Edit: It seems like certain individuals are choosing to get personally offended at my critiques of Burton's Wonka movie and deliberately ignoring the numerous positive things I praised it for. GUYS... the movie is FINE and if it's your favorite of the two that's great! I am personally not a fan, so watching it 5+ times in the process of writing this episode was a bit of a slog so I incorporated a few jokes about it into the presentation. If it means that much to you, I'm deeply sorry for making fun of Johnny Depp's hair. Can we be friends again? 💜 🇬🇷 Join me on the Messed Up Origins Field Trip to GREECE! www.trovatrip.com/trip/europe/greece/greece-with-jon-scudieri-sep-2024 🇬🇷

If I went into a museum and started painting tops over the exposed breast of classic painting and sculptures, I would be arrested. These people changing books and stories from the past are no different. We should not force our current morals on works of the past, or we erase our ability to see both our growth and, at times, our mistakes.

Fun fact: in the first movie, none of the actors had seen the chocolate room set before shooting, so their expressions are 100% genuine, as it was their first time seeing it.

I think the little gate that did stop the father from saving his daughter, is a pretty accurate metaphor for this kind of parents. They will give their children everything they don't want and need but no love. Wouldn't save them from predators etc. I think it's a great scene.

"...the offended always forget they have the option not to partake." Truer words were never spoken. Well spoken Jon!

I think Grandpa Joe was mad depressed and Charlie was his only joy. So when Charlie got the last ticket it gave him something to live for, at least for a little bit.

23:23 Fun fact! In the Wilder version when he started singing, the actors actually had no idea that he was going to start singing. So their look of confusion and slight terror is real.

The fact that Veruca's father is incapable and powerless to intervene for her is THE WHOLE POINT. Her father's character totally explains how Veruca got that way.

The "knife man" is not really strange, he's a "tinker" they were quite common in the previous century, particularly in Europe. They would sharpen and sell knives and fix items.

There's that chapter in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory where Charlie exerts himself as little as possible because he realizes he (and his family) are starving to death. Seriously. I read that book when I was 10 and I had never read anything that disturbing before. It kind of blew my little mind.

I will say this about the squirrel gate: I always interpreted this as the father not being one for taking action or putting himself in harm’s way because he’s used to throwing money at his problems. While likely concerned for Varuca, he wasn’t brave enough to jump that little gate and face the dozens of trained squirrels.

He puts his nose in the air and smells the chocolate from the factory, I do the same thing when I walk past my local dispensary 💀😂 you earned a sub for that

33:50 I think Wonka tells Charlie that the button has never been pressed to add an element of wonder and curiosity for Charlie , rather than him never having used it before

When I read the book as a child or watched the 1970’s version I never got the impression that Grandpa Joe was a scumbag, or deadbeat, but an older man suffering from bad depression from living a life of hardship and seeing 2 generations after him having to go through the same problems without any hope. And Charlie finding the golden ticket was what lifted him out of it.

I love the social satire in the first half of the 1971 film, especially the cop show spoof about the woman who has to give up her Wonka bars to save her husband. Comedy is always at its funniest when you mix (somewhat) serious stuff in with it.

I FULLY AGREE with what Jon Solo said about preserving the original version, rather than the edition that had their souls sucked out of them dry. I would rather have my child read esteemed award-winning books from an esteemed, but imperfect author, than rather an edition of his books that were manipulated and had the souls sucked out entirely. At scene 48:43!!

This will always be my favorite book. I read it as a child and, when Charlie realized he had the Golden Ticket, my imagination exploded with pictures. I'll never forget that. I've been an avid reader my whole life as a result.

To be fair, Wonka doesn't screw Charlie out of the prize at the end; he clearly violated the terms of the contract by drinking fizzy lifting drinks, a mistake very similar to that committed by the other 4 kids. He does deserve the prize at the end as a result of not being vindictive over the disqualification and surrendering the gobstopper, but it only serves to affirm a part of his character that was called into question by his earlier actions.

Fun fact, the reason that the guests reaction seems so genuine when they enter the chocolate room in the 1971 version is because it is. They didn't allow the actors to see the set until they were ready to film that shot. So, you are seeing their genuine reaction to seeing the set for the first time.

The intentions behind the publication/production of this book/movie is far deeper than most people realize

Worth a mention. Though Deep Roy was born in Nairobi, he is of Indian descent and British nationality.

The performance wilder gives in the tunnel is absolutely unforgettable.

For me, Gene Wilder absolutely smashes his performance. As a child I totally believed he was really Willy Wonka!

I grew up with Dahl's stories and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was my favorite, and I loved the Gene Wilder version in the movies. With two young grandsons (age one and four), when I heard that the books were going to be "sanitized" and changed my wife and I quickly bought his entire works to get them before any changes, so our grandkids would be able to read the same versions we did. Oh, and we saw "Wonka" on opening night and it was truly a delightful prequel to Wilder's version of the character.

" I do the same thing, when I'm passing by my local dispensary" 😂

One look at the video length, and you already know Jon was cooking with this one 🍫

As someone with major mobility issues due to an injury, i can relate to grandpa. We went on a cruise last year, and although painful, I was much more active fueled by excitement

Main thing I remember from reading these books as a kid is that the sequels are even more of a fever dream than the first one. Part of me still thinks I made up Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator

Did we forget the 1971 version? Joe didn't want to get out of bed. Joe didn't want to go to the factory. Charlie pulled Joe's legs out and made him get up.

Also notice how each time a kid goes missing, theres only enough room on the ship for those who remain, meaning wonka knew when a character would disappear.

There’s a short series on Netflix that depicts four of Dahl’s short stories directed by Wes Anderson and it’s beautiful but also definitely highlights how weird some of Dahl’s works could be

As a child, watching Willy Wonka, the scene with Grandpa Joe jumping out of bed, was never anything but him making a sudden and miraculous recovery because of his excitement and joy for Charlie. I don’t think I ever heard about the theory that he was faking his invalidity.

The gobstobbers in the Wilder version were made of WOOD.

Two interesting facts about Gene Wilder's acting. It was his idea to walk limping with the cane up to the gate and to fall forward and flip to the gate. Several lines Gene Wilder said in the movie were out of impulse at the time, namely "Candy is Dandy, but Liquor is Quicker."

Oompa Loompas are orange and green because Mel Stuart improvised it on the spot when asked to change their skin color. He mentioned this in his book called Pure Imagination.

Absolutely nothing is stopping a parent from pre-reading a book and highlighting the parts they don't like.

At 7:41 the boy in the red shirt in the Gene Wilder version is Peter Stuart, son of director Mel Stuart. The charracter the boy portrays is named Winkleman. In the 2023 Wonka, an actress named Sophie Winklemann portrays the Countess. What a coincidence!

I grew up reading Dahls books. I dont think I’d have the crazy wide imagination i have if it wasn’t for him. Definitely played a huge role in my childhood.

I think the fact that the father did not make an effort to rescue his daughter even though there was a small barrier was a fitting metaphor. Because when you have money and resources and only offer your child money and resources doesn’t take any effort. But adjusting your life to put your child/ family first is a huge adjustment. So the fact that he did not make any effort to save her is fitting for the amount of effort he made to raise her. I think the kids and their bad behavior was also reflected in how they were raised. So both parents and children needed to make adjustments

I love the replacement of "acto" with "****". You hit the nail on the head. Also while i enjoyed the movies that already cane out i would love to see a movie version of the original story

Simple answer to the oompa loompas colours. 1970s bud, Everything was orange, green and brown for some reason

im so highly against "editing" books... no matter how "bad" ppl may think it is, its history in a way and they are changing it. to me thats just wrong

"It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You stole fizzy lifting drinks. You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed, and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day sir!"

You’ll understand the three foot gate when you’re older.

The dispensary comment made me giggle so hard, didn't know Jon Solo was chill like that!!!

We know the book is set in the UK. The reason is because of the coin Charlie finds that allows him to buy the chocolate bars that contain the golden ticket. The book clearly states that this coin was a 50p piece. That places the story squarely in the UK.

Gene Wilder was so good. His subtle humor was truly unmatched. One of my favorite actors of all time.

Burton spent 5 months just training squirrels. The entire Wilder versiion was made in 3 months.

I love the 2005 version, the acting, the atmosphere is amazing, didn't know people hated it

I'm actually excited to see this movie version because I am a huge fan of Paul King, the writer/director. He wrote and directed both paddington films which, while not straight adaptations, kept the spirit and intent of the author and the characters were lovingly represented in the films. I hope that King has done the same thing for Willy Wonka that he did for Paddington. The Paddington films remain, in my opinion, some of the best family films ever made.

Nothing was more magical to me than Gene Wilder and being born in 1971 I don't know how many times I sat in front of the TV year after year glued to the most unique movie I've ever seen !

Favorite line out of any of the movies: "It says: WHAT WOULD A COMPUTER DO WITH A LIFETIME SUPPLY OF CHOCOLATE? I'm now telling the computer EXACTLY what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate!"

They cut the orgy scene in the oompa loompa living quarters. The character who played grandpa had a change of heart and didnt want it in.

I have a theory/opinion about Grandpa Joe. I believe it's a mixture of depression and Munchausen. Think about it the depression comes from losing his beloved job and the Munchausen comes from his family constantly telling him he is to old and fragile to get out of bed..everyone but Charlie that is. When Charlie finds the golden ticket 2 things happen Charlie the one person that doesn't make Joe feel old and fragile wants him to go and 2 he wants him to go visit the one place aka old job that brought grandpa Joe happiness..to me it makes sense that he was able to get out of bed atm ..but that's just me🤷🏽‍♀️

There's nothing wrong with exploring the book's original depiction of the Loompas. These are exactly the conversations that we need to have instead of pretending events never happened.

37:52 This part of the story just sounds like something out of Five Nights At Freddy’s. In fact it’s like the fates of Elizabeth and William Afton.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was my hands down favorite book as a child. As a black child I never once gave the original portrayal of the Ompa Loompas a second thought.

I actually like the idea of the "honesty test" added to give Charlie a little more protagonist feel. When faced with the choice of getting his family some much needed money in a dishonest way or doing the right thing to continue living in poverty, he chooses the right thing, a huge character moment and one thay cements Charlie as the undeniable hero of the story.

I love how in the old movie, the abandoned factory had this creepy vibe. Every abandoned building/factory with smoke stacks I see still makes me think of Wonka's factory

They are afraid to offend kids but not the author who asked to never change his books. I would love to see the book version,thanks Jon!

I'm so happy to have found your videos again. I've always enjoyed your edgy storytelling. Keep up the Awesome work 😊

You are absolutely correct to raise the subject of the anonymous sensitivity readers. It did not go down well at all in the U.K. either. My personal opinion has always been that you can’t learn from history if you hide it under the rug. Pretending anything didn’t happen won’t help anyone. This editing is a good example.

I love both movies. I say that with no "buts" and no irony. I think they're just two different takes on a classic, created at different times and with different sets of tools available to each director. I know a lot of people feel the need to rank one over the other, but I don't. They're just different, is all.

I just love the scene where Mr gloop eats the microphone in the original

In the Burton version, it seemed to me that Grandpa Joe was miraculously cured by his excitement for Charlie winning the golden ticket. He loved working for Wonka, he’d been doing it for decades and his greatest wish was to see the factory one last time before he died. So when Charlie came in and showed Grandpa Joe personally that he had the opportunity to do just that, it gave him a burst of adrenaline.

I took my baby brother to this movie in 1971. I was 14, he was 5. I was so bored I could barely stand it. Our parents never would have taken me to a movie like this, and I never understood the children's movie genre, but my brother, 58, now, I hope remembers.

To me, the broad sweep of the different endings reflect the time and culture of each. In the book, written in welfare-state Britain, the highest virtue was doing as you were told, and so Charlie wins by never stepping out of line. In the USA of the 60s-70s, the highest virtue was to treat others honestly, and so Charlie won by refusing to betray Wonka. By the Burton version, society's focus was on resolving emotional issues, so Charlie wins by helping Wonka resolve his own twisted psyche.

Willy Wonka in both the book and both film adaptations, Felicity Dahl, widow wife of Roald Dahl, stated that Willy Wonka was testing both Charlie and the kids while on the tour. Which means that every time the group entered into a new room, Mr. Wonka refused to leave-not until the child fell for the trap and learned the lesson. Such as when the great, big pink dragon-styled open (Viking ship of old) row boat, there was only enough room for the few remaining children that were left in the group. Meaning that Mr. Willy Wonka KNEW that Augustus Gloop would’ve been left in the Chocolate Room, after telling under temptations to the nervously chocolate river-which resulted in him in scooping handfuls of melted chocolate into his mouth and fell into the river. And ended up getting sucked up into one of the glass pipes.

I read the "old school" version 6+ times as a child. There was never anything to compare it with or that surpassed it! I learbed how hysterically funny and clever you could make rhymes by reading the oompa loompa songs again and again. Grade school kids are both kind hearted heros and monsters, and Dahl revealed this to CHILDREN, who were already experiencing this in thier daily lives.

Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka feels so much more comforting and believably fond of children. It just feels like a hug. Depp's Wonka feels alien and cold.

In my own version, grandpa Joe ate some of the chocolate bar and the rush of nutrition that he was missing out on gave him the energy to go with Charlie.

I always liked the books and the first movie, but always wished that they had done a film of the second book, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. A lot more action, going into outer space and back to the factory, and even more rooms that hadn't been discussed before.

The infamous Mr. Dahl has been a great influence in my life. Growing up on his original work sparked my enthusiasm for reading as a child, he made me an author. First, growing up as a little brown girl, in an all brown school, we all knew that Rahl Dahl rewrote the Oompa Loompas to refrain from depicting Africans in slavery. We didn’t care because we knew who we were. Sensitivity groups are the reason the world is upside down, now. Mr. Dahl showed us the real world and helped many of us hold on to our imagination, which is the key to the reason why many adults don’t succeed. As a writer, I can attest to the fact that it’s hard to share your creativity with a world that’s so judgmental and half as talented. Mr. Dahl made me loud, righteous and brave in a world that’s meant to be scary, but if you grow up reading the books we had in the 90’s, nothing would scare you. Shout out Mrs. Judy Blume as well 🙌🏾

Deep Roy killed his role so hard that Tim Burton doubled his pay at the end of production

I didn’t catch the notice about your trip to Greece until today. I’m really glad for you, Lauren, and everyone going ❣️🌈☀️🎉 I really, really look forward to catching your next ‘trippings’. 🎉

Being 62 years old, I did grow up with all of Dhal's stories and found them delightful. Your overview was spot-on with Charlie, as I had read the book well before the first movie came out. Your conclusions about both movies are accurate also, excellent job. Thank you.

“Square Candy’s that look round” 😂 - God Tier Dad joke

Informative and delightful presentation. Thank you for putting it together with such excellence!

I always understood that the nut room was changed in the Wilder one because they didn't have A "CGI budget" you could call it to try and do the squirrels so they came up with what they could do with puppetry and practical effects

My general characterization of all of the Roald Dahl stories is: They're horror stories for kids. The notion that they're all rooted in his own childhood trauma is fitting, but kinda sad.

Fun fact: The foam used to spurt out in the “Wonka Wash” scene was poisonous. It was made from basic fire extinguishers and was a potent skin irritant, so after shooting the scene, the actors’ skin puffed up and reportedly required several days off set to receive medical treatment and recover.

I can see what the sensitivity readers were being cautious of in their revisions, but I would personally view a page at the beginning or end explaining why those lines could be insensitive then parents or children can decide if they want to read it or if they want to skip it. I think that would be a happy medium of keeping the original work but also acknowledging how it may inadvertently cause harm currently

I'm not defending it as good or bad, just wanted to say that the squirrel scene from burton's version made me think there was a deeper meaning. Like maybe, the dad always did whatever she wanted because he felt he had to, but sometimes would take the opportunity to stand aside and feign helplessness until she got what she really deserved. Or maybe, the absurdity of his inability to step over the gate, being just as absurd as the whole scene, is as much 4th wall breaking meta commentary as the oompa loompa's directly addressing the audience. I saw both possibilities in there and accepted the scene for how it was, no questions asked. I also accepted it because that's how it always had to be after knowing the fate of the other children and having seen the other movie as well. Which is another reason why it kind of felt meta. They could just do it that way and get away with it because: inverse plot armor, and they're throwing it in your face.

I’m a little nervous for the prequel. I think to get a background story on an iconic character has the potential to either add to the mythos or ruin it

I always thought grandpa Joe's recovery was a miracle made for being happy for his grandson winning the ticket.

How much does it suck having a fear of being canceled.

Something a lot of people don't know about Roald Dahl, he was a fighter pilot during World War 2, and after his flying career came to an end, he worked as a Naval Attache in Washington DC with Ian Fleming, the author of the James Bond series. The man was very complex to say the least.

7:42 The classroom version is my personal favorite: "Class dismissed! [...] Class undismissed. [...] Class Redismissed!"

Are you kidding me, Grandpa Joe makes the entire movie what it is, he's the one that gives Charlie the sense he can be somebody in this world. And that he deserves what everyone else deserves and he is worthy just like everybody.

“I had to make sure you were paying attention.”😂😂😂

The Tim Burton version will always be my favorite. I’m actually surprised at how much more accurate it is to the book.

The angle of seven children could've been very interesting if Roald was going for seven deadly sin approach. Augustus: Gluttony, which caused him to overindulge early and put himself in harms way needlessly. Violet: Pride, due to over competitive behavior and dare devil streak, she went out of her way to try out the experimental gum despite Willy's warnings. Veruka: Greed, ever impulsive, and desiring more when she sees something flashy and amazing. And on the spot, she'll want it, even after being told no by a higher authority than her father. Mike: Sloth, For doing the least amount of notable things in any incarnation of the series. Not even actively trying to find the golden ticket, instead his parents just so happen to find a bar with a golden ticket in it. Being possibly one of the only two kids to genuinely luck out alongside Charlie. Only losing because of his addiction to electronic entertainment and the possibility of trying out Willy's machine on himself. The other two kids could've been Wrath, who's temperament and impatience could cost them their spot early on after Augustus. And Lust, who could serve as our big bad, and has every intention of making it out big by the end anyway by planning on giving their Gobstopper to Slugworth should they lose. But become distraught in the big reveal of Slugworth's true nature as Willy's secret employee and instead attempt an escape from the factory with their Gobstopper to sell to someone else. Only for chaos to ensue, and they get put in a precarious position where their life is in danger and only Charlie can save them. But they would have to choose between their life or the Gobstopper. And obviously, they choose to live, giving Charlie the win. Charlie: Envy, but not in the way you think. Charlie was the one who went in with essentially nothing and had everything to gain from this excursion. Knowing this, Charlie had to be tested for his true character to see if he was truly worthy of anything, as someone like Charlie could've been tempted by all manner of things that would allow him to rise above his station. But instead, Charlie rejects all temptations by sticking to his virtues and giving his Gobstopper back to Willy, proving his worthiness.

The London/Broadway musical version was DARK! The bad kids (except Mike) died!

Honestly, Grandpa Joe jumping up and dancing after 20 years would be pretty impressive. 20 years of not using your legs regularly would make that nearly impossible, even if he was faking.

I am 42 years old, and have loved Dahl since the first time i read his book, James and the Giant Peach, in 3rd grade. As soon as I had finished that book, I went in search of anything else he had written, leading me to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I now own every one of his books. I read each one to my husband while traveling with him when he was an over the road truck driver. His favorite is Danny Champion of the World. Dahls life story is one of his own amazing adventures! When i heard the news that they were to edit his work, i was completely heart broken. And I was thankful I already owned my own copies. My daughter grew up on these stories. It never fazed her in one small amount. She found them just as fun and entertaining as I did. And when I think of Dahl and his works, I only find joy. And really, I dont understand people who wanted to change his work. He meant no harm in his words, and they know that. But, for a little publicity, I guess people will say whatever they want to get attention.

Gloop's original casting as a German boy was likely a decision based on their filming the movie in Munich, Germany, and Michael Böllner, who played him, later recalled in an interview for the film's DVD special features that his mother had answered a casting advertisement in the paper.

I definitely recommend the prequal with chalamet. It's so good! Hugh Grant as the Oompa is perfect! Also great soundtrack in my opinion

"All these squares make a circle." - Mr. Popo TFS

I'm Guessing Depp's hair style looked the way it did because they may not have wanted John Depp to look too similar to his Mad Hatter character in the Alice in Wonderland film. Considering that the Wonka character from the book has wild hair much like how Johnny looked in the Alice film.

I was a fat kid (and a fat adult) but never felt threatened by the description of Augustus Gloop. What happened to these kids was a result of their actions, no their appearances and I saw it more like cautionary tales. You could argue that if the appearance has nothing to do with the consequences, then it doesn't matter if it is included or not and leave it to the kids imagination. You could, but how will they learn the variety that exists? And since people tend to fear the unknown, how will they learn having tolerance and compassion for something different?