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Apparently they're about to debut a girl band soon. Can't wait to hear something happening at SM next year.

@@thebstar1366I highly doubt that, where did you hear that from?

@@thebstar1366 what? They're planning on debuting two nct subunits and a Boy group, they technically just debuted aespa too, where did you get this information from??

@@Laura-nw1bj On an investor call or something it said that they were planning to debut a girl band (like AoA Black I guess). And a few weeks later there was a bunch of pictures of trainee silhouette on top of hands of trainees doing hearts and people speculated it was the members of the rumoured group i'd link the article but every time I try my reply seems to get deleted (it's the 4th time I type this)

@@thebstar1366 I see, thanks for responding, don't worry about the link I'll see if I can find something else myself

@@Cakes01 yup it gets even weirder when you remember that Yeri was still a minor singing things such as I scream You scream I need that ice cream in my mouth 😐😐😐 also let's take a wild guess who was the creative director of red velvet in ice cream cake era

@@gwgwap I just went a listened to it again and oh no 😭😭😭😭 it’s so bad like she was barley 15 when she joined and as a kid I was listening to that stuff it makes me think of New jeans cookie

For red velvet ice cream cake the problem was not the song but the fact than their maknae was 16 at the time and should nt sing a song with a sexual meaning

@@hannahv7008 this. Same thing with Cookie and NewJeans. I can't listen to it. The statement that the company released to try and debunk the innuendos in the lyrics just made it worse to me. While there are valid concerns about minors in the entertainment industry as a whole, and certain things are magnified in K-pop, both Cookie, and Ice Cream Cake, wouldn't necessarily be problematic if they were performed by adults who were comfortable and happy with the concept and content. Stellar is an example of a group who were tricked by their company into a concept they were not okay with. They even successfully argued against a particularly revealing outfit that they wouldn't be able to dance in without exposing themselves, only for the company to release a photograph of the members wearing it anyway. There are so many people in and around the entertainment industry who are shady, dodgy, or even outright dangerous, and the companies should be protecting the idols as much as possible, and this is even more important when the idols aren't even adults.

the reason they used a sexy song like ice cream cake is, iirc, because it was supposed to be an f(x) song but they gave it to red velvet. that makes a lot of sense since f(x) were grown and would have no problem with a sexy song like ice cream and it definitely has the sound of an old school f(x) song.

I seriously think the problem was that she doesn't stand out in any category so her being added felt unnecessary

@@karinasnooodles_ the thing is though, and i hate to say it because i don't mean to discredit her hard work and undeniable talent, but just on principle compared to the other members you could say the same thing about joy tbh, yet the treatment is different

@@erotiszm That held true for Joy early on, but she certainly stands out now. She has such a bright, clear, strong (in it's own way) unique voice. She's worked to become a really good singer. Not even remotely saying Yeri is a bad singer. Yeri also has a unique voice, but it's much softer. It doesn't stand out as much. BUT. (my but is going to be my reply to nooodles)

@@karinasnooodles_ Standing out shouldn't matter. A group SHOULD have at least one member who doesn't stand out in any category (though Yeri has worked very hard at improving in rap, she gets better every album). What Yeri brought to the group was BALANCE. Yeri helps blend the strong, unique, distinct, very noticeably separate voices of the others. Now, RV was not in CJSH The Grace territory of "This is not a group singing together, this is four soloists singing over each other". BUT. That is a thing that exists in SM history. And you'll notice it never happens again. Every group since has at least one member to soften the lines between the main and lead vocalists. SNSD has Yuri and Yoona. Shinee has Minho, I don't know Exo well enough to tell you who theirs is, F(x) had Sulli and to a degree Amber. Don't know anything NCT, not super familiar with Aespa, can't comment there. And RV has Yeri.

@@karinasnooodles_ Not true. Yeri has a standout title, taking over as maknae. That's more important than you realize. Being in a small group and being second place in all categories is the curse that killed Sulli, a large factor of the fan hate. If her and Krystal's birthdates had been swapped, if she could have been the actual maknae (and therefore indulged in some wildness), she might still be alive.

well actually, in their early years there were many articles/interviews about the long list of things they couldn't do because "it was in the contract", like drinking, plastic surgery, etc. even as far as not being able to drive and having to ask permission to buy a car, even though they wouldn't even drive it. this probably was said to push the idea of a "better" group that was so carefully managed so they could do no "wrong". separating them further from any scandal.

I think the video said FAKE clause

It's not a real clause, like the vid said it's just a rumored clause started by yg bc he was so determined to make a group that wouldn't have the same 'mistakes' of 2NE1

i won't flat out say i think this claim is fake because we don't truly know, but i find it very hard to believe any k-pop company would ban plastic surgery. in my opinion, it seems like YG only got blackpink to say these things to the public as part of PR. they wanted blackpink to help reform the company's image and also to separate them from 2ne1's "failures", i always viewed it as a cruel way the company was trying to make it obvious to the public that they'd never be like park bom when it came to plastic surgery.

It's clearly fake, let's not kid ourselves about the plastic surgery topic

He has to be thankful to BIGBANG and 2NE1. No other group could have made the company as big as it is now. Even with BP big international success it shows YG doesn't have any management talents, he just so happened to be home of 3 big af groups, but throws them under the bus at the smallest sign of a scandal.

@@cc20016 yup I feel the same. its actually almost shocking how poor their management is with how popular of a group black pink is. yg is an example of artist talent and fandom power really being the only thing sustaining a group.

Because people hate women. Even after everything involving 2NE1, YGE waited for him to be free of charges from the Burning Sun Scandal because they specifically wanted him to manage their new girl group.

Did you not know that YG destroyed his wife career? He should have been in prison.

wait, correct me if I'm wrong here. But I've read somewhere that Soyeon revealed how Latata was initially turned down by the company, but the members expressed how they loved the song. I believe it was in the context along the lines of how precious the members are for soyeon. Thus, it was pretty much soyeon (and prob the members) who pushed the whole trajectory for their debut concept.

@@nothing4120 You're basically exactly right. Cube was broke from a CLC comeback and a Pentagon comeback when (G)I-DLE debuted, and couldn't do predebut promotions for the (g)irls apart from a barebones photoshoot with trash cans, an old couch, and a green tarp duct-taped to a wall. They sold literally 260 copies of I AM in the first 24 hours, and it was only after they started getting music show wins that Cube paid any attention to them at all. I feel like they're one of the rare cases of the glass cliff situation actually panning out, since they debuted during a lot of the rumors preceding HyunA and Dawn's termination; the proximity of those events just isn't talked about much because they're one of the few groups that made it big after being put in that situation as opposed to fading into obscurity after the company deems that they've served their purpose. Also yes I'm salty about Cube doing that with LIGHTSUM and I'm determined to help get those girls out of nugudom. Hopefully Cube lands on a creative vision for them soon, I'd hate to see another group from Cube with good music fade away because of that shitty company not knowing how to operate (CLC deserved so much better).

I actually heard Soyeon made LATATA because Minnie wanted to leave as CUBE kept delaying their debut (which is also Miyeon's reason she's stated to have left YG and BLACKPINK's line--up). But CUBE probably did finally cave into Soyeon and the group's general unhappiness with their lack of debut because of the near-bankruptcy. I mean, it does seem like a big enough reason to allow a girl group to start self-producing...

can you imagine the pressure on soyeon at that age

NAH CAUSE FR

@@Lovemalotm Some people even called them prostitutes 🫠

@@penguin_0172 what the fuck...

How in the fuck did they get hate for this 💀 like what-

That's why they need to leave that shitty ass company.

As detailed in the video, the same thing happened to f(x) - except MeUs weren't lucky enough to get their group back (bar a single comeback years later). We've still never had an explanation about what happened to our group, and SM never officially announces the disbandment of a group so we don't even get closure

@@miss_jess I remember, and I knew it was a matter of time before they did the same to Red Velvet. Look at Exo too. Aespa will have the same done to them, after 7 years, if they’re lucky, as will NCT.

@@JL-jg8tr my point was, the same thing has not been done to Red Velvet. They are still thriving

I don't think it will happen to NCT either, SM seems to look after their male groups

I'm pretty sure they HAVE taken into acc their popularity now considering they're still pretty active with new releases, songs & activities. When SM doesn't care about their artists anymore, they wouldn't give them any chance to do practically anything. Look at f(x) prior their disbandment. Or Henry as well. RV doesn't get that kind of treatment(yet).

fr! it's actually infuriating to watch 🤬

I mean winner have been around longer…. And u guys eat up anything bp gives u obviously the less songs thing is working

@@brennathecatlover4360 who is you💀

​@nooodles🍗 you could say treasure has more comebacks than BP

Facts. And what happened last week?

@@cynacist1823 A lot of their idols left yg and transferred to the black label and there was a rumor that BP did as well, but it was debunked and not soon after that, YG released the promotional teaser for baby monster

@@neb.9489 Aahh, thank you. They said the same thing about 2NE1 then they found out through gossip blogs that yg had disbanded them. I think something similar will happen with baby monster once they can milk profit from one of their boy groups.

you're wrong, baby monster have trained for years, their debut have been delayed many times, thank god they're going to debut this year

@@neb.9489 black label is stil the associate company of yg, it's building (old yg building) is literally next to yg new building

it's actually just a bad coincidence, stop being stupid

Then debut using crowd funding or their own money.

their music did sound like a direct knockoff of 2ne1 in the beginning and jennie and lisa were copying CL

I think there was a 9/11 reference and a newspaper with Hiroshima on it in the original Happiness MV that later got edited out but made a lot of headlines? People weren’t too happy about that.

@@ruiqi22 oh yeah there was that too. people especially japanese kpop stans were livid but it was not towards the girls in any way that part, surprisingly. seeing as the usual kpop stan uses what a company does to hate on idols instead. but the song itself wasn’t received that badly as the way people claimed.

I was at kcon LA when their debut was announced. The MC mentioned red velvet and I heard multiple “who??”s in the crowd. I remember it was a lukewarm reception, but Wendy’s vocals helped during live performances. Ice cream cake was ROUGH.

f(x) got me into kpop and remains an ult bias, but I'm also a choir nerd; I appreciate good performance. I _liked_ Red Velvet from the get-go, and reserved my anger for the company at their transparent maneuvers. Angry as I was at Jessica being ousted, I can still appreciate SNSD OT8. It's not as magical as OT9, but its still pretty good. Oh!GG on the other hand is too threadbare. F(x)'s suppression after renewing and getting a measly four-performance concert series. SM didn't know what to do with them, but made damn sure nobody else could do anything with them either! So, I resolved to keep following the SM groups I like, but not any new ones. I never watched a single aespa MV, but the GOT The Beat unit is undercutting my resolution. It's complicated.

Majority of those who were screaming "bad debut" and critisizing it where k-netz taht had a problem with SM debuting a group in the mids of "scandals" not their fandom.

yeah there was also the art plagiarism .. they rlly set them up

they’re still getting hate for that 😭 it’s crazy

I remember they even were accused of ripping off (G)I-DLE's Lion concept with the concept photos where they wear crowns. Not to mention it was SO risky debuting a group right when the pandemic peaked. Aespa's debut could have been delayed to 2021 or even starting 2022 and it would have been so much better for the girls' careers.

@@cc20016 it's hilarious because that the black mamba teaser pic resemble more to Snsd the boys concept teaser than gidle's

Makes sense considering the Born Pink album feels so rushed. There was only six brand new songs with RFL which was an old leaked song and a bunch of other songs that sounded like The Album rejects

@@neb.9489 Not to mention how the members expressed annoyance in needing to learn the choreography at the last second. I wouldn’t be surprised if YGE pushed off Born Pink for this specific instance.

@@Nameless_mixesThat would also explain their difficulties at the beginning of the tour and how off sync they were. They probably did not have enough rehearsal time before hand bc YG wanted enough money from them. They know that blackpink has a big fanbase and will put in a lot of money bc blinks are eager for more music/content and putting out a quick album and sending on tour was the best way to do it. Also, I noticed that they finally officially announce the debut of their new gg during blackpink’s 7th year. The year people are waiting hear if they will resign or not, so it’s like yg themselves don’t know if they’ll resign, but there’s no worry for them bc they’ll have this new gg to take their place. That’s what they did for 2NE1. Blackpink debuted months before 2NE1 disbanded.

*kill this love

@pruit v3 Seems like we have a company stan here 😂 YG? Did nothing wrong? You must be new here

Gp/bp is produce 101 under a different name and slightly different concept so that’s why it started with kep1er since season 5 of pd 101 would be a gg

woah thats y theres a lot of gurls in rv happiness.

You have an impressive amount of inside information; are you one of those North Korean spies sent to infiltrate K-pop?

It could have been interesting that rv concept

That's just a theory that people came up with after seeing all the SM Rookies in the Happiness MV, it has no substantial evidence behind it other than Yeri being one of them. SM probably only showed them to give them some pre-debut exposure, they did that a lot back then (Taeyong got a feature on Be Natural before his debut, for example, and some female trainees appeared on the Korean version of Mickey Mouse's Clubhouse). As for why they added Yeri, it could be the fact that SM thought RV could gain more attention if they had a more youthful vibe. Joy was already 17 or 18, and cuteness and youthfulness is very valued in South Korea, especially in 2015 when the cute concept was still popular, so by adding Yeri, who was 16 at the time, RV gained more charm. It could also be that Yeri was supposed to be in RV from the start, but since the debut was so rushed, she wasn't ready yet, or maybe SM decided not to debut girls under 16 anymore.

I think the bg examples are because they just aren't popular enough and the company may have overestimated fanpower like they always do with bgs since bgs are always known to have hardcore female fans.

Are they having a tour in their own name or are they part of a kpop festival setlist?

@@ying_xuan_natalietan3606 I absolutely agree. I don't think these companies or promoters are doing enough research on their overseas markets before announcing a tour, and they usually announce their tours roughly a month ahead, which makes no sense. They're also trying to sell out larger venues that are more appropriate for the veteran/more popular groups. That expectation of instant success is harming these groups in the long run and it's not fair to them or their fans.

@@morphogenetic_ Their own tour. I'd rather they start with small venues and work up from there as groups normally do, but somehow C9 thought booking them a larger venue was appropriate, didn't promote their tour, and then they wondered why tickets weren't selling. 🙄

@@escritora84 i have a theory that these companies estimate their bgs fanbase by album sales and were misguided by it. I think that some of these smaller bgs may be able to sell over 100k albums but it is their individual fans buying multiple copies of the same album since they are much hardcore. In actual fact the fanbase is incredibly small but gives off the impression that there are a decent amount of fans to host a tour lol. In fact, i don't think kpop companies these days expect instant success with their bgs unlike their ggs as seen by how many nugu ggs disband if their first comeback flops.

Not to mention how YG pretty much confirmed a chunk of their early songs were made for 2NE1; it was almost like that moron thought he was really doing something by selling them as “pretty 2NE1” all over media outlets….

U cannot consider urself a reveluv if u did not know about yeris own show and her drama. Like that was one of the high points of 2020 in reveluvland, just saying

SM's obsession with trying to recreate Blackpink and BTS in their weird ass ways is so annoying to me. I genuinely think that groups like NCT and their side projects like SuperM (the AvaNgErS oF KpOp) would be a lot more successful if they focused more on the groups individually instead of being so stuck on releasing the next big thing. It looks to me like the moment one of those big3 companies stop having the biggest group they just drop the ball, specially SM and JYPE

@NachArdi I only became one this year. That's why I didn't know

when i was researching i was sure that the jessica scandal was another factor, but actually jessica left in september and red velvet debuted in august, so i couldn't use that as evidence. however, i actually do think there could have been internal issues happening with girls generation before the announcement of jessica's departure during august, and that could've played a part in red velvet's rushed debut, but - this is all my speculation so i left it out of the video as there is no evidence of what happened behind closed doors.

Yeah the reason I was always told was that she joined later because she was too young and therefore due to labour laws in Korea, the group would have to promote at earlier times in the evening (before 8pm or 9pm seems to ring a bell) so SM waited until she was old enough.

@FandomQueen that doesn't make sense because Yeri was 16 when she debuted and Taemin debuted in 2008 at 14 years old. There have been plenty of 14-16 year olds debut with no restrictions that affect regular promotions

@@miss_jess idk I j guessed that maybe sm changed their Stance on debuting minors esp considering aespa debuted as all adults

@@miss_jess Yes I was thinking the same thing. BoA was 13 when she debuted so what happened with labor laws between then and now for Yeri to be considered too young? But then again, this is SM we're talkin' about, the leader in bringing about new laws because of how they screw over their artists.

I get nwjns but how is le sserafim an example of this?

@@abc-dv7fs I think bc Le Sserafim had a rough scandal with Garam's alleged bullying, and then before that Source/HYBE had been dealing with GFriend fans who were mad over their sudden forced disbandment and how they were trying to prevent them from keeping the GFriend name to continue promotions. They pushed Le Sserafim to get over the GFriend uproar and then used Garam to get the public talking before kicking her out and blame her for any lack of performance in their debut

@@abc-dv7fs gfriend was disbanded literally right before they debuted lesserafim which happens to have two famous members from izone…..yeah looks like a glass cliff to me

@@slayygela I don't think so.

@@konichiwalol You need to double check your facts I think.

For Rv,I have never heard that they were supposed to be experimental, but yes, they are marketed as quirky and weird. I was extremely mad as it was what made f(x) stand out and unique.

Well, it's like that in most industries. What we see as consumers rarely has anything to do with what happens behind the scenes and it's fine. No company in this world views their products as anything more than that. Obviously if your products are human, you will take more care of them than you would inanimate objects but the principles remain the same. All companies research markets and choose the right time to "debut" a product. All companies scratch obsolete products and make new ones to replace them. It's just that many kpop fans are literal children, so they have no idea how the real world works and how companies make their decisions. It's unfortunate that humans are treated as products but we as humans ALSO allowed this attitude to spread so much, consumers literally do treat artists as goods on the market, so the companies won't have the incentive to treat them any better until the public changes its opinion and starts demanding a different approach. For the record, a screaming minority of fans will never be enough to change the entire industry, we need systemic change in the government as well but that's a VERY long way to go 😁

Tf you mean hybe didn´t defend garam😑 they were literally hated bc they put garam in a jp show and the hate only went down when garam was put in hiatus don´t blame hybe when the garam scandal was 90% the kpoppies fault. Not defending hybe here but like atleast have facts that are relevant to the video there is so much more wrong with hybe than this.

HYBE got hate for defending Garam... And Min Heejin's reputation suddenly became bad just after NewJeans' debut because people (much like you) are stuck on hating HYBE. Most debuts under HYBE ended up being postponed, that's why they ended up debuting 3 groups in one year.

You clearly have not written a good essay in your whole life.

oh, i'm very sorry in no way was this supposed to come across as an attack against park bom, i was only talking about it from the perspective of the korean public as it was a massive scandal, in no way does this mean she was guilty when it was only ADHD medication - it's crazy how they made it seem like she was like.. on meth or something damn. you're right i should've clarified this but the video was already very long and i found it hard to expand on a lot of the prior scandals. thanks for mentioning this!

@@urheehoo get used to it bc korea is hella ableist along with being classist, sexist, etc :/

As someone with ADHD, I *will* say that Adderall, one of the most common ADHD meds in the US I think, is a controlled substance because it CAN get people high. Thus, I understand why it may not be legal in other countries. But I think it’s unfair to overlook that she was already on this medication which is perfectly legal in the US… and a large part of why it’s so stigmatized may in fact be due to ableism, since those who don’t understand how much ADHD can affect your abilities to concentrate would probably therefore think this kind of drug is “unnecessary” and dangerous/basically just a narcotic. :(

@@Satou_Rin For real I've only been diagnosed as an adult and I still cannot believe how much of my entire life was and still is affected by ADHD. It's not just some "quirk," it literally alters the way you function, the way you go about your life and it makes you feel like a huge failure for not being able to "do normal" just like everyone else. And people brushing off ADHD like "it's not a big deal" or "you don't need medication" just boils my blood. True, some people might be able to live a productive life without medication, but criminalizing those who do not???? That's some ableist BS

I noticed this too! We’re at BP’s seventh year which is a year of uncertainty for a lot of groups and people are curious about their future. Just like during 2NE1, YG now has another group to cover with if anything happens. I personally think that nothing is going to happen, but YG wants to be safe ig

Specially because I don't think BP is going to resign... They need to have a girl group ready

with how YG himself is and his past creepy actions. your more then right; he sees women as mere objects and its disgusting

I remember this one Kpop short talking about Pink Venom and I told someone that I think they should disband because their future was literally shoved down the drain by the very people who made them. Their response? "Oh, you're just pretending to care!". No. I'm making a logical response. You guys get the bare minimum and overcompensate on the high of daesangs which makes not just BP but Blinks a victim of YG Ent. You only keep going for the glamour and not the actual artists themselves. They hang the golden apple so high that you guys jump to bite it or wait for it to nearly rot & fall and then be grateful that they "fed" you. They're using your parasocial overzealousness against you. (Also there was this whole thing with TwoSet Violin that made me lose any remaining neutrality with Blinks. Honestly, please wake up.)

The last part for sure. These women are holding the entire industry on their backs and the men are big mad. That's why YG debuted TREASURE, then their stock literally dropped by 30%. Then they announced a BP comeback and it went back up 33%, I think. Point is, they need BLACKPINK, BLACKPINK doesn't need them and they're furious. I think YG is trying to "waste" their career so that they can get back to their beloved Boy Groups - despite the fact that the boys seem to respect, adore and appreciate BLACKPINK for saving their asses and taking the hit for them with the Burning Sun incident. I expected the people online to hate on BP, because the world is sexist, but I was STUNNED that I saw literally NO ONE calling for an investigation into YG boy groups. Nope. They just all blamed BP for daring to be powerful women. Nkt.

@@penguin_0172 What "crazy high horse"???? I was literally agreeing with you. 💀 And I don't recall any instances of TwoSet Violin's fans being the way they were. Everyone was literally trying to tell Blinks that the song was a parody from a parody of a classical musician. And much of the fanbase I saw said they had 0 idea who Blackpink was, so I don't understand how you're making them out to be anything you're saying, if anything I would expect it from Blinks to jump to the levels of what you're describing TwoSet's fanbase to be. Nobody has a stinkier reputation in the Kpop fandoms than Blinks. If anything, your response about what TwoSet's stuff is just showing me instantaneously that you may as well have been one of them whether or not you participated in their harassment campaign. I think's pretty ironic you say they were racist because TwoSet are Asian themselves. A racist attack on BP is a racist attack on TSV, no matter who it's targeted against. They're not real fans of TSV. And also, they really didn't make it "worse". They responded with a lack of response/comedy like they usually do. If it got Blinks more offended that's on them. And don't tell me to get off my high horse when the entire fandom only talks about BP's awards. It seems like only Blinks are the one on their high horse because it's always about "SOTY" this and that. Not even western artists have fans telling non-fans about their award history. Most people listen for music, not the artist's reputation, y'know? Don't call me an obsessed non-Blink with BP person. No, I just vehemently hate Blinks. I don't really have anything against BP and my criticism has nothing to do with hating BP, it's when this entire fanbase acts like there's nothing wrong with the group.

@@penguin_0172 I'm not calling you a psycho, I'm saying your attitude and opinion of TSV's fans are no better than the mindless hive that was the mob of people coming after them. If you truly aren't one of them I'd like you to change your opinion on TSV real quick because these are the same stupid arguments that they used to send hate towards their way. And also because that was the the point of the parody?? Did you not understand that? BP's song used a classical music sample. So the composer they're parodying who made that gets mad that artists who are using their sample "sacrilegiously" in their music (akin to a boomer). So throughout the song the other composers in the band try to convince them it's not as bad as they're making it out to be. At the end Panini changes his mind and accepts it because people will learn more about classical music. Their whole entire parody is about them being parodies of classical musicians. So they uploaded it. And they've always been artists in their own right, so why not? They've been at their entire YT careers with fragments of them playing their instruments; fans of TSV have been wanting to hear them make and play their own original music for such a long time now, and they only recently started doing that. Again, the five-member parody group of the composers are manifested visually as a Kpop group (because here in INTL communities boy groups were a thing way back in the 2010's, so now they ended up looking like a Kpop group and that's what's hot now). If you actually knew the response to the hate you'd know TSV respect BP very much (and that half the fanbase has no idea why the criticisms are the way they are because the intention was clear-cut from the get-go). If the saying "Imitation is a form of flattery" then their parody is a form of admiration in TwoSet's careers. It always has been. Also, now I think about it, the whole idea started because Mr. Teddy Park didn't interpolate the classical sample in their song correctly and it's happened with many songs so it just sparked an idea.

They're making a boy group?? Yikes... And we were never really told the reasons for BVNDIT disbandment either :(

I don't really feel like this is a distraction / glass cliff, but rather them giving up on bvndit and debuting a boy group in hopes of receiving a hardcore female fanbase to earn themselves easy money. This happens a lot because companies dont know how to direct a girl group in this saturated industry and give up on them easily especially since they don't really have a target audience so its harder for them to build a fanbase. As for boy groups, they can easily achieve cult status. It just sounds like their last attempt at making success.

I think a better reason for them being a glass cliff is because Chungha is speculated to leave the company due to their mistreatment. She has been constantly begging to leave the company and talking bad about them on lives, and her recent bubble messages have been hinting at her leaving. A lot of people hate MNH for their mistreatment of Chungha, and right as she gives that hint of leaving the company 8TURN was announced.

Didn’t bvndit debut like 2021? And u know they all could’ve left willingly too since it’s not like the industry is friendly

And fx debut 2009

@@laily5292idk i don’t see fx’s debut as rushed. they had a really good debut and were good performers, so i think it was just a coincidence that fx debuted in 2009

​@bastetowl3258 Plus, fx debuted in September, wherease JYJ case happened in July, so their debut couldn't have covered up the case. You can see the difference in red velvet debut date and fx scandal date.

Just because a company has both scandal and success does not automatically qualify the situation as the phenomena under discussion here. Context and time line analysis matters 💀

@@HailToTheMeep This! A lot of people were saying that NewJeans were a cover for Garam, but that is not true. They’ve been planning the group with a different lineup since 2020, but they were delayed. I feel like Le sserafim fits more. Especially since they came right after Gfriend’s disbandment

New Jeans? what? how do they qualify?☠️

@@cupidream9702 The Garam situation

@@HailToTheMeep -Aespa: Irene and Chanyeol scandals. I remember very clearly ppl referring to their debut as a cover up due to the timing. I genuinely didn't think they'd debut under those circumstances but alas 💀 - Newjeans: Garam scandal - Baby monster: YG company restructuring it's groups and members leaving the company. Then all of a sudden a new GG that has been a rumor for YEARS is finally announced.

They could have known it. Those departure decisions don't happen in the blink of an eye. There had to be previous discussions with attorneys and everything. Those discussions could have been going on for weeks or months. So they definitely knew Jessica was up to something and they debuted RV

​@@cc20016 Yeah, it's definitely possible. And felt (channel owner) said in different comment that Jessica left in sept, and RV debuted in august, so it's not "directly" connected, but SM probably had inclings that something might happen. Apparently Jessica had been focusing more on her other company, and was missing practices and other scheduled stuff with SNSD, and _that_ probably happened before RV's debut.

So far, everything with Baby Monster has been positive. Blackpink even has been mentoring them.

Sadly this has always been true for many kpop companies if not all of them. I thought given the public knowledge of how kpop companies are structured and the many news of labour and financial abuses throughout the decades, people would be less shocked by this reality.

Omg I remember Jihyo being dragged into burning sun as well. She had nothing to do with it and people were adding her to the scandal

Omg I remember Jihyo being dragged into burning sun as well. She had nothing to do with it and people were adding her to the scandal

@@neb.9489 As well as the 'Golden Phone' one, of that male idol who filmed himself and other women without their knowledge

just feel my rhythm? ur seriously ignoring how bad boy is one of their biggest hits... then psycho. oh and dont forget "power up" got them their first PAK, in TWO days also sm's ONLY perfect all kill winner group (until aespa). (this is not an attack to u, just correcting u)

THE HAIR SHOTS!

its a game to them. and when the group doesnt achieve the success they wished for (b/c of the companies incompetence, no less), they just throw them away. Oh and don't even try to leave before ur contract ends, bc you'll be blacklisted from the industry 🤦‍♀

Same here, being a 2nd Gen stan sometimes hurt knowing Sonamoo is a clear example in being a victims of Glass Celing, especially witnessing it at that time :