Unfortunately people are too sensitive to allow others to have their own opinions I could give a thesis on this topic as I have lived it

Member when metal didn't care about what society thought of them. I miss those days.

I wish I was a musician with a giant following. I would speak my mind and when they try to cancel me I’d just tell them to fuck off.

Being woke nowadays is much gayer than being gay per se.

We don’t get a second chance at all. It’s kinda like “changing as a person” isn’t in the ideology. It’s strange how we talk about diversity and inclusivity, but only when it comes to looks but not when it comes to thought.

Imagine having to be on tour with these snakes knowing that they re-recorded all the vocals and ditched CJ via an Instagram post...

People are forgetting that if we can't use our words, the only other option is fighting. That's why we communicate in the first place. When cancel culture closes down the ability for discourse, ill never understand their surprise at the fight they find themselves in.

I'm glad somebody other than myself feels like this is the one space where you should be able to have an opinion considering most of the lyrical content is shock value for the most part Edit: also super dope you do stuff with Sea Shepard. I found out they're one of the main sponsors for brutal assault

its absolutely ridiculous that his former bandmates would do this or use this incident as an excuse for firing him when they have been making music about and stand behind the subject matter they have been writing about for half a decade now plus he basicly has carried the band since hes been theyre vocalist. its so messed up im torn by this

Sure, CJ made his point clumsily. And gender warriors / identity politics zealots can shoot the messenger all they want. But the message itself is one of concern about a cult-like ideology and the damage it does to kids and youth.

They think they are above criticism. They also claim to want equality but are the first ones to point out why your different and wrong.

As someone who was raised in the lgbt community and was groomed and traumatized by the shit I was exposed to by them I really appreciate CJ for speaking out for kids. I wish someone would have spoken up for me as a kid. I don't care what people say. Protect your kids.

It’s crazy how people gave Tim lambesis a pass but cj doesn’t

CJ is a great man he lived within 300 metres of my place in Cambridge gardens he is and still remains the only person that I trusted to babysit my kids this was over 12 years ago he is extremely fortunate in having a great family with a great and strong standing in the local community he’s a great friend and a man of morals and honesty My kids now 25 and 22 still love him and still see him albeit once a year when he along with the band would perform in Penrith basically his hometown. He’s a great guy and a true friend. Regards Legin

Metal is the scene that I was hoping / believed wouldn’t be affected by woke-ism.

Awesome man, you nailed it, thank you for speaking your mind on this. Keep it metal 🤘

We need to stop pretending that having a thought is a crime an opinions arent dangerous or scary people are pathetic need to grow up

Awesome TED talk! Appreciate your 'cojones' to do so, and in a humble and honest way. My two cents... We are in the era of "Guilty until proven Innocent" and not the other way around.

Thanks for breaking this situation down, I watched the rockfeed video and they didn’t even give the context of what CJ said.

We went to metal to escape from the bullshit of society and metal says fuck you to that, now it's joining the woke movement. Really sad.

So nice to see someone address all this

Metal bands used to upset people of varied genders, religions, ethnicity, sexual orientations, and political beliefs. Nowadays, the only people metal bands upset are metalheads.

Good content brother! Somebody was finally brave enough to tackle this issue. Metal can't be canceled. Woke bandmembers may fall victim to it, but true Metalheads will still follow a bunch of bands who's moral, religious, and political stance's don't match their own. I love a lot of bands who's members may conflict with my belief system be it through their lyrics or their personal choices in life. I also listen to a lot of punk bands that are extreme leftists (I.E. Leftover Crack) who's lyrics and lifestyles are a far cry from my own. So what! I don't believe that my way of seeing things is the one true way. People are different. I fully embrace differences be them politically, religious or other peoples personal choices. These woke people are intolerant hypocrites. Be woke all you want, just stop trying to brutally force your beliefs on the rest of us.

I see why CJ got fired from that post. Australia is a shitshow right now.

Preach on, brother!!! Ive been feeling the same way for what feels like a decade now... everybody wants to flag everyone else for saying anything "outside the lines", but that is ALSO opinion!! That's the same as saying "your opinion is wrong,but mine is right!" Isn't that what we're trying to het away from as a society?!?!

I feel metal scene is becoming such a loveless scene where its not about unity when you like something and its more about provocative and if you say something against lgbtq or something that is not political correct people start cancel you although metal was a subculture that was meant to be about unity welcoming and respect also metal used to be a rebellous genre that is against social norms

Good job, very well spoken, couldn't have said it better myself. ❤

It all boils down to the statement:'everyone is entitled to their own opinion (unless its not the same opinion as me)'

I think social media to some extent has made some people so self centered that they can only make or consume music they morally agree with, and stupid enough to think because the band write such horrible lyrics that they must be a potential rapist or nazi. It is as though we are going back to the way it was in the 1970s -1980s with Judas Priest sitting in court.

Thanks 👍🏻

Holy shit, you DID make a shirt out of it. I love you, man. 🤘🏻❤️ And honestly, you could put this entire video on a shirt.

This video is so truthful and honest...I love how it's not sugar coated

Well this will be the last thy art record I care about, unless they have absolute bangers from now on like they have been.

i respect your beliefs @DjentBeard. do i agree with them all probably not. im a very hardcore Christian that loves metal. as a metal community we need to rally around eachother and respect others beliefs and opinions regardless of whether we agree or not. im of the belief of if your not physically hurting someone leave them alone. love you and hail metal

Off topic question: If People of better being a certain way I’m speaking gay or trans than who are you to judge them ?

love your statement man 🤘 very well done, i fully agree

Thank you for this

Great point of view!!! Greetings from Bolivia 🇧🇴!!!

He should go completely independent, we all know that it wasn't the band that got him kicked out but the "higher ups" that dictate everything around the record company.

That beard is very Djenty

It's about time someone spoke up about this. I really hope its not the majority of the population that is this stupid. If it is I'm not sure how long the scene is gonna last, its turned into pathetic shriveled up homunculus

This is going to be a long comment so skip if you don't want to read. I am a trans person. Knew pretty much my whole life I was born with the wrong parts. Came out as trans once I knew what transgender was and have had surgery since. I am pissed that people want to put laws into place that restrict or outright ban my ability to get the medical care I need. I will say I agree to a certain level that the LGBTQ+ is partly to blame as well. I fully believe we need to push for equal rights and protections, but I know there is a select few in the community that do more harm by, as you said, shoving it down peoples throats. The hypocrisy in the community upsets me so much. I just want to live in a country where I have full rights and protections without people sayin I am disgusting and deserve to be burned for being myself. And I will also add that no one is forcing kids to get surgery and drag queens aren't predators. If people would take the 5-10 minutes to actually research this, they'd see its just bullshit lies to push the mostly religious-conservative narrative that it should be banned. (THOUGH there are maybe a handful of cases that I have read about parents forcing it on their kids for whatever reason but that's a SUPER RARE thing and I don't believe any kid even got surgeries or hormones. I could be wrong so feel free to POLITELY correct me if I am wrong.) That being said, on the topic of Thy Art firing CJ, I am split on the issue. People have the rights to their opinions as long as their opinions aren't bigotry or wishing harm/death to someone else, say what you want. I also feel like a lot of celebrities fail to realize that they are more seen than the average person. They have a large audience and sometimes that audience will disagree with their opinions. And most certainly someone can't predict or control how others feel about a statement. I know I will have people who agree and disagree with what I say here and that's okay. While I think as a whole its sad for someone to lose their job over their opinions, in CJ's case, I wonder if he took a moment to think about pressing post. The hate transgender and gender-nonconforming people are getting right now is honestly unwarranted. It's the hot-button item right now so of course everyone wants to put their 2 cents in. But there is a better way to go about saying it. I know CJ will never see this but I genuinely hope he will look into things more than just a surface level to get a full understanding of the transgender community and what we deal with. If his genuine concern was for kids, I'm glad but as I said way earlier, it pretty much doesn't happen. We just want to be able to be ourselves without someone hurling garbage at us. Anyways, thanks to those that read this essay. Hope your days and nights go well

love this video!

Exactly this!

I regret preordering their latest album. I listened to a bit before I heard the news, & fucking knew something sounded off. Can’t wait to hear what CJ does next!

You are going to piss off a lot of people with this and I love it! 😂

Thank you Djent for addressing this situation. Regards from a 52 y o metal fan from Moscow! Stand a 100% by what you said about modern metal scene getting all soy and degenerate through adhering to pc dictatorship.

Amen to everything you said.

Don't talk about black metal? It's one of the most metal genres!

My source for Alice Cooper was wrong. Alice Cooper spoke on transgender care out of concern for the youth, not out of religion. Please don't cancel me.

Agree 100% ❤

Metal has always been the playground for the weirdos. I don't say that as an insult. As a teen female in the 80s,I was safer and treated with respect at thrash metal shows. I went to Rollins Band shows (89-91) with my best friend, and we were the only girls in the pit,up front, at small clubs, to the point that Henry recognized us and had a female friend keep half an eye on us. But we were fine. Rob Halford was in the closet for years, and Lemmy would spit on cancel culture. I saw Metallica w/ Cliff Burton open for Ozzy and the whole stadium seats were pulled apart and thrown all over, just totalled and we had a great time. Ozzy was asked about it the next day and he laughed and said he'd pay for the damage ! And this was 1986. My brother is five years younger than me and saw what I wore to high school... my denim jacket with a Judas Priest patch on the back. To my college prep courses. He listened to what I was listening to, and then started playing bass. He's the one who was a bouncer at a strip club, and who got me into Gojira. And I'm from New Jersey, a bridge and tunnel girl who went to NYC for shows. My brother knew one of my best friends was a gay male, and he also knew my friends were a mixed bag of people, because I was not a groupie but I had friends who were, I was not about giant hair and bustiers... I loved L7 (and still do). I only found out about Thy Art Is Murder from the Slaves Beyond Death video of a live show that is hilarious and I wanted to be in that pit !!! The biggest and best thing about metal is it has always been a place for humor as well as political commentary ... my brother's school principal told him he could not wear his Metallica Metal Up Your Ass teeshirt *the toilet with the knife sticking up out of it*, and my brother worked at a gas station and bought his clothing. He told his principal, ":listen, mister, when you buy my clothes you can tell me what to wear" ... which this adult thought my parents should come in for a chat about. My brother was just wearing a teeshirt at school, he wasn't making a statement other than he was a Metallica fan and it was to him a funny shirt. So my parents went and said they were fine with his shirt and were fine with their kids listening to whatever music, reading whatever we wanted (my brother had dyslexia, so for me it was read but Mark it was music and taking apart engines). Really puzzled the guy, but my dad was proud of my brother for saying what he said. My brother is not a big talker. He is, however, a father of a nine year old girl who is really doing well in martial arts and competing, and is a big Gojira fan, and also older stuff, because as a teen my brother was Beavis on a Cornholio bender 24-7. He went to see White Zombie tripping on acid with his best friend and they were rolling around on the floor .. just laughing and nobody was bothering them, in fact, many people up front were also just enjoying themselves. My brother loved Sean (the female bassist) and ended up getting the same bass she played. Ignorance and Fascism go hand in hand, and they have no sense of humor, satire, catharsis, or a feeling of community based on mutual like of a band or a book or a movie... or women wanting to have birth control, men wanting to be who they are and not try to pretend they re something they're not. Pantera was a BIG ONE for me and my brother, especially Walk. Just play it and listen to the song. Pantera now is just Anselmo trying to make a buck, but Zakk is there out of love for Dimebag. Who is right ? Man, I don't know, Iiked Metallica and Megadeth, still love Anthrax, and now love Jinjer and Clutch. "YOU CAN'T BE SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT / BE YOURSELF BY YOURSELF STAY AWAY FROM ME". Respect. Walk. Are you talking to me ? Walk on home, boy... My rant. Cancel culture can suck my left one.

Imagine listening to Metal and crying about; "Hate", every heard of Black Metal?

modern metal sucks in old days (I wasn't even alive back then :D ) you could say anything you want

Alex Terrible rules 🖤

Very well said!!

This vid is so spot on. 🤘🏻

I started listening to metal to escape reality but now its tainted by the wokeness bullshit like can we just tune to Eb standard again and play downpicking riffs and worship slayer

Naw it’s just deathcore no one would give a F in death metal or thrash

completely agree

Ansioso pela volta do CJ em um projeto novo, ele é um monstro do rock 🤘 🎸

Crazy thing is he was the only guy left from the original lineup. He should kick the rest of the guys out, not the other way around..

Finally ❤

The band FIRED CJ and clearly stated that his comment was not the reason for the firing. Just another straw on the camel

Great argument. Just gotta say, it can be used on both sides. Same exact argument can be used to support the band. That spark that you said fades away quickly goes both ways. People only care about CJ until the next “shiny object” gets our attention. True, people that dont know the full story went along with the offended side. But also people that dont know the full story took CJs side. You’re right, nobody cares if you’re LGTBQ. Just as much as no one cares if you’re against cancel culture. That’s one thing we can all do as a while world. We dont give a fuck.

well said mate

And this is why I watch reaction videos. Because it´s good to see if pepole agree with your type of opinion or if they have a different point of view on things. It´s totally okay to have your own opinion. That is why we are different individuals.

CJ & Alice 4 lyfe!

Stop the falg cult .

Some woke bands to mention in case anybody wanna know who they are and stop listening to their wokeass music👇🏻: Thy Art Is Murder To The Grave Fever 333 Ocean ate alaska Hacktivist Architects Polaris Darkest Our Parkway drive The Ghost Inside Arch Enemy Motionless in white Year of the knife Power trip Rammstein Venom prison Epica Within temptation At the gates Dying fetus Heaven shall burn Gojira

It's really terrible to see them label CJ as a Nazi, rapist, and homophobe on the internet. He is portrayed as a person he absolutely is not. Truly alarming.

Metal is (NOT)SUPPOSED TO BE butthurt!!!! I stand with CJ. Take us back to the 80s and 90s to many weak ass people nowadays

The magical thing about the internet machine is that I, as a straight, conservative, Christian, find myself agreeing completely with a bisexual theistic Satanist and with total respect, and as far as I can tell, the world hasn't imploded yet

Im with all 3, people got issues

tinha que ser igual oa black metal anos ,falava o que tinha que ser dito ,doa a quem doer .

OPINIONS COUNT. THE WOKE DOES NOT COUNT ALL ALL

CJ SHOULD HAVE NOT SAID What he said BUT HIS BAND now SUCKS

Metal has been my outlet for venting out all my frustrations and pent up emotions, and it is the last thing I want to be ruined by this nonsense. Christ, this is no longer a world I want to live in.

no one in the comments even read the statement from thy art is murder. cj was fired because he was being a huge asshole to the band, and then dared them to fire him. so they obliged.

4 rules of real men was before Alex terrible reviewed sleep token

Hey, cool discussion. But from an Australian perspective this whole discussion (mostly) is purely a product of American culture, this seems so foreign to hear about that it’s actually a thing Please lighten up, chill out over there in the US 👍🇦🇺🤘

My brain is screaming along with all the metal heads from all this crap. Metal has always been a thought provoking super individual machine screaming an expressing itself because.. thats METAL! ppl who say woke every 5mins of course find issue with all metal and post negativity about every opinion these bands have and the scene in general shouldn't be effected by woke crappers. Now bands firing ppl over others opinions an its SICK!!

Thy art is murder is the shit

Peste Noire would never become woke lol

metal is and has always been polarizing and it his always been about rebelling against social constructs. that's why it's metal. it's just a heavier form of punk music. hardcore is where punk meets metal in the middle. all that said, this video was fantastic. you deserve more subscribers and you just got one. 😎

freedom of speech seems everyone has forgotten that. ill have my opinion's and really dnt care wht anyone thinks. anything tht anyone says is not gonna hurt anyone as much as the reactions of the offended it seems.... my feelings got hurt oh noooo....thts fuckin stupid as hell lol.

They can hate it doesn't change the fact its true that's why all they do is cry they cant actually engage with the argument

Not very metal to give a shit what soft people think

I agree with you inside moshpit, no one cares about political agenda we just moshing around without any care about outside world But nowadays, these overly sensitive cancel culture people just make everything need to be filtered and we can't all out enjoying everything anymore. Don't get me wrong I'm not homophobic transphobic or anything, but I miss where every platform work the way it was, without any care about anything that happens outside the pit, where we can release ourself without fearing to do anything "politically wrong". Because in true essence of metalpit: "everyone got shit!" I just wanna say to them: "Just grow up a little dammit, don't be offended by every single things in the world 😡"

this is why I dont listen to metal music in the usa and I live here . I got for my music in other countries . they are normal. Metal = anti establishment

Do you like kim dracula ?

I love when metal bands are awake... not woke ... huge differences in those. Molotov Solution would fall in that category of being awake. Nonstop truths. I heard theyre releasing new stuff maybe. Hopefully they stay with ths common sense lyrics and not go woke social justiceyy...

Life's tough, get a helmet! Interesting message dude, quite libertarian (the part about minding your business and not trying to shove it down people's throats).

LMAO

I was just in an argument yesterday because I like Alex Terrible lol. I got told because he has a natzi tattoo that makes me a genocide supporter lmao?! Alex isnt a fucking natzi nor does Alex or I support Genocide 😂

Right! If someone is bullied, just sit and watch the world falls!

Taim is dead to me

Well Said Man

but.. but... but... :( my opinions ... not my opinions :( ... anything but my opinions :( - fans relate to their music and when artists make their opinions known like that, they alienate their following. It's almost like they dont understand that a full spectrum of people are fans, and the angry woke people arent coming for them, they were already there in the room, they used to be fans and related to the music. Their anger is closer to betrayal than vindication - you think youre hard until the gays come for you, this is the lesson. Real lesson would be more just stfu and stick to music mate and vice versa.

Complaining about wokeness, especially in context of defending a band with a whole anti religion album. “Die for Christ, die for Allah, die for Jerusalem, die for Torah”. Anti wokeness seems like it comes from a religious standpoint. And the band said that cj was trying to take it down, so regardless of what he believed, that is unacceptable