Asmon, thanks so much for weighing in and giving this some more attention. If you ever want a duo partner when you check out the game, I'll be there in a heart beat.

The worst thing about this, especially for a game like Tarkov is these cheaters get to loot your hard earned gear when you die. Makes it 100% unplayable. If it was just getting killed and you can just say "Oh well..." and find a new lobby it would be one thing, but there are real staggering consequences for death in this game. Screw that.

For those who have not played Tarkov, the reason the wiggle is so jarring is because the community started wiggling to team up with other players before VOIP was introduced, and now it is being perverted by the hacking community. It is just sickening that the cheaters are teaming up to ruin everyone's gaming experience.

4:48 The moment As had the same reaction as the tons of players whose jaw dropped when watching the video. This wasn't about showing us how hacks work(plenty of videos of that) this was about making it easy to evaluate ALL OTHER PLAYERS ON THE MAP FOR PROVABLE HACKING. Game-changing.

This reminds me of Team Fortress Classic 20 years ago. Someone created a hack and released it. What people who used it didn't realize was that the hack also logged the users name, steamid and the times they used it. Months after he had released his hack, he released the logs of everyone who used it. This obviously caused quite the ruckus within the TFC community. A number of high level players were caught using it during matches.

thats insane how far this video is reaching. i never expected asmon to react to tarkov content.

Omg I just realized why so many dudes were skeptical of him even though they knew he was hacking. He wasn't killing anyone and therefore his K:D was terrible... They must be thinking wtf is going on if a hacker has that type of KD.

The craziest part of this is, many use Radar but not ESP because ESP is more detectable. So people couldn't see him wiggle, but knew where he was. Radar is by far the most used cheat in this game, because it is functionally impossible to be detected.

just started the video, but YEARS ago, I had a friend who played WarZ. And he was CERTAIN that everyone was cheating. So he ended up downloading cheats just to see, and it was earth shattering that as a cheater, you could easily tell who else was cheating. And there was almost this "code" that was developed - that if, for example, two WarZ cheaters saw each other through a mountain, they could tell they were looking at each other, do a little flick of the mouse, and then move in opposite directions... I couldn't play the game anymore after seeing this... because it was MULTIPLE people in EVERY server/session. Edit: BAHAHAHA they do the same thing here with the Wiggle! OMG... what a trip back memory lane

In arma the common way to signal friendly is also the wiggle. Especially useful in antistasi where you may have multiple squads with no uniform in the same area and no clear plan to organize around.

Holy. Just realised why I was spared when I played my first match. Was testing out the controls and started to do the wiggle, a random player shows up a few seconds later out of cover and wiggles to me before turning to the oposite direction and walking away.

Somebody give that guy a medal. Incredible investigative skills.

He asked a question during the interview: "every multiplayer game will have some level of cheating, it's impossible to completely remove, so what level of cheating is acceptable?". I say, an acceptable level of cheating is a level where when somebody says "I died to a cheater", everyone who plays that game has a default reaction of "no, you probably just got handled by a better player!". Tarkov doesn't have that default reaction, it's more like "yeah, you probably did die by a cheater, it's not surprising at this point".

This video is very validating for me. I play a lot of realism shooters, and do pretty well. When I stepped into tarkov, nothing seem to work anymore, no matter how careful and purposeful my actions were, I'd often lose. My anxiety playing it was heightened compared to other games. I default to thinking that oh they just saw me, they had a good angle, etc, etc. in general. Only a handful of times was it blatant enough for me to confidently call cheating. Seeing this video, seeing how the cheaters act and work, shows me those other times were cheaters too, probably plenty of deaths I think were completely legit. It also makes me glad I quit tarkov after a month, deciding it wasn't worth it. Huge thanks for goat making this video. Realistically if he only investigated lets say a third of the people in each raid, then that would mean there are 2-4+ cheaters 60% of the time. That'd mean every single raid has at least one cheater. There is no Tarkov, it doesn't exist, only a cheater haven masquerading as a game.

This made me think, it would be interesting if developers coded in a reporting script into their games, if the game kept track of your statistics of how often you aim towards opponents without direct line of sight, and then after some minimal period of time (say 20 games to ensure reliability) if you are 2 standard deviations away from average then your console automatically reports you.

BIG TIP: If you join a match, hit the console button, and if several errors are reported in the level, an invisible player is in the map.

Oh man I had no idea the wiggle is a thing, let alone that there was actually a sense of "community" among cheaters.

Imagine how much anxiety it would cause some cheaters if you constantly haunted them like this? Devs should hire a few people to fulfill that role.

This video is so accurate. Last wipe we broke bad and a friend bought cheats. We were amazed to see how many cheaters there were in the game. Every raid lobby at least 2 of them. If you don't get killed by a cheater it means they're just looting the map dry while avoiding you. We quit. It's unbelievable how infested this game is and I can't even imagine how bad it must be this wipe because of the backlash from the community.

"The wiggle" is not some hacker exclusive thing, its a staple of tarkov. If someone wiggles and you wiggle back that means were not gonna have a problem/do you wanna team up. Hes using "the wiggle" through walls because only hackers would be able to see him doing it.

I would pay to watch Asmon play Tarkov and just watch him rage.

There are reasons that make Tarkov cheating way worse than cheating in some other games. 1. In Tarkov, dying and living matters more. You acquire cool loot. Guns and attachments that you find as loot and can't yet buy. Ammo you painfully collected for that one gun. And when you die it stings. But it hurts even more when you die in a way that is out of your control. Like just being popped in the forest and wondering if that was a cheater or just some regular camper. In other FPS like CoD and BattleField for example, your death just means you respawn and it affects you very little. And you can leave a cheater lobby with minimal consequences. 2. In Tarkov, players don't start out even with a map, a minimap, a compass, or any helpful tools. Most of Tarkov's skill is down to map knowledge, mastering movement, detecting players based on sounds and visual detection. Just a simple wallhack helps you overcome 99% of Tarkov's challenge. It's a game where one headshot from any gun will send you back to your base naked. A game where the person to spot someone first has a HUGE advantage. In games like battlefield or CoD, a wallhacker has an advantage for sure. But most weapons have a relatively slow TTK (time to kill), which means if your recoil control and aim are bad, you still get clapped by a better player. In games like overwatch and R6S, operators and heroes have gadgets that give the entire team wallhacks anyway. In Overwatch, aim is not even that important for most heroes, as there are shields and other mechanics that can prevent you from dying even if someone has an aimbot. And because in Tarkov you have no way of confirming cheaters, watching a replay, etc. And because of point 1 and 2 combined.. you have this sense of vulnerability. But it creates usually a positive kind of stress, an immersive excitement. But when you know that almost every lobby will have a cheater in them, instead of wondering "what if someone is watching over this area", I am wondering "what if I'm walking towards a cheater". And that ruins the immersion part, and just makes it frustrating. Cheaters quite literally just ruin the entire game when they become this numerous. Any time you go into a raid you're not thinking about intended game mechanics, your risk calculation includes being killed by a hacker that you just might run into.

no way man i wasn't thinking asmongold would cover it... most critical youtube who reacts and i love,, hope you join tarkov after they fix these issues!

This brings me back to battlefield 2. Last time I played that game they were knifing you from across the battlefield instantly killing you on spawn. Never seen so many players open about cheating. The cheating in the game was so bad that it became unplayable.

Cheater's don't kill cheaters, it's like they're saying "Hail Hydra" _This man is fucking brilliant_

The fact that cheaters are not worried in this game and even give signs to eachother speaks volumes how bad it actually is and the ammount of cheaters that meet eachother every day. Glad i never played this game.

It's like watching a rebel infiltrate hydra.

Best thing is he had a interview with a guy working for a company that prevents such stuff and that guy said basicly if the dev's would want it, they could prevent cheating. So all in all Dev's just seem to not want to end the cash grab trough ban players and sell them new copy's.

The wiggle between hackers doesnt entirely have to be about the hackers teaming up, but more so similar to in nature: very few top of the food-chain predators have other similar predators as their hunt. The risk is too high, and mutually they understand both parties are equally dangerous. The advantage is lost, so it's best to not engage.

I used to play tarkov a lot. I have died countless times to a random headshot from what I always figured were just campers. I realize I was probably being naive and was getting killed by cheaters more often than I had realized. I only encountered 2 very blatant cheaters, otherwise most of my deaths I assumed were not cheats despite having no way of knowing. I eventually quit because it was just too much to handle.

Tarkov is so good of a game, one of the best games i´ve ever played and i´ve played it since 2017 and still love it. But this might actually be the beginning of the end for tarkov. I´ve stopped playing it since everyone i know quit it because of all the cheaters and it´s so sad. We had a good run tarkov RIP, you will be missed.

27:28 but you also get the reverse effect in smaller games where the extremely small number of cheaters still show up in matches. For example, If you have 3 servers with 50 people in them you'll still probably have a cheater or two in every match, and there's no escape.

This needed to be shared I watched this 2 days ago and I have never played tarkov. But I feel bad for the poor souls literally just trying to have fun and get dogged on by a WHOLE TEAM OF SALTY MEN WHO CANT SHOOT FOR S*HITEEEE

There was this spot I used to have in the original release of the shorline expansion, it was a tree right next to the health resort, you used to be able to sprint off the roof and land dead center and you would be sitting halfway submerged in the very tip of the tree, I could sit there and kill pro Twitch streamers with that spot because it concealed you so well and literally no one knew you could be there to begin with, so those who are laser focused on sight-lines would never naturally see me if I'm being still (I have a video of the spot uploaded called "Hustle"), yet, sometimes, people would out of nowhere laser beam me with a fully automatic weapon from so far away I couldn't hear their shots. I also had an almost just as effective spot on Customs, not many people knew about the bus depot wall you could get on in the early days, there is, yet again, another tree right next to it that conceals you stupid effectively, could whipe out entire full stack squads without people finding out where I'm at, yet other times, instantly drilled in the head from nowhere. Cheating was more blatant in the early days, now people want to "play it off" like they aren't cheating, unless it's to another cheater, it's somehow evolved from something that was fucking annoying to something that is fucking sick.

This is why I stopped playing pvp shooters solo, not fun. I'm either playing with friends or enjoying an actual fair game. I used to wonder why shooters felt so chaotic to play, sometimes it felt good to play and other times I felt like an npc in a pc shootout. Figured it out after a while.

The problem isn't blatant cheaters, the problem is closet cheaters. It's sad that FPS online games are ruined because of cheaters.

Imagine how good this game would be without cheaters

31:35 "when are you playing undertale?" "maybe in like a couple weeks or so.", so that was a lie. At least we got to see him play it finally.

The wiggle move is equivalent to the Indian Scammers message board

I have played this game since 2016, for a long time this was well known but everyone was basically in denial, it almost hurts to see this video but im glad its been brought up, maybe this is the push needed for bsg to get it together

I wonder how much his "no killing PMCs" rule hurt him in this investigation. Since every other cheater can see his KD ratio, I suspect a lot of wigglers were responding to his lack of a good KD ratio combined with his wiggling. A cheater who doesn't display gameplay advantage metrics is likely a red flag to those players who put more than a few seconds of thought into those variables. If he had a very high KD ratio, I suspect some of those players would have reacted much differently.

I love that goat had a good moral compass in this video. No killing PMCs, no looting/transfering items, etc, etc... Well done.

I remember the first few Acts of Valorant. There's always these monster of a jett main or rayna main in high rank lobbies that will go headshot after headshot, pushing and prefiring you head. But EVERYTIME THERE'S A PATCH, they vanish for few days, like they are just gone and the game suddenly feel a lot easier. I'd get more comfortable to peek around corner. Then after a few days, they'd be back again. Then repeat after the patch next week and so on.

This is INSANE!! Never knew how many cheaters there were. Makes you wonder about cheaters in all the other games.

There's a reason the singleplayer mod for Tarkov is getting really popular is all I'll say

This is how cyberpunk look like in multiplayer man.

This dude literally fought fire with fire. Literally.

Just for proper reference, the wiggle in tarkov is a general sign of peace. Its not just for cheaters. That also doesnt mean you wont get killed. You can wiggle and truce with someone then, theyll kill you later anyway if you got something they want.

The wiggle was too much for me 😆 Never knew cheaters had this kind of "community" that even has it's own accepted secret signs.

There's even honor amongst thieves in video games

the wiggle is basically a necromancer build. You just summon cheaters to fight for you !

Back when it came out, I played war thunder tanks because it offered a more realistic take than things like world of tanks. I was certain a lot of people were cheating. I'd call it when I saw it. A friend I played with got frustrated at me for calling so many people cheaters. He felt I was imagining it or calling it out to mask just not being "good enough". Then, recently, it turns out that something like 20% of the entire War Thunder playerbase got caught logging in with cheats. Yeah. I was imagining it....

Unfortunately seems to be a plague on nearly all online games atm i mean we have always had cheaters but it feels like it went from maybe 5-10% to like 25-75% now depending on the game

Actual investigative journalism. Amazing cheats have been out this long, and I don't recall seeing such a solid piece showing the extent of this problem. More of this please. Improve gaming.

Its good to see this video going so Viral. BSG are actually forced to actually interact with their community, that is how crazy out on the ropes they are.

At this point devs should just add esp as a feature

The wiggle is the minecraft spam crouch... lmao

other form of wiggle is by waving at each other with aiming lines on the radar, dont ask how i know

I've seen this wiggle maybe 10 times and still have goosebumps

I used to binge a game called Movie Battles 2, it was a mod for Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. We had cheaters too and they were known, but the guns were different. Slightly slower bullet velocities meant with great reflexes and practice you could manually dodge bullets with some predictive dancing, and you could do stuff like shoot around corners with certain weapons, so it was actually possible to pwn cheaters with skill. I miss the old days when games bothered to be innovative...

Where is the link to the guy's video so we can see the interview?

I learned this lesson in CS1.4, noting like spectating the guy who kills you and seeing their camera flash around and get 180 head shots

I still remember back when I played the original MW2 and started noticing people using lag switches. Some were better at hiding it more than others, but sometimes it was so obvious. Then the cheating went insane with hacks that let you shoot AC130 rounds out of your SCAR-H. Totally killed the game for me and all my friends playing it.

This is like a game inside a game. 🤯

I started playing Single Player Tarkov. I now love Tarkov again.

Asmondgold, talking about Tarkov? Holy Molly, wasn't expecting this to reach him. All hail the Bald King!!

if there were no cheaters, tarkov would be the best game EVER

The fact that i wiggle in every Game that allows it made me think on how many cheaters felt betrayed bye me trying to kill them not knowing that

Never played Tarkov, but in Arma/DayZ the whole hacker union thing started since it was pointless for one guy with god mode to try to kill another guy with god mode. Hence, they started working together instead.

never playing Tarkov again

Just wanna say this video was way more fun to watch than when I watched the original lmao. Even tho I'm an EFT player with 5k hours lol. It legit made me sad to see so many cheaters when I watched the original. And it was a weird and confusing experience cause I've never had that reaction before. I love EFT and I'll probably keep on playing but seeing the game infested with cheaters just ruins the motivation to play and grind.

How long has this been going on? I remember playing this game about a year ago and it felt off like this.

About playing slots, while playing them systematically will absolutely drain you, they also have the biggest payouts. So if you asked me "how to spend my 500$ in a casino?" I'd say go to the slots and bid the largest possible bids, so the multipliers really give you a return. And play until you're out or the moment you triple your money or more. Things like blackjack and poker work in terms of better skills = better odds, but they are designed to chip away at your wallet as well and the payouts are much smaller than when you get lucky in slots.

I think the longstanding issue with Tarkov has been that there's so much incentive to cheat. It's a game where winner takes all. You kill the other players on the map and all the A.I., you get the pick of what all to leave the map with. The game is completely based around knowledge and information, since you aren't given any by the game. Having knowledge of where everyone is, what they're wearing, how dangerous they probably are, if they're running with a group, etc. completely eliminates the possibility of picking bad fights because you position yourself for an easy win, assuming you yourself don't suck at the game. That's just for the people who want easy progression and to stroke their ego by sucking up all the good loot every raid. The other issue that had been plaguing the game but is more or less completely impossible now was RMT (Real Money Transactions) like paying cheaters for items or carries in raids. It is almost completely impossible to buy any valuable items from cheaters now except maybe guns/ammo/armor as you can spawn in with them, kill them for it, and extract, but they can't guarantee you will survive the raid with the gear you bought from them so I imagine less people will be willing to spend real money to take these risks. I would almost argue that most people who have been cheating to this point were probably not RMT sellers, so the ban waves eradicating those people may not reduce the problem all that much. Really sad, honestly. Tarkov is such a unique and fun experience when everything works the way it's supposed to, but knowing how bad it is like Asmon said makes you scratch your head every time you die and go "Did I get Tarkov'd, outplayed, or are they just cheating?" The amount of desync and other engine/server issues makes the problem much worse if you don't know how things like pushers advantage and peaks work as well. Really tragic for a game that has so much potential to be a standout.

the wiggle was used in Fortnite competitive matches for money. If you saw someone out in the open swinging their pickaxe at you that meant they didn't want to fight and you could both rotate or continue looting without worrying about the other person. Eventually epic caught on and started perma banning people using it in tournaments.

Hackers in games are a prime example of why we can not have nice things. There is always someone out to spread dishonor and cowardice and malice.

Woke up in the middle of my sleep. Paused it went back to sleep I coulda sworn this was Charlie but now that I’m fully awake I’m confuzzled now

tarkov is an incredible game made completely unplayable by cheating and unresolved bugs..... rea shame its on another level to alot of shooters

Tarkov is such an amazing game with legitimate players. It is a shame that the cheating is this prevalent

If you think about it it makes perfect sense that the cheaters would avoid fighting because its a level playing field then. At that point it comes down to who gets the angle, who is using aimbot and who gets the first shot off. The cheaters specifically got the cheats because they suck at the game and they NEED an advantage. Keeping in mind that K/D in Tarkov includes AI kills so its not a player K/D as far as I know. As far as I know the game does not calculate PMC K/D unless somehow the cheater software does it.

this video was already so funny to me cause i dont play tarkov anymore, like sucks to suck maybe just dont torture yourself guys?? but seeing asmon panic gasping at the wiggle killed me lmfaoooo

If you are NOT hacking, just randomly wiggle from time to time.... you'll come across the hackers who thinks u know he know, then just pop em' in the head when they are letting their guard down

Genuinely surprised but pleased to see Asmon reach the Tarkov community.

This is the reason i stopped playing shooters like these. Devs are not on top of this anymore. Finding cheaters costs time and money which they dont want to spend. I don't mind someone being better, but when you can't trust someone just having more skill because of the rampant cheating, it just takes all the fun away. I miss playing fps's.

yours has the teleport modifier which might be why it was tping on you, mine just flies away and I just cant kill it :(

That's an interesting behavior in general for a videogame, like how the cheaters had certain community and even they had secret "handshakes" to advise the other players to not shoot you, even more, some level of cooperation when it comes to cheaters finding other stray cheaters. Cheating is bad, of course, but i am interested how they interact more than how they play

Fun fact, this is the case with every multiplayer shooter, players are just more discrete and hide them better in bigger games like COD, Fortnite, R6 siege, etc.

look at that nine months later and the game is still awesome

10 months past and we are back where we started

Tarkov needs a hacker hunter. Someone willing to delve into the darkness of hacks, hunt down those who cheat. Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need, the cheeky boi.

Glad you are shining more light on this video. It deserves all the attention and puts pressure on the developers since it is now hurting potential buyers rather than people who have already bought the game

I only play SPTarkov now since this video came out.

Ok, let me share a funny story though. I had a key end quickly as well. Shadowmoon burial grounds. You'd think it would be a slam dunk. Warrior tank is the key owner. We kill the first 3 mobs. I don't recall if we were too fast or too slow, but i know he chose the wrong side to go due to impatience and charged one of the side groups while the elemental was there. The evoker healer pumps 60k hps but the warrior gets one shot with the melee mobs and the pulse. Probably low geared or didn't pop a defensive. He yells "Healer!". Blames the healer and proceeds to leave, bricking his own key. Like... what even... These people, they just need an excuse. Be it pride or fear. It's far too easy to leave keys. That is a problem.

Funny enough a friend wanted me to get into Tarkov around the start of it, He told me the premise and what to expect. I told him sounds really tough and probably guaranteed to piss me off, what happen if people cheat? Got shrugged off and ended up not playing the game or even hearing about it until this point. Just thinking in a alternate world I could of been teabagged and looted for my crap with my friend by cheaters... feels good playing kirby is all I'm saying.

I think it is kinda sad that the "Wiggle" as gesture is now ruined by cheaters. Because originally it was a gesture used in ArmA 2 DayZ mod that you are not hostile. Even trhough it was later used to fool other players into tricking you they are friendly.

4:01 - private military contractors

Keep in mind, not all of them use ESP. Some only use "Radar" itself so they couldn't see you wiggle. Just position.

ceases to amaze me how asmongold can word things better than every other content creator in a game. You described how the community is feeling to a T. As soon as you know hackers are rampant you have that question in your head after every death.

the cheating is so bad the cheaters actually have to work around the fact they are not the only one seeing everyone acros the map

back in the days i used to play with hacks for a while in pretty much every FPS game just to know what new hacks there are, how efficient they are, how they could be used, and what a typical spot for easy unnoticable hacking is... then i learnt the patterns and could spot a hacker with ease. Most importantly i managed to avoid most of them because even if they have hacks, it's very uncommon that they actually have aimbot on because it's too obvious in killcam etc, they just use hacking for spotting. it made me better as a player when i didn't use hacks, cuz i knew what places to avoid, and early recognized when there was a wallhacker in the game.