The VERY Messed Up Origins™ of Pocahontas (REVISITED!) | Disney Explained
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@JonSolo Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Solo Cups! This was a fun (and kind of depressing) story to revisit! I'm curious: what are YOUR thoughts on the movie? Do you like it? Do you think the inaccuracies are justified since the movie spreads awareness of Pocahontas's existence? Or should Disney have refrained from making the movie at all? Let me know! (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) ▼ Podcast Links! ▼ » Apple: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... » Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/0zC1NxC... » Google Podcasts: www.google.com/podcasts?feed=... » Amazon Music: music.amazon.com/podcasts/e2a... » Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/podcast/jon-... » iHeartRadio: iheart.com/podcast/99117988/
@BoiiBlu Жыл бұрын
hello i am a huge fan
@garveyneal1672 Жыл бұрын
When will you do messed origins of Disney Villains?
@isaiahadams1208 Жыл бұрын
I’m still waiting on that Messed Up Origins of The Prince of Egypt
@ArtingFromScratch Жыл бұрын
Pocahontas is Disney's attempt to apologize for Peter Pan.... Good timing though Honest Trailers literally JUST released Pocahontas today too
@emilycurtis4398 Жыл бұрын
I feel like if Pocahontas was presented in a writer's room today, it would be more about her resilience and possibly give her a happy ending. I like the film, it's a visual masterpiece, but the inaccuracies are as uncomfortable as the animated Anastasia (also visually stunning).
@micah459 Жыл бұрын
I'm cool with people having their own versions of fiction, but changing the story of a real person and glorifying her tragedy is messed up.
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
No one is glorifying anything. You're living in fantasy land if you think that.
@shawnhall3849 Жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 Disney didn’t just glorify it?
@lalehiandeity1649 Жыл бұрын
Hollywood!
@PanzerShrek94 Жыл бұрын
Changing fiction is only ok until it remains non canon.If they try to pass it off as part of the canon stories then it's wrong.
@mayaha200 Жыл бұрын
Where did Disney said the story in the movie is accurate to the real life one? Where?
@grapeshot Жыл бұрын
Yeah Disney definitely went with the whole exotic woman falls in love with the first white guy she sees trope. Actually Pocahontas was a very tragic story.
@JStryker47 Жыл бұрын
Hey, if he loves her too, then... what's the big deal?
@KD_OIFMedicM6 Жыл бұрын
@@JStryker47 Kokoum was her husband and was murdered, Solo took down my og comment
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
Oh boohoo.
@lilacdreams0120 Жыл бұрын
@@KD_OIFMedicM6 kokoum wasnt her husband. She was bethrothed to him but they didnt formally marry in the movie
@cindyduangmala554 Жыл бұрын
Disney actually told a nicer part of the story because he wanted kids to have something good in a world full of hate he explained it
@MizzTT2U Жыл бұрын
As a member of the Chickahominy tribe myself it's amazing that Disney actually got the pronouncing of the names correctly. Do I wish they would have listened to the tribal members that came out to help Disney with the movie more so on the acualt history then just how the homes and traditional practices went. Yes, but I get it can't go with the truth if it looks really bad with her age being a minor.
@lalehiandeity1649 Жыл бұрын
They went the socially responsible route because it cost less money than to completely rework the story to make their relationship platonic.
@anim4188 Жыл бұрын
But you forgot to add pocahontas 2 in where she travels to England, she is treated like a show pony in the movie, at some point shes looking for Smith and then sails off with a whole other John
@KD_OIFMedicM6 Жыл бұрын
The truth is she was feeling fine up until dinner, her companion thinks that she was murdered. National Park Service website
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was based on the fact she married another man and if I recall correctly, died giving birth to his son on the way back to her homeland. But I'm not sure.
@FaunaturaleOG Жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 yeah irl she ended up being married to Rolfe, bore him a son and died in her early 20's. Her father died of a broken heart, never seeing his daughter again.
@FaunaturaleOG Жыл бұрын
Ironically the second film was a touch more accurate to her real life experience than the first
@nbHawkeye Жыл бұрын
@@FaunaturaleOG Her uncle than became the new chieftain and if those storis are true became a coldblooded ruler that killed many settlers.
@emilycurtis4398 Жыл бұрын
I heard Russell Means speak at a lecture series at my college. He was supportive of the film given his own indigenous advocacy, and loved the idea of "white girls affectionately treating their Pocahontas dolls." So that was an interesting argument, where he was more focused on the cultural shift than the historical accuracy. (I remember reading that Pocahontas' friend, Nakoma, has a hairstyle more reflective of South West Indigenous Nations)
@Darkhuntersrule Жыл бұрын
My brother is half Native American (same mom, diff dads) He has dual citizenship with Canada where he as worked his whole adult life as a Native American/Aboriginal rights advocate. He was also friends with Russell Means but when the movie came out he was very upset and called him a sellout. He softened his stance years later LOL My brother's name is Russell Diabo.
@emilycurtis4398 Жыл бұрын
@@Darkhuntersrule Tiger Eyes with Russell Means and his son Tanaka was beautifully done. Based on the Judy Blue book. I just wonder how much pain and anger Means had throughout his life. I remember Disney was bringing in tons of Native groups to make sure the film was respectful. I can't see Means praising it or reprising his role in the sequel if he was upset with the portrayal of Native Americans. (This does not discredit those with serious concerns. Definitely a film I'll have to talk through my son with when he's old enough to watch it.)
@Darkhuntersrule Жыл бұрын
@@emilycurtis4398 well I think he did an excellent job in The Last of the Moichians
@emilycurtis4398 Жыл бұрын
@@Darkhuntersrule I watched Last of the Mohicans in college. Very good film.
@MrChristianDT Жыл бұрын
They say the original intention of the movie was to keep it more authentic to reality, but Disney wanted a movie that checked all the hallmark Disney boxes- love interest, clear villain, morals, etc. What I think happened was Russell Means was told beforehand that the story would be accurate & didn't really know much more about it than white people of the time, so never saw much of a problem with the changes, only realized how off it was once the movie came out & chose, then, to focus on the positive. Dude was kind of nuts, but he did care about his people.
@youtubecommentergal4346 Жыл бұрын
"He was injured by a gun powder explosion while lighting his pipe." Lol man's was about to blow himself up.That made me laugh.😂
@hackman669 Жыл бұрын
Shot himself haha 😄
@sabrinaloizides-merideth9874 Жыл бұрын
As someone who lives in Virginia where the movie is supposedly set, I've been wondering where those waterfalls are my ENTIRE life! LOL! They couldn't even get the terrain right.
@DrDolan2000 2 ай бұрын
Oops
@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115 Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, Pocahontas ' descendants went to see the directors and offered their help in writing the script and they declined.
@MizzTT2U Жыл бұрын
Disney did come out and speak to members of the different tribes, like the Chickahominy, who told them the truth but as you can see they didn't go by it. They did get all of the homes of the natives and the regalia correct but that's about it.
@yourfavoritenothing2.086 Жыл бұрын
Wait why did they decline?
@Mikumo91 Жыл бұрын
@@yourfavoritenothing2.086 Because the real story wouldnt work as a movie, let alone a Disney one. They should have just make original characters and say it was inspired by the Pocahontas legends. Some people would still be upset (because that's how people are), but a lot less I believe. On the other hand, I'm sure a lot less people outside of America would know about Pocahontas and her real story.
@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115 Жыл бұрын
@@yourfavoritenothing2.086 Because they already knew that the real story would not sell as a Disney animated film, and they wanted to do things their own way. Although, I still applaud Disney for finding a way to make the life story of Pocahontas and the myth of Hercules / Heracles kid friendly.
@lalehiandeity1649 Жыл бұрын
@@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115 You can’t say they made them kid friendly by twisting the truth to the point that they no longer resemble the real story.
@michellecrocker2485 Жыл бұрын
For example, Pocahontas was just a kid when she met John Smith who was like twice her age. A romance would never have happened. Plus one theory on the episode where she saves John Smith from execution was in actuality an adoption ritual
@thenonexistinghero Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure actual romances between adults and children have happened quite a bit through history. It didn't happen in this case, but honestly an adult guy in history falling in love with a 10-12 year old girl and marrying her isn't that hard to find.
@findingbeautyinthepain8965 Жыл бұрын
@@karoline7194 Thank you! It bothers me how people today don’t understand the age girls wed in history, and yet, they say things never would have happened. Queen Victoria’s family was considered the ideal of morality everyone should follow, and she had many of her daughters get married at age 14. Baby girls were often betrothed to men while they were still in the cradle. Of corse they wouldn’t actually marry these men until they bled, but that could be as early as age 11 or 12. Thankfully, it wasn’t common for girls to bleed around age 9 or 10, like it is today. Whether this was true pedophilia is debatable though. Most men from that time only slept with their wives to create offspring. They usually slept with their mistresses the rest of the time. Men rarely married someone they liked or found attractive either. They married whoever had the most money and social connections. So marrying a child to sleep with them would be a bit bizarre. Records also show, these men’s mistresses were actual adults. So I think the issue is more that they thought children magically became adults when they bled. There was no such thing as a teenager. There were babies, children, and adults. I can’t imagine how traumatizing it was for girls to go from children to adults and forced into marriage so fast.
@shawnhall3849 Жыл бұрын
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 but you would never excuse prophet Muhammad of Islam for marrying his child bride aisha. Double standards
@tarakennedy707 Жыл бұрын
I think he was more like 3 times her age tbh
@thenonexistinghero Жыл бұрын
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 Well, marryying that young was also mainly in noble and royal circles. Regular women, if they married, would usually do so in their early to mid 20's.
@theperksofbeingabookworm906 Жыл бұрын
I heard a theory that John’s “execution” was a practice of the chief’s power. It was a ceremony where it would look like he was going to kill John and Pocahontas’ role was to step in and ask her father for mercy. This was to show the chief as a powerful but merciful leader
@FayBelleRose233 Жыл бұрын
Disney Jon Solo: He hurt his back because he was saving children who trapped in cave. Rea-life Jon Solo: Hurt his back while squatted at LA Fitness. I am sorry Jon I couldn't help my self. But you are right through Disney made John Smith way better than how he actually was in real life.
@expressiondestination6430 Жыл бұрын
Shame on KZfaq for not notifying me about this. Learning the real story as a kid from my native friends parents really opened my eyes from an early age
@sm00rezd Жыл бұрын
Right I didn’t get a notification either 😭
@freckle_face2254 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. The things Pocahontas + her people and other Native Americans had to go through were disgusting and upsetting. Thank you for shedding light on the subject!!! Edit: can’t wait for next weeks episode!! Sounds extremely interesting :)))
@dragolingrand8607 Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see you do a messed up origins on the mayflower voyagers aka the pilgrims. Because the story about explorers and natives having a dinner of peace and harmony is far from the truth... from my knowledge at least.
@KD_OIFMedicM6 Жыл бұрын
when you contradict Solo because he just did the same thing as disney, he will delete your comment
@drknmysterious Жыл бұрын
@@KD_OIFMedicM6 what?
@kendallthompson2027 Жыл бұрын
I earned in my 10th grade early American lit class that John Smith wrote his journals in the third person to make himself out to be the hero of an adventure book. He wanted to be the main character so he wrote himself as a literary hero so people reading it would think that someone else wrote it about him and it wasn't for egotistical and narcissistic purposes. He literally wanted someone to find his journals, read about this great adventure hero and be like "Wow, John Smith is so cool. He's like Indiana Jones." So a lot of the things that happened are dramatized for his novel.
@j.t.7671 Жыл бұрын
Writing about yourself in third person so that people who read it will think that someone else wrote all this great stuff about you sounds pretty egotistical to me.
@angell48 Жыл бұрын
That literally sounds egotistical and narcissistic 💀
@dylonlord4784 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to request some history on celtic mythology I love your videos and how you explain stuff so I think your explanation of celtic mythos would be awesome cause it's pretty weird and dark like norse and Slavic mythology
@misbeautifulable Жыл бұрын
Like those banshees and some Irish folklore
@tasha34658 Жыл бұрын
I would love that too.
@jenniferhunt9971 Жыл бұрын
Jamestown Virginian here. The pronunciation for Pocahontas’s mothers tribe is Mattaponi. (Mat-ta-Poe-nye)
@pianoninja5276 Жыл бұрын
He’s killin me with the chiefs name Powhatan lol it’s pronounced Pow-ah-tan. Almost like Power-tan. My home town in Virginia is named after him
@melaniechorak251 Жыл бұрын
I saw your Thanksgiving episode first. Ty for covering my people accurately. Many times I've had to correct people that she was a child and her name was actually Mataoka. The way my tribe worked you had a nickname until a ceremony giving your tribal name. Like how now we have modern English names and a tribal name later. Keep up the good work correcting my culture. It was frustrating growing up native in the public school system. So much bad historical information.
@crissy297 Жыл бұрын
Pocohantas was my favorite growing up. Ready to hear it torn to shreds with the truth.
@user-ez4fk6tf6v Жыл бұрын
Thankyou for revisiting this Disney story and the true history behind it. It's disheartening knowing what happened to her and what has continued to happen to native Americans to this day.
@nbHawkeye Жыл бұрын
The story of Pocahontas is how a girl about 12 years of age was abducted, raped, shown off as a living trophy, was forced to marry a man much older than her and when she warned her people of what the englishmen planned was probably poisoned. That whole part about her saving John Smith? Most likely only a thing the real man made up. How Disney even came up with the idea to make a movie about such a horrifying tragedy baffles me to this day.
@silence-humility-calmness Жыл бұрын
kidnapping was common back then, natives kidnapped too, marrying young wasn't even taboo then. yeah i guess she was raped ,but did she actually say it? and how do you know she didn't adjust to her new life and eventually lived happy within it and even came to love and cared about her man? ... after all she was not exposed to tv or the internet to tell her how she should feel🙂 and without outside influence people tend to adapt to whatever situation they are in . and you cannot for 1 second convince me that she was on constant lockdown or supervision because she was a flight risk
@nbHawkeye Жыл бұрын
@@silence-humility-calmness I saw several documentaries and read several articles about her and all of them say mostly the same things. When a few of her sisters visited her in captivity on the ship the was lured to she told them she had been raped several times by different men. This sadly happened to many native women. Some of the articles also said the whole thing happened to her on the trip back to England. Before that she believed her powhatan husband would save her, little did she know the man had been murdered shortly after her captivity. She even bore a child of one of those men. Some now say she was forced to become a christian, some said she willingly did it, the truth is lost to time. In England "Rebecca" was then shown around like an exotic animal. She was more or less forced to marry the much older John Rolfe, the whole thing sounded more like a business plan. Some stories say she actually fell in love with this man, some claim this did not happen like her saving John Smith. She did bore Rolfe's child. In March 1617 when she was only 20 or 21 Pocahontas died. Some native americans visited her and at dinner she told them about some things the settlers want to do to the tribe. Shortly after that she suddenly fell ill and died. It's most likely she had been poisoned. The people who visited her were then sold to circuses as attractions. When her father learned about her early demise he died shortly after. Her story is one big tragedy.
@silence-humility-calmness Жыл бұрын
@@nbHawkeye what you say sounds truthful, have not really delved into the story, as a jew i am bothered by the extreme racism against whites like they are and were the scourge of earth, and that the natives and african's were living a peaceful moral existence until the "white devil" showed up and ruined their "heaven on earth" existence ,,the native tribes were constantly fighting each other ,kidnapping was common, scalping was of native origin, africans were the same, they were also eating each other on the regular and not due to lack of food, if africans or the natives were the technologically advanced ones ,then they would have come to Europe and done the to the Europeans the same,,, they are not and were not of higher moral character than Europeans ,in fact it could be argued that back then Europeans were in fact of a higher moral character in comparison, and getting along well enough is what spurred technological advancement
@MrChristianDT Жыл бұрын
There's a bit more to the story. She had been visiting Jamestown for years, showing an interest in learning English & knew several of the people, there, including Smith. Of course, the Anglo-Powhatan War starts- ironically, caused by John Smith's severe disrespect to Chief Powhatan, the same day as his sudden accidental injury, which apparently occurred whole completely surrounded by his own people, on a boat, while he was asleep following said meeting- and Jamestown is put under seige, with minimal supplies, for years. The English actually lost the war & surrendered to Powhatan, who forced them to pledge loyalty to him in return for their lives. Pocahontas- now an adult- assumes all the fighting is over &, when she & her husband come across an English ship, she wants to take a closer look at it, assuming all is well between whites & natives. Unfortunately, they get her and some others on the ship, take them captive (probably with intent to sell them into slavery) & kill all who resist, including her husband. But, they happen to stop at Jamestown & the people there recognize her, so James Rolfe buys up the lot & sends a message to Powhatan that the war has actually not ended, & if the Powhatan do not surrender to England & give up their sovereignty, Pocahontas & the other captives will be executed. Powhatan resists surrendering just to save his daughter for a while, as it would be selfish to do to his people, but ultimately relents, at which point Pocahontas is apparently infuriated that her father took so long & turns on her people, just long enough to become a Christian & decide to marry James Rolfe.
@Neku628 Жыл бұрын
Yup, and Pocahontas also had a kid with the creep she was forced to wed.
@kay123kay Жыл бұрын
When I watched the movie the thing that confused me most was *why* on Earth would an injured John Smith risk a long, grotty sea voyage to receive "treatment" in a city that was filthy, where disease was rampant, and surgeons didn't wash their instruments 🤢🤮
@Tips_Blackpink Жыл бұрын
He likes the smell of Ingrown toenail lingering inside his boots while getting soaked up with water. Yummm 😌
@kay123kay Жыл бұрын
@@Tips_Blackpink yummy 😅😆
@pamelamays4186 Жыл бұрын
Disney totally Disney-fied Pocohantas' life in England.
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
I don't get why everyone expects *Disney* a *family friendly* company to pump out 100% accuracte films. They make cartoons. Get over it.
@lalehiandeity1649 Жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 They don’t have to make movies based on existing stories, whether real or not.
@angell48 Жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 no people except them to not whitewash and remake terrible historical events in a positive light, they could’ve made something original like other movies but instead rewrote a tragic story. You don’t see people making Anne franks story kid friendly 😐
@tiahnarodriguez3809 11 ай бұрын
@@angell48 It was a different time when Pocahontas came out. Ya’ll act like they recently came out with this.
@angell48 11 ай бұрын
@@tiahnarodriguez3809 slavery was a different time as well but that didn’t make it ok💀 duh it didn’t just come out but people can still look back and say/realize it wasn’t right💀
@FaunaturaleOG Жыл бұрын
I think another film that absolutely tramples on the hard realities was the animated version of The King & I. Pretty much a solid remake of the live action bar a couple scenes, but would be an interesting topic to go into Jon!
@sheilarough236 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Anna Leowens who wrote a memoir that the king & I was based on , completely embellished a lot of her time as tutor to the King of Siam’s children. First of all , she was Anglo/Indian who was born & raised in India. But the King did offer to send war elephants to president Lincoln to help with the civil war
@sheilarough236 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t realize there was an animated version of The King and I. I only know of the one starring Yul Brynner, who played the King in over 6000 performances, in film and on Broadway
@jessicaable5095 Жыл бұрын
@@sheilarough236 it involves sea monsters, an evil sorcerer and a climax involving a hot air balloon.
@AmazingJuju Жыл бұрын
I grew up watching the animated movie a lot and I even still have the VHS tape of it, and some of the songs are nice and nostalgic , but I listened/watched it again after a long time and it felt weird how they portrayed some things. I think an episode on the story would be really interesting, I would love to know the origins of where they got everything from!
@AmazingJuju Жыл бұрын
@@jessicaable5095 with those parts front and center of why are they in the movie and the origins of it 😅
@alicewilloughby4318 Жыл бұрын
10:53 - It was more than just being angry that Pocahontas was kissing Smith, it was that he thought Smith was attacking Pocahontas. 12:14 - I've heard the theory that the whole business of them appearing to be about to kill Smith and then Pocahontas rushing in to save him was actually a ritual to adopt Smith into the tribe.
@ElicBehexan Жыл бұрын
When Pocahontas, Indian in the Cupboard, Babe and some other movie, were at the dollar theater, I went to see all of them, on Thanksgiving Day, and my birthday. The staff were surprised I was electing to go see dollar flics on both my birthday and Thanksgiving, but it was a rainy, cold miserable day in Dallas Texas. The reason was that the rest of the family went to the football game with the Dallas Cowboys. In between these movies, I was cross stitching, so I was sitting under a light to see what I was doing. A mother and 2 kids came in for Pocahontas. I had to explain that this was a fantasy story, not real history. I was a history minor (30 hours, so I could've had a double major) in college, and my family, while not from Virginia, were among the earliest settlers in New Jersey. I knew Pocahontas was very young, even by the standards of the day, and it was several years before she married. I remember hating the movie, oh, it was beautiful, but I kept wanting to 'fix' it. I kind of hope that family went home and did some actual research on the reality of it.
@tiahnarodriguez3809 11 ай бұрын
Sounds snobby tbh. Let the kids enjoy their movie, and when they’re older, and at an appropriate age they can research the true story on their own, or they can wait till they learn about it in their social studies class like the rest of us. You didn’t have to do anything, you just want to flex on your “moral” superiority.
@ElicBehexan 11 ай бұрын
@@tiahnarodriguez3809 no, don't tell them lies, create a new thing, don't go stealing and lying to children
@jenniferhunt9971 Жыл бұрын
That pronunciation of Chickahominy basically maid my brain explode. Disney had that pronunciation right.
@user-xn7sq7wb3m Жыл бұрын
Yay i just love his content as a nerdy 15 year old Jamaican he's the only person that can appeal my creative interest😂
@theduchessofspring2395 Жыл бұрын
I have--according to my mom's cousin, who is the self-designated genealogist/family historian--somewhere up in our family tree, an ancestor who at one in his life served under John Smith for a good many years. Idk if it was during this Pocahontas business, but afterwards he went on to write a book about his experience and about how incompetent Smith really was.😂
@SaturnWhiskey Жыл бұрын
I’ve always loved anything that is historically accurate, and other people hate watching movies w me for that.💀 But this channel has made me feel better bc I’m not the only nerd out here.
@Cc-xh6pn Жыл бұрын
You are not alone 🙃
@KD_OIFMedicM6 Жыл бұрын
It is still NOT historically accurate
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
@@KD_OIFMedicM6 Who gives a crap!!!
@shawnhall3849 Жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 historians and history buffs do
@shawnhall3849 Жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 and I’m sure Pocahontas gives a crap
@Dagothownsneravar Жыл бұрын
I find it both hilarious and sad that you did better on this story than some big name historical programs on here who still perpetuate the lie that this was some beautiful romantic fantasy
@zt3823 Жыл бұрын
Dude I'm Ponca from Oklahoma and thank you for not being afraid to post the gritty truth. Our shared history with one another (First Nation, Pilgrams) can seem so dark, I've seen other channels lie and say many tribes gave land away willing because they had so much they didnt know what to do with it {as if we were children, Yet we saved them their first winters and many more times over}; but what happened happened and we have to face it so we don't repeat it on each other. Let's show ALL of our ancestors they didn't die in vain because Love prevailed!! [Native Cry] Aye Thank you for your channel I like revisiting my favorite childhood Disney movies here and all the Greek mythology is Rad
@turt530 Жыл бұрын
Disney disrespecting source material noo can't be
@erickhart8046 Жыл бұрын
This was one always hits pretty close to home for me thanks for covering the truth of the story.
@kiyblackmoon Жыл бұрын
Pocahontas was my favorite Disney movie as a little girl. I USED to say she was my favorite Disney character. Until being old enough to understand and research. Thanks for the Vid
@dyslexictreki7087 Жыл бұрын
I have it on good authority that the disneyfication of your injury makes about as much sense as John Smith being sent on a three month boat trip to recover from a gun shot wound to the chest. I have a friend who was a teacher in a third world country and had to have me talk to her coworkers on identifying learning disabilities in students and to convince them it didn't mean they were stupid, because they don't test for it. It went about as well as would be expected given I'm literally a white lady telling them how to do their job. But she tried.
@findingbeautyinthepain8965 Жыл бұрын
I commend you for trying to respectfully navigate that very tricky situation. I completely understand how it difficult it would be to try to teach teachers in another country our social model of disability, without making them feel like you’re saying the white way is the best way. But as a disabled woman and disability activist, I also completely understand that we can’t just sit back and watch people treat children with disableist attitudes. It would be so interesting if more research could be done on changing social attitudes about disability without pushing white culture onto these countries.
@patrickchuan4550 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's pretty hard to convince people that their students are not stupid, it's them who are "stupid" (the actual saying "there is no bad students, only bad teachers"). Even in US and other developed countries, where teachers are empowered to create their own teaching materials on the fly, there were a variety of success. I discussed this with a friend recently. It seems like the pay and benefits (stable, low paid but with good prospect and pension, etc.) of the job helps attracts certain types of people to the job of teaching. So, in order to attract people that can create teaching materials on the fly (effectively), the pay and benefits has to compete with those of advertising firms 🤣!?
@dyslexictreki7087 Жыл бұрын
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 that's part of the reason why I chose the name I did for my channel. Hopefully, some parent with a newly diagnosed child, or a child with dyslexia will see what I do and reconsider their child's potential.
@pedrogabrielduarte4544 Жыл бұрын
Do the messed up Origins of el dorado
@racookster Жыл бұрын
I've never seen Pocahontas for the same reason I've never seen Don Bluth's Anastasia: I already knew the actual histories of those girls when the films came out, so no matter how beautifully made they were, they just would have left me angry and depressed.
@thenonexistinghero Жыл бұрын
Well, I do recommend watching them. They are beautiful movies with gorgeous animation, good stories and good characters.
@dtschuor459 Жыл бұрын
Same
@dtschuor459 Жыл бұрын
@@thenonexistinghero I can skip those and just watch the marvelous films from Studio Ghibli…they have all of that AND beautiful messages without whitewashing dark historical realities
@thescreamingelfwillcry409 Жыл бұрын
Anastasia is different when that movie was made people genuinely believed she survived only till recently we found out she unfortunately did noy
@thenonexistinghero Жыл бұрын
@@dtschuor459 They didn't whitewash anything. They just took some elements here & there from history and crafted wonderful stories out of them. The goal was to make beautiful animated movies and stories that anyone could watch and enjoy. Not like the modern day where the goal is to brainwash and indoctrinate everyone with woke ideals.
@jessicajones1995 Жыл бұрын
I nearly choked I took a sip of my soda at the exact time he said John smith was ugly 😂
@jormungandrtheworldserpent8382 Жыл бұрын
this movie always gives me such conflicting feelings on the one hand it gave native americans an icon to help bridge the cultural gap on the other it completely glossed over the real tragic history and its also baffling that somebody pitched this idea and somehow got it made
@tiahnarodriguez3809 11 ай бұрын
It’s not baffling at all. At the time the movie was made, Disney was having its renaissance era, and pc culture hardly existed.
@RinsFallenAngel08 Жыл бұрын
Thomas was a real person as well. His name was Thomas Savage. He was the bridge between Smith and the natives.
@isaiahadams1208 Жыл бұрын
Do a revisit to the messed up origins of either Tarzan or The Jungle Book, I enjoyed those episodes when u first talked about them.
@katherinerachaelinwonderla3744 Жыл бұрын
Good thing you did this on Indigenous Heritage Month and you know the truth about her ❤
@KD_OIFMedicM6 Жыл бұрын
John is keeping it covered too
@Pradapussy Жыл бұрын
@@KD_OIFMedicM6 what is he covering
@shawnhall3849 Жыл бұрын
@@Pradapussy it’s very watered down
@s.g5168 Жыл бұрын
"Pocahontas encounters John Smith in the wilderness he was about to blast her in the face with his gun until he realized that she's kinda hot." 7:54 love how much shade was thrown in this one 😂
@Thomas_H._Smith Жыл бұрын
So is Pocahontas gonna be the next big thing for a while? Because the Honest Trailer and Messed Up Origins, were released on the same day.
@sarahprince2412 Жыл бұрын
You watch Honest Trailer? I love that series. I just watched it too before this episode. It makes sense though to see them both come out today since Thanksgiving is in 2 days. They needed Thanksgiving content. Just like how they had stuff come out during Halloween last month. There’s not really much in terms of Thanksgiving content. It really is stuck between the 2 big dog holidays and gets forgotten or pushed to the side. The story of Pocahontas and the Pilgrims really is pretty much it in terms of content that is very well known to everyone. So I don’t think Pocahontas is really the next big thing. Just Thanksgiving content for us. Hence why we are getting this content from different channels.
@Thomas_H._Smith Жыл бұрын
@@sarahprince2412 Fair enough, I guess I forgot about the fact that it's American Thanksgiving soon since I'm Canadian.
@Gentlemenpickleesq. Жыл бұрын
Technically not a lie the key word is "inspired". Make no mistake it frustrates me too because EVERY MOVIE that says "inspired by true events" DOES THIS...! They know what they are doing and know most people will automatically think "we'll it's true" not it's "BASED ON" real events........
@priyasall Жыл бұрын
Hey Jon! Could you make an episode about the song "Hush little baby?" It would be nice to hear the messed up origins of that song.
@prettynerd1985 Жыл бұрын
I think he already did
@priyasall Жыл бұрын
@@prettynerd1985 Really? The only one I found was the one about Rock a-buy baby.
@prettynerd1985 Жыл бұрын
@@priyasall oh yeah. Sorry. In that episode he found a version called hush-a-by-baby and I think I confused the two, sorry
@priyasall Жыл бұрын
@@prettynerd1985 No problem, we all make mistakes.
@CleoHarperReturns Жыл бұрын
This, right here. This is why we love you, Jon!
@sakilynn 2 ай бұрын
I these old Disney books, and one of them touched on what points on history inspired some of their works, Pocahontas included. Learning her life was a bit of a brain-flipper, but ultimately helped the sequel make so much sense. Boy was I a silly kid for yelling at my TV when I saw her kissing John Rolf at the end.
@Thornfinna876 Жыл бұрын
Could you please do a mess up orgins on Frankenstein please
@constipatedinsincity4424 Жыл бұрын
I was going to take you and the Wife to meet Wayne Newton who is descendant of Pocahontas son .When the movie was 1st released they were trying to get her body returned back here to the States and have her lain to rest with her people. See when You 2 were going to meet him here in Las Vegas. He had some very rare items that may have belonged to her and her father. That would have been a perfect time to give you 2 kids your wedding present. It was from the heart that I wanted to gift you. Did you ever get pictures of London Bridge while you were in Az?
@ModHaterHD2003 Жыл бұрын
2 Am in the morning perfect Time for one of your Videos I can just agree
@ActiveAdvocate1 Жыл бұрын
We've lost touch, but I knew a residential "school" Survivor who absolutely hates this movie. He said something in a tweet once to the effect of, "No, I don't hear he wolf cry to the blue corn moon." So I don't know about other Indigenous people, but I'm going to go with "That's a very authoritative 'nope', coming from a Survivor of the system."
@FaerieAmira Жыл бұрын
This is why I didn't like Pocahontas not even as a kid, it felt off as a kid and then when I learned the real story I just hated it even more, only good thing about it was colors of the wind 😂
@angell48 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t like it either and especially after I found out the real story behind it
@zacharisincennes8026 Жыл бұрын
As far as I'm concrened, I don't consider Pocahontas and John Smith a Disney couple. I consider Pocahontas and John Rolfe a Disney couple, because that's who she ultimately ends up with romantically according to the sequel.
@solid6841 Жыл бұрын
One of the most underrated KZfaqrs, love the work and content you put out
@antilikka Жыл бұрын
He has 1,3mil followers, seem pretty “rated” to me
@Chillz_566 Жыл бұрын
One of the best vids on your channel and KZfaq g
@stephanieperri5012 Жыл бұрын
I really liked hearing the comparison between the movie & what actually happened. I love ur videos & not a single 1 of them has disappointed me. As always...lookin 4ward 2 ur next 1. 🐈⬛🖤💋
@kidoliva 6 ай бұрын
I had the oppurtuniy to meet the person who model for the animation at a pow wow. She was really chill and loved to talk history.
@sarar4270 Жыл бұрын
i actually gasped seeing John Smith's picture
@leah.t.m9420 Жыл бұрын
love that you did this❤️thank you
@ShyniquaStalling Жыл бұрын
So I'm 1:54 seconds in when you talk about sacrificing the Like and Subscribe buttons and it hits me that you have the perfect voice, pitch and snark for running a Call of Cthulhu RPG session. The thought crossed my mind of you telling people to "roll sanity" with our usual snarky flair and I admit it made me giggle a bit. Random thought of the day.
@lucyst8 Жыл бұрын
I was a kid when this movie came out and my Mother wouldn't let me watch it on principal... One I only came to understand properly as an adult. The only other film she wouldn't take us to see was Anastasia, for similar reasons.
@Flores-ne1ex Жыл бұрын
Love your Content 🤙
@lil.tempo161 Жыл бұрын
Keep the work up buddy
@niquebeautiful9536 Жыл бұрын
I would like for Jon to do a Part 2 because I’m curious to know more about her life in England
@raumaanking Жыл бұрын
Add least Pocahontas has a happy ending in the film a bit I guess compared to reality R.I.P Pocahontas
@comedianshakeemgreene Жыл бұрын
i love the podcast man
@followme6482 11 ай бұрын
I've read that Kocoum was her husband whom she married at the age of 15 and had a daughter Ka-Okee with him. When Argall with the help of chief Japazaw kidnapped her, her husband was killed and the daughter was brought up by another tribe from the Powhatan confederacy. At least this is what the Mattaponi tribe tells through their oral history - I believe there are more ppl out there to correct me. Look at this whole buzz with the movie from a different perspective - people all over the world (I'm not from US for instance and English is my third language) began to investigate the topic to figure out what really happened and got fascinated with the Native Americans' history. This is a huge help in raising interest in indigenous heritage.
@brielogan8315 Жыл бұрын
Haven't watched your videos in ages needed a break loll Has anyone else noticed the message on some Disney movies on the app before the movie plays?
@brandonhuff336 Жыл бұрын
This is my last video to watch before I go to boot camp! Wish me luck!!
@SonicfanTheNightfury5099 10 күн бұрын
Let's just say, History is Effed up when you look into it more
@hospitalgal101 Жыл бұрын
The whole Thomas/Kocoum scene really shows Disney's Pocahontas is literally just Romeo and Juliet and they just "borrowed" characters from history.
@mrowley7300 Жыл бұрын
The voice of Radcliffe though seriously, also been a while since I've seen this channel congrats on the 1 million subs
@edsteward7717 Жыл бұрын
Good to see you looking, and sounding, healthy.
@iuliac3087 Жыл бұрын
I missed this series ❤️
@Acrodents Жыл бұрын
This was one of my favorite movies as a child I thought Pocahontas was so fierce and beautiful now that I'm older it's like.. damn heartbreaking. It will always be a favorite tho
@BelenPeralta1 Жыл бұрын
Might want to find a different favorite movie
@tiahnarodriguez3809 11 ай бұрын
@@BelenPeralta1 Op can still like the movie while having respect for the actual events. Ya’ll act like everything exists in the binary, when multiple options can be true at once.
@forrestdupre87 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully this is one movie that won’t get a Live action remake
@shanelocsin9906 Жыл бұрын
Yes they won't. Even Alan Menken said that this one won't get a live-action remake because it would offend a lot of people. They even have a song that is controversial.
@moonlightsweetener4309 Жыл бұрын
when doing a project regarding my family tree for a class a few years ago i actually found out im a descendant of pochontas and john rolfe. Im related to thomas rolfe ( i think he is a great grandparent) with john rolfe being a direct great grandparent and pochontas being a great- grandma in law
@m.j.vazquez4720 Жыл бұрын
5:11 actually from what i understand modern historians would say john smiths stories while probs a bit aggerated to be sure were more accurate than previously thought he actually did live an exciting life ( also im pretty sure that pic is from later in his life )
@quincy9908 Жыл бұрын
:30 Actually you're using the word ignorance perfectly. The evidence, history & facts are directly presented to them. In which in return they then promptly *ignore* the events for how it is. Making their actions *ignor*ant in the process.
@jonathanaucapina153 Жыл бұрын
Talk about the wheel origin story hellhounds
@schneeleopard6813 Жыл бұрын
A much better comparison, then the first video. Really great! Though even back then I found it wiered you never mentioned the second Pocahontas movie. While second installments of Disney movies are usually much worse, this is when Pocahontas acutally goes to London. I'd love to have a detailed comprision at that too!
@JonSolo Жыл бұрын
this is just the start of our Pocahontas mini-series, so keep an eye out :)
@iamcoolalot Жыл бұрын
such an underrated movie.
@yup_pea Жыл бұрын
Awesome video 👌
@hellopumpkin86 Жыл бұрын
I mean, according to Disney, Pocahontas learned English in five seconds with the help of a few colorful leaves. It was extremely inaccurate! I still love “The Colors of the Wind” song. It’s still in my Top 10 Disney song list.
@antilikka Жыл бұрын
I’m about as surprised by Disney taking “leaps” from the original material, as I am when they released the Black Mermaid Trailer and tried to claim you were racist for noticing.
@mistiroberts1576 8 ай бұрын
According to the Family Search App Pocohantis is my 12th great grandma from her first husband
@davillain9974 Жыл бұрын
Now I'm curious if Disney will eventually do a Remake of Pocahontas? If a Remake is in the works, I'll be surprised if they'll even changed the original story as much accuracy as they can. Is Disney really doing a Pocahontas live Remake?
@josephrowe849 5 ай бұрын
I didn't know John Smith IRL looked like Yukon Cornelius from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer by Rankin-Bass.
@pierrebuieii3908 Жыл бұрын
I heard things but never this have you did brother bear I love to see it
@nigellanjuat3294 Жыл бұрын
True story Jon solo 😮💯
@AphroditeLee Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@jayceesmith9212 Жыл бұрын
The ended 😭😭😭 jon me toooo
@stohellborn Жыл бұрын
want to see the second movie covered :)
@jeffreygao3956 2 ай бұрын
I think the film does plenty well and plenty sloppy. It's fine but not the best and underwhelming but hardly the worst. Also, a vast improvement over the earlier version!
@JV-bc8um Жыл бұрын
I love Pocahontas. It got me into researching Native Americans and the history behind different tribes. Not to mention Colors of the wind is a good song.
@ThePowhatanNation Жыл бұрын
Ding ding ding round two! I love that you got the first one correctly. Im so curious to know what else you are going to add. The Powhatan Confederacy has been Reestablished as The Powhatan Nation I am principal Chief, Chief Uduladi, I was voted in 2020. i am proud to be her grandson. I also have her father my great grandfather 13th and 14th great grandfather Chief Wahunsenucawh aka Chief Powhatan to thank atleast in part for my success and ultimate Chiefdom. By the way (Muh-Toe-uh-ca) and she was married to Kokuum they had a daughter KaOkee.
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