double of a shape give both their shapes to the same statue? Like, instead of one to each, you just check the callouts to see if you send both your shapes to left, mid, or right and then everyone is done.

The whole actual point of this encounter is to make a 3D shape that doesn’t include the ones that were called out for each statue. You’re essentially creating the *same* key on the outside and inside for the guardian that’s trapped to come out. Call outs starting left to right (or right to left however you prefer) Example - if you start with CTS, dissector will make a call out of SSCCTT *or* TTSSCC. If you happen to be the left statue on the inside you are going to either make a cube or prism *according* to the callout made by the outside team. If your key that you have made matches the same statue on the outside, you can walk-out. This is the actual encounter and its purpose. Incase if anyone hasn’t noticed this is exactly how it works by *default* even if you’re not doing challenge. I noticed this when running this encounter on the first few weeks of its release.

Was a very refreshing way to present the challenge. As someone who has drawn in paint to explain stuff this stuff helps me learn alot faster

I remember posting in a handful of channels and discord stuff if people could just do perfect shapes to make a key and get out but no one was willing to Try it. It is cool to know that that is an option I also wanted to try for the inside room having 1 person get all of the shapes and then just distribute them out as a means of taking the other 2 out of the picture in case they did not know how to do it I think that should also work

Live Datto is nice, feels authentic and fresh, not saying scripting is bad, but I just enjoy you swinging for the fences and it probably also saves time for you too

One way to think about this is: - dissection creates the perfect shapes, *shifting one spot to the LEFT of the read positions for the perfect shapes* - CST - shift left - would be cube / pyramid / sphere - inside does all their normal trades, and then one final single trade each: *send the person to your RIGHT the symbol you've got that isn't theirs* - CST - C on left ends with S / T - sending one room to your right which is mid - should send T instead of S because S is "their own" You could flip inside and outside doing left and right, since as Datto points out, there's two ways to solve it with perfect shapes, this is just the direction that makes sense to me.

personally i like this style of guide and thought it made a lot of sense really quickly, especially with the diagrams

This format for explaining worked really well imo, think it could work well for the complete challenges video!!

Don’t forget this. For special round (prime shape round. Round 2) if the 2D rooms start out doubled up, you MUST split. Before re distributing to the TTSSCC locations. You cant get away with immediately sending to TTSSCC locations as it wont remove the shadows.. The shadows need to be removed or it won’t let you out. We wiped on this once. Hopefully it helps you not make the same mistake 🤟

I feel like I've been flashbanged with words and also had a stroke.

Without watching the video, I agree with the title. I have completed this raid and encounter only a single time and my fireteam did this encounter flawlessly first try. It was explained to me, we started the encounter, and i asked questions for clarity as we went. I was even sent inside 2 of the 3 rotations and it was fine. When we finished, my genuine reaction was "Wow, that really wasn't as bad as people made it seem."

For people that don’t need 14 mins to understand. Encounter needs 3 jailbreaks (inside peeps makes keys and leave 3 times) 1) normal jailbreak - you should know how 2) double up on shape (not yours ie T) leave with CC or SS 3) back to normal Get your adept rolls and next week your title

We are using 340 as callouts for the Symbols and every content creator is using CTS. It is so confusing to watch every time

Pro tip for Dissection, especially on Master- I’m sure that many people take the approach of solving for one statue first, which makes sense, but the All Doubles randomization will make that difficult to do if you’re using the shapes efficiently (one of each before any repeats). Seems stupid or unnecessary but just having a teammate pick up the unwanted shape to keep the spawns moving can be really helpful so that you can use 2 shapes back to back. It’s slightly slower than optimal but mentally speaking it’ll be smoother, given that you’ll have Inside callouts in your ear & master-level enemies to deal with.

So quick question, when you're giving your symbols away, can't you just give your 2 circles to the person that wants the sphere instead of giving 1 to each.

haven’t even stepped foot in this raid

This challenge was not too bad, if it wasn’t for the god forsaken unstops camping your ghosts while fractured, and the cloak difficulty modifier.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="152">2:32</a> Literally added so much more brainrot to this encounter

Im gonna take this challenge as the perfect excuse to have more raid guide music.

Thanks Datto! That's super helpful trying to complete this.

You don't need an extra step. That's making things harder than it needs to be. Normal round - double up and then gift to each Perfect shape round - distribute to each and then make the double where it's needed. Takes out a whole set of transfers in that middle round saving loads of time and confusion. It was so much easier when we stopped doubling up to start on that second round.

My team and I instead of doubling up in second phase, we just send our shapes to whatever 1 each obviously and just waited for the dissect guy to tell us what 3d shapes he's making to deposit what we need inside

Got it done last night and it was a doozy lol, but ended up being simpler than we thought.

God that into was so real. I barely play destiny rn. I’m just stuck on my first descendent addiction

We haven’t doubled up in ages…we just ensure we give away our starters to the ones who need em

Me watching this entire video with zero understanding of the basic encounter

After doupleing up you send your two Ts for example to the guy needing the Ts called out by the outside player... outside player just calls who needs what. No extra step

You are all here for the information on the challenge for Verity. I'm here for the Raid Guide Music. We are not the same.

It's true, I haven't raided in 5+ years yet I like to watch Datto videos. And so here I am.

Wow! My team been doing the challenge version all this time, that’s funny.

Hey…look those dungeons aren’t gonna run themselves

at the main explanation, around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="330">5:30</a> or so and following, wouldn't it be easier and make more sense to just send both shapes to the same person that needs them (change phase 2)? So in that example, instead of the circle person giving a circle to both other players, they just give both circles to the triangle person? Triangle gives both triangles to square, and square gives both squares to circle? Once you explained how the phases needed to end, this instantly clicked and made more sense to me, so I was surprised you didn't mention it. I don't know if this doesn't work for some reason, or just wasn't considered.

I like it when you do live vs scripted, feels natural

Honestly I feel like this was more digestible than most of the guides on the encounter, in general, that I’ve seen

Ive cleared that visual bug by just using an emote. Its always worked so far. The emoye I use is the caramel dancing emote

Tried it out for the first time last night since 2 members of our raid team always opted to skip it previous weeks. It's not bad at all once you've done it right once, and I hope more people lose their fear of this encounter Fortunately, the challenge is only different 1 time so its not bad : D

I need to find a calculator for the outside that is updated to include the challenge mode. That seems way harder than doing inside.

I'll return and watch this again when I need it

Very helpful. More stuff like this please.

brutal intro. i haven't raided in months

My guy, just @ me next time with that intro, goddang

There was no need to attack me in the manner you did from the rip

Normalize number callout for Verity PLEASE. So much easier to callout the number of sides of their shape. 0 3 4 = circle, triangle, square, so that you don’t need to deal with C potentially meaning Cube or Circle, so on and so forth. 00 = sphere…etc

no i literally haven't raided in 3 years, but i still watch these

wow this is so easy lmao, thanks for the clean and concise explanation datto o7

I am someone who doesn't even raid and just likes to watch Datto videos, and I approve of this message.

Datto calling me out in the first 10 seconds like that, I feel so seen

Question: After doubling up (phase 1) can't everybody just give both shapes to the statue on their right? (With rightmost statue looping back to the 1st/left statue) Don't know if I'm missing something but would remove step 3...?

Internal thought before watching 💭 f it I’ll watch even though I haven’t even done the raid yet…… Dattos introduction - welcome

I found this live unscripted version to be pretty helpful

at some point i didnt even does destiny, i just like when datto does

Loved this format

YES the raid guide music finally comeback YESSSSSSSSSSSS

Valid opening statement

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="180">3:00</a> pretty funny that you confused yourself, proving your point

Intro was spot on

bro didn't have to call me out like that in the first 10 seconds of the video...

The intro is on point on how I feel about raiding in the game. Post pantheon, raiding just feels terrible lol

I don’t raid, but I do come here for the Raid Explanation music.

challenge: escape shadow realm using 3/6 3d objects each cycle using a different 3 each cycle

So its Phase one: do it normal Phase 2: do it normal. then double up again, just not with your own shape Phase 3: do it normal Doesnt sound hard at all.

Why that extra step, just replace the phase where you give them 1 shape to one player, and 1 shape to another player, and give 1 at a time to the same player, based on the STC = TT CC SS callout, so if you collected 2 triangles bc youre the triangle statue, just give 1 at a time to the left statue

Datto is talking over my FAVORITE SONG!!

I think I have some issue mentally, I have no idea how to do the normal encounter, I watched around 10 videos and its so confusing 😢

Genuinely i saw the way of doing the challenge and I thought it would be the easiest challenge so far in the raid ( or at least as easy as encounter 3). Apparantly I overestimated peoples ability to actually know how to do the normal way of inside without being told specifically when and where to place their shadow. The fact that the inside is literally just ONE extra shadow placing and it is confusing people is weird to me.

wow i just got called the eff out in the first 2 seconds...

I read this as, Vertically Challenged, and as a short person I felt attacked

Datto raid guide music jump delight. I can confirm that this challenge is not THAT hard once you know. It break my brain a little figuring it out though.

The classic raid music returns ❤

Wouldn't it just be less complicated to just, after doubling up (phase 1), give one person both your shapes during the distribution phase (phase 2)?

LETS GO 2 RAID MUSICS IN 2 MONTHS

My question is, why can't I just double up and then pass both shapes to the right? 1. Everyone ends up with a pure shape that isn't their own. 2. There's enough passes to trigger ghost phase.

RE: giving away shapes, cycle 2 phase 2, is it not possible to just give the two shapes you have to the same person? For example, say the call is CST, dissecting team calls SSTTCC, what’s stopping the square player from just giving both of their squares to the circle player, the circle player giving both of their shapes to the triangle player, and the triangle player giving both of their shapes to the square player? Feels like this accomplishes the same thing without needing that extra phase.

Ooh, this is a neat way to teach this! It reminds me of Khan Academy, which I promise is a compliment 😅

It’s not that I don’t like to raid. It’s that I don’t like to play the soul crushing, mind numbing speed dating roulette game that is finding a team on lfg.

Ah. My opinion on how tough the Verity Challenge is has arrived.

is that an ICEBERG sweater ? My Man!

Liking just because of the music. I too dont raid in D2!

I got called out at the start of the video. Haven't even played the game since Shadowkeep.

@DattoDoesDestiny isnt it easier after doubling your symbol to pass both to the statue on the right of yours you eliminate one change inside.

Imma just wait for the web tools to add a challenge option so it can tell me what to do 😂

This was good, thank you ❤

Preferred this so much more!