The Very Best Board Games? RA! (Top 100)

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27:47 - Ranking Time
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@JohnGottschalk
@JohnGottschalk Ай бұрын
"We're doing a top 100 list!" ~4 games later~ "This format is a tyranny!"
@jakebit9467
@jakebit9467 Ай бұрын
I'm looking forward to the massive amount of ritual and circumstance of the Nr. 100 that must've crept in at that point
@Allen-P
@Allen-P Ай бұрын
Tier list time!
@adamthebatmanwest
@adamthebatmanwest Ай бұрын
I cannot wait until this top 100 list is more undecipherable then Toms Root and Railroad Ink tier list
@nthonyholden
@nthonyholden Ай бұрын
only way to truly compare apples and oranges is with a reference pear
@devtesla
@devtesla Ай бұрын
I love that the wild decision to put El Dorado above Agricola is causing ranking issues basically immediately
@tedsterrux
@tedsterrux Ай бұрын
I feel like this is going to present a consistent problem going forward
@Jescribano1
@Jescribano1 Ай бұрын
@@tedsterrux The boys must reaaaally love el Dorado. Don't get me wrong, i like it too, but i would put Ra above it every day of the week 😁
@Ends_Of_Invention
@Ends_Of_Invention Ай бұрын
need a kind of cyclical ranking like the alien language in Arrival
@brandonburrow8872
@brandonburrow8872 Ай бұрын
@@Jescribano1 Absolutely, but there's no world in which I would put El Dorado above Agricola either.
@tedsterrux
@tedsterrux Ай бұрын
@@Jescribano1 I think it's a pretty easy sell that Ra is better than El Dorado but worse than Agricola, especially if we're considering things like innovation, staying power, etc. on a "greatness" spectrum. I'd definitely rank them this way myself and I think that would be the popular consensus overall
@MrTombombodil
@MrTombombodil Ай бұрын
Pip!!! She's back!!
@waferthinninja
@waferthinninja Ай бұрын
I think Pippa's reason for preferring Agricola really strikes at the heart of the matter - that its ultimately futile to try and rank games on a linear scale, as everyone will have a different set of priorities. Even a single person's rating of a single game can vary over time e.g. how recently did you play it or something similar. But carry on, the talking about the rank is the fun bit, not the rank itself,
@madman19931612
@madman19931612 Ай бұрын
Not just how long ago you played something, but also just your mood for instance I love twilight imperium, but I am NOT starting a game of that at thursday night after a long day of work
@littlemonztergaming8665
@littlemonztergaming8665 Ай бұрын
The best way I've found is tier lists. You have to come at building the list with an explicit purpose and technique. I tend to think, how good it is for a general audience. Can I put this game/movie/anime down and have a good time with a lot of different people? The more niche something is, the lower the tier. But if it's really good for it's niche, it'll be at the top of that tier. That way if you can only get one thing and you want a crowd pleaser, S is the Safe option. Although, if you listen to the commentary, you might pick up on a lower-tier game and it'll fit your niche.
@Duiker36
@Duiker36 Ай бұрын
Stack ranking is always a terrible idea if you actually have to stand behind the ranking in any meaningful sense, yeah. I've been doing a stack ranking of movies I've watched in the past year and it's insane where some stuff ends up because you're really comparing apples to oranges.
@thekev506
@thekev506 Ай бұрын
Pip is always such a great addition to the team
@brettjenkins1645
@brettjenkins1645 Ай бұрын
Seriously! She brought this video to life!
@scottbollinger3980
@scottbollinger3980 Ай бұрын
Warrrrrrrbeast
@andrewmartin3671
@andrewmartin3671 Ай бұрын
Subtitles say she's "Philip of War" and I think I'm going to go along with that.
@shokwave00
@shokwave00 Ай бұрын
Pip is a welcome addition. Loved hearing her take on this along with Matt and Tom.
@NikolajLepka
@NikolajLepka Ай бұрын
She's hardly an addition, she's been on the podcast basically since it started :P
@MrBernaar
@MrBernaar Ай бұрын
I agree! She is a great addition to the show, funny with really good remarks and opinions on the games discussed. I also love her contribution in the podcast and I hope to see her more often in videos!
@clarkewithe
@clarkewithe Ай бұрын
"How much of the game is components?" Technically all of it
@MrTombombodil
@MrTombombodil Ай бұрын
Is a rulebook a component? 🤔
@SocksAndPuppets
@SocksAndPuppets Ай бұрын
@@MrTombombodil In the general sense, I'd say yes, but some games incorporate the rulebooks themselves directly into the play
@JohnGottschalk
@JohnGottschalk Ай бұрын
@@SocksAndPuppets nahh, every game has material aspects (components) and immaterial aspects (rules). Although chess isn't usually delivered with a rulebook it definitely has a set of rules that makes it chess and not checkers. The material aspect of the game can imply certain things (a knight looks different from a pawn or a rook so probably that has some purpose), but unless the material aspect forces you to use it some way, it doesn't matter if the rules are printed on the piece, they're still immaterial and have to be enforced by the players. In this way you cannot play chess with a checkers set (the checkers do not have enough material differentiation to reasonably chess with them), but there's nothing materially stopping you from playing checkers with chess pieces (although kinging pieces is difficult).
@que-tangclan5856
@que-tangclan5856 Ай бұрын
LMFAO - 'This is just a therapy session'
@qw3rty829
@qw3rty829 Ай бұрын
The two biggest board gaming channels making video on Ra the same week??🤔
@alastairross8113
@alastairross8113 Ай бұрын
And NRB's play through a week ago too!
@Wuschelbueb
@Wuschelbueb Ай бұрын
pure coincidence 😉
@008TheDen
@008TheDen Ай бұрын
Heliopolis is so back!
@SpoonyBard88
@SpoonyBard88 Ай бұрын
ALIENS
@l_ROAR_l
@l_ROAR_l Ай бұрын
Illegal board game discussion trusts must be busted!
@cterrell4861
@cterrell4861 Ай бұрын
I fell in love with this game in the early 2000s and was thrilled to win the Ra WBC Tournament in 2006. Eighteen long years later, now with the upgraded acrylic tiles available from BGG (highly recommended!), Ra still hits our local gaming table regularly. It’s simple, always different, always fun, and is a perfect game for us to wrap up an evening of gaming after we’ve played whatever “feature game” was chosen (often one of the versions of the Duniverse Imperium series). Ra is an enduring classic, I’ll wager I’ve played this game about 200 times.
@diggpen1249
@diggpen1249 Ай бұрын
Please invite Pip on for every review beyond this. She's hilarious!
@kevinm2832
@kevinm2832 Ай бұрын
Yeah she’s great. She consistently cracks Tom up on the pod as well.
@dancondonjones
@dancondonjones Ай бұрын
NO! She’s driving me away from the podcast
@aidancole9965
@aidancole9965 Ай бұрын
I love this way of doing a top 100! playing the games again and really comparing them to the others is so much more in-depth. plus it gives a really good overview for people who have never played the game. this is the number 1 top 100 games list !!!
@jacqland
@jacqland Ай бұрын
Matt's deadpan "no, it's actual heaven" sent me rolling.
@komodo_
@komodo_ Ай бұрын
What a great episode. Loved youR Amazing solution at the end there.
@snogurt
@snogurt Ай бұрын
Ok fine! You’ve convinced me I need to break open the copy of ra I’ve had sitting around for a couple years! Also love to see Tom rockin the Finchy T!!
@nazokashii
@nazokashii Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing :D very fun :) so nice to meet Pip!
@TuromoilByrd
@TuromoilByrd Ай бұрын
What a funny coincidence where SUSD and NPI decided to cover Ra around the same time xD
@cube-drone
@cube-drone Ай бұрын
I learned a little bit about voting theory, and it helped me understand WHY a strictly ranked list is just so, so much harder to generate than a tier list
@scottmcmillen3015
@scottmcmillen3015 Ай бұрын
This is hilarious! 😅 Great video. Looking forward to more of the top 100.
@MoeandBobbyJoe
@MoeandBobbyJoe Ай бұрын
I’m so happy to see more of Pip!!
@adamwoods6373
@adamwoods6373 Ай бұрын
Enjoy the chaos of discussing the top 100. Very excited to see more entries in the series
@MonEyRuLess
@MonEyRuLess Ай бұрын
34:42 Pip immediately went for Galaxy ****er! Poor guy can't catch a break.
@Gwanosh
@Gwanosh Ай бұрын
Wow, RA is getting a lot of love! It's always been on my list but recently it's been featured by you guys, No Pun Included and No Rolls Barred - I think it might be a sign :D Woe is me, another great game I won't be able to stop myself adding to my collection now :D
@88Boylemaker
@88Boylemaker Ай бұрын
I love this video series Tom, well done! Also nice to see pip
@sielaff2112
@sielaff2112 Ай бұрын
how could you guys forget about Amun-Re, my other favorite Egyptian-based auction game
@erichammett2893
@erichammett2893 Ай бұрын
Love the way you edit these
@thala727
@thala727 Ай бұрын
Love the series! Keep 'em coming! :)
@triviadave
@triviadave Ай бұрын
This is great, loving the carnage when it comes to try and sort of the relative positions. I think I'd like the ranking to change to a rock, paper, scissors format; just to make it harder to manage 😝
@blueheronmorning
@blueheronmorning Ай бұрын
Yesssssss, Pip! ♥
@eopatcjo
@eopatcjo Ай бұрын
SU&SD You are scrumptious. Keep it up
@JonTripp115
@JonTripp115 Ай бұрын
I'm always happy whenever Pip appears on a video, podcast, or live panel. Also, Ra is good.
@janzdunkiewicz2193
@janzdunkiewicz2193 Ай бұрын
I love these series!
@sagepassmore1345
@sagepassmore1345 Ай бұрын
Based on the music in the intro I was so certain this was yet another "Hey Norm" anti-vaping ad playing before the real video. Maybe that's just a Minneapolis thing.
@nebricback1430
@nebricback1430 Ай бұрын
Love this series
@vee.t.a
@vee.t.a Ай бұрын
'it's in el dorado' made me laugh more than it had any right to
@gregh2327
@gregh2327 Ай бұрын
Yay! A new episode of No Pun Included!! Didn't they do Ra yesterday?
@plektosgaming
@plektosgaming Ай бұрын
My friends call this "Press your luck, the board game" as invariably one person is all that's left and they now have to decide when to quit before they get a wrecked. :)
@coolbeanz22
@coolbeanz22 Ай бұрын
24:56 -- Pretty sure he's talking about Furnace? Matt is the one who covered it and it has an auction mechanic but it's not a pure single offer auction like they have here in Ra. The winner of the auction gets the tile/building but the losers all get compensatory resources that could potentially be worth more in some circumstances.
@blundermoth4720
@blundermoth4720 Ай бұрын
Note for American audiences: "Blind Date" was a popular... do you know what? Don't worry about it
@notgeoff799
@notgeoff799 Ай бұрын
They had an American version starting in the late 90s, and another more recently. I think it's pretty universal at this point.
@NestorMandela
@NestorMandela Ай бұрын
So far 3/4 in my collection. And I'd too have problems deciding between Ra and Quest for El Dorado.
@bearhustler
@bearhustler Ай бұрын
I seem to remember Matt liked Cyclades too which is an auction game with knobs on.
@LSCMrSandman
@LSCMrSandman Ай бұрын
Michael! (It‘s a reference to Toms shirt, its from RKG, lovely blokes)
@unrealed
@unrealed Ай бұрын
25:09 - Matt: "Is there anothere Egyptian auction-based game [...]?" Tom: "I think this one might have the slot for Egyptian auction-based game!" Ohhhh, silly Tom.... Ra might not even be the best Egyptian auction-based game FROM REINER KNIZIA! I'd like to ask you to check out.... Amun-Re! and it's fantastic, recent 20th anniversary edition of the game! @ShutUp&SitDown
@GlassofJ
@GlassofJ Ай бұрын
They’ve actually reviewed it this past year! Seems really good.
@JohnPeterBrekke
@JohnPeterBrekke Ай бұрын
... and in their review of Amun-Re, they specifically mentioned that they prefer Ra, although they thought Amun-Re was really good as well.
@SisyphusX
@SisyphusX Ай бұрын
It’s official - Quinns hates Knizia.
@JohnGottschalk
@JohnGottschalk Ай бұрын
.
@heinokunzelmann8967
@heinokunzelmann8967 Ай бұрын
Back to his roots
@imbw267
@imbw267 Ай бұрын
Quinns doesn't vibe with hard maths, and Knizia is nothing but hard maths.
@bearhustler
@bearhustler Ай бұрын
@@imbw267 I hate Maths but love Dr K ! Quinns loved Ra in his review.
@tommyhowsthepeeping
@tommyhowsthepeeping Ай бұрын
i was at the function and quinns actually threw his drink in reiner knizia's and stormed out, they hate each other
@Jescribano1
@Jescribano1 Ай бұрын
Pip is cool. We like Pip. Can we have more Pip?
@SirValoso
@SirValoso Ай бұрын
Damn only 96 videos left... It's almost over already :(
@jedfromyourlocallibrary
@jedfromyourlocallibrary Ай бұрын
What a twist ending 😂
@amunt3r
@amunt3r Ай бұрын
And No Pun Included just did "One of my Favourite Games is Ra"!
@66morningview
@66morningview Ай бұрын
This was chaotic!
@Odonianos
@Odonianos Ай бұрын
RA RA RA your boat, gently down the streaaaam
@andrewtorrens7790
@andrewtorrens7790 Ай бұрын
I envision the board turnin into a matrix, then eventually an art installation... X axis -> accessibility Y axis -> fun Z axis -> longevity Then expanding into an n dimensional space where they have to break the laws of physics... Perhaps consulting with Bergholt Stuttley Johnson...
@marty1765
@marty1765 Ай бұрын
Everyone's board game group needs a Pip ❤
@Tolinar
@Tolinar Ай бұрын
Another RA review in 24 hours?!?! I sense a popularity mini-surge
@benlauson555
@benlauson555 Ай бұрын
Pip needs to be a regular. Her input is fantastic
@BGBigMax
@BGBigMax Ай бұрын
I love that Pip is not an official member of Shut Up and Sit Down, and has been on the site for longer than either of these two youths
@eighty6d233
@eighty6d233 Ай бұрын
This will be quite the Frankenstein after 100 episodes
@ermordung
@ermordung Ай бұрын
What a twist!
@jiecut
@jiecut 26 күн бұрын
I love For Sale as another auction game.
@WatchersPod
@WatchersPod Ай бұрын
Weirdly I just sold my copy of RA. It was a fine game. But for me it was worse than both Modern Art and The estates, two other bidding game. I don’t know I just didn’t feel the excitement playing this game. It is like a puzzle of which tiles would help me the most, but the puzzle isn’t that fun and I guess the push your luck part didn’t do enough for me to help push it further.
@cjc2010
@cjc2010 Ай бұрын
Love me some Pip!
@vanghard
@vanghard Ай бұрын
NPI and SU&SD doing a video about the same game ,in a very short span, and it's a classicalib both of your opinions... I understand that you know each other, but if you don't talk or play about this together recently, You may try to test if there is not a psychic connection between you and them... Thanks for the good work... All of you
@NexusBaum
@NexusBaum Ай бұрын
"the big Kniz" xD
@twistedblood0000
@twistedblood0000 Ай бұрын
I haven't played a lot of auction games (or this one), but "auction game with a bit of press your luck" reminds me of watching "Lords of Vegas". Would that apply to the 100 that Matt was asking about?
@VorpalSlade
@VorpalSlade Ай бұрын
21:44 I had exactly the same delayed reaction as Tom, if that joke meant what I thought it meant :')
@JCPRuckus
@JCPRuckus Ай бұрын
13:13 - Tom complains that a game about speculatively collecting art actually functions like speculating in a collectibles market.
@Mattzere
@Mattzere Ай бұрын
Pip is a delight
@ioannispaxinos5171
@ioannispaxinos5171 Ай бұрын
As someone who's been playing the Alea version of Ra for the past couple decades, I can assure you the game is just as fun with much humbler components. Of course it's always nice to have beautiful, luxurious components, but they're nowhere near 50% responsible for the game being so amazing.
@patroz83
@patroz83 Ай бұрын
I love your Monty python vibes guys. Sigan así!
@darkmelancholy
@darkmelancholy Ай бұрын
PIP!!! Yess
@CGalMe
@CGalMe Ай бұрын
How do you and no pun included sync on games so often?
@jr637-1
@jr637-1 Ай бұрын
Wait does the sun boat not move if you invoke Ra?? Have I been playing it wrong this entire time?!
@dexdouglas
@dexdouglas Ай бұрын
It does not. Boat only moves if you pull a Ra tile. Sorry!
@jr637-1
@jr637-1 Ай бұрын
@@dexdouglas gosh dang it, that is the third major rule to this game that I have gotten wrong. Might explain why my first experience with this game was so lackluster.
@fungiplays2289
@fungiplays2289 Ай бұрын
Yay Pip!!!!!!
@gwenread7115
@gwenread7115 Ай бұрын
YES PIP IS HERE!
@frankharr9466
@frankharr9466 Ай бұрын
Well, it's good to see this progressing. PIP!
@redav99
@redav99 Ай бұрын
Solution: do a tier list!
@Melancthon7332
@Melancthon7332 Ай бұрын
MORE PIP PLEASE AND THANK YOU
@georobGWJ
@georobGWJ Ай бұрын
A wild Pip appears, 😊
@Merlandese
@Merlandese Ай бұрын
Pip content always welcome
@JetBlackRage
@JetBlackRage Ай бұрын
WOO PIP IS BACK!
@robscarpelli
@robscarpelli Ай бұрын
How long will the videos be when there is a debate over the 90 games on the board, and how small will the font be?
@marcbennett9232
@marcbennett9232 Ай бұрын
I havent played RA, but looks good. for me, Stockpile is an auction game that is 100% in my top 100
@drmntpibb
@drmntpibb Ай бұрын
lmao "how much do ya think the pyramids would go for at li' an option?"
@nebricback1430
@nebricback1430 Ай бұрын
Love it
@Fatcat1010
@Fatcat1010 Ай бұрын
I always felt while it’s an auction game the game feels and plays more like a push your luck game.
@wilsonw13
@wilsonw13 Ай бұрын
I'm not so much a fan of auction games either, but "Ra" would be somewhere on the top of my favorite games if I made a lit. Way above the ones covered so far (Galaxy Truckers would not be there). The only other auction game, where auctioning is the primary thing in the game would be "For Sale" for me. But I do like "Ra" better.
@davetalbert8387
@davetalbert8387 Ай бұрын
To Tom's comments on Modern Art, I feel like this doesn't happen with Modern Art: the Card Game, because it's the other way around -- you have all the paintings in your hand and you're bidding on, uh, the money?
@JCPRuckus
@JCPRuckus Ай бұрын
I feel like Tom is just complaining about the game being too good of a simulation of a collectables market. Half of the people are trying to make money, but the other half of the people are just trying to buy things they actually like, and that's what makes makes the those markets so speculative.
@Erekai
@Erekai Ай бұрын
I would probably put Agricola as my #3 favorite board/tabletop game of all time, so to see these other games be put above it, just hurts my soul! :( Or maybe it means I really need to play these games... I have not yet played neither El Dorado nor Ra, but I want to
@vahidmustafazade4783
@vahidmustafazade4783 Ай бұрын
Make it like X and Y graph. Along X is games more complex/geek, along Y is more fun.
@CarolScafuri
@CarolScafuri 29 күн бұрын
very good
@brendathorpe6179
@brendathorpe6179 Ай бұрын
"Is there a better Egyptian themed Auction game?" actually yes and it's also a Reiner Knizia game that recently got a deluxe crowdfunding glow-up. AKA Amun-Re. I do absolutely love RA and it deserves to have a place as a classic, but I've always liked Amun-Re just a touch better...
@Serelenntidude
@Serelenntidude Ай бұрын
So much major Ra content (two videos) in a week‽ Must be a conspiracy.
@ceetee2001
@ceetee2001 Ай бұрын
I was waiting for the obvious ”Today we are playing Ra… Horrraaah!” but nope…
@Ryunigia
@Ryunigia Ай бұрын
oh nice full play vods now :o oh wait nvm xD
@Danjor225
@Danjor225 Ай бұрын
Couple bits here that make me think I’m playing the game wrong. At 16:15 Tom draws the RA tile and then proceeds to draw another tile out the bag and then decide whether he wants the stack. I thought you were supposed to start an auction immediately not draw another one after the RA tile? Then at 16:52 Tom draws the RA tile again moving the boat onto the final space of the track. I also assumed that immediately ends the epic and you cannot bid for that last set of tiles that have been drawn? Obviously it’s a lighter hearted video not a rules explanation but if I’ve been playing these rules wrong I’d love to know.
@MJ12hu
@MJ12hu Ай бұрын
16:15 - only Tom has sun disks at this point, only he could've bid, and chose not to - then advanced the boat, and continued pulling tiles, so it's legal 16:52 - the final space is on the hourglass icon - at this point, the round(epoch) continues, until one more RA tile is drawn
@JCPRuckus
@JCPRuckus Ай бұрын
Based on NRB's recent play I believe that you're supposed to discard the tiles if no one bids. I believe that they weren't doing that. I also believe that you're correct about the lack of a final bid... My guess is that these are house rules because tossing tiles feels wasteful.
@lschuab
@lschuab Ай бұрын
In the first case: Technically an auction was started, but Tom is the only player that still has an token to bid with, therefore him deciding to pass ends the auction. When an auction is begun by a Ra tile, a bid does not have to be made, and if no bids are made, the tiles remain on the board. Second case: I don't think that he did move into the final space there, but the second to last one. Later on in the video you can see them play this rule correctly: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n9Oqm9ZmvN-5e4U.htmlsi=C1ZyAbxxtDvPC3S7&t=1379
@lschuab
@lschuab Ай бұрын
@@JCPRuckus NRB played that rule incorrectly. Tiles are only cleared at the end of a no-bid auction if that auction was triggered by a full board
@dexdouglas
@dexdouglas Ай бұрын
@JCPRuckus if the entire path is full, then an auction begins, and if nobody bids, then all the tiles are wiped from the game. If it’s just a normal auction where a Ra tile gets pulled and nobody bids, the tiles all stay where they are.
@somerandomperson8282
@somerandomperson8282 Ай бұрын
SUSD please review Company Of Heroes 2nd Edition in September after its released in August! It is without a doubt one of the finest tactical wargames on the planet. :)
@Bloodstoner
@Bloodstoner Ай бұрын
Personally, I think people really believe they'd like to "play Ra more often" if they've just had a two or three fun games of it, but it wears thin pretty quick. Also, I would like The Estates more than it I think if it were a little more streamlined and not so punishing. It's a game you can play for an hour and have your score be like Negative Fifty and some people can deal with that sure, however auction games tend to be lighter, more approachable fare but then you bust it out with family and people feel pretty letdown at the end when you're like "yeah, so have negative fifty points...sorry!". Agricola is being done dirty, here.I could play Agricola once a week for the rest of my life. I'd be bored with RA after a month.
@brandonburrow8872
@brandonburrow8872 Ай бұрын
I love RA but it really depends on the group you're playing with. The best games are ones where everyone knows what they're doing and the bidding is really competitive and there's a lot more tough decisions. Then you have bigger highs and lows due to anxious choices and gambles that pay off or blow up in your face. Do I bluff an auction now and hope someone bids and have to buy if nobody takes the bait? Is it worth it for me? etc., Lighthearted play with new players or folks who aren't taking it as seriously is ok, it's fun in a different way but it's not as interesting in the long term. And yeah you're right, Agricola is really getting treated poorly.
@Bloodstoner
@Bloodstoner Ай бұрын
@@brandonburrow8872 100%. I've had some great games of RA where everyone is like "Let's run it back right now!" and then I've had games where the tacit agreement was "Let's not play this again for a long long time". Whereas with Agricola, even if I have a bad game of it, I'm always interested to give it another go and try a new approach.
@Serelenntidude
@Serelenntidude Ай бұрын
It's So hard to see another creator sell out to Big Magnet.
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