According to the wowhead profession calculator you still need atleast 10 points to unlock the first subspec and for blacksmithing 15 points

How relevant is this video in today's news?

Fam, I really appreciate the complexity that professions now bolster, but damn is it confusing as a returning player. So hype to get back!!

Look up Penguinr2gt. She focuses on professions and making money in WoW.

Not like there aren’t others

So professions aren't supposed to feel like a job...?

Tbh it's similar complexity as SL leggos, except it doesn't depend on you spending millions to be able to craft items that'll give you a return of 50000%. More variety. It's gameplay now, unlike old professions which were just cancel scan spamming auction houses, which suuucks

It’s way better now … it’s an actual part of gaming now and using brain instead of just clicking combine mindlessly A lot of people enjoy the new pillar of the game as raiding past normal or mythic dungeons or PvP just DOES NOT APPEAL to most of the player base which you can surmise by looking at logs and estimating how many players truly participate seriously in the higher end game PvP / raids / dungeons as it’s just not that fun and the gear only lasts about 180 days until it’s useless Just my opinion though 😊 so doesn’t mean anything other than another opinion

Professions are actually interesting and relevant to non AH tycoons now.

@LordKatulu40 - I completely agree. I've enjoyed JC since TBC as well and I find the Dragonflight approach to professions overly complicated without providing any fun. Professions still have the samme issue that they always had, that most of what you can make is useless with the exception of a few key items. Even levelling professions have gotten super annoying - Getting stuck around 70-75 and only have a single recipe that you can craft to gain additional levels because there is no more to learn from the trainer. WOTLK was by far the best expansion fra professions. Every piece of gear had sockets, so people needed a lot of gems. It also ment that a lot of professions relied on eachother and thus resulting ina. circular economy. You needed glyphs, flasks, feasts, enchants, transmutes etc. Today that is severely limited with a lot of gear that can't be enchanted, doesn't contain sockets etc. Enchants and sockets as in WOTLK also provided you with much more flexibility in adjusting stats on your gear. In recent expansions gear is much more similar in stats and when you want your 4 piece-set bonus and some of the items don't have the stats for your particular build, thats just tough luck. At least with many more sockets it would allow you to adjust stats a bit. Overall Dragonflight was a good expansion, but it did introduce too many complexities that didn't provide any fun, just chores. An insane amount of currencies and reagents that fills your bags. And to craft that specific item now you need to farm a specific crest/spark etc. Would have been better if they had halfed the amount of different tokens/reagents and made it so other professions could craft them and give a solid circular economy.

That sounds nice, but public orders rarely ever tip in any meaningful way. Or I guess most of the good ones are filled right away, despite 4 work order a day limit

Wouldn’t that just be a pay to win system?

@@williamcolgin1987 everything's acquired in-game though, nothings bought with RL money off a cash shop or whatever

This is false. There are no recipes in DF or TWW that require raid/dungeon drops.

@@thisismychannel607 it's all tied together. Gold can be purchased with real money through the wow token. Currently $20 gets you 330K. Crafting with mats from M+, raid or world content keeps it from being pay to win.

@@SoulSoBreezy I think he's referring to crests.

The new Concentration mechanic seems like it will spread the crafting work load among more crafters. Current chat spammers will literally only be able to produce a few max level crafts per day. Not sure what “price fixing” you experienced. Most crafts on my server were tip based unless they required an Insight to max the craft and then it was only 5-10k since insight was a time gated resource.

Couple bullet points: - I'm on a fairly high pop server but don't trade spam, I wait for clients to spam instead while I do other things in town, and I've made a great deal of gold that way. - I do more AH sales via selling R3 reagents. There's this mentality that crafted gear is all there is to DF professions and will bring up your point about how awful it is to trade chat spam. So don't do it. Participate in a market that's successful for you, don't just wish for the game to work the way you want to and expect it to happen. TWW profesions are trying to solidify a thriving reagent market based on the AH. People just need to get it out of their heads that the finished product isn't all there is to professions. - There're immediate consequences to your suggestions. Capping/removing private orders negatively affects people who just want to craft for friends or people who know each other. Adding a minimum quality to public orders takes out one of the big reasons for this system in the first place - encouraging human interaction for commerce. - Ranty bit here, but it's distressing that there're people out there who dislike the notion of having to "know" who the best crafters are, and are more concerned with immediate convenience. Somewhere in here, the MMORPG part of the game has to play a part.

What is he talking about? What price fixing and mass reporting? Somehow I doubt these are actual problems. Show me receipts

@@7PlayingWithFire7 I tried crafting with LW and BS at the start of the expansion on EU-TN. I got mass reported by bots if I priced under the market. There are tons of reddit posts about this. Not alone, happened to a lot of players mostly a week of trade chat ban for being mass reported by price fixers

@@SoulSoBreezy I never went ahead and accused you of anything. I play on TN - EU. When I started out there were tons of trade chat spamming bots, now we have 3-4 crafters that have discords with 7 alts crafting everything and using their private discord to communicate with players. I don't think this is encouraging communication in an MMORPG in the way that is intended or useful. In the days of Vanilla, Wotlk and TBC crafters had to save daily cooldowns (like mooncloth etc) and you had to build actual trust and relationships to get the items crafted. Current level of comms are superficial and just lets get this done kind of talk which is useless that is why tools like LFG, AH are taking over, people do not like repetitive talks anyway. But yes I think with the current state of the game with so many gold sinks, we need professions to uplift the players and be a tool in their belt. With the current state it's just designed for

I crippled my first crafter by investing enchanting points into pointless trees

Can't hurt to wait a little while. Having said that, there should be plenty of videos with some clear cut talent paths by the time of launch(Many are up already). You can also use the profession tree calculator to plan your talent pathway in advance. I've already picked paths for all of my professions and tested them out on the beta.

@@7PlayingWithFire7 Same, but fortunately they added crests for enchanters and that made me more gold than anything else I did with enchanting.

Nevermind I think you said this. XD

feel you, am so tired to see all those idiots sending orders for 1g

No, those don't age well

With cheap materials, I say play around with a few of the dragonflight professions to get an idea of the very basic concepts like the stats and what maniuplates your skills and ultimately, the quality of your crafts. Wowhead also has a profession talent tool so you can click buttons and give yourself information to soak in. Dragonflights professions with the focus on Inspiration (luck) quickly gets confusing as it takes what you learn and throws it out the window at least for a time. TWW is much more clear to understand but yeah, sorry that this wasn't meant to be a beginner's guide.

I know I'd use it to my advantage, and the takeaway isn't that they should allow respecs, but that they shouldn't do that whole dungeon thing

They can't allow for 0 punishment respeccing because that would be exploited. They could introduce it if it would set one back on the profession progress a reasonable amount..

I found crafting to be absolutely needed for certain players who do endgame and want enchants for gear, buffs from food, gear when it's not dropping. But I agree there's a level of player who won't see the value of profession items beyond cosmetic appearances.

I sorta agree, but one of the main goals of this crafting system was to get people talking to each other again

@@SoulSoBreezy I've heard that and I'm fine with it, but if that is the case they should have just not included public work orders at all.

imo there's a few perfectly functional uses for public work orders: - Pre DF Legacy items (Naxx) - DF Legacy items (transmog) - people with low quality materials who'll recraft later Reason we don't see much of that third bullet point is all thanks to inspiration letting us make high quality goods with cheap materials and brute force RNG. I can easily be in the wrong here, but I predict the cost of materials and reagents are going to price people out and have them "settle" for lower quality crafts early on.

I bs/eng on my main and enjoyed fulfilling crafting orders with other people's mats. My alts have professions too but my approach for them is using daily cooldowns or easy crafts I can sell on the ah cause I don't really put as much time into them

I was max blacksmithing+ enchanting dragonflight. Was to much work for to little profit. Was nice making my own weapons for my warrior but not really worth the time unless you want to spend alot of effort. Enchanting is alot easier to lvl and takes alot less effort, if they make it so Enchanter can craft crests that people need to uppgrade gear like in dragonflight i would say pickup mining/Enchanting or herbing/ mining. Made more gold on crests with enchanting then I did with blacksmithing

Engineering crafting helmet

It is kind of a nightmare if you liked having all professions on your alts. It gets quite a heavy time investment to keep them all up to date.. and if you only have limited time to play then it sucks...

Correct, so don't do them. Wait till more attractive quests come in, and rely on the catchups to ensure that you're never that far "behind"

I'm skeptical, mostly because there's no more of that "use r2 and hope for a proc" happening. I mean it will happen but it'll come at a massive concentration cost so it'll be seldom done

Mistake, sorry bout that!

That philosophy hasn't changed. Just imo but I dont think there was enough feedback on your concern as leveling and gear drops were very brisk to the point where a full low level set wasn't needed

Yes Yes Depends. They'll level sooner than others but are restricted to the Early Access era of the economy. After general release we get the full supply/demand economy and there's no predicting which would be "advantageous"

No benefit

@@SoulSoBreezy hero cheers

I'm being intentionally flippant but no you only need eyes to get JC going

You can do cross server guild orders

@@maba6125 Thanks!

Dragonflight gear will include: 30 stat 30 stat +8 Dragon Isles crafting TWW gear will include: 60 stat 60 stat +8 TWW crafting

No

Counterpoint - why should the client care? They don't have to listen to the crafter's sob story of why they're sooo low on concentration and they're offering them a deal. If the price isn't ideal, move on

I don't have a good answer to that since enchanting mats are a different sort of gathering compared to the primary gathering professions

No knowledge if someone is working on that. Even the values are still changing in recent beta builds and I wouldn't wish it on any reasonable person to keep up with that.

No

Yes

sorry that you feel that way, but Blizz is adamant that if Crafting is to continue being worthwhile, then it has to have complexity.

That's the point honestly. I love this system, and I'm happy to let you pay me to understand it for you

@@UltimateGamerCC to me if you are going to make it more complicated a tutorial would be alot more helpful. I don't mind as much getting the items but not understanding how the mechanics work is just dumb to me I liked the way it used to be but I Don't see that changing.

and then they figure out how to have bots do it and we're back here again

With some exceptions, yes

Yes but engineers have a table they can make where they can set to the table to any profession they want so there is some freedom, though it's also somewhat limited.

That's why I'm here to help if you're willing to learn

You got 150 mettle free from the npc in Valdrakken weekly. Also some from the weekly rng drops from certain mobs for the knowledge points and ofc first crafts etc that gave knowledge points.

@@ShadowsOfThePast lol I didn't even know that! Thanks!

@@tftg458 Np. I hope it's gonna be better/easier in TWW to keep professions caught up but to be on a safe side I tend to avoid double crafting on most of my alts 😬 Will have to see how it feels on my main first (alch/herb)

I'm a dual crafter. the 150 mettle allowance was already mentioned for DF so there's that. In TWW Patron Crafting orders will be the primary source of acuity, I described them as a regular flow of profession weekly quests. One upside (?) is that as a dual crafter I'll see twice as many crafting orders. Drawback is that since most of those orders ask for materials at the moment, those're more resources I'll have to provide.

Is there a good reason to craft high quality legacy items?

@SoulSoBreezy not sure about good reason but yeah, gathering skill procs still matter, having perception, finesse for more procs and all of that still matter when out gathering items. As for crafting/production, skill procs are still important. Example would be crafting pvp warp grenades or sticky grenades, the skill in which you craft changes the duration of stunning and the range, or the distance in which it will pull in enemies It can also impact buff duration for many pvp items. The quality still has heavy impact for all of that

+Skill is expansion specific, the secondary stats (Perception, Multicraft) work across expansions. Khaz Algar tools have more than double the secondary stat values compared to DF tools.

@@SoulSoBreezy good to know. But that +skill is still needed for the examples I mentioned.

I guess it ultimately depends on if you feel like stockpiling early? It's the difference between holding onto one tool vs multiple stacks of old bombs. Also, guess I never mentioned this myself but Concentration is also separated by expansion eras. Between that and the higher ratings relative to the lower level Dragonflight recipes, I'm ballparking here but I'm thinking 50-60% of a desired stat like ingenuity should let you craft X number of bombs without needing the old skill bonuses. Speaking for me, if I have to go back to town to switch tools and craft X, I'd plan around it in a way that I'd do it once every quarter.

Without sparks costs would tank and other sources of gear progression would be severely compromised

very VERY L take, at the start of the expansion the Blues are gonna be important and therefore will make a ton of Gold.

​@@UltimateGamerCCI agree! And they make great catch up gear each season for someone with alts or just joining again since the lowest tier enchanted crest make them a much higher ilvl. I plan to make sure each of my characters has a full set of blue gear at the beginning so I don't need to worry about what pieces I can recraft or need to make fully.

@@maba6125 exactly, and we have no idea how easy it is to acquire Warbound gear, so alts will probably still need Blues in TWW.

sorry, i dont speak Whale...

'Why play the game when you can just pay for a boost..or pay someone to play the game for you..". *sigh* some people..