Go to tryfum.com/ORANGERIVER or scan the QR code and use code ORANGERIVER to get your free FÜM Base when you order your Journey Pack today.
@nickrowell64782 күн бұрын
I would absolutely love to live in a timeline where we didn't abandon space exploration, so I'm there.
@Brukner8412 сағат бұрын
we're just gonna leapfrog at some point.
@Dboy35043 күн бұрын
It's a very underrated serie. One of the best shows to date.
@Dr.Kananga3 күн бұрын
It's not underrated, the viewership was solid until they started pushing social agendas into the script and eventually became repetitive.
@OrangeRiver3 күн бұрын
@Dr.Kananga "Started pushing social agendas into the script" like...equality?? I will say that a lot of Ellen's storyline and the legalization of gay marriage in 2000 stretches suspension of disbelief, but it's also a glimpse into a world that could have been if progress weren't held back for decades
@esceri13 күн бұрын
@@Dr.Kananga Didn't it always address social issues? In the first season a woman is landed on the moon, which pressures America to also begin training women, accelerating the women's rights movement, culminating in the Equal Rights Amendment being passed. That's all in season 1.
@Dr.Kananga3 күн бұрын
@@OrangeRiverI agree with that, but it felt so forced and crammed it became repetitive, the theme of space flight became just a background for a soap opera. This has been happening across several series across the board, and eventually removed the fun or interest from watching them.
@Dr.Kananga3 күн бұрын
@@esceri1 Which is fine, I never said it wasn't. But it's that kind of topic that goes along well when there's the right amount in it. Too much hot sauce ruins the dish.
@dramonmaster2223 күн бұрын
Thanks for doing this video on "For All Mankind". I've heard good things about the series.
@kowmangbeltalowda75843 күн бұрын
It's a soap opera in space, unwatchable.
@bitter_one13363 күн бұрын
@@kowmangbeltalowda7584Sir. What are space operas?
@PauperJ3 күн бұрын
@@bitter_one1336 "Malor Pagoda" is a wonderful Klingon opera.
@Tylerpierre99Күн бұрын
It's not a soap opera in space. It has drama in which it follows characters lives which are important to the storyline. It's not an epic space show about aliens and space battles. It's grounded in realism and much of the show, despite being set in space, is in fact set in the past, by our perspective, 60s to 2000s and beyond.
@PauperJ3 күн бұрын
The world for all mankind would be so much greater if Worf was allowed to win poker games again. Thank you Orange River for bringing this to our attention.
@comcast25003 күн бұрын
apple does a terrible job promoting its shows. I never knew this show existed, but now I want to watch it
@OrangeRiver3 күн бұрын
A lot of these streaming services do a terrible job promoting their shows, sadly :/
@beezelbuzzel3 күн бұрын
Too early to tell, but I dare say, that thumbnail switch was a good idea lol. Jokes aside, This seems like a super neat show that I may have to check out. Also, I like the fact that it's a longer video and that you were outside for some of it. I have no idea why that made me happy, but it did haha.
@OrangeRiver3 күн бұрын
😂 Nice
@Tylerpierre99Күн бұрын
It's a very interesting show if you'd enjoy a 'What if?' look at our history, if things had run on a slightly different trajectory and space exploration didn't fizzle out in the 70s and just charged ahead without stopping.
@TysonPower3 күн бұрын
Ok, for new ppl getting into the show it starts slow first season but wait it out. It gets so damn good.
@Tylerpierre99Күн бұрын
It does start slow. For good or worse, it does linger a little in the early days of NASA (when compared to later seasons) perhaps a little longer than needed. But once the show finds it's feet, each season roughly follows a decade and time jumps between seasons and keeps things fresher and interesting as it goes on.
@johnward57263 күн бұрын
My favorite part of the show is the nuclear power. Like, they don't get all NIMBY and surprise surprise global warming is just solved like it's nothing.
@ruskiwaffle19913 күн бұрын
FAM is one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched.
@bigzed79083 күн бұрын
Hi Bob!
@DougVanDorn10 сағат бұрын
One of the early changes in the characters of historical people was in how Mike Collins was portrayed during their version of Apollo 11. After the dicey landing, while Houston couldn't communicate with the LM, "For All Mankind" has Collins stating that he had gone over it with the mission planners before they left, and he was NOT coming home alone. They have him insisting that they either find Neil and Buzz, or they could say sayonara to the entire crew. Whereas, in real life, in his autobiography, Collins wrote of his actual perspective on the prospect -- that if Neil and Buzz failed to return from the landing attempt, "I am coming home, forthwith. But I will be a marked man for life, and I know it." To me, this was one of the biggest shifts in an historical character that the writers created. Later on in the series, altered events and the introduction of more fictional characters made such changes a lot rarer.
@scpguy13812 күн бұрын
15:50 , small correction but Starship uses methane no Hydrogen
@KingOfMadCows3 күн бұрын
It's the Star Trek prequel you never knew you wanted.
@Lynxdoc13 сағат бұрын
Maybe mirror universe prequel especially with what went down in the last season. Ron Moore did work on Trek.
@sabkobds2 күн бұрын
I presume, the Jamestown mention in The Expanse is Naren Shankar's way to honor his friendship with Ron D Moore. Since, they are good friends since Star Trek days and they even tried to develop a TV show together after Star Trek and before BSG, Ron talked about this somewhere. And The Expanse is known for a lot of references for the pop cultural things they like.
@JohnClark-tt2bl3 күн бұрын
I never knew this show existed. GG Apple, just keep this stuff a secret.
@giorgiopalmas79342 күн бұрын
It's great- check it out. Great musical drops too.
@stink17013 күн бұрын
Great video! Seriously one of the best shows of the last 30 years. I'm pretty excited to see what happens in season 5. Word on the street is that Ron Moore wrote it as a 7 season arc. So fingers crossed!
@nigel-Rollercam-channel3 күн бұрын
I like the concept of For All Mankind, the visuals, the realistic progression of the technology, the movement forward on equality and society, but for me the melodrama was tedious to watch and I haven't seen any episodes passed season 4. The Expanse is top of the heap for me
@MatthewCaunsfield2 күн бұрын
Great summary of the show so far. The points of early divergence were especially interesting.
@Stephen171162 күн бұрын
Thanks for all your hard work man!
@DanielSolis3 күн бұрын
Hell yes! Glad you're covering this show.
@gr8tbigtreehugger2 күн бұрын
Very excellent work, as always! Many thanks - much appreciated!
@rixxey20483 күн бұрын
can't wait to watch this!! I haven't finished the series but wow, S1 was awesome. S2 is really good so far.
@liegeoflunacy10 сағат бұрын
I imagine their "internet" is closer to what we had in the 80s and 90s. Honestly, direct dial bulletin boards and forums, with the addition of Usenet and d-mail is all the Internet we really ever needed
@XXTacoBellLovaXX2 күн бұрын
"We come in peace for all mankind" ... in the middle of a cold war pissing contense
@Melkur19812 күн бұрын
This show is absolutely wonderful. It's the sort of niche sci-fi that appeals to this old Star Trek riddled brain, and I hope that Moore gets his 7 seasons. The attention to detail is phenomenal, and im so glad that you've pointed out things I've never noticed before. Im not sure if I'd want to live in that world, but I hope that we can achieve some of the things we've seen so far.
@fulmerduckworth82813 күн бұрын
I love this show, I'm so glad you are covering it.
@lgoamity3 күн бұрын
Glad to see more reviews of this Alt History Sci-Fi/Drama
@ryanodoherty40902 күн бұрын
Great video. I don't think the series could work as a star trek prequel as Danny mentions the tv show and ensuring her grandson will be a trekkie.
@Squato2 күн бұрын
One small bit from season four of For All Mankind is that you can see that both the GBA and PSP exist. Which, seeing as that was a year before it was released in our world. Opens a lot of questions up. Or was lazy set dressing, your call! The point is that the events in question happens during 2003. You can see it when a shipment of black market items makes it down for the crew at Happy Valley. This is interesting, as the PSP was released in Japan in late 2004, then later in 2005. Which means either the PSP was getting a more larger release earlier, or someone scored a Japanese only released item at release for it to be sent to Mars. Since both the GBA and PSP are in their boxes, and not stored in smaller packs. So clearly, even with the advances in tech happening, both devices are able to hit the market in much the same shape as they do in our own time. Devices that, in theory, might be less tech advanced against what the competition was otherwise able to put out (since smarter mobile phones are more mass market in that timeline). But there is more points raised by this. The main reason the PSP existed is because Sony wanted to steal the thunder of Nintendo in our timeline. Due to the events around the development of the SNES CD addon, Sony used this to fuel their anger and listened to the guy telling them to make a console (who later got to be their CEO). So the question is if Nintendo and Sony had been fated to follow the same path that lead to the creation of both handheld consoles at that point in time? Or is there more going on? It is a silly, but fun element of working out how the worldbuilding might have gone with the setting.
@ampersand20013 күн бұрын
LET'S GET STARTED!@!!!@!@!@!
@balung3 күн бұрын
Should be on his Tshirts.
@joserubenrodriguezfuentes3 күн бұрын
I Would Say that "For All Mankind" be "Unofficial Prequel" to The Awesome "The Expanse" xd
@OrangeRiver3 күн бұрын
Wait till the end for my thoughts on that :D
@acarrillo82773 күн бұрын
It's not though. In the world of "The Expanse" the environmental damage is more in line with our current world. "For all Mankind" world the environmental damage had begun remediating by the mid oughts. If "The Expanse" had been based on the "For All Mankind" world we would be much further out and much more developed though out the solar system. That time line had Fusion drive ships running between Earth and Mars in the early 21st century when in "The Expanse" the Mars colony really hadn't even had the seeds of it planted till the mid or late 21st century.
@rixxey20483 күн бұрын
that would be a really fun connection if they could make it work haha
@cowsagainstcapitalism3473 күн бұрын
NO, absolutely not. Why would you suggest such a depressing idea?
@OrangeRiver3 күн бұрын
@cowsagainstcapitalism347 The MCU broke people's brains and now everything has to be connected XD
@augurseer3 күн бұрын
Love this show
@draupnir239 сағат бұрын
Thanks for making this video. I really enjoyed binging this show and I’m happy they’re working on a new season!
@Pengu1n1113 күн бұрын
I bloody love For All Mankind!!!
@darrensmith69992 күн бұрын
Absolutely Love this show!
@sw-gs2 күн бұрын
You forgot to mention that in 1981 Poland goverment did not declared Martial Law, hence intervention of Soviets was needed. They took over county and with it all coal and steelworks production centers that was there, so economy and capabilities of producing more material for space flight was increased by large margin.
@andrebarbosa2243 күн бұрын
It's a Mobile Suit Gundam prequel guys
@OrangeRiver2 күн бұрын
😂
@shaggycan3 күн бұрын
Even though lack of technology was always given as the reason as 'why not...' it was always the lack of will. There was nothing we couldn't have done back then, it would have just been bulkier. We could build Babylon 5 right now if we came together as a race and got it done. There is nothing on that station we can't do right now.
@crakkbone3 күн бұрын
I love this channel.
@bofostudio2 күн бұрын
l live in Latvia, a country whose citizens were in the process of being displaced by Russians during the Soviet era. Latvia as a nation simply would not exist in this timeline. So no, I'm very grateful that isn't the universe we inhabit.
@johnbrandon54932 күн бұрын
In THIS show's timeline a LOT of things happen differently...and I'd likely have gone to work for a private space company! I like it there!
@catfancier2702 күн бұрын
Love that show!
@quinnsoutar21963 күн бұрын
I've heard it described as a "spiritual predecessor" to Star Trek as opposed to a literal one. Asking the question of how you get to the sort of universe depicted in those shows. There are some really strong nods to this, namely the increasingly warm ties between the US and USSR paralleling their implied quasi-merger in TOS (much more evident from interviews with those involved). Honestly my guess is this is largely why the USSR was kept around. My money is on something like that unfolding in the remaining 3 planned seasons - knowing RDM and hints dropped so far, probably the last season and with the long-rumored "Starship" as a focal point. But that's just my speculation.
@sinisterintelligence35683 күн бұрын
Bought the first season and now I'm HOOKED!!!
@Rebun24Күн бұрын
Great video. FAM is easily up there with the best sci-fi shows of this century.
@alex304252 күн бұрын
The For all Mankind easter egg in The Expanse more has to do with the Expanse showrunner being a writer for season 1 of FAM.
@pyeitme5083 күн бұрын
YES!
@OllamhDrab3 күн бұрын
That's really helpful. :) (I've only gotten to see scattered episodes at a friend's house so it's a little hard to keep up. :) )
@jeremy-b3 күн бұрын
Got about 1/3 of the way through before I realized I should probably watch this! Didn't even know about it, and it has Joel Kinneman who is a favorite of mine.
@chudmonkeyКүн бұрын
Kinneman's character is a gut-wrenching portrait of the sort of old-school military-discipline "man's man" who would have been quite respectable in the 60s but who weren't allowed to have emotions or weakness. The show makes you love the character and then makes you watch him gradually sabotage his entire life and legacy. It's gotta be a great performance, because it makes me very, very angry.
@worldofdoom9952 күн бұрын
Great video. I don't like supporting Apple, but I might get this service just to watch this series.
@iindium4915 сағат бұрын
This seems more like a time travelers check list then a show recap.
@OrangeRiver11 сағат бұрын
? I mean, videos like these are always lore breakdowns and examinations of alternate worlds. I try explicitly NOT to make them just "show recaps"
@iindium4911 сағат бұрын
@@OrangeRiver I meant it as a compliment.
@OrangeRiver4 сағат бұрын
@iindium49 Fair enough 👍👍
@shaggycan3 күн бұрын
I think Naren Shankar works on both shows, FAM and The Expanse
@jameskelly35022 күн бұрын
I love this show!! But, In the first season the writers were dedicated to an element of realism. It was very believable. However, by season 2, they made a lot of decisions that could never happen such as sending a space shuttle to the moon or solving nuclear fusion. I was disappointed, but I'm over it. 10/10 would recommend this show.
@jameskelly3502Күн бұрын
22:42 I know everything space related gets lumped in with Musk. However, the character "Dev Ayesa" has a lot more in common with "Steve Jobs" than Elon Musk. Which makes sense, since this series is made by Apple.
@zacharythomas8617Күн бұрын
Hi Bob.
@thatsounditmakes91773 сағат бұрын
I love this show.
@RodBlanc2 күн бұрын
I would love to live in for all mankind world! For All Mankind and The Expanse are my favortie shows of all time, and although we lost The Expanse I hope For All Mankind keep making seasons well into the future! It might not be a prequel but it sure damn could be a spiritual successor.
@Iwanbezbrody22 сағат бұрын
Some political developments in the show seem more sci-fi than nuclear fusion, nuclear drives or Mars colony in 2003, probably the greatest s-f show right now
@jamdoodles3 күн бұрын
I mean Dev seems to be an actually intelligent human being and not someone who relies exclusively on people interviewing him never asking hard questions so, yeah the parallels aren’t really that strong
@OrangeRiver3 күн бұрын
😂 This is very true
@jameskelly35022 күн бұрын
Dev is literally a brilliant, successful physicist, whereas the "other guy" is more of a classic "fake it till you make it type"
@alexneff3 күн бұрын
OR is like ima stand by a bridge it will look cool ... it did
@alexneff3 күн бұрын
Way better then the handicapeable spaces
@debe9683 күн бұрын
CyberEd. I still believe.
@brucereynolds97083 күн бұрын
I could certainly see it as a prequel to "The Expanse" but not Star Trek...well, in the mirror universe perhaps. OK, now I'm confused
@einyv2 күн бұрын
I liked the series
@liegeoflunacy3 күн бұрын
The FAM timeline is so advanced they got eight years of Reagan over with by 1984 😂
@OrangeRiver2 күн бұрын
LMFAO
@mosser-wm3dxКүн бұрын
The major reason i keep my apple sub. I can only access it on my pc and living room smart tv lol. I like space dramas, so im biased af.
@frankbalon8132 күн бұрын
The Beatles get back together in 1975. I'm all in.
@treavy-n1d3 күн бұрын
I’m a socalist I would live in that universe
@giorgiopalmas79342 күн бұрын
They wouldn't want you.
@mrsrhardy2 күн бұрын
@@giorgiopalmas7934 Russias collapse was sad and our exploitation was borderline evil but they found thier way back and now russia is a clean, functional and safe place (for now) to have a family and achieve your goals! The USA went from its heights, to today. They cant compete, they cant play fair becuse they know they will loose and all the sell if fear and death around the world or cal it what it is, peace on thier terms! The world is saying NO to them like they said no to jewish (heaven on earth, without god) theology Communism. Good riddence to them both IMO
@genmaicha.lapsangКүн бұрын
@@mrsrhardy Russia is not that. It's still chocked with poverty, pollution and oppression.
@ComradePhoenix3 күн бұрын
As someone watching the show for the first time with my gfs, and we haven't yet gotten past Season 2 Episode 2, thanks for the spoiler warning!
@wlewisiii2 күн бұрын
It's utterly unbelievable. There is no way, even had the designer lived, that the N1 would have been anything other than a bomb on the launch pad. Period. I can't get enough suspension of disbelief to bother trying to watch that show.
@bofostudio2 күн бұрын
Agreed. The depiction of science, geopolitics and economics are just too facile for me to be able to suspend disbelief.
@juhilla74912 сағат бұрын
The artificial gravity, rotating part of the Helios spacecraft cannot be done in space as depicted in the film. If this rotating part is placed in the middle of the spaceship so that the two parts are equal in weight, then it can work. Otherwise this is a great series.
@ACS25 сағат бұрын
Is a great show. I just hate those pesky little details that mess with inmersion on the alternative timeline. I think if they ever need to sell DVDs a little post can solve much of it. I still recommend this show. Great space drama.
@mrsrhardy2 күн бұрын
Dad talked out the Russians being first into space, the with a dog and lastly with a man and later a women, while the word seemly flounded, with failure after tradgety... We earnt the moon that hard way but having won, we gave up. What the show does is focuses on the race, sometimes loosing isnt being second, its not trying, giving up or focusing on the wrong thing like being first which while, well and good, isnt the same as exporation, discovery and advancements!
@shaggycan3 күн бұрын
16:45 Once again electric cars have always been a thing, it's never been a lack of technology. The oil industry and the car industry kept them down because they had a monied interest in doing it. Electric cars are much simpler than internal combustion and require less maintainance.
@grokeffer6226Күн бұрын
👍👍👍
@glennlaroche15243 күн бұрын
K holy crap was that Grant MacEwan????
@seanwhelan69603 күн бұрын
Currently Apple has the best sci-fi show out now, For All Mankind. They also have the worst sci-fi on tv, Invasion.
@MrSkills1233 күн бұрын
Love that show, first season was awesome, others are still good to me, but quality is going down
@24karate3 күн бұрын
They were going to blow the moon 😅
@JimNH7773 күн бұрын
That was such a great series first season, good second season... and then sorry I wasn't able to watch what they did with it :/ Such a shame. Premise was just wonderful. But by the time they get to modern times it makes no sense with all the same characters still playing major roles in space race.
@mrsrhardy2 күн бұрын
its not so bad, they handle race, religion (or lack of it in morals and goals set) as well as sexuality as it covers the cliniton sex scandal and obomas bi-sexuality which he was forced to deny to win his first term but allowed him to expand on the dont ask, dont tell of the millitary. Also the russians wernt all bad, they ddint need 60s race riots and equality bills as communism itself saw to that and 'each to his needs'. Over time Ive watch Russia become better American at the dream/lifestyle and the USA go ever more loony-left and society thats broken and the poor living like they used too under the last days of communism, thier only export, fear death and nato (buy american all you can eat death machines!)
@chheinrich8486Күн бұрын
As a German I officially call this show crap since it keeps my country divided until at least. 2003😢😡
@devifoxe3 күн бұрын
I am greek. greece be communist in that timeline make a lot of sense
@Dr.Kananga3 күн бұрын
An amazing series, unfortunately the plot quality and repetitive characters soured it up.
@Dboy35043 күн бұрын
Very close to our reality, For All Mankind is the most realistic scifi ever produced in my opinion.
@genmaicha.lapsang3 күн бұрын
I disagree, Dune and Hyperon are the most realistic since the humans act like humans.
@Mangoonistgamer123443 күн бұрын
Can you make a for all mankind media and gaming in this scenario video
@NeilEvans-xq8ik3 күн бұрын
Progress is good!
@Hogtownboy13 күн бұрын
Loved this series. Seems like it now coming to pass under Putin
@cowsagainstcapitalism3473 күн бұрын
How so?
@Hogtownboy13 күн бұрын
@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 there is theroy that the Russians blew up a satellite and it damaged the ISS and now they are stuck up there.
@devilx672 күн бұрын
Ascam Ns Aselamm Ascam Nice ladies
@DCMarvelMultiverse3 күн бұрын
When looking at history, NASA had a worse safety record.
@Nickelodeon813 күн бұрын
Awesome. Now, please leave.
@OrangeRiver3 күн бұрын
??????
@genmaicha.lapsang3 күн бұрын
I love Star Trek very much especially the 90s-early 00s. DS9 is my favorite. BUT the problem is that collectivist economics do not work and never have. I may be a broken record but Confucius and Mencius wrote in China 2500-2400 years ago about the need for individuals to have low tax burdens and earn profit for themselves and their immediate families. Why? Because individualism produces the most wealth and innovation. The only reason communism, utopianism, and other left wing ideas spread is due to the force and brutality of those with power. That's why I think "world peace," is quite evil as a concept. Asimov and Rodenberry with "Foundation and Star Trek" were wrong, meanwhile Frank Herbert and "Dune" were right.
@marca588310 сағат бұрын
Ad straight away🤮
@LongshanMusic3 күн бұрын
I am a Communist, so I would definitely want to live in that world.
@OrangeRiver3 күн бұрын
No World Wide Web tho? :(
@Heatx793 күн бұрын
BS
@joseaguilar33233 күн бұрын
@@OrangeRiver That means no Facebook. I'm in
@cowsagainstcapitalism3473 күн бұрын
As a comrade, I would *much* rather live in that world.
@katsarelas19473 күн бұрын
I mean, In this world, the USSR is more advanced…I’m not sure that’s much of a victory for the concept of communism…
@giorgiopalmas79342 күн бұрын
Why does this guy presume we need him to explain the show to us? People who love sci-fi are usually intelligent.
@OrangeRiver2 күн бұрын
Excuse me?? This is a lore breakdown. I'm sorry, I didn't know those were illegal
@MinibikeMike15 сағат бұрын
I like the show, but it could be better. NASA didn't have segregated bathrooms, ever. Black people were not cannon fodder in the Vietnam war and I seriously doubt that white soldiers danced around in KKK attire waving Confederate flags when MLK was assassinated. And the witch hunt on lgtbq community is another laughable aspect of the show, so far. I'm half way through season 2. I love the timeline and premise of the show I just wish the writers would leave politics out of it.
@OrangeRiver4 сағат бұрын
"Leave politics out of it" BRO the Space Race was inherently political, what a fucking stupid point. Besides everything else wrong with your comment, have you heard of the Lavender scare? It was kind of a big deal that heavily involved NASA