The Very Black History Of Punk Music| AJ+

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6 жыл бұрын

Stories about punk music tend to picture thin-framed white guys and girls with shaved heads, part of an angry, energetic scene born out of the working class angst of young white England in the 1970s. But the actual history of punk - as a type of music and movement - is more complicated than that.
Black punks have been an integral and pioneering part of punk history - and they're keeping the movement alive and growing today. Host Sana Saeed explores that history and talks to proto-punk band Death, musician and journalist Greg Tate, the band The 1865 and festival organizer Shawna Shawnté.
Learn more here:
New York Times. “This Band Was Punk Before Punk Was Punk.”www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/arts/music/15rubi.html
Vice. “The Bands Taking British Punk Back to Its Multicultural Roots.” noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/padjev/decolonise-fest-uk-punk-nekra-sacred-paws-fight-rosa
GQ. “Nazi Punks F**k Off: How Black Flag, Bad Brains and More Took Back Their Scene from White Supremacists.” www.gq.com/story/punks-and-nazis-oral-history
Relevant links:
A Band Called Death: drafthousefilms.com/film/a-band-called-death
The Universe Is Lit: www.theuniverseislit.com/
Bay Area Girls Rock Camp: www.bayareagirlsrockcamp.org/
The 1865: the1865band
Presented by: Sana Saeed
Edited by: Brian Joseph and Michael Zipkin
Animations by: Chia Liu
Produced by: Sana Saeed and Kathryn Wheeler
Executive Producer: Sarah Nasr
Music tracks courtesy APM, KZfaq and The 1865.
Footage and images courtesy of Getty Images, The Universe is Lit, Keep on Knocking, LLC, Ed Marshall Photography NYC, Evan Carter and Paul Rosenfield.

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@hf3262
@hf3262 4 жыл бұрын
From a Black Brazilian, Latin American to the world 🇧🇷 Punk is an attitude, punk is the union of men and women against all rotten systems in the world. Punk is the union of all races. Punk is rock and roll.
@NiteDriv3r
@NiteDriv3r 3 жыл бұрын
Punk Iz Whit Musizk
@NiteDriv3r
@NiteDriv3r 3 жыл бұрын
Nu
@hf3262
@hf3262 3 жыл бұрын
@@NiteDriv3r Here's brazilian black my friend.
@NiteDriv3r
@NiteDriv3r 3 жыл бұрын
@@hf3262 Better believe punk is whit muszick boi
@carolinacosta7825
@carolinacosta7825 3 жыл бұрын
@@NiteDriv3r falou pouco mas falou merda, punk é para todos. Não música de gente branca . Responder em pt mm
@threadthathasnoend1212
@threadthathasnoend1212 6 жыл бұрын
Punk never cared about race or gender.
@grandsome1
@grandsome1 6 жыл бұрын
Say that to the Punk inspired skin heads.
@TheAbstruseOne
@TheAbstruseOne 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps. But it took a LOT of bruises and broken bones for that to be the case today. I've still got a finger that doesn't bend right from my time with the ARA.
@TheAbstruseOne
@TheAbstruseOne 6 жыл бұрын
As true as that may be, that's not what people think of when you say "skinhead". They picture Neo-Nazis, not TradSkins or SHARPs. Because history.
@evad520
@evad520 6 жыл бұрын
Real skinheads listen to Reggae/ska/punk and are both black and white. Thanks for playing though.
@oolong2
@oolong2 6 жыл бұрын
If you're a white guy sure, you get that privilege. But if you're a black kid in the 80's and 90's and you have people looking at you weird or think you're in the wrong place when you show up to a punk bar or mosh pit. Or when all of the people you meet assumes you're into hip-hop and never punk or heavy metal, then it certainly feels that punk cares about race.
@Hairspraygoblin
@Hairspraygoblin 3 жыл бұрын
Death is such an underrated gem of a band. Shame they didn't mention screaming Jay Hawkins at all; that guy was proto psychobilly, shockrock, punk and goth all rollen into 1 sick act
@PsychedelicSkull
@PsychedelicSkull 3 жыл бұрын
exactly, I find it very weird when these "documentaries" almost never mention Screamin' Jay Hawkins or other big names.
@kevinw8276
@kevinw8276 3 жыл бұрын
@@PsychedelicSkull I had seen a video about all the influences that led to goth music and he was the first artist they mentioned
@kevinw8276
@kevinw8276 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/sun/PLooaZ33lSalcWG8J6JuqPWWJVraFNHt9X
@PsychedelicSkull
@PsychedelicSkull 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinw8276 Thanks for the suggestion. A bit of a long video, but I'll try to watch it xD
@NiteDriv3r
@NiteDriv3r 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aMCUoqmekp6noqc.html
@williamolsen20
@williamolsen20 6 жыл бұрын
I found punk when I was 10, I am 47 now, and I still consider myself a punk. My musical interests have grown and expanded, but the punk ethos is still in me. I do think punk is just a term that means different things to people, to me it is about pure expression, regardless of technical skill. It is an outlet for aggression, passion, love, and everything that describes the human condition. I do think to many people unfortunately it has been reduced to a fashion, and to some a phase they went through. I try to keep these things alive in my spirit whether I am playing loud electric guitars, soft acoustic, or making noise with a synthesizer. You may not agree, but I really don't care.
@dyr234
@dyr234 6 жыл бұрын
express my feelings towards punk rock through skateboarding and playing guitar. black flag,the saints,the damned all influential bands on me
@CarynDPrescott
@CarynDPrescott 5 жыл бұрын
Hello kindred spirit 😊
@SpaceGhostFan
@SpaceGhostFan 5 жыл бұрын
William Olsen You definitely got the soul of a punk fan, man. Props to you for being real about it.
@yasuke9317
@yasuke9317 3 жыл бұрын
I'll be 50 next month and My heart is still black with spikes in it.🤘🏾😛🤘🏾
@theevildrummingsithlord1492
@theevildrummingsithlord1492 3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Well, in my case, I found punk when I was 14. I'm 18 now, and I'm grateful to it for guiding me so far through my life.
@boneheded2819
@boneheded2819 6 жыл бұрын
I am SO HAPPY that Death is getting some recognition. Such a under rated band.
@existential_raccoonmusic4119
@existential_raccoonmusic4119 3 жыл бұрын
They’re underrated because there’s also a death metal band named death, they’re also good but I personally prefer death (the punk band)
@LigaFantasma
@LigaFantasma 3 жыл бұрын
It's impossible to under rate Death.
@TheK.R.A
@TheK.R.A 2 жыл бұрын
🤘🏾
@TheK.R.A
@TheK.R.A 2 жыл бұрын
@@existential_raccoonmusic4119 🤘🏾
@ericgee7381
@ericgee7381 2 жыл бұрын
Black Flag doesn't have shit on Minor Threat and Bad Brains. They're popular because their singer is a jackass and they had a cool symbol. I hate that they're thrown in with BD and MT.
@chrisgetchell6337
@chrisgetchell6337 5 жыл бұрын
These people in the comments acting like punk is a white genre is hypocritical and cringe
@SM-4359
@SM-4359 3 жыл бұрын
punk was always white
@chrisgetchell6337
@chrisgetchell6337 3 жыл бұрын
@@SM-4359 and you'll always be a dumbass
@primeparadox9796
@primeparadox9796 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The fact that people can’t reconcile the African American contribution to punk and rock and roll is the perfect example for cultural erasure of African Americans, and whites claiming it as their own.
@adrianshephard378
@adrianshephard378 3 жыл бұрын
@@primeparadox9796 But it's not true, punk has generally been white. It's you guys who need to virtue signal and pretend it was super black or something. Why don't you talk abut the very black history of blues or mowtown? you don't see us making videos like,"the very white history of hip hop."
@sooyoungs
@sooyoungs 3 жыл бұрын
shanise miguel punk literally came from black people um...
@evedurand9974
@evedurand9974 4 жыл бұрын
Punk always fought against discrimination, that was the whole premise of it!
@mopes2713
@mopes2713 3 жыл бұрын
No punk rock was about stopping fascists and eating the rich.
@ndogg20
@ndogg20 3 жыл бұрын
@@mopes2713 ,stopping fascists etc. was just an excuse for self righteous zealots to yell and scream how important and all knowing they were while accomplishing nothing. Had nothing to do with punk.
@mopes2713
@mopes2713 3 жыл бұрын
@@ndogg20 Poor people do not have the Power to make fundamental systemic change. All they can do is yell and scream a write songs about how messed up society is.
@comedianfreak
@comedianfreak 3 жыл бұрын
@Eve Durand EXACTLY!
@nanchanger
@nanchanger 3 жыл бұрын
you eat people?
@barbarianblood2316
@barbarianblood2316 3 жыл бұрын
Bad Brains and Death were groundbreaking and it wasn’t simply because of their color. It was the music.
@THCMusicBlog
@THCMusicBlog Жыл бұрын
YES
@JCOdrjones
@JCOdrjones 11 ай бұрын
But their color is important to their history
@omalone1169
@omalone1169 9 ай бұрын
​@@JCOdrjonesGreg Tate editor of everything but the burden
@JetWindTV
@JetWindTV 9 ай бұрын
@@JCOdrjonesIs it or is it more because they were African Americans? You can be a person of color in another country and not have the African American experience. Also, worth-noting Bad Brains and Death have lots of white influences too. I am sure that wasn't how they looked at those bands though. They just thought they were making good shit and used them to find their sound. Music connects people. The moment we start making white music and black music categories again is the moment we lose something special. These were very talented musicians that were black and not very talented black musicians. The wording makes all the difference. It is very discrediting to these talented artists. It is like saying somebody is pretty for a black girl instead of just treating her like a person and telling her she's pretty. You can acknowledge it. Just don't forget that is a person.
@JCOdrjones
@JCOdrjones 9 ай бұрын
@@JetWindTV I feel like you misread what I said and projected a lot here :v
@javircarrillo9526
@javircarrillo9526 6 жыл бұрын
Latinos that we’re in or still in punk bands: Suicidal Tendencies, Adolescents, D.I., Flipper, Descendants, The Vandals, The Plugz, The Zeros, Misfits, Dr, Know, Black Flag, Circle One, Bad Religion, No FX, Dead Kennedy’s after Jello Biafra, Wasted Youth, Legal Weapon, CH.3, that is just to name a few or I would be hear all day. Shit even speed metal bad asses Tom Araya and Dave Lombardo from Slayer. Someone should do a Latino punk documentary.
@monochromaticaddict311
@monochromaticaddict311 6 жыл бұрын
Also Alan Vega
@manuam98
@manuam98 6 жыл бұрын
Starting with peruvian pioneers Los Saicos
@JonasDaniel95
@JonasDaniel95 6 жыл бұрын
Who is Latino in Misfits? I've never noticed that
@jp19034
@jp19034 6 жыл бұрын
manny martinez
@javircarrillo9526
@javircarrillo9526 6 жыл бұрын
To Jonas Jergensen: original drummer from the Misfits was Manny Martinez, later Robo who is Colombian played with them, he also played with Black Flag. Then you have Dez Cadena who also played with Black Flag, and now you have Dave Lombardo who is cuban.
@0dis0bedience
@0dis0bedience 6 жыл бұрын
It feels nice to see videos like this. It just reminds me, im not alone out here especially being the only black punk guy throughout high school.
@ferdinandndo8097
@ferdinandndo8097 6 жыл бұрын
Joshua Young Definetly you're not alone, but this video is bad, and missinformed...
@CarynDPrescott
@CarynDPrescott 3 жыл бұрын
@@ferdinandndo8097 What did they get wrong?
@daisymagnus306
@daisymagnus306 2 жыл бұрын
@@CarynDPrescott Because they point out the lack of diversity in Punk and they hate that (for some reason)
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 Жыл бұрын
@@daisymagnus306 No it has more to do with it being inaccurate and snarky. The punk scene looks like they have a lack of diversity if you watch Greeb Day videos because they are more of a pop band then a punk band and at the time pop was all about suburban white faces. If you were actually involved in the actual DIY punk and metal scenes then you already know how diverse it is. Especially if you live in a large city. This lady is clearly not part of the scene and is really talking about the "Warp Tour" punk scene which isn't really considered punk by most punks. Being a nazi at a hardcore punk show could possibly get you killed. And that's a fact. Punks have a hard time taking criticism from outsiders just like hip hop or country or any other genre of music that is heavily tied to a culture/subculture. And the reason for that is outsiders often get it wrong. Especially mainstream journalists who have a vested interest in using clickbait and giving misleading information. It's unfair to say it's because we don't like a lack of diversity being pointed out. I think for most of us, we have a problem with being lumped in with mainstream "punk" because it doesn't reflect the real scene at allwhich is VERY diverse and inclusive. Green Day is for jocks, not punks. The real litmus test for punk is if it is on a major label then it is probably not really punk. Shout out to all my black and brown brothers in the scene. It would not be the same without you. And shout out to all punks/metal punks/crusties who hate fascists and also mainstream media. Fight the power and up the punx.
@Gearsturfs
@Gearsturfs Жыл бұрын
I bet you hate the white hip hop heads tho
@sacrebaikal7303
@sacrebaikal7303 5 жыл бұрын
I've always disliked that "punk" and so many other genres I enjoy are considered "white people music" by many people.
@WilMars-rr1ny
@WilMars-rr1ny 4 жыл бұрын
Like what?
@ignarly3583
@ignarly3583 4 жыл бұрын
Wil Mars grunge rock, I always get called out for listening to it as a black person
@saywhatagain6176
@saywhatagain6176 3 жыл бұрын
i dislike that hip hop is considered black music too!! but you dont see people crying over it!!
@alecoram7874
@alecoram7874 3 жыл бұрын
I've literally never heard anyone label punk, metal, or grunge as "white people music." Get over yourselves and stop injecting race and victim hood into everything.
@j6154
@j6154 3 жыл бұрын
It’s ridiculous, if you like punk also listen to bad brains, a predominantly black band but also one of my favourite punk bands ever
@kevinw8276
@kevinw8276 3 жыл бұрын
I'm loving that Death gets so much more recognition the past several years
@greghauser742
@greghauser742 Ай бұрын
I mean...it's the only recognition they've gotten. No one knew they existed until 10 years ago.
@libertarianpenguin3303
@libertarianpenguin3303 2 жыл бұрын
To anyone who grew up in the 80's hard-core scene this is not suprising Fishbone, Bad Brains, In living Color, all the two tone Ska bands. The scene was diverse, we had a blast! I was an old school skinhead had friends who were black skinhead. Big fans of rock steady, Ska and reggae, the Clash the list goes on. Just heard about Death which is amazing! Sad they didn't make it back in the day! It the immortal words of Sham 69 "if the kids are united we will never be divided" For the most part the history of punk is very diverse. I hope it always stays that way. We were united in our passion for each other!!
@lilmikey1275
@lilmikey1275 5 жыл бұрын
The only people that judged blacks that were into rock music were others blacks. And it wasn't just rock music, blacks judged black people that were into/did the following: - Skateboarding - Dressing formally - Speaking/talking "white" - Wanting to go college - Reading - Math/Science - Dated outside of their race (still are judged for this to this day) - Vote Republican If your black and you did any of the following I listed, your race would be questioned.
@therealgodessisis
@therealgodessisis 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for whitesplaining
@lilmikey1275
@lilmikey1275 5 жыл бұрын
@@therealgodessisis I'm black
@lalaland2107
@lalaland2107 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, these comments are so mad!
@RihannaIsIluminati
@RihannaIsIluminati 4 жыл бұрын
Deadass
@retardedrabbit135
@retardedrabbit135 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's gets people get mad when you take something that they create and completely misconstrued it and distort the information
@maxdibble4169
@maxdibble4169 4 жыл бұрын
G how, the people who made and funded this video support modern day slavery and had nothing to do with punk
@VPS_Reports
@VPS_Reports 4 жыл бұрын
nazi punks lol they filled the coments
@hotepkiller1180
@hotepkiller1180 4 жыл бұрын
Black ppl in my music....im mad better cry on KZfaq about it
@gabe_s_videos
@gabe_s_videos 5 жыл бұрын
The more I learn about Death the more I like them! They are the truest punks, imo: just doing exactly what they wanted to do.
@ishtlutz1261
@ishtlutz1261 3 жыл бұрын
as are many other punk bands.
@gravenewworld6521
@gravenewworld6521 5 жыл бұрын
Grew up in a white catholic community but my parents were both writers so I had access to a great deal of culture. Luckily for me my father has an extensive music collection and had a death album, so I was introduced to them somewhere around 2003
@FrankMendez1969
@FrankMendez1969 6 жыл бұрын
Don't talk about something you don't understand. Punk has never cared about race. I bet she doesn't even support local punk bands.
@znedrow4
@znedrow4 5 жыл бұрын
True, i grew up in punk and race meant nothing, you were punk or you werent. Nothing else mattered. Race identity is not a thing in punk.
@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112
@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112 5 жыл бұрын
@Val 91 what do you know about being black and punk would you shut up. You're the race obsessed because you would rather not hear our side of the story
@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112
@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112 5 жыл бұрын
@@znedrow4 are u black?
@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112
@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112 5 жыл бұрын
@@tafkapi9840 punk wasnt totally right wing either . It expressed the ideology from whoever was playing it. you're just telling one side.. "rock against racism" was there just like "rock against communism" as a matter of fact Poly Styrene ,Don Letts and Pauline Black ( who were in this documentary )were apart of that RAR movment. As a matter of fact "rock against communism" was started to counter "counter Rock Against Racism ." Rock Against Racism" was first so stop your rediculous fairy tale revisionism. And although it was irresponsible The swastika was used as a shock mechanism by many punks back then, even black punk rock bands like pure hell wore them Also lots of outlaw gangs from NY did the same thing and most of them were non white. I'm glad they ditched that trash because nazi pigots used that as an excuse to infiltrate a lot of white youth in the UK. . punk rock was nihilistic but with nihilism always leaves and opened space for all kinds For an ideology no matter what . There were also more black punks than were mentioned in this video. And white journalist like lester bangs calling out racism in the scene as well. With his article "white noise supremacists " .punk is like any other subculture or any where where there is people , you have a variety of ideologies swimming about . You're acting like screw drivers view was the only view and that only punks were white. Punk wasnt totally anything but what it was - another outlet of a bunch of ideas .
@tafkapi9840
@tafkapi9840 5 жыл бұрын
@@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112 You're arguing against points I didnt even make. Not once did I say punk was "totally" right wing, or even predominantly so. And when I say "right wing" I obviously dont mean tory voting toffs with mohawks. I brought up RAC and not RAR becuse RAC was pertinent to the context of the comment (that punks didnt care about race etc). There is just a misconception nowadays that punk was always some kind of anti-racist, pro-gay, pro-feminist movement that had monolithic ideals that would allign with a modern SJW, which is obviously FAR from the truth. As you said it was largely nihilistic, there was a lot of anger and hate in the music, it was a contrast to the idealism and utopianism that had come before in the late 60s.
@aquaferme1346
@aquaferme1346 3 жыл бұрын
the weird thing is that back in Britain... al these band started as tribute to african american musics of all kinds and it was not hidden at all. They really worshiped that stuff and came to make it their own. African american musicians from the 1940s onward toured in the UK and did great there... all the way to the 1980s with house music.
@crowhillian58
@crowhillian58 Жыл бұрын
Influenced by, yes, tribute to, not really. British musicians were just as influenced by ska & reggae which was Jamaican, not American.
@crowhillian58
@crowhillian58 Жыл бұрын
@@77Creation I can't disagree with your comment, my point was that British music had a wider influence than just America and punk specifically was more home grown than American influenced despite what the American in the video tried to claim. I'm replying after a few weeks so I can't remember his name. ✌️
@dannieast
@dannieast 4 жыл бұрын
So many angry whites in the comments lmao
@snow-puppetsofficial360
@snow-puppetsofficial360 3 жыл бұрын
What's a white
@avertthymortaleyes3460
@avertthymortaleyes3460 3 жыл бұрын
@@snow-puppetsofficial360 the figment of your imagination you claim is oppressing you everyday lol
@snow-puppetsofficial360
@snow-puppetsofficial360 3 жыл бұрын
@@avertthymortaleyes3460 What? Read my reply again. I don't think you got the context right. First, I'm white, so how can I be oppressed by my own skin? Second, I agree with you. The BLM movement is made up *predominantly white* leftists who claim that black people are oppressed. I'm not a leftist.
@steevrawjers
@steevrawjers 3 жыл бұрын
lol classic
@Andromeda_CT86
@Andromeda_CT86 3 жыл бұрын
Understandable, blacks would be mad if it was a hip hop documentary but only focused on white artists. Giving whites full credit for the movement.
@doughboysxe
@doughboysxe 6 жыл бұрын
D.H Peligro - Dead Kennedys, never gets any love?
@dspan9
@dspan9 6 жыл бұрын
thats what i was sayin too
@SoupEater32
@SoupEater32 6 жыл бұрын
Yes! One of the best early punk drummers!
@maxxxmodelz4061
@maxxxmodelz4061 6 жыл бұрын
Dead Kennedys were great, and one of the early examples of true punk, but they came about two years after the British explosion of the genre. The Sex Pistols had already broken up and other bands like the Damned and the Stooges were active for several years when the Kennedy's were formed back in 1978. They definitely took the torch and blazed up some new paths with it though.
@Frijolero18
@Frijolero18 6 жыл бұрын
They were early forerunners to the SoCal hardcore scene though.
@xdeadbeatboi6666x
@xdeadbeatboi6666x 6 жыл бұрын
Frijolero18 They're from San Francisco
@dekaiaverett3265
@dekaiaverett3265 4 жыл бұрын
They never said Death pioneered punk they said Death were pioneers in punk which is very different.
@midnightstorm4290
@midnightstorm4290 3 жыл бұрын
Because if you think about it punk not only from one band but multiple bands to mold what we know punk is today
@philmstud2k
@philmstud2k 3 жыл бұрын
But they weren't even that. Pure Hell and Bad Brains? Definitely. Death? Nobody had even heard of those guys.
@camerondodge2070
@camerondodge2070 3 жыл бұрын
@@philmstud2k Nobody in the mainstream has ever heard of Pure Hell either, so...
@letshugandlove324
@letshugandlove324 3 жыл бұрын
do you agree with the title of the video though?
@1TakoyakiStore
@1TakoyakiStore Жыл бұрын
I remember reading a bunch of stuff in the Allmusic guide to Rock back in 2003 and was surprised at just how many early rappers started out in hardcore bands.
@RevShifty
@RevShifty 8 ай бұрын
Early rap and hardcore had a lot of overlap. In NYC, the first white fans of hip hop were punks, because they came from really similar communities and backgrounds. To this day, some of my favorite NYC hardcore bands have hip hop side projects, and that early overlap gets missed or ignored far too often. And while not really punk or hardcore, Candiria are still Brooklyn legends. They were combining hardcore, metal, and hip hop before any nu metal bands were, and they were never corny about it. They'd also manage to throw some funk, jazz, and even acoustic music into the mix over the years.
@c.dracula
@c.dracula Жыл бұрын
Death "we wanted to be like Alice Cooper" AJ+ "They invented punk not white people"
@bb-of3qz
@bb-of3qz 6 жыл бұрын
If you watch this and believe what these people say then you are a fool.
@forshigity5000
@forshigity5000 6 жыл бұрын
especially when the annoucer listens to PINK
@semperfiarcher
@semperfiarcher 5 жыл бұрын
@DJ Bob-omb!Uh no. Black Americans created Gospel, Blues, Rhythm and Blues (and thereby Rock n Roll), Funk, Disco, and Rap (among other genres). However, to site mid 70s groups as creators of Punk doesn't wash. The Stooges came out in 1969. The New York Dolls self titled album was released in 1973, when Death was still a funk band called "RockFire Funk Express." Patty Smith released "Hey Joe" in 1974. The first track on the album "Politicians in my Eyes" was not released until late 1975. That said, Death were most certainly early contributors to Punk and deserve to be credited as such. This isn't about race; it's about the history of punk. How's this for credit? The ultimate foundation of all recorded Rock music is Mamie Smith, who recorded "Crazy Blues" on Tuesday, April 10, 1920.
@justinibatzchi7970
@justinibatzchi7970 5 жыл бұрын
DJ Bob-omb! I’m a black punk musician. This isn’t true.
@DPoner
@DPoner 5 жыл бұрын
@DJ Bob-omb! He's just doing that because of your prejudice.
@barbarianblood2316
@barbarianblood2316 2 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@thisisthewatch2918
@thisisthewatch2918 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a Hip Hop guy with an alternative soul. I hope no non racist white punks take this video offensively or weird. This video shows your community being leaders of acceptance, love and art. I just wanna say thank you for that. Even Hip Hop isn't exactly an accepting culture.
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 Жыл бұрын
Many of us love hip hop too. I'm glad that's what you took from it. From the view point of someone who grew up in the west coast scene it is a bit painful to hear some of the stuff they are saying regarding punk not accepting Death as an influence or that that is somehow our fault as a community. They tried to sign to a major label who were trying to market to a mainstream audience, Not a punk audience. I think had they gone the DIY or punk label route or maybe even a black label we probably would have heard of them much sooner.
@claudiasolomon1123
@claudiasolomon1123 10 ай бұрын
If they aren't racist, they won't have a problem with any of this.
@omalone1169
@omalone1169 9 ай бұрын
​@@ramonw9430check out the book Everything but the burden
@guessundheit6494
@guessundheit6494 7 ай бұрын
When Miles Davis said he wasn't making music for whites, he wasn't being "a bigot", he was making a point about how Black people exist, were important, and should be as much at the centre of society. Anyone who didn't get that point proved his point.
@mrfarkyhars9192
@mrfarkyhars9192 5 жыл бұрын
Stop rewriting history
@freudianslippers6567
@freudianslippers6567 5 жыл бұрын
How is black people talking about their experiences "re-writing" anything? You people are so melodramatic, I swear.
@mrfarkyhars9192
@mrfarkyhars9192 5 жыл бұрын
@@freudianslippers6567 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLV_htCq3bSpY6c.html
@s2sHoXXs2
@s2sHoXXs2 4 жыл бұрын
@@mrfarkyhars9192 how about you use your own words instead, buddy. No one's rewriting history here
@AlfBenny
@AlfBenny 6 жыл бұрын
you didn't grow up where I grew up, if you didn't see many punks that weren't white, myself included.
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 6 жыл бұрын
+Alf Benny Yup. I'm half Mexican and I grew up in California. Plenty of other Latinos in the scene here. Some of the biggest bands out here are at least part Latino. Quite a few black punks as well.
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 6 жыл бұрын
Skyy Gamez Clearly you don't live in California.
@exeuroweenie
@exeuroweenie 6 жыл бұрын
Zeros were a great,pioneering Mexican punk band,now that you mention it.And Alice Armandariz(The Bags) spoke for herself.
@tonyarichelle8380
@tonyarichelle8380 5 жыл бұрын
Raymond Wright WORRRRRD brotha✊🏾
@athaprince9359
@athaprince9359 5 жыл бұрын
When I lived in Chicago I most of my alternative friends were Mexican. I did meet some Black metalheads, not many. Now back in rural Virginia you might be one the only alternative kids of your race in a predominantly White town. You're probably one of the few alternative kids White or not lol. It depends on where you live. At least that was my experience when I was younger.
@ChristianVBlue3
@ChristianVBlue3 6 жыл бұрын
She said no Latino recognition in punk? What about Ron Reyes?? What about that 60s Peru band Los Saicos? These people should make more research before they upload anything and bringing up race
@monochromaticaddict311
@monochromaticaddict311 6 жыл бұрын
Also Alan Vega. He was Puerto Rican and pioneered punk, electronic and no wave music in the early 70's in NYC
@xbiggermx
@xbiggermx 6 жыл бұрын
Los Crudos, Agnostic Front, Sick of it All.
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 6 жыл бұрын
Lack of Interest
@dyr234
@dyr234 6 жыл бұрын
ron is from y home town Puerto Rico. he was a mad singer love those early black flag songs with him on them same goies for keith.
@glasses9995
@glasses9995 5 жыл бұрын
Robo, the second Black Flag's drummer. He's Colombian
@EliteXtasy
@EliteXtasy 6 жыл бұрын
I'm quite sure "proto-punk" started in the 50s/60s. Screaming Lord Sutch, Los Saicos, The Kinks... All sound very much like punk and all older than 1973.
@MrMmnngghh
@MrMmnngghh 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you mentioned The Kinks. "You Really Got Me" is proto - punk and proto - metal.
@johnr8820
@johnr8820 6 жыл бұрын
exactly
@monte4974
@monte4974 6 жыл бұрын
The seeds
@maxxxmodelz4061
@maxxxmodelz4061 6 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone mentioned the Kinks. So many bands copied their style and low fidelity sounds but never gave any credit to them for that.
@pointlessgimmickyusername9196
@pointlessgimmickyusername9196 6 жыл бұрын
Black Merda were very similar to DEATH, but earlier- Detroit garage rock/'proto-punk', also all black. They started mid-60s IIRC. Personally, I think it's impossible to claim someone was "the first punk band", but that mid 60s detroit garage scene- MC5, Stooges, as well as bands like Black Merda, was pretty damn close.
@michaelsnodden5084
@michaelsnodden5084 2 жыл бұрын
Why pick some youngster to read a script for this? Clicks? There is a story to be told but we're not that far on that it can't be told by someone who was there
@carlwinslow5905
@carlwinslow5905 Жыл бұрын
Death is cool and all but no one cited them with anything until that documentary. They were not really that known at all. Just a local band. There were plenty of bands doing what they did waaaay before the early 1970s.
@mramos1126
@mramos1126 Жыл бұрын
precisely
@Hobbofett
@Hobbofett 6 жыл бұрын
The host knows literally zero about the punk and hardcore movement, how hard would it have been to have found somebody with one iota of a clue ?
@phuckgoogle4027
@phuckgoogle4027 5 жыл бұрын
its all about superficial image and aesthetic with these pathological leftists. they dont understand content, just how shit looks. thats what popular culture is based on though - image and aesthetic, not actual understanding of technical artistry.
@Maveriks1010
@Maveriks1010 5 жыл бұрын
if they got someone with a clue the person wouldn't allow themselves to talk all this crap.
@Alexmustdie-zy6kz
@Alexmustdie-zy6kz 4 жыл бұрын
@@phuckgoogle4027 you realize punk started as a left wing movement the Dead Kennedy's were super left wing and the sex pistols were started to sell a brand of clothing
@s2sHoXXs2
@s2sHoXXs2 4 жыл бұрын
found the dogwhistling skinheads, if theyre not then they're just dumber than I thought. In that case, then my bad.
@dubsideproductions2859
@dubsideproductions2859 4 жыл бұрын
phuck google punk is leftist
@Desmodontidae78
@Desmodontidae78 3 жыл бұрын
Nearly all of the dedicated fans of Punk that I have met are well aware of the multi-cultural history of Punk, so it feels a bit misleading to imply that there's an overall ignorance to Punk's history within its fanbase regarding the contributions from people of color. Folks outside of the scene don't typically know, but those who love the music usually are well enough aware, at least in my personal experience. Perhaps the wider world is different. The historical evolution of Punk is deep and varied. The Punks of African descent in England and America definitely had a strong influence. They were one of many vectors helping to shape the sound and culture of Punk. I am ecstatic that bands like A Band Called Death are getting love again. The history of Punk is a treasure and it is worth preserving.
@kikidulalinko5570
@kikidulalinko5570 3 жыл бұрын
what history we grew up multiracial it is our culture
@rwmartinez1262
@rwmartinez1262 11 ай бұрын
​@@kikidulalinko5570yes, it's BLACK CULTURE
@Donself1978
@Donself1978 5 жыл бұрын
Why are so many people in the comment section in there own feelings. No one said black people created punk, they were just naming some black punk rock artists. I’m from the dirty south and I love 60s and 70s rock (All genres of those era), 80s thrash metal, 90s grunge and scattered other groups from that era. When people hear that they instantly are in AWE down here. That’s why I see nothing wrong with an Afro Punk festival cause down here if you’re black and not listening to Migos, Lil Wayne, Cardi B and other groups like that well people seem to instantly judge you.
@gregvaldez1269
@gregvaldez1269 Жыл бұрын
I know right ..
@buzzbuzzerson3592
@buzzbuzzerson3592 5 ай бұрын
You wanna agree with this lady that Death invented punk so you are not accused of being racist, but then reality kicks in and you have to realize there were bands like the stooges, Mc5, It’s All Meat and a bunch of unsigned garage bands playing this sort of stuff in the 60’s before Death emerged.
@user-qs2le2cs2r
@user-qs2le2cs2r 6 жыл бұрын
Just saw Poly -Styrene on the front and I was like Yeap, got to watch this!
@florenceoztas6186
@florenceoztas6186 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I saw Poly Styrene too! Really disappointed Poly is not celebrated by this presenter . Just window dressing - shameful !
@melodyebuskin5490
@melodyebuskin5490 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I had noooo idea and I was playing Boston music clubs in the late 70’s. When I moved to the UK in 1980 I saw black and white musicians playing all kinds of music together and soon I was jamming with people from many diverse cultures.
@carlospayan5638
@carlospayan5638 4 жыл бұрын
Punk can't be explained in words. Either political, misfit, musical, nihilistic, rebellious, some of these things can be explained. Just make friends with punks, find the way to be punk, and you will know what punk is.
@Lunatic4Bizcas
@Lunatic4Bizcas 6 жыл бұрын
A note on the original band 'Death:' As much as I truly enjoy punk of the 70's, I love 70's R&B as well. A drove of phenomenal R&B music came out of the 70's era.
@Lunatic4Bizcas
@Lunatic4Bizcas 6 жыл бұрын
+MrMmnnggh: "¿Black Merda?" ¡You can go fv
@MrMmnngghh
@MrMmnngghh 6 жыл бұрын
Black Merda is the name of a very good R & B band, influenced by Jimi Hendrix. Do some research before you post misguided insults. Below is a link to their excellent self - titled EP, released in 1970 on Chess Records. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptF1f6ip0Njagqc.html
@UltraAntiEverything
@UltraAntiEverything 6 жыл бұрын
I've heard rumors that Pure Hell, despite releasing nothing but a 7" in the 70s/80s, became a major influence on the UK punk scene through touring back in the days... And holy hell, if their LP (released within the 10 years) doesn't sounds as good as any '82 Boston HC punk band!
@dj_daddy_yonqui
@dj_daddy_yonqui 6 жыл бұрын
How can you forget the influence of Don Letts on punk
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 Жыл бұрын
Very influential and he was probably left out either because the journalist here didn't know enough about the history of punk to know who he was or because he didn't fit the narrative.
@raquelnunes9793
@raquelnunes9793 4 жыл бұрын
looking at the comment makes me realise why you do need to punch fascists.
@adrianshephard378
@adrianshephard378 3 жыл бұрын
Lets punch the Communists and Fascists
@niknak8299
@niknak8299 3 жыл бұрын
These so called “Fascist” you call aren't even Fascist I have never seen someone that's actually cool with Fascism. No one likes Fascism except for very few dumbasses.
@Lwilight
@Lwilight 3 жыл бұрын
@@niknak8299 Fascists don't think they or their beliefs are Fascist. Flowery words, dog whistles, and political influence are used by "educated" fascists and the morons tend to occupy Internet forums and publicly announce their vile rhetoric. So "i've never seen someone cool with fascism" doesn't make sense - because you have likely; their have been quite a few instances recently.
@daisymagnus306
@daisymagnus306 2 жыл бұрын
Nazi punks*
@ericschwartz2756
@ericschwartz2756 6 жыл бұрын
Death did not get discovered until just a few years ago. They were not an influence in punk at all.
@moko9hoko
@moko9hoko 6 жыл бұрын
Eric Schwartz Yes they were. They werent well known until a few years ago but early underground punk bands/kids knew of them and for sure impacted them in some way
@jpjpjp453
@jpjpjp453 6 жыл бұрын
Have to disagree. Not a single person or notable zine i ever knew that was in it from the beginning ever mentioned them at all. And i was a fanatical record/demo collector back in the 80s. I could jump on the phone right now with people i've known that were into it going back to the 70s and i'll guarantee that none heard of this band back then since they would have come up in discussion over all these years. The only band they'll know by that name was the metal band that released a series of demos that pioneered death metal
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 6 жыл бұрын
+JP JPJP Although I do have to agree that the Floridian Death is definitely much more influential even though they were death metal, not punk. However Alice Cooper himself has sighted them (the Detroit Death) as an early mutual influence (he stated so on his radio show). He's plays their songs from time to time on his show. If they were on Alice Cooper's radar back in the day then I'm pretty sure they were an influential local band. I've seen it happen personally. I'm from a part of California that doesn't always get the respect it deserves musically yet many musicians come from here. Some of them are in big bands. Many of them were influenced by local bands that are huge in the area but nowhere else really. You'd be hard pressed to find anything written about most of these influential local bands in the "big" publications. Never the less they were hugely influential on many of the local musicians who have become "famous" musicians.
@dannyapeshit
@dannyapeshit 6 жыл бұрын
I hear you, but I don't think MC5 were truly influenced by Sun Ra, even if they say that. Sun Ra is way more complex and intellectual music while MC5 to me were just influenced by rock n roll music of the 50s. Stooges were influenced by Chicago blues for sure as documented by Iggy himself. Howlin Wolf pretty much influenced all of the garage rock growlers of the 60s if you ask me, especially Captain Beefheart.
@dannyapeshit
@dannyapeshit 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah agree overall. The "Band Called Death" documentary clearly explains that Death were not known at all and they only recorded demos for a label that vaulted them. The reporter needs to do their research. However, obviously black culture has heavy influence on punk regardless, you know since blacks created rock n roll. And the Ramones, the first "official" punk band said the whole purpose was to put the roll back into rock again. Punk was created out of the frustration of heavy metal bands that pretty much killed rock n' roll with their narcissistic 20 minute guitar solos etc. Bands like Zeppelin pretty much made the music about themselves and not the energy of the people. The Ramones, the Clash and Sex Pistols were on a mission to do the reverse.
@maxxxmodelz4061
@maxxxmodelz4061 6 жыл бұрын
Well by their own admission, they were heavily influenced by the MC5 which can really be considered the precursor to Punk movement as well. The MC5 were out in the 60's, laying down some fast paced tracks and crazy live shows that no one else were doing at that time. The Kinks were probably the earliest example of that kind of anti established music, but MC5 were way heavier and played faster.
@misfit2022
@misfit2022 3 жыл бұрын
They were well down the line in ‘68. The Kinks ‘64, Los Saicos ‘65, Sonics ‘65 and 13th Floor Elevators ‘66 were all earlier
@rwmartinez1262
@rwmartinez1262 11 ай бұрын
​@@misfit2022and who were they influenced by? It always boils down to blacks.
@FrankTulloch
@FrankTulloch Жыл бұрын
Gravitating towards rock music as a young black Jamaican made me feel like an outsider... Had we known about these pioneers earlier, we wouldn't have felt so alien...
@FrankTulloch
@FrankTulloch 8 ай бұрын
@aofmual I found a community out here that is into it. We are small, but consistent. Got bands, concerts, event and more. "Alternative Entertainment"
@GUIZMO190207
@GUIZMO190207 3 жыл бұрын
Punk is punk. It doesn't matter your race, yout nationality, only import that you hate the tirany and injustice, be yourself, and having fun in the pit
@crimsonwolf9099
@crimsonwolf9099 6 жыл бұрын
A few corrections: The term hardcore, applied to punk, was definitely FIRST used by Canada's DOA with their lp "Hardcore '81". 2nd, original drummer for Black Flag, Robo, was from (I think) Puerto Rico and was brown. He got deported. The Dead Kennedy's amazing drummer D.H. Peligro was black. DC was not "the center of hardcore", there was no "center of hardcore". In Texas there were a lot of Latino punks including members of the Offenders and I believe the guitarist for the original Dicks. There was nothing punk about Debbie Harry and Blondie except that they had started playing at CBGB's. I never considered Patty Smith a "punk" any more than I considered Springsteen (no, dis... love him) a "punk" and I still don't. Poly Styrene, on the other hand, big time punk. Still, a great little documentary. Thanks.
@LigaFantasma
@LigaFantasma 3 жыл бұрын
Robo was from Colombia and he was as white his band mates in the Misfits and Black Flag. Stop rewriting history to support your racist fantasies.
@crimsonwolf9099
@crimsonwolf9099 3 жыл бұрын
@@LigaFantasma "Racist fantasies"???? Isn't that just a little over-the-top? So I was wrong about Robo. He was a killer drummer either way. What difference does it make? Racist fantasies? I have none.
@emilianosintarias7337
@emilianosintarias7337 2 жыл бұрын
@@crimsonwolf9099 I agree with you but you only talking the US. By the early 80s punk was already getting underway everywhere on earth, except sub saharan africa, and that means most scenes were not "white" (not that anyone cared about that). To this day most punks are not white. The biggest punk scene in the world history is surely in west java
@gregvaldez1269
@gregvaldez1269 Жыл бұрын
@@crimsonwolf9099 All he was saying is that ROBO is a white dude from Colombia because Hispanic can be of any race .
@klinkee688
@klinkee688 5 жыл бұрын
GAVIN!!!!! I want my very black history of country and bluegrass music now!!!!!! The truth needs to be told!!!!!!
@locoog7971
@locoog7971 6 жыл бұрын
The stooges came much before death though
@cocopops4974
@cocopops4974 6 жыл бұрын
Loco OG ur right but the stooges were more of a hardcore rock and roll band... There one of my favorite band... It was mixed with Alot of genres... Rock and roll/blues/ and punk... Legends... If u watch the whole video the band in the view said that they didn't claim the created punk...but us black people aren't recognised for doing it
@radovanpopovic4934
@radovanpopovic4934 4 жыл бұрын
there's no real point in time when Punk started....50's, 60's.....
@tiefighter3445
@tiefighter3445 3 жыл бұрын
@@cocopops4974 Then why is there a whole video given credit that they invented punk? 😆. Besides Death even said they were trying to sound like rock music probably had no idea they were making - sort of punk music style.
@robertoacevedo6247
@robertoacevedo6247 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 55 I heard death before I heard the stoogies, back in Jersey in 73, even iggy pop says he was influence by death.
@midnightstorm4290
@midnightstorm4290 3 жыл бұрын
Punk wasnt born on a particular day It evolved as different bands came in and experimented with their sound..
@LadyLossehelin
@LadyLossehelin 4 жыл бұрын
I love whoever put the captions, they are great xD
@thalazt
@thalazt 2 жыл бұрын
Punk like hip hop is beautiful because it's message transcends race. It reminds the world its not our neighbors that are the enemy, it's the rich, elite, ans those that force control.
@jnaz3thirty1
@jnaz3thirty1 Жыл бұрын
All music transcends race ……..and why do you hate Rich people ? Many of them worked their asses off for their Money…….
@thalazt
@thalazt Жыл бұрын
@@jnaz3thirty1 because most the people I have know that worked their asses off for money forgot about being good people or parents. Do you really think they work harder then some poor people? Maybe take some time and research how hard it is to navigate generational curses, lack of oppertunity, guidance, and direction. In punk and hip hop we deal with those things. And you either get it or you dont.
@themetalcowboy6
@themetalcowboy6 6 жыл бұрын
You guys are missing out on the powerviolence band Soul Glo
@PookieDaExzile
@PookieDaExzile 6 жыл бұрын
Finna,Check em out. Thanks bruh
@retrospect702
@retrospect702 6 жыл бұрын
holy crap, thanks! so good
@rokch1ck
@rokch1ck 6 жыл бұрын
themetalcowboy6 they’re so sick.
@robertdawson2743
@robertdawson2743 3 жыл бұрын
This is stunning stuff. I,m more of an alternative Metal fan but definitely appreciate what I call Real Punk and and Real Hardcore. No music genre should be exclusive in it's ethnic membership as music is for everyone and anyone who appreciates it, gets its messages or is directly affected by its it's messages and lyrics. I love to see audiences at gigs really go off, not violent but really feeling the music, the empowerment and the cathartic therapy of letting the music take you and Metal, Punk, Hardcore, Industrial...whatever genre it is it's for ANYONE WHO GETS IT no matter the Ethnicity, Skin colour, Religion, Sexuality of the Musicians or Audience.
@guessundheit6494
@guessundheit6494 7 ай бұрын
I wish this had included Suicidal Tendencies, which you probably like as much as I do. They straddled Punk, Hardcore, Metal, and Thrash like no one else, and with a lineup of Black and Latino members have massively influenced many, from Metal to NuMetal to Rap.
@the_real_tay_loud2072
@the_real_tay_loud2072 9 ай бұрын
I was taught about Bad Brains and Death from the beginning. Punk was never about color it was about not accepting color
@bloodboughtbigphilr8266
@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 3 жыл бұрын
In the early days of punk in the U.K., the Hammersmith Palais in London was a key venue for live shows. This was a club known more for reggae and in between bands, the only in house records to play were reggae discs. This turned a lot of punks on to reggae and of course, there were punk bands who started incorporating reggae elements into some of their output and even performing straight up covers. Especially noticeable with The Clash but also The Ruts and Stiff Little Fingers and it sure worked a treat. Proved an impetus too for the Two Tone movement though a cross pollination more with reggae's forerunner of ska and rocksteady.
@crowhillian58
@crowhillian58 Жыл бұрын
Even Blitz did a couple of reggae influenced tracks
@roylle6346
@roylle6346 2 ай бұрын
Americans are getting disgusting with the lies now
@dkgshizzy
@dkgshizzy 5 жыл бұрын
The best part is watching them interview Dead and the band themselves telling AJ+ they were never a punk band and were into hard rock. Not much was said after that. Amazing they left that bit into this video though without that extra footage in the video it'd be even more terrible than it already was.
@wildcatste
@wildcatste 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating history- thanks for sharing!
@stevelikesgummybears1662
@stevelikesgummybears1662 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, Bobby was the basist in my local church choir in rural VT, USA. Took years of him complimenting my bad brains patch before I realized who he was... Nice bit, thanks for doing it.
@brianlogsdon4824
@brianlogsdon4824 2 жыл бұрын
I was late to the party, didn’t get into punk until 1996 (16 yo) when I had a crush on a punk girl. Started with pioneers like the pistols and ramones, got into DK, misfits, descendents, Circle Jerk, Black flag, early Anti-Flag (die for your government), SubHumans, Exploited, NOFX, total chaos, Bad Religion, newer (at the time) punk like pennywise and offspring. Also discovered some Ska (bosstones, glow skulls, the specials, goldfinger) Later in my mid 20s I discovered X ray specs, the germs, Minor Threat. In my 30s I discovered indie rock like the Pixies. Before I discovered punk I was listening to rap, metal, crossover bands like Korn and RATM, as well as grunge, but I like pretty much all genres. I love 80s stuff like Depeche Mode, The Cure as well. But learning about bands like Death and Bad Brains, as well as Fishbone it’s clear I’m still learning and I enjoy learning about old bands too
@NegativeBodhiImage
@NegativeBodhiImage 5 жыл бұрын
Wow this takes KANG posting to astronomical heights.
@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112
@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112 5 жыл бұрын
And you take being a whypt stupremashit to where its always been, in the toilet. I will challenge your sorry bass what do you even know about the black history of punk let alone rock n roll NOTHING . And you know nothing about what you saying . Come on pigot let's go l let's go
@NegativeBodhiImage
@NegativeBodhiImage 5 жыл бұрын
@@oddiodiscoursemusicchannel6112AHHHHha ahahahahahahahaha I checked out your channel, guess what you suck! LOL You shouldn't be qualified to listen to music when you cant even keep a simple 4/4 line On A Bass …. !!!!!!!BwaaaahhhhhahahaHAHAHHAhahahahah
@WAVYU5
@WAVYU5 5 жыл бұрын
how sad of you. lol
@Brian-ul2mw
@Brian-ul2mw 5 жыл бұрын
I look forward to your documentary on how white people made hip hop,jazz,soul,blues,dancehall,rock,r&b,reggae,funk etc lmao
@dubsideproductions2859
@dubsideproductions2859 4 жыл бұрын
Why do you hate black people
@unhallowed45
@unhallowed45 6 жыл бұрын
It's so true about the industry being controlled by Jim Crowe gatekeepers.
@alecoram7874
@alecoram7874 3 жыл бұрын
We're well past that. Hip hop has been dominating the music scene for over 15 years.
@HAUNTEDRECS
@HAUNTEDRECS 3 жыл бұрын
@@alecoram7874 seriously, what are these people smokin?
@biancachristie
@biancachristie 3 жыл бұрын
The music business is still segregated. Hip hop sells, but it has to be conformist in ways that include skin color and ethnic identity if it’s going to be perceived as commercial by the gatekeepers.
@punkisinthedetails1470
@punkisinthedetails1470 3 жыл бұрын
Totally read that as "goat keepers" haha.
@lightstar52899
@lightstar52899 5 жыл бұрын
Fishbone came after the punk wave in the early 90’s. and therefore could not influence a past wave.
@LetsGoMetsGo33
@LetsGoMetsGo33 Жыл бұрын
Other pioneers: Ivan Julian of Voidoids and DH Peligro of DK. Screamin Jay Hawkins is the original horror punk (and horror bluesman). The whole two tone scene. 24-7 Spyz played all genres. Of course Little Richard, Chuck Berry, and Bi Diddley started it all. Chuck Berry once reviewed a bunch of punk records, from the Pistols and Ramones to Wire, and he was all like “yup, these guys are doing my shit, but what’s with those vocals” lol. Bo Diddley was on the first US tour by the Clash (who also played with the likes if Bad Brains and Grandmaster Flash). Jamaican Brit Don Letts played with Mick Jones of the Clash in BAD, directed 2 punk documentaries, and influenced Bob Marley to write Punky Reggae Party, which name dropped the Pistols, Clash, Jam, and the Damned.
@bigmoneysteppa
@bigmoneysteppa 6 жыл бұрын
Now we colour coding punks too lol. Earth 2018.
@grandsome1
@grandsome1 6 жыл бұрын
steppa money Music was colour coded from the beginning in American culture go check the distinction they made at the beginning with Rock and RnB which were essentially the same thing. The best art often comes from struggling and black people in America for most history were struggling more than the average and had to get creative to survive.
@MichaelKerr71
@MichaelKerr71 6 жыл бұрын
Nobody is colour coding anything here. They are just stating that black people were also involved in punk/proto-punk.
@bigmoneysteppa
@bigmoneysteppa 6 жыл бұрын
NoneOfTheAbove why does that matter?
@MichaelKerr71
@MichaelKerr71 6 жыл бұрын
What are you even really talking about? We can't celebrate black musicians now? YOU are the one color coding here.
@bigmoneysteppa
@bigmoneysteppa 6 жыл бұрын
NoneOfTheAbove why does that matter? You idiot you are calling people black musicians. I think you dont even know what your hands are doing. Take your confused feelings somewhere else.
@Pedroleum100
@Pedroleum100 6 жыл бұрын
Death came from the Detroit scene which was very important for garage rock (or proto-punk as it is named in hindsight): MC5, The Stooges and Alice Cooper (not so much proto-punk, but still influential) all came from Detroit. And besides them, even the Detroit funk band Funkadelic was playing rock songs in this era, check out Funkadelic's Super Stupid or Alice in My Fantasies for example.
@lehliladevandria5712
@lehliladevandria5712 10 ай бұрын
Poly Styrene is literally my personal idol. I'm obsessed with her.
@aotctd
@aotctd Ай бұрын
I LOVED growing up in our multiracial City when she was around
@risingrightside
@risingrightside 2 жыл бұрын
Death: "We're not a punk band, we're rock and roll band" AJ+: "Death is legendary black punk band" Lol
@tiocfaidharla251
@tiocfaidharla251 6 жыл бұрын
Death maybe would have been pioneers if people actually heard thier music. They were basically dug out of a dust bin and rediscovered. Meaning no one had really heard of them at all during the time when punk was starting to come into it's own. It was only in the early 2000 that a wider audience had heard them. You cant say someone or something was inspired or originated from something they were unaware of. If a tree falls in the woods and nobodys there, does it make a noise?
@evileyelash8094
@evileyelash8094 4 жыл бұрын
The music got around differently back then, through shows, local distribution, travelling and word of mouth. If you were a musician or someone with particular interest in something, you could be influenced by the smallest, nobody ever. I was signed up to a mail-order music catalog that distributed a zine back in the 80's and learned about a lot of artists only musicians, music nerds or people in any particular place/location knew about - none of my friends or people in my area might have known about a particular artist, but other people did, including anyone who went out of their way to keep on top of this genre of music. Also, if you were a DJ, especially of a local or college radio station that occupied a channel waaaaay down the far end of the radio dial, because these bands couldn't get major radio stations to play their music, they would find out who you were and send you their records, thus getting aired for the consumers of that type of music or whoever was able to pick up the signal and tune in, no matter how niche or small the audience was. These were the typical ways punk (and other forms of underground music) got around. In other words, just because you didn't know bout it doesn't mean that no one else knew, especially if they were in the movement themselves.
@evileyelash8094
@evileyelash8094 4 жыл бұрын
Also, if you knew who Siouxsie and the Banshees were back in their punk days, you were special, because they were very niche and unknown where I lived in the States at that time until they slowly started to break through in their "goth" or "post-punk" years while most punks were into the Sex Pistols and Ramones. So, not that different.
@alfiex6667
@alfiex6667 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it does make noise you just can't hear it cuz your not there.
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 Жыл бұрын
@@alfiex6667 Exactly. In this case nobody was there to hear the tree fall so how could they have been influential?
@photonfartsqueeze6694
@photonfartsqueeze6694 Жыл бұрын
Tell that to the Dead Boys in CLE who were aware of and respected Death.
@richieriot9014
@richieriot9014 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning Pure Hell, being from Philly I grew up on them but they need the exposure that so many other bands have gotten over the years. If you don't know them, you are missing out.
@MrJimbo-ew9vk
@MrJimbo-ew9vk 11 ай бұрын
Blacks have been doing Rock since its very beginning. Little Richard, Chuck Berry and Jimi Hendrix have to be the three big ones as far as I'm concerned on the top of my head. There's probably a shit-ton of others I don't know about. As for blacks in punk rock bands, I might also recommend also listening to: Whipping Boy (1/2 of the band, including the frontman, is black), Dag Nasty ("Dag with Shawn"-era; Shawn Brown, who is black, was the first frontman of this band), the Chicago punk band The Bollweevils (black frontman), the Dead Kennedys (black drummer) and the Plasmatics (black bassist; fun fact: same bassist would produce the "Animal Boy" album for the Ramones). EDIT: Forgot about Lenny Kravitz (half black, half Jewish).
@aotctd
@aotctd Ай бұрын
Yeah. None of it was ' Hidden ' *L M F A O*
@PirateRadioDude
@PirateRadioDude 6 жыл бұрын
The Velvet Underground was proto-punk.
@mypartyisprivate8693
@mypartyisprivate8693 5 жыл бұрын
The Stooges too. What a trash vid.
@mohammedmaher9697
@mohammedmaher9697 5 жыл бұрын
The VU was also a poto-noise rock band
@jody8526937
@jody8526937 3 жыл бұрын
The Velve Underground first two albums were produced by a black guy.
@PirateRadioDude
@PirateRadioDude 3 жыл бұрын
@@jody8526937 after spending couple of years researching and re-educating myself on this issue, i understand the history better
@kevinw8276
@kevinw8276 3 жыл бұрын
The best description of Velvet Underground that I've ever heard is that they're a "proto-everything" band
@jaymack8182
@jaymack8182 3 жыл бұрын
first rule of Punk: There are no rules. carry on.
@MyAFDA
@MyAFDA Жыл бұрын
Fantastic short. Thank you for this. My wife is currently curating a show about a Black South African photographer who has turned his lens on the SOWETO punk and skateboard movement. I am a punk from way back and have always loved punk from different parts of the world. Keep it up.
@pequenorei_art
@pequenorei_art 6 жыл бұрын
Can someone list all the song that appears in this video pls
@snotrat2
@snotrat2 6 жыл бұрын
Reggae was an influence on British punk. It wasn't through black punk bands though, it was through reggae
@mamonpret
@mamonpret 3 жыл бұрын
Because ART is Universal. whatever is the genre, everbody can do as long as we love it
@starbrite526
@starbrite526 3 жыл бұрын
In theory, yes. But going to shows and playing music, people often look like I don't belong unless its a black artist.
@yhb4682
@yhb4682 3 жыл бұрын
@@starbrite526 Yeah its sad. Why does it matter what color you are.
@Chrisleero
@Chrisleero 6 жыл бұрын
Whole Wheat Bread, At the Drive In, TV on the Radio
@liquidswords0335
@liquidswords0335 6 жыл бұрын
Christopher Lee at the drive-in is hispanic. Tv on the radio is indie.
@matthewatwood2581
@matthewatwood2581 3 жыл бұрын
You call Tv on the Radio punk? I never thought of them as such. Doesn't matter though. Just a label. Great band.
@matthewatwood2581
@matthewatwood2581 3 жыл бұрын
@@liquidswords0335 Being Hispanic doesn't mean it's not punk.
@tonymarshall3978
@tonymarshall3978 6 жыл бұрын
We in the uk don’t care that much about race when it comes to music. A lot of white American artists spent the 50s trying to become known as the greatest rock and rollers ever and to,d everyone how they were better then everyone else. The unk artists of the 60s spent there time worshipping at the alter of Chuck berry, little Richard and Bo diddley. Eric Clapton a man referred to as the god for his guitar abilities has never claimed to be the best instead pointing to his favourite American blues artist B.B King. In the 70s white uk teens knew more about black music in America then almost anyone else due to northern soul. An underserved nd movement where teens were going to America and digging up any song by a black artist that had never gotten big and taking it to play around the uk at parties they DJ. They diddnt cover them they instead just gave these forgotten American blues and soul tunes a new audience. As well as punk there was ska which was popularised in the uk by Jamaican imagrants playing classic tunes from the genre to there white neighbours who loved it so much that they formed there own bands. Often these bands would be mixed race such as the beat and the specials. Weirdly racist skinheads loved ska music and adopted the Jamaican rude boy fashion and were usually the crowd that bands that could sometimes have more black then white members would be playing too. The most famous example of this though is of course jimi Hendrix who after famously de throbbing the god at a live event formed his own band was immediately adopted in England as the face of rock and roll before he returned to America and became the legend he is today. The uk is weird like that
@Mosel66
@Mosel66 2 ай бұрын
Weirdly non racist skins were listening to reggae years before the racist skinheads
@joshuasaner2965
@joshuasaner2965 3 жыл бұрын
Why is she addressing this like it’s new information? There’s been enough documentaries and interviews long before this girl was alive
@--Paws--
@--Paws-- 3 жыл бұрын
3:50 I knew "punk" was a black slang for some time, especially when I worked with a lot of black older folks at work. Punk was just as how he described it and how my coworkers defined it. Gatekeeping really has affected how music is perceived and even how a music's origin is remembered.
@quincy9908
@quincy9908 2 жыл бұрын
I thought punk simply was another word for wuss. And the word was used towards this music aesthetic to reclaim the social ostracization. Also wouldn't call it slang. It's just another word to me
@greghauser742
@greghauser742 Ай бұрын
No one was "gatekeeping" punk. Where do you people get these ideas from?
@xdeadbeatboi6666x
@xdeadbeatboi6666x 6 жыл бұрын
Bad Brains were also Rastafarians
@laughterhappiness5436
@laughterhappiness5436 6 жыл бұрын
MasterAD 2247 it's Rasta.
@xdeadbeatboi6666x
@xdeadbeatboi6666x 6 жыл бұрын
Zikhona Kwela Same thing but yea
@tonymarshall3978
@tonymarshall3978 6 жыл бұрын
You seen the documentary “finding Jospeh I” about the singer. It’s crazy he wanted to move into reggae immediately after the first album and they had to keep convincing him punk was better. Also because rastas are all about possivitvity his Rasta friends wanted the band to change its name to good brains but luckily they had the sense to say no
@tanner77
@tanner77 6 жыл бұрын
can anyone tell me whats the name of the song that plays right after Holiday in Cambodia??
@PriapeBoudu
@PriapeBoudu 6 жыл бұрын
Tanner Rodrigues Misfits - Last Caress
@tanner77
@tanner77 6 жыл бұрын
Harry Reasoner Tks so much!!!
@johneboy910
@johneboy910 3 жыл бұрын
I hear you. I also understand that Beethoven and Chopin were black. Any truth in that?
@6AM_YT
@6AM_YT 6 жыл бұрын
The Bad Brains were an important band because of what they did, not the color of their skin. Get your identity politics out of our music.
@kingboobs20
@kingboobs20 6 жыл бұрын
The refusal to address identity politics is why punk hasn't been relevant for over 30 years.
@albertoramona38
@albertoramona38 6 жыл бұрын
+Bill Jones - It sure did to them, even though I understand where you're going to.
@Houseless_socialist
@Houseless_socialist 6 жыл бұрын
Said No one that had a firm understanding of race relations and why that's an important subject matter in punk music, ever.
@thisisthewatch2918
@thisisthewatch2918 6 жыл бұрын
As a black alternative kid I'm here and feeling like I belong somewhere. Do not take that away.
@ramonw9430
@ramonw9430 6 жыл бұрын
+Sav Speaks As a Mexican punk i get what you're saying but this video is not really punk. The Bad Brains are amazing and are one of favorite bands of all time but this video is wack. Punk has always been for everybody. It's our own communities that got us believing we can't take part in it. I love my people but they are judgmental.
@meatwoodflac4526
@meatwoodflac4526 6 жыл бұрын
Iggy and the Stooges New York Dolls MC5
@cocopops4974
@cocopops4974 6 жыл бұрын
Meatwood Flac love the stooges.... They were the bomb...
@The_Ballo
@The_Ballo 5 жыл бұрын
@@cocopops4974 The Bomb....was an actual punk band
@joshb8976
@joshb8976 3 жыл бұрын
Proto punk
@meatwoodflac4526
@meatwoodflac4526 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshb8976 iggy and the stooges is 1000% the birth of punk and I think most people from that time period would agree, they were the inspiration for so many bands.
@ManifoldSky
@ManifoldSky 3 жыл бұрын
And? Your point is?
@paulreyes3972
@paulreyes3972 2 жыл бұрын
What is the name of the song after DK's "Holiday in Cambodia" comes on ?
@paulreyes3972
@paulreyes3972 2 жыл бұрын
Nevermind
@IXINOSIS
@IXINOSIS 6 жыл бұрын
Punk is Punk and attitude is attitude and neither of these two things has anything to do with race, gender, politics, (maybe) or religion. Its music made to be heard just like any other form of music people enjoy. Punk is about being yourself and having a free mind of your own with an attitude that comes with it and things like fashion do not matter unless you give it a reason to matter, social media just like AJ+ and the people who work for them and follow them don't understand that and they try to make Punk into their own image to suit their personal ideologies. Punk is for all types of people no matter who you are.
@NinjaContravaniaManX
@NinjaContravaniaManX 6 жыл бұрын
Death didn't pioneer shit. No one ever got to hear them back then. Only in recent years, their music came to light and now hipsters gonna be like "oh yes, black proto punk, that was the shit back then don't you know?!" and all of a sudden, we need pointless documentaries like this... -.-
@ChristopherBatson
@ChristopherBatson 6 жыл бұрын
SiLeNCel2 A group of people's early efforts in the formation of something going unrecognized, only to later be given more prevelance and placed in higher esteem. Also known as... pioneers
@markward661
@markward661 6 жыл бұрын
Christopher Batson pretty sure the original comment is in reference to this video implying that bands like death shaped punk and have just been "white-washed" out of its history. Most importantly punk isn't about race but in this instance of the band only more recently being credited and appreciated in the timeline of punk then how can they have shaped the genre and pioneered sounds outside of a position of influence? It's great that African American influence on punk is being recognised but this video takes it a step beyond and creates a racial divide by playing off the relative obscurity of two punk bands (both incredible imo) compared with the status given to some white punk groups and claiming this is a racial divide/issue. Punk has been influenced by people of all races and awareness of that is good, but I guess it takes a race baiting video like this to make that step and try and attribute it to a specific race/imply a group has been excluded from its history. If you actually listen to punk you won't give two shits about what this woman's saying and you'd just enjoy it for what it is.
@ChristopherBatson
@ChristopherBatson 6 жыл бұрын
Mark Ward 1. Pioneer =/= influencer. Many "settlers" of America as well as pioneers of art, business, etc. didn't meet with initial material success or raise immediate interest. However, this doesn't negate their importance as early voices in a movement. 2. I appreciate the often visceral stance against bigotry that many in punk culture take; the push against Nazi skinheads appropriating punk signifiers being an exceptionally notable example. That doesn't mean punk is immune to the structures of bigoted thinking. Nothing is. 3. Race is in all things, all the time, everywhere. Or rather, it's found its tendrils, along with its negative thinking and power structure, in every aspect of culture. Enjoying something - in this case, Punk - for what it is is fine, but if you don't periodically examine the negative history permeating everything, you run the risk of supporting the ethos Punk stands against.
@PlannedObsolescence
@PlannedObsolescence 6 жыл бұрын
Didn't punk more or less originate with the MC5 and The Stooges?
@sitvisjes
@sitvisjes 6 жыл бұрын
Yes
@johnmcvay4403
@johnmcvay4403 6 жыл бұрын
No
@kenthayer9790
@kenthayer9790 6 жыл бұрын
Yes it did
@jpjpjp453
@jpjpjp453 6 жыл бұрын
More or less yes.
@personbelowmesmells9867
@personbelowmesmells9867 6 жыл бұрын
Amanda Tessmer if you wanna take it back that far you can go back to the 1916 Irish singing about getting rid of the English you could count that as punk but no one does therefore you shouldn't say mc5 or the stooges are so it started with the pistols and clash
@thecosmicblueautie
@thecosmicblueautie 5 жыл бұрын
To those who say that punk never cared about color,, explain why the only black punk rock band a punk can even remember is Bad Brains? Death, Yes, Pure Hell, National Wake, FIshbone, Whole Wheat Bread...nobdy who claims to like punk rock so much will EVER mention these bands emough. And why? Well, none of the bands I listed suck, so that can't be a reason.
@phoenixstopmotions
@phoenixstopmotions 5 жыл бұрын
What's the song at 0:09 straight after Holiday in Cambodia?
@phoenixstopmotions
@phoenixstopmotions 5 жыл бұрын
@@xbfdx988 Cheers mate
@thejking
@thejking 6 жыл бұрын
End racism and segregation! Let's have an all afro-punk festival.. Makes perfect sense..
@Char10tti3
@Char10tti3 6 жыл бұрын
Love how they basically said nothing about Rock Against Racism in the U.K. too. They’re trying to make it sound like they’re talking about U.K. and us punk but then just talk about the us and used the U.K. examples to say that punk is political? Like, that’s the point of the genre?
@SuperVladamere
@SuperVladamere 5 жыл бұрын
@@Char10tti3 Almost like it's propaganda or something.
@skullsouljah2836
@skullsouljah2836 5 жыл бұрын
Most afropunk artists nowadays are r&b or something else. Only about 10% of afropunk artists are even punk
@somedaynow1128
@somedaynow1128 3 жыл бұрын
The blackification of everything!
@ManifoldSky
@ManifoldSky 3 жыл бұрын
STFU. What an idiotic argument about as band from four decades ago!!! They weren’t “blackifying” anything. That wasn’t even a thing. And talking about them now its history.
@somedaynow1128
@somedaynow1128 3 жыл бұрын
@@ManifoldSky you're funny. You STFU.
@yushuahuesun9423
@yushuahuesun9423 3 жыл бұрын
@@somedaynow1128 soulless
@cvl8722
@cvl8722 3 жыл бұрын
🤡🤡🤡
@thecraplordsell4575
@thecraplordsell4575 2 жыл бұрын
Lol as if whites don’t whatificaction everything of their own.
@walentyg
@walentyg 3 жыл бұрын
I never thought of punk in color. I listened to punk on college radio, it was cool and still is.
@famccormick
@famccormick 3 жыл бұрын
The drummer for the 1865 was also the singer for one of the easiest Skate Rock hardcore bands (McRad).
@alber.a1232
@alber.a1232 3 жыл бұрын
“When you’re black,you’re punk all the time”. 😄👌🏻
@kikidulalinko5570
@kikidulalinko5570 3 жыл бұрын
lol not true attaching to things one didn´t even grow up with is funny punk is individual and multiracial
@Andromeda_CT86
@Andromeda_CT86 3 жыл бұрын
So lame and untrue
@dnikkithatsame5990
@dnikkithatsame5990 3 жыл бұрын
What she meant is you’re (black people) outside of the margins... which is what punk is, outside the margins.
@redshift912
@redshift912 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are for clicks . It’s pretty obvious.. at least they are possibly turning people on to cool music .
@yhb4682
@yhb4682 3 жыл бұрын
@@kikidulalinko5570 I don't think that's what he meant by that. He meant that they are always different and excluded. Punk was diffrent and excluded back then.
@MaxieBoii
@MaxieBoii 6 жыл бұрын
Their second band example came about after the Ramones and The Sex Pistols. Arguably 2 of the most popular punk bands. Not really so valid
@chriswallace9113
@chriswallace9113 3 жыл бұрын
This is called “rewriting history”. People can see thousands of pictures of punk shows back in the day. I’ve been to many. White as Alaska in winter. Black punks surely did exist but they were few and far between. Funny, I followed punk closely for almost 2 decades race never came up until the left became obsessed with it in every facet of life, past and present.
@tripndub
@tripndub 4 жыл бұрын
track ID at 2:23 please?
@brainfreeeeeze
@brainfreeeeeze 6 жыл бұрын
What's the first song that plays at 0:02?
@6AM_YT
@6AM_YT 6 жыл бұрын
"I Against I" by the Bad Brains.
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