Yes!

Not senior but definitely fits into mid-level profile, specially because 3 out of those technologies (AWS, Go, D3) are not the standard "entry level".

intermediate*

No true senior or true mid is working a junior’s salary. It’s mainly just low mids who would be considered juniors at other companies.

@@k-lawnThe last company I work for as a junior had me doing everything. I built the front end, and back end. made api's, custom Wordpress themes, next js web apps, even apps for phones. After 3 years I asked for a raise, got instead a 5 year plan to move from 30k, what they been paying for 3 years, to 50k. no raise after the 3 years, meaning at year 8 I would have been close to what I wanted. I quit on the spot when they told me that.

So introverts are fcked

He says touch grass

I didn't study web development for that!

@@lauraw2526 If you've never had an IT job before, then let me tell you - it's all about collaboration and teamwork. You don't get to tinker around on your computer by yourself all day (maybe as a junior dev you can). The higher your position, the more you'll be sitting in meetings and mentoring other devs etc. So, don't neglect to hone your people skills alongside tech skills!

I attended couple of meetups around my city and its just filled with all other job seekers and recently laid off people 😂😂😂

Bro you were the ladder for their success you would had focus on your skill set so that you achieve success

What should the rest of us mortals expect then? 😢

@@sebastianlozano7707 I suspect that after the dust settles, we will have a much clearer picture of what the industry is really looking for in current software developer requirements. My suggestion is to keep getting stronger with your code and to volunteer our services to create something for someone of some company that needs your skill set. You may have to do some free wok temporarily but you will be gaining something very, very important. Experience.

Probably perceived as too expensive. They prefer Juniors and mid especially for frontend. Most jobs aren't for companies/applications serving millions of customers all over the world. Do you also look for full stack positions? It might be easier for you to to get a such job, because there's a ton of legacy applications and systems that need maintenance and are even further developed, and your experience here would be valuable. Many companies struggle with finding people willing to work with legacy systems, so consider what you'll answer when asked "how important is to you to work with latest technologies" or similar.

@@denissorn I'm full stack with Node.js/Express/Apollo/GraphQL. I have years of experience working with legacy code bases. My last job has a code base for some sections of the application written in Angular 1.58(wrapped with a custom derivative made in-house), CoffeeScript, and Java/JSP. I'm no stranger to living in that world. My resume indicates that I have experience in such code bases. You are correct in your explanation, though. Lots of companies have older tech stacks that need maintenance and eventually, upgrades. I'm experienced in doing both.

simpler times

In reality, it's much harder.

Of course, it is easy to say like: "Just start a startup, you will be rich if you work hard." The reality is much harder than that, and you would lose much more money if you fail

Did you do it tho?

@@valerioharvey7289 I believe he means become a contractor, not create a startup. But the contractor market is also shit at the moment, in the UK at least.

This is probably harder than landing a job

Have faith bro

Yeah no option. I'm working as a frontend dev and I realize this everyday. Initially I was aiming for Python but I finally got this. Life is so unpredictable but one thing that can definitely be predicted is life sucks. And you still have to live😅

I feel ya, same boat.

You're a loser, baby. But we get to be loser together

Well, same for me. But then I try switching to learn backend with php and go.

Eh, just a lot of different effects pushing things in the same direction at the same time. It's not like people suddenly decided that they don't need technology, or web dev. What works to get a job done changes all the time and I think it's very interesting that being married to the term "web developer" may be the downfall of a lot of people who code. Continue to learn; continue to evolve; and put in the time and effort!

THIS! And that's why I'm learning to code

Good luck finding a product. Market is so saturated

@@miauw8762 no worries I have a product that does not exist yet and is very needed at the same time😉 But I agree , the easy to come up with type of products are taken.

Yeah, it's not easy (and a lot of rejections) but you have to promote like crazy when the market is saturated.

I have an interest in web dev. Can you please give me some advice?

He is literally saying it's really hard?

​@@mukta5417 It's not him, but most other creators acting like their weird job interview shorts are anywhere good in a real job interview, and developers acting like all you need is to learn some JavaScript to get a well paid job. In reality, even with 10+ years in all these technologies companies don't consider you good enough or only want to pay you like a freshman. Based on my employers own job advertisements I'm not surprised they don't find new people, because they're asking for the skills of their current employees but anyone who has these wouldn't even consider joining for less than 1,5 times our average pay here.

wat?

?? Pretty much every webdev youtubers say that programming is a long process. Some youtubers say that you can learn programming in a few months. You can do that, but that don't make you job ready

​@@mukta5417so saying it's hard is a content you want to see

"self thought": "I think therefore I am"?

​@@johnkeck???

@@jamesogorman3572 you wrote, "self thought" as if you think about your self

in same boat brother..... I'm 27 and been learning web dev since 25.........I'm also at the verge of giving up......

​@@jamesogorman3572thought or taught?

So... you're saying it's much easier than college and much more profitable for just about everyone? Also, what waste? It's fun and you learn how to build stuff.

@@reidyoung298 fun, when you know what to learn and how to learn it. But it’s a very confusing landscape wouldn’t you agree? I really struggled with this and I even got some official degree. So no it was not all fun although I enjoyed building stuff. It was quite a struggle to understand what you need and need to know to build which type of application or website and to understand what type of dev job that fits with that. They haven’t taught me all that at school. If you want to be a self taught dev that seems like a very daunting thing to do. Especially because companies have huge expectations of juniors.

@@reidyoung298 where is he saying web dev is easier than college. If anything he’s saying the exact opposite.

What should we study then ?

What are your credentials? College degree? Coding bootcamp? Self taught?

@@vl3244 Self taught. I used to be a Wordpress and other CMS freelancer (PHP, JS and Symfony) and decided to learn React and Python (Django, FastAPI), but I even haven’t been invited for an interview. I was sent 4 or 5 testimonials which I successfully completed but I’ve never received any feedback.

Get out of here with your reasonable evaluations the sky is falling

​@@trentirvin2008I know right smh

Indeed! Even if it looks different when it comes back, it comes back.

no, AI is here - it will only shrink.

Nah its almost impossible

This typical video for losers ,so brings losers... I'm get out of here.

He actually did a video on it a while ago

companies will never let a random junior play with their databases.

Being full stack doesn’t mean they gonna give u their entire db. Where did u get this conclusion bro ?

idk, the days of being barely passable at the whole stack and landing a job is over, better to specialize than to go full-stack. Save full-stack for the senior devs people

If you’re doing full stack you are doing back end. Full stack is just another term for sucker working at a company who’s not prepared to pay anyone else.

⁠@@square-deal2375I kinda agree. Senior devs don’t do full stack, they’re not that stupid. I’ve worked with plenty of experienced back end coders and they just laugh at css. They don’t have time for it. You need to specialise to get a job in the market. Db admin etc, when they say do a landing page, say it’s not my job.

Step 1: open Google. Step 2: search "coding meetup whateveryourycityis"

Not everyone wants a union. I'm tired of middlemen taking my money.

@@juangalton999 not what I meant.

That's labour way, relaxing and enjoying or learning is a programmer way and instead companies will go on strike, anyways they are just some stones and bricks with attached washrooms... If you go on strike on roads, you aren't against them you are with them, that's how they gather crowd on roads for their work for free.

​​@@puneetgrover6998yeah obviously in no way I meant to insult any web programmers, only stupid fools with find relation between programmers and prolabours, by the way you mention your creation ? Can I get link for the same, I don't get how my definition of company was relatable?

​​@@puneetgrover6998after checking the website I couldn't believe you created this e commerce website all alone and I scrolled to check and found your name below along with your FB link.. and the companies aren't still hiring you - definitely mad. And ROFL by no means these are attached washrooms, first I didn't got it and then I checked on my laptop, even college hostels have seperate men and women section.. even seperate bedrooms, trial rooms etc and by no means programmers be compared to labours, it's madness spread by form filers and some mechanical engineers, programming is not about typing or joining wires and pipelines.. even all these combined can be matched with the programmers intellect and knowledge... But It felt nice interacting with you.. really proud to have people like you as a programmer.

I remember those times...been doing HTML since '96. But then there was no real market, very few companies' CEOs even knew what "internet" was, or if there was any point or getting a website.

@@3polygons oh yeah... But you knew that if you work - it's gonna be the honest job, this now is all like drag-n-drop tools which generates code after that and all smaller companies and e-commerces are working on that...

@@MazoCreed Yup... and gate keeping their sites, at least in the case of Wix, Weebly, Jimdo... as in, charging for every little thing to those small business or even mid size companies... like quite more expensive to have a domain with those sites than in the market (if I remember correctly, with Wix you can have the domain at your cheap godaddy or namecheap, but Wix and all those platforms charge you _quite_ for letting you assign it!), etc. Wordpress is different, better bang for the buck, more "freedom", and they have built a *huge* ecosystem around it. And a lot of PHP coders get gigs for customizing WP sites, anyway. But of course, if these wouldn't exist, there'd be a lot more jobs and gigs for web developers, definitely. In a much larger degree (as in, programmers will always have a place/job for some decades, yet. Maybe for ever. The key is in which number they'll still be required) it is happening with generative AI for images, damaging illustration and digital painters' mere way of life (I'm one of those, yikes). All in all, those of us doing freelancing, I don't mind taking Weebly, WordPress or Wix projects. Also, unlike working at companies, freelancing allows one to even go just pure vanilla JS, HTML and CSS, and pixel perfect graphics (I do my graphics and design) which I love since the old times.

Wordpress offers you a php dev position so whats wrong with that

True that nowadays you can get a website with a few clicks... but its also true that nowadays many more companies want to get much more complex apps. And these complex apps need to be build by developers. Market has just evolved. Developers need to be more skilled now.

Persist.

Elon Musk isn't a skilled programmer.

@@vl3244 What Elon said: I'm an engineer I do engineering so I me I wrote software for like 15 years 20 years

I attended Tech elevator just for this and decided to just finish my CS degree instead. We can only hope it gets better

@@Will-gi3wg as long as you are committed to it. You will be fine. I went to a very nice university, honestly the boot camp program is not worth it. Just go to something cheaper or get your bachelor's degree. Now these days those companies will hire you if you have any kind of bachelor degree. Good luck though

​@@marceillatanadi​ i couldn't agree more. Especially in my country, you will need a bachelors degree to land a job in most companies. Also, a good relation with a /more person that has been working in a company you are trying to land a job , would be a plus point😂.

​@@Will-gi3wgIt won't with development pf AIs who will make companies hire less programmers. I guess the best thing to do is to befriend people in the company or learning things that not much fresh graduates knows, like AI development

1972 everyone LOL

ok but how

True, but that comes with its own struggles as well, such as probably having to learn stuff like wordpress and shopify and so on, but I rather that than beg

Don't feel like that, the market is totally saturated. I'm 46, dev since my teenaging, and even I had a hard time finding a job (got a ton of rejection until I got a new position). Basically for a senior, they're expecting to replace the entire IT department.

@@rael_gc is it even worth putting more time and effort into ?

Specialized in what? JavaScript… Python? Simple e-commerce websites?

He means choosing either frontend or backend as opposed to full stack.@@jtc9098

I’m a QA Automation Engineer with a 6 figure salary and my wife is a Data Dev with almost a 6 figure salary. Just saying, I’m knowledgeable of the market.

But college degree does not count as an experience. At least in my country, companies want a real job experience

Most jobs ask for "commercial experience". College simply isn't. Congrats on your 6-figure salary although you seem to know nothing about nowadays recruitment issues.