And, yet, Gaijin enables this behavior because when someone says something is incorrect with the game, they have a VERY long and ironclad history of never changing their opinion or vehicles or mechanics in-game unless someone provides documentation to prove them wrong. It's been like this since the game was in its infancy in 2013. It's not new. It hasn't changed. Only thing that has changed is we're no longer dealing with purely WW2-era aircraft and we have Cold War and post-Cold War aircraft being added (which Gaijin said at one point that they'd never add, so go figure).

@@matchesburn I don't have experience with it, though why do I see players talk about 'nerfing' and such? The planes seem to be positioned and tweaked like characters in Apex Legends, like they follow a meta for what is a competitive MMO grind out? I've seen some argue about the capabilities of the in game Mig-29's AoA flight modelling and such while still remaining highly inaccurate (apparently?), although to me it wouldn't matter. They're not tweaking it according to how truly accurate it is according to either classified or unclassified data, they are managing its in game popularity for success (commercially at the publishers end). Otherwise they have no game. If you ask me, I rather think it would be an effective way to ferret out potential weasels.

@@eustacequinlank7418 "though why do I see players talk about 'nerfing' and such?" ...Because players love to complain and blame things? I don't know.

​@@matchesburnGamers have been decrying every change that was detrimental to their way of playing since before the term "nerf" entered the gaming lexicon through complaints about Diablo 2 patch notes.

@@eustacequinlank7418 There's two ways of nerfing or buffing vehicles in War Thunder. Either you change an attribute of the actual vehicle (such as turret traverse speed or which ammunition it can use), OR you change its Battle Rating to go against stronger or weaker vehicles.

Unsurprising would be another word choice.

This unimaginative video referenced the game's title "War Thunder" over 35 times, which is four times more than a standard War Thunder advert...

I thought about that too, but that would make many people loose credibility on the story, something like "of course he's saying it's no big deal, he was *bribed* by the capitalist company" And that would be a bummer

I do remember another video on a different channel talking about a paper talking about how the Air Force as a separate entity is a bad idea or something along those lines. The sponsor was the navy's printing service, the comments were predictably hilarious

I was waiting for it

So, I'm not the only one... 🤣

Now someone needs to post the manuals for the T-90/72/80, but edit it to say "Ukrainian Tractor Food", or something like that. Don't literally post the manuals, but make something up that seems believable.

Make a historical document as well please. The Japanese really need good WW2 Heavy tank.

My first thought as well... 😂 And, why not? The Russians have been doing it for decades.

it very much is lol, you have no idea. But Alex is right, most of the current leaks as of now have been rather mild

It's cringe when people in the WT community jump on every "leak" news like it is worth noting in any way.

Boohoo for the USA, cause the devs are from Europe so what you gonna do, ban the game?

Probably a fair point. I mean the US government is trying to shut down the *much* more popular app TikTok for rather less severe data breaches.

Really? Why would it "stop existing"? It wouldn't. But if the leaks were really important, there would certainly be a lot of people prosecuted for "leaking" things... setting an example.

I believe most of these manuals would fall under CUI or sometimes secret. The secret stuff would mostly be for radar and radar cross sections

It stands to reason that they will leave out technologies which are still relevant when they declassify stuff. Thanks for the awesome story and thanks for being an adult and not revealing national defence secrets

Sony enters the chat. Anonymous enters the chat. Sony left the chat. We all win.

yes, you can just like with the leak before the apache, but that doesn't mean it's meant to be shared with the public

@@mlgrocket You're missing the point. It's already public. You can find it with an internet search in seconds. Just because you didn't know it existed doesn't mean it's harmful, illegal and/or classified. And guess what? No case of this happening was.

@@matchesburn ok, let me rephrase so you'll understand. just cause you can find it easily, doesn't mean it should be just handed out to the public. even if it is, it's not a "you go to prison for the rest of your life" kinda deal, but it's not meant to be given to anyone other than another military. regardless, gaijin can't use the documents whatsoever as they are not a military, they are a game developer

@@mlgrocket Anything you can find within 5 seconds of searching is something so widely disseminated that pretending it's sensitive information is laughable. Stop.

@@matchesburn ok, i see you clearly aren't reading, or are incapable of reading, likely the latter, so you do you.

...by corporate media. Also known as "marketing".

​@doujinflip absolutely, it's great marketing to generate hype in the game and its community.

What's OSINT?

@@bacco0447 Open Source Intelligence.

i mean they did leak the radar cross section of the su57. that sounds pretty serious to me.

@@gamingkingdom1146 Do you know how RCS is calculated? By math. The shape of the Su-57 is known. It's public information. Why you think this is serious or some massive secret is beyond me. Then again, you're advocating for the same "no! itz a sekwet!" group that thinks stating the Leclerc's turret rotation speed is a state secret when there's videos of Leclercs on this site where you can see how quickly they rotate and figure out the degrees per second from that. ...Just think how absurd it is to insist that classifying mathematical equations are. The calculations for figuring out a radar cross section involve geometry/trig/calculus depending on what you want to know and how detailed you want to know it. What, are you suggesting that when you're learning calculus in school there's the "secret" version of calculus that they aren't allowed to teach you unless you've got a security clearance or something. Like if you do the "wrong" calc equations, the FBI kicks in your door? ...Think about this.

@@matchesburn the su57 RCS is affected by its materials as well, i would guess thats the secret part.

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"Aquiring" isn't the problem here though, "Distributing" is. Export controls and classification levels are no joke and its a sad sign of the time if active and past members of the defence community are so willing to share things they know that they should not. It's irrelevant how easy they are to access, or what information a potential adversary has, the classification or controls still stand.

By that logic every user outside of the US who has a manual of the cessna hawk should be slapped with ITAR violations. You know, only the most produced aircraft of all time.

@@TheDAWinz potentially, in the most far-fetched case. Which i'm sure Oleg Tishchenko's defense also argued, but that didn't stop his extradition and arrest. But even that example aside, there are many illegal actions that are committed frequently (such as speeding, piracy, etc), but are only enforced in more extreme or noteworthy cases. Any organization or individual can run fast and loose with the law, but do so at their own peril, however minor or pointless the potential transgression may seem.

"Worked out real well for DCS Devs when they got smacked with smuggling" There's a difference between someone smoking a joint in California and someone smugging 200 tons of hashish across the border into Iran. Time and place. Nuance. What you're trying to demonstrate is a false equivalence. What happened with the DCS devs is they were disseminating and distributing these. That doesn't mean that you, personally, having them is an issue. There's plenty of software that you can, personally, use free and clear for your own purposes. If you tried using it for a company with 500 people without licensing or purchasing it... You're going to run into an issue. The circumstances are not the same. It might *_seem_* like a trivial detail, but it isn't.

@@matchesburn Sure, i'll give you that it's not really about the acquisition of the materials itself, was more of a general statement about things like this being digital not being a disqualifier. What do you think is being done when these documents are being uploaded to say, a video game forum for potentially hundreds or more people to see/acquire? Because there's about 3 arguments that could be made for disseminating the information. The first being the sharing of the document to the forum by the individual themselves. The second being that the platform, in hosting it publicly, is acting as a distributor. Further, the company once again if they publish said information via the game. The latter two are solved by the company removing said information, and not using it to change in game stats. But the individual themselves did very much intend to post it to that platform. Intended to distribute these materials publicly.

maybe you should buy him a ring

@@surgetsann Sometimes I forget that we've enter the age where paying someone compliments is a bad thing, which more often than not, results in others making juvenile remarks about it... 🙄

Once a system is in wide use or exported none of the user manuals are classified. Frankly for the simple reason how the heck do you clear everyone that has them and keep them in secure areas. Could something be gained from the user manuals? Maybe which is why they are restricted. But nothing leaked seems all that dangerous.

Thankfully there are many youtubers as you are who took over the roll of real Journalismus from the big Media corporations...

#WellSaid @stonefish1318.!

Project wingman is absolutely fantastic

I love Ace Combat, and I thought about giving Project Wingman a try because it looks fun! Also I definitely agree about your point on the single player vs. multiplayer games. I used to love playing online and making new friends, but now it's become almost as stressful as my work job to listen to teammates berate and belittle each other. I mean I grew up in the 90's and 00's so toxic gaming was as big or bigger of a problem than it is now, but the toxicity we showed each other back then in games like the Halo franchise for instance was nothing like it is now. For most of us, it was about the competitiveness but more often than not(at least with me and my friends) we would make sure that people know were just fuckin around with the trash talk, but nowadays they're vile towards each other going as far as to make death threats just for killing someone in a FPS game(COD/Battlefield) or in PVP in a MMORPG(Everquest/World of Warcraft). I actually have recently started playing a lot of Armored Warfare's PvE game mode because you get to play with players on your team, but against bots who's difficulty changes on the mission getting harder as you progress so it does have some challenge to it.

Right?! It’s just like how I go to SELF-check outs at the grocery store, being a wheelchair user, groceries have to be packed a certain way so I can carry them out without breaking glass jars or something (and with COVID it’s great to avoid people) but employees RUSH over to me to try and “help” 🙄🤦🏼‍♂️ To which I say hmm, came to SELF C-O to y’know, do it by mySELF 😂 gahhhh! Some people just prefer to keep to themselves! I can see how a game interacting with so many people be overwhelming!

@@soulessshadow5356 The older I get the less I enjoy competitive games. Not just video games mind you, but even things like chess. They don't feel as fun anymore and fun/enjoyment (whatever you want to call it) is the ONE thing I play games (of any nature) for. The only online multiplayer stuff I have ever enjoyed has been co-op PvE type stuff. Though I still love playing stuff like Guilty Gear with a buddy sitting next to me. I'm in my early 40s now and simply put, I don't care for the stress that competitive stuff brings. Sure some people absolutely love that stuff, but it isn't my definition of fun anymore. But that isn't to say I don't enjoy some seriously tough things at times. I like true difficulty (as opposed to garbage like simply making enemies into bullet sponges). I have been gaming since 1984 or so, a bit before the NES came out. My dad gave me his old Atari 2600 and Microvision. I was instantly hooked and likely will be until I die. By the time online multiplayer games even came out, I was already starting to get annoyed by how some people acted, even in person let alone over a network. Still LAN parties were an awesome thing at one time and I'll never forget the fun I had playing stuff like Empire Earth at them with friends. Besides stress, a lot of online gaming seems more like work than play these days. Even a lot of singleplayer stuff seems that way, but it doesn't begin to compare with how bad the online stuff can be. At least imo. Also like you said, the level of toxicity that exists today is orders of magnitude worse than the worst shit talking I used to engage in with my buddies. Plus it isn't coming from friends, but random little turds that just happened to get into the same match or whatnot. My friends have earned the right to talk shit and know how far they can take it, random turds, they have not and do not. As for Project Wingman, if you love Ace Combat, there is a 99.99999% chance you will love the game. It is basically a love letter to Ace Combat with a postscript talking about how much it loves Macross. It isn't just a knockoff, it is a good game in its own right that even does some things better, such as the gunplay being far superior. And instead of a multiplayer as its second mode of play, there is a rougelike mode called conquest that is a ton of fun. The game also lets you reset your progress, so that you can play like you just started the game (like back in the day when we would delete the saves from our memory card just so we could unlock everything once more). It has one of the best soundtracks I have ever heard as well. I put around 500 hours into Ace Combat 7 (without touching its multiplayer at all), I put around 350 hours into Project Wingman. edit: Yes, a game played at a LAN party would be a networked game and thus technically be online in a manner of speaking, but I think most people differentiate between LAN gaming and WAN gaming.

I was stationed @Kadena for 6.5 years and I speak Japanese. #ReallyCool to see Romanji here.!

@@freedomwarrior1448I was stationed at Iwakuni and Misawa.

Deep-rooted emotional Insecurity.

...Project Oxcart was *_fully declassified_* years ago. It's a museum piece that isn't and can't fly again (the decommissioned SR-71s had the oil drained from their engines and were forced to run until they seized). I have absolutely no idea why they would be your ultimate high bar for classified technology. It's been out-of-service, in a museum and declassified for years upon years.

But they ARE threatening when you consider what the leaks show... A willingness of active and past defence community individuals to give out information that they KNOW is export controlled or restricted in other ways. It's a MAJOR problem, even if the information itself isn't that valuable. One day it WILL be when people ignore such things.

@@richardwillson101 Throughout this entire list of so-called leaks, there's only been a few that CLAIMED (and, hey, I'm claiming I'm the King of England, you better believe it, you heard it on the internet) to be service members or contractors. I mean, I can get on the WT forums right now and claim I'm the CEO of Lockheed-Martin and the F-22A actually uses the tears of unicorns for its fuel while linking to already known OSINT information. Doesn't mean I'm telling the truth and doesn't mean it's a leak.

Smartphones really shouldn’t be allowed anywhere that highly classified information and documents can be viewed. Just have people check them in at the entrance or when they board a ship.

@bluemarlin8138 absolutely! But we rely so highly on them for communication these days. I have used them as a primary method of communication in areas where cameras were previously prohibited and taken off you on entry.

@@richardwillson101 And that is also a problem. Problem with smartphones is not only their camera and internet access, but fact that it is literally a sophisticated spy equipment, with MUCH worse protection of data then everything else.

Like with that old chinese tank, it is "classified", but no one gives a shit about ancient relic that is known to everyone to the lastest screw.

Same

Gaijin published it (also funded by Russian oligarchs but that’s a different story)

@@LewisB3217 all the main wt devs spreak russian lol they live in russia , so u know where the money goes.

No only people playing on steam

you're right - it doesn't

It’s GAY- JIN now buddy

If it’s classified, yes? Duh

Most of the players playing the game are in the US, on a US timezone. Not everything is American exceptionalism you dainty little flower