The War Room XIII: Invasion of Khuzestan, 1980

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Usually Hapless

Usually Hapless

7 ай бұрын

Saddam Hussein sees the Iranian Revolution as an opportunity to seize Khuzestan province in a short, limited campaign. It doesn't go well.
Quick Bibliography:
The Iran-Iraq War: A Military and Strategic History, Murray and Woods
The Iran-Iraq War, Razoux
Arabs at War: Military Effectivenes, 1948-1991, Pollack
#militaryhistory #IranIraqWar

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@gangstercomputergod9362
@gangstercomputergod9362 7 ай бұрын
Iran-Iraq war is probably my favorite subject when it comes to military history. Glad to you covered it. Hope to see more, it'd be interesting to hear you talk about the later war and how poorly it was fought on both sides. The geopolitical mess it became is fascinating as well, and really underappreciated. No one seems to know about the war and yet it basically set the stage for a lot of modern geopolitics. And the Woods and Murray book is great. I'd also recommend "The Iran Iraq War" by Razoux for a more political perspective on the war.
@cartergeorge1545
@cartergeorge1545 7 ай бұрын
There isn't nearly enough English scholarship on the war,
@glenchen5723
@glenchen5723 7 ай бұрын
Listening to this description of the invasion of Khuzestan makes me think it a pretty good setting for a CM game. Lots of historical scenarios and a potential for hypothetical moves.
@zanaduz2018
@zanaduz2018 7 ай бұрын
It would be great if they added the Iran-Iraq War as an expansion to CM:CW, but they would probably need to flesh out several factions first (such as the BAOR).
@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev
@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev 7 ай бұрын
@@zanaduz2018 Personally, considering how Battlefront wants to make Cold War in more of a what-if game, I would like the see the Sino-Soviet border conflict (also Chinese forces would be really unique and cool to see) Though, by the time BAOR is released, everything will be in place to replicate the Iran-Iraq war (Chieftains, M60s, Scorpion, T-72, and even the terrain, thanks to the NTC tileset). As such it would be really easy for a mod to edit some textures, after which there could basically just be a Iran-Iraq war mod.
@zanaduz2018
@zanaduz2018 7 ай бұрын
Khuzestan is the flat and (relatively speaking) wet lowlands of Iran; the majority of land inside its borders are dominated by high, arid mountains (the Zagros range) or the high steppes. Khuzestan province is that way as result of the Euphrates River delta. As far as hypothetical/historical conflict in the CM:CW timeframe that I would want to see (besides the Iran-Iraq War), both Sino-Soviet and Sino-Vietnamese conflicts would be interesting to see, though we would need a jungle tileset for the Sino-Vietnamese theatre…
@BrorealeK
@BrorealeK 7 ай бұрын
There's actually a campaign for Graviteam Tactics: Mius Front set in Khuzestan during the Iran Iraq war.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
It's somewhat doable- a lot of the equipment is there (Iranians as US, Iraqis as Soviets), and as has been mentioned when BAOR enter the game (they're next on the list) there will be a lot more toys to play with. The tricky part is finding ways to make it interesting and historical at the same time.
@sproge2142
@sproge2142 7 ай бұрын
Amazing as always Hapless, please cover the rest of the war as well, it sounds really interesting to learn about the reality of warfare Saddam found himself facing!
@nbr1rckr
@nbr1rckr 7 ай бұрын
Love it, dude. You know I love when a War Room drops. Definitely an unexpected topic but one that deserves to be covered especially in the way this programme does it.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Thanks very much!
@Vatniks_are_clowns
@Vatniks_are_clowns 7 ай бұрын
Wow I was just wondering if CM had a scenario with this war. The Iran Iraq war is fascinating but sadly doesn't get much attention. Thank you! This war was what really got me into geopolitics due to how many countries had their hands in the supply of arms and equipment.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much man! You're right, it's such an interesting war on so many levels and continues to be relevant. For instance, if you want to understand Iran's regional strategy all you have to do is think about how it took them 8 years to grind the Iraqis to a bloody stalemate... but it took the US (and coalition) a fortnight to crush them in Desert Storm. Hence, proxies!
@TraitorsGambit
@TraitorsGambit 7 ай бұрын
@@usuallyhapless9481The equipment of the Iraqis with chemical weapons and US ISR and the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by it might have had something to do with it... Iraq alligned itself with the US specifically because he feared an Iranian revolution occuring in Iraq. I'm surprised that this was ommitted in your video as its well established
@lukasstrickling9257
@lukasstrickling9257 7 ай бұрын
Graviteam does the war... maybe worth checking out
@burningphoneix
@burningphoneix 7 ай бұрын
I'm glad more people are looking into Arab/Mid East conflicts more but unfortunately, they have more myths than WW2 at this point due to poor access to primary sources. The whole "Iraq dusted off British exercise plans and used that for the invasion" was simply incorrect assumption by the New York Times on October 16th 1980 article "British, in 1950, Helped Map Iraqi Invasion of Iran". The actual invasion of Iran was the responsibility of Chief-of-Staff Jabbal Al Shanshal, who delegated it to Operations Chief Lt.Gen AbdulJabar Al Asadi. Asadi was a graduate of the British Staff School so that's probably where the idea that it was a British plan started. The plan was actually made years prior but it kept being revised downwards over the years due to the increasing strength of the Iranian Army. Originally, it called for a seizure of all of Western Iran, but by the time of Saddam, it had regressed to simply be about seizing Khuzestan. Also, the Iraqi Air Force strikes on Iranian bases were never intended to emulate the Israeli attacks of the Six-Day War. Brigadier Ahmad Sadik of the Airforce Intelligence Directorate stated in the an interview years later that they were well aware of the limitations their craft had in delivering payloads to targets and so settled simply on runway cratering to buy 48 hours for the Army to proceed with the invasion. Hitting parked planes was discouraged because they needed to ground the IRIAF for 48 hours for the ground phase to succeed and picking off individual IRIAF Aircraft was considered a waste of ammunition and wouldn't seriously dent IRIAF Short term operations (Oh? You took out 3 F-4 Phantoms and Two F-5s? Congrats, the entire rest of the Iranian squadron has scrambled before you touched back at base). The IRIAF managed to sortie in much shorter than 48 hours but they focused on attacking Iraqi Air bases and oil facilities and not the Iraqi army straight away. So in the end, the ground troops got their 48 hours though probably not the way the IrAF wanted (and it was a moot point because 48 hours was nowhere near enough time). Sources: The Iran-Iraq War Volume 1: The Battle for Khuzestan, September 1980-1982. E.R Hooton, Tom Cooper, Farzin Nadimi Wars of Modern Babylon: A History of the Iraqi Army from 1921 to 2003 . Col. Pesach Malovany
@chuckbuck5002
@chuckbuck5002 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video the Iran-Iraq war is not talked about enough.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
It isn't, which is strange because it's a really significant event
@realQuiGon
@realQuiGon 7 ай бұрын
Awesome video! It provides a great overview over the initial phases of a war that unfortunately isn't talked much about here in the West. Fun fact: Here in Germany the Iran-Iraq war is referred to as the 1st Gulf War (1. Golfkrieg), while the 1990 Gulf War is referred to as the 2nd Gulf War (2. Golfkrieg).
@zanaduz2018
@zanaduz2018 7 ай бұрын
Is the 2003 War on Iraq called “3. Golfkrieg” then?
@realQuiGon
@realQuiGon 7 ай бұрын
@@zanaduz2018 Yes, indeed
@iainfuller5083
@iainfuller5083 7 ай бұрын
I remember it being called 'The Gulf War' here in Britain too.
@cameronhanna367
@cameronhanna367 2 ай бұрын
I’m addicted to your war room videos
@Kelqanus8
@Kelqanus8 7 ай бұрын
Glad someone is covering the Iran-iraq war. I feel it does not get talked about enough despite the war lasting 8 years, 1 Million+ casualties on both sides, and shaped Iraq's policy to Kuwait that led to the gulf war.
@cartergeorge1545
@cartergeorge1545 7 ай бұрын
I've loved your vids for a while, but when I saw the title I jumped on Patreon before I watched this. You make AMAZING AMAZING content with especially high knowledge on armored warfare, your editing + knowledge are more than worth a subscription. But Iran is my focus academically so I appreciate your expertise here 10x. Thank you for your work, you're frankly a phenom. I consider your matter of fact attitude to the dirty business of armored warfare invaluable.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Thanks very much man! Glad I didn't cover much of the Iranian side and reveal my ignorance :P
@hohahohaya
@hohahohaya 7 ай бұрын
goood, any combat mission scenarios/campains about this period?
@erraov9976
@erraov9976 7 ай бұрын
Always wanted to learn more about the iran-iraq war thank you for this video
@TheKenigham
@TheKenigham 7 ай бұрын
This series has no parallel on youtube!
@claudej8338
@claudej8338 7 ай бұрын
I really like your War Room series, keep them coming. You did lay out the context intelligibly enough for even me to understand, kudos for that! Timestamps would be nice to have as you go beyond the 10-minute time span. IMHO. Were you using Helion published series as a source by the way?
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Thanks very much! I always forget timestamps. I did not use any of the Helion published stuff- I probably should do!
@robertkalinic335
@robertkalinic335 7 ай бұрын
Glad to see this covered, few years back people started diving into ww1, now i see more attention for korean war and very early cold war. This is topic i hope more channels will dive into next cause scale of this conflict compared with how miniscule its representation in media is, it really shows how ultra narrow popular view on history is.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Yep. Iraq post 2003 makes a lot more sense when you look at it from a Iran-Iraq War perspective
@RaV591
@RaV591 7 ай бұрын
That Tu-22 tail gunner is a chad
@rosswilson3612
@rosswilson3612 7 ай бұрын
If you have never tried graviteam tactics minus front game with the Iran/Iraq war campaign dlc I would highly recommend it. If you like combat mission you will probably like graviteam too.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
I'm sure I have Graviteam around here somewhere.
@PitterPatter20
@PitterPatter20 7 ай бұрын
Hey, just a heads-up: this episode is not yet in the War Room Podcast playlist.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Fixed! Thank you. Thought I put it in, but obviously not.
@alexy590
@alexy590 7 ай бұрын
This war would make for an interesting combat mission game.
@theofficerfactory2625
@theofficerfactory2625 7 ай бұрын
Ever since I've read The Short Victorious War by David Weber; I am very dubious to anyone that launches a war that is suppose to be short and ends in victory; it is never short nor victorious.
@seanmac1793
@seanmac1793 7 ай бұрын
22:40 I suppose the word "assumption" is very literal here. It seems like nobody did any staff work
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Yes. There's also the strong possibility that the Iraqi staff work was off because it relied on reports from lower level commanders who habitually lied about everything.
@burningphoneix
@burningphoneix 7 ай бұрын
The Iraqi High Command were all very much aware that the assumptions were wildly optimistic. 7th Infantry Division commander, Brigadier Nayar Al Kharyrani, raised the issue in a meeting of the Baath Party and State Command in July of 1980 that the Iraqi Army had spent nearly a decade in counter-insurgency operations and would require two years to achieve proficiency in conventional operations again but Saddam wanted the Operation NOW and what Saddam wanted, he got.
@d.c.6065
@d.c.6065 7 ай бұрын
Can we talk about why it's got a #peloponnesianwar tag?
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Something-something copy-paste, something-something. Fixed!
@Para-Phrase
@Para-Phrase 7 ай бұрын
I sometimes debate a guy that is a staunch authoritarian absolutist and when I present examples from Saddam's era he gets angry and personal 😂
@RoundenBrown
@RoundenBrown 7 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the initial assault of 24 February 2022.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
There's some parallels there, for sure
@akboy47
@akboy47 7 ай бұрын
its actually completely different, the russian did manadge to reach their objective at the begining, unfortunelty a peace-deal was no reached.
@aryair1411
@aryair1411 Ай бұрын
A war that the superpowers didn't want to have a winner, but in fact the Iranians are the winners because they didn't let Saddam achieve any of his goals.
@rpick7546
@rpick7546 7 ай бұрын
'The Iranian attacks failed, mostly due to Iraqi artillery.' Get used to that statement if you do any research at all into this war.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 7 ай бұрын
Not just this war.
@rpick7546
@rpick7546 7 ай бұрын
​@@usuallyhapless9481Absolutely. I was simply alluding to the fact that the Iraqis were completely dependent on artillery superiority to avoid being destroyed in this war.
@gangstercomputergod9362
@gangstercomputergod9362 7 ай бұрын
@@rpick7546 Plus chems in the later war. And to be fair, the Iranians weren't exactly a completely competent force either.
@xahmadx6442
@xahmadx6442 7 ай бұрын
Saddam Hussein trying not make a big army then completely mess it up by filling it with mostly incompetent people challenge (impossible) aside from jokes this also came to bite Saddam in the ass in 1991 and 2003
@thelegend27o7
@thelegend27o7 7 ай бұрын
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