It's about time the world had a programming language rated T for Violence.

Can't wait for the soon upcoming job offers requiring years of experience in Verse

I need someone with 10 years of experience in Verse

I guess now I understand why they were forced to put a "violence" warning in the start of the video.

Time stamps 0:00 Intro 7:00 Specifics of the language 26:25 Future plans 27:45 Verse API 39:00 Q & A (more than 30 minutes!)

55:46 "Everybody's code could potentially interact with anybody else's code" Is it just me or does this sound like an absolute nightmare?

Not Touching this until it makes it into Unreal Engine 5 for standalone desktop, with no server dependencies.

Only 8 minutes in and they already fucked it up. First guy: "We want a language that is familiar and similar to C#, Typescript, Java, Kotlin, etc..." Second guy: "So, the language has semantically significant white space like Haskel or Python."

Like everything about unreal engine, this will also have a limited documentation.

Is this meant to fill the gap left by not having a C#-like language inside UE? It feels like it could be the spirtual successor of UnrealScript that was last used in UE3/UDK.

I love the 8 Queens puzzle -sort of thing, with Verse's Minesweeper example. Sometimes defining the goal (or setup) is much more comfortable than thinking about the nitty gritty 'real world' with algorithms, or algorithm-like thinking even. :)

I find the syntax a bit too "clever" and therefore hard to read. With the way this language works it seems like it omits many language features that you can already omit with other languages but shouldn't in order to keep your code readable. For example if you have a complex condition, it makes sense to put that in a bool variable, name it what is does and then put that variable in the if head. This way you can just read the variable's name, instead of having to analyze the whole condition everytime. Same with that minesweeper code. Cool that you can put all of that code in one for loop. But why would you do that? Who would want to read that kind of code?

I'm already seeing performance issues with this. For instance, you made array access a failable expression, which builds bounds-checking as a core assumption in the logic of the program. That means that not only do you incur a couple extra operations every time you want to access an array, each access _is potentially a branch!_ And it's not like you can just turn the feature off as an optimization, because it seems like many features of the language _depend_ on this branching in order to function.

Not a fan of the syntax, but any text format replacement for blueprints is wellcome

@25:50 the failable indexes for array is a bit like list comprehensions in Haskell. interesting .

Love how ESRB rated this stuff as VIOLENCE!

Boy I do love typing redundant : and everywhere

This is great! So much information in the one video. Am going to have to get used to arrays being mutable data structures though. 😳

I'll wait for the performance focused variant language, Inverse.

The vision for the language looks quite exciting, though the syntax seems a bit clunky in some areas. That said I'm a bit doubtful whether they can actually pull this off. The language looks incredibly ambitious from a design perspective. They are making a lot of decisions based on still unproven hypothesis. I would be kind of surprised they were able to realize their vision without having to do a major redesign of the language. This is made even harder by the insanely hard and resource intensive engineering that is needed to actually make this language useful. Just look at the monumental effort Google has to put in to build and maintain V8.

So finally the language that was promised when SkookumScript got absorbed reveals itself! I'm excited to see how this project matures. I was a huge fan of Skookum --- I hope Verse will give me similar vibes :)

Also get other big tech companies including those outside gaming on board and as collaborators. This will make it more successful.

Is this the Epic's objective-c equivalent? Oh boy

Tbh it’s better then I expected

Sounds great, I wanna use it. So, where is documentation?

That is awesome!

i have no real coding experience, i have only ever coded a few lines in a class many moons ago, i found this easy to follow, maybe being in my mid/late 40's im not to old to learn to code😉well done

Also ability to run without a VM though in there can be a VM for some cases.

I don't know why I would want my games connected to a metaverse.

43:55 I'm surprised they didn't double down on objects like in smalltalk.

Most of the UI should ideally be moved into /Verse.org/ so this can be used in non gamming applications without having to use the gamming engine which most likely not open sourced.

Structure, module, classes are types so why make a distinction? You can treat them the same and have a unified syntax. This will make the language more powerful as you can use all these in place of generics.

What about compile times? Looking at Rust or C++ a sophisticated type system seems to be a recipe for slow compile times, which is a bit of a non starter for a scripting language.

great Q&A awesome questions... kudos!

Maybe I will like Verse once its documentation is fully written. Right now, it's not my fav language.

Another area to think about is effect system.

This would be great. Is it also consider making at least subset of the the language a systems programming language. Esoterically a better and safe C/C++, Rust replacement.

Make the whole language syntax macro driven over the theoretical primitive so in case uses don't like the given syntax this can be changed locally in a well scoped manner. Also mix and match different syntax again limited in certain scopes.

Where is SPJ? Don't even see his name in the credits (unless I missed it)

Cool 😎

So is it like Curry ("A Truly Integrated Functional Logic Programming Language") but with a "mainstream" push? It took about 50 years for "functional programmming" to start being considered by "industry", let's see how this fares. Hell, some people consider Prolog to still be "research", which says a lot.

Is yet another specialized programming language needed?

The syntax is actually pretty good after using it for a bit... I like it better without the curly braces. I think it needs better linting in VSCode though... and a way to write CLI programs with it (VM? Interpreter?)

First, so will UEFN eventually be as advanced as UE5 and 6?

I am like 7 months in python and its libraries ... man , i really do not need anything else right now 😁

reminds me of unrealscript

Can we have verse in rider? XD

Thanks for the video, really hoped we could use Rust instead because of the huge ecosystem.

Doesn't seem very C# inspired at least in regards to syntax.

Meanwhile Unity: Has no Jump function in Character Controller

Will this verse language replace C++ in UE ?

Wtf is with the syntax.

Was only half listening in the background, but its neat that it will print all parts of Sommer Ray. Powerful.

The best in the west

Coming from C++/BP to Verse feels like going from a Tesla to a Horse Cart. Things that take 10 seconds in BP, such as attaching one Actor to another, take a lot of time and effort in Verse. In its current state, it's not really a good language for programming gameplay. Those who endorse Verse, are usually newer developers without much experience or knowledge of what it takes to code complex and intricate gameplay systems. But yea, no offense to those who jump on it for the UEFN money. In times where you need to fight for every wishlist on Steam, it's great that we have a metaverse platform now with millions of potential players. So Epic is on the right track overall, and I'm somewhat hopeful for the future. :)

"The language does also support squiggly braces if you don't like syntactically significant indentation" THANK YOU KINDLY At first I thought it was going to be trash from the examples I glanced, but now I like it

What Programming Language is Unreal Engine Written in?

verse + gpt

The syntax just looks ugly to me with things like 'set' and array with squiggly braces, class definitions look confusing. Being inspired by so many languages why not just make it as simple as doing things on other programming languages(the reason why python and javascript became popular). And it runs in a VM like with blueprints, so if you want to write performant game, you still gotta do c++. it would have been better to just do extensions by which devs can write code in languages they are familiar, instead of learning a whole new system that still does not solve c++ problem in UE. As great as everything is world class in UE, I guess not being able to write performant comfortable code will always be an issue

What if Epic releases a trained GPT AI model that can write verse inside UEFN to take care all the :=[?](?){?}: stuff ?

Amazing Tim sweeney

Why create weird new syntax?? Just use JS style of C# or anything anybody uses

❤

He becomes the Architect of the Metaverse -> the Metaverse becomes conscious -> The AI creates a persona for itself based on the looks and speech pattern of the original Architect -> It uses Metaverse to trap humans into a sustained state of immersion -> It renames Metaverse as Matrix and gives itself the purpose of debugging anomalies!

希望verse更加易懂，简洁

I don’t think this will go very far, it started the wrong way already. If there’s a need to design a new language, the syntax needs to be much simpler than the existent alternatives, otherwise, why would you create something that it’s even more complex and awkward than C++ itself, it’s just easier to stick to C++ then, of course C++ isn’t a script, but the syntax could be similar, because that’s the syntax most of the languages already uses, from C#, Java to JavaScript, they all have similarities to C++, I’m not saying they should use an existing language, they could just make it more similar to something people are already familiar. They’re creating a barrier to themselves, look at what Mojo language is doing, they’re not reinventing the wheel, they’re using a well known syntax to leverage the performance they want to achieve, zero-barrier. Verse seems so wrong to me, why you need to create a whole new language, when everything being proposed here could be done completely with just new APIs, not a new language! If the goal was creating a new language so easy that it would sounds like a “Verse” what they came up was a syntax built on top of curse words from an alien civilization. Why would you ask your users to learn something so completely different when there are so many languages out there people are already familiar with, that doesn’t share almost anything in common with Verse, that’s wrong, just wrong…

How do you expect people to spend time learning this new language when you have spent so little time documenting your c++ engine code? That goes for all of your documentation, really. UE is a great engine, but the documentation, across the board, is garbage, especially for code. I can't imagine learning and using a new language with bad documentation. Do better in this regard. You are incredibly fortunate that you have an enormous and die hard community that fills these gaps for you. Do you expect them to do this for your new language too? I hope not.

Yup, that's a programming language.

how many ads? never had more ads on a single video than this @unreall! so much for education...

I feel like this is a bit late, considering that C++ now has coroutines, and can do all those "wait until one/some/all finished"-type commands with only moderate effort (basically, you just shift around coroutines between different Unreal tick functions), while being very efficient. Considering there is also Unreal Mass (if you want performance and some composition-expressivity at the cost of conciseness), and of course Blueprints (if you want ease of use and... not much else), I am not sure for which use case this is not just good for, but significantly better than the alternatives - but who knows, I would like to be proven wrong.

Might this language be created by influencing of MetaVerse?

Based on my experience with Verse in UEFN, it is an incredibly buggy, limited, restrictive and horrible language so far. Especially having to nest tons of if clauses for nothing else but querying optionals, broken generics without mutables, lack of casting and so on.

Any video courses yet on Verse?

51:40 its why you come here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Hmm sounds promising but the syntax can easily become unreadable...

Another lang to learn...

Verse == Smalltalk MMO

Sorry, UE is already complicated enough, I don’t feel like learning a completely new language on top of it😂😂 Maybe in 50 years when I eventually learned most of UE and have free brain capacity again

continue with unreal tournament

Is Tim Sweeney having a delayed midlife crisis? He's already a legend. But apparently he wants to go down in history as the Tim Berners-Lee of the metaverse.

more people will use blueprints no teaching req

For new language there is an incredibly high bar for utility and this just doesn't show that and nebulously claiming no other language is "scalable" enough doesn't cut it. You call it "open" but it can only be used in unreal engine, there is no open spec, let alone a compiler/runtime implementation available. To me this just look like a method to lock developers into the epic ecosystem. You could have added support for one of the many open source languages out there, with incredible performance, support and actual open development that people have been asking you to do for years, but instead you're reinventing the wheel. its also kind of funny how you say its timeless while naming it after a concept that is already fading in terms of mindshare

Let’s go!!

They're calling it Verse because they want it to power the metaverse? Who actually cares about the metaverse? Why would you design a language for games around some fringe concept that most people are not going to care about. It's like building a language around the internet-of-things. People are already designing new languages that are fast and universal, perfectly acceptable for games. You could have used Rust or Odin or Jai, but you chose to just make a new language that has no utility outside your ecosystem under the assumption it will power the "metaverse". If anything, it just relegates the metaverse to be even more fringe than it already is.

I am stuck in wonder if this is a great pivotal moment.

So there will be no c++ in near future guys??..

Hmm

So many colons! I'm getting dizzy just looking at it.

when you develop something please ask your customers ..... why put money on this?........

Almost feels like learning US's flavor of cpp at this point is pointless?

It looks nice

In order to create a timeless language that "can do everything", you will have to establish new math that is not based on set theory. But it is hard to break from cultural indoctrination as almost everything taught in academia is based on set theory. Just by its syntax, it is evident that the proper way of abstraction is not there. You are repeating the same mistakes as every supposed "game changing" language did.

Its ok for game engine to create their own language as keeping uptodate with these scripting language is harder than creating one for yourself but please kindly make the syntax simpler or similar to simple and popular language like Python, C# or JS/TS or make it more simpler not harder like bullshit

Can not see the reason why the syntax looks so weird comparing to other major c likes, other than raising the learning curve, can not see other meaningful points.....

The syntax & style choices are very tragic

First!

Not liking this syntax

So instead of just using C# you went and invented something that makes no sense? I cant wait to see how hard it is for people to learn this, everything is going to be an unreadable mess.

I really find myself wondering as a game developer; how will this change the gaming industry?, are we all just going to be developing tiny parts of a big system now? Will traditional gaming die off? Will world-building become a relic of the past?

Yet another programming language... Good luck competing with C# and Rust.