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The world's simplest phantom powered condenser microphone design!

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NordicAudioLabs

NordicAudioLabs

3 жыл бұрын

Episode 1: Learn how to build a DIY microphone. Is it really as simple as promised? If you like this video, please comment and let us know. You can support our little family business by visiting nordicaudiolab... and sharing with your friends.

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@deanrussell5901
@deanrussell5901 Жыл бұрын
I've been looking for years how to make this electret devices work on phantom. You are heaven sent!
@revoxjazz8317
@revoxjazz8317 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on doing this with a common condenser microphone capsule, something I never tried to do, honestly. But it’s important that you measure the voltage resulting from this setup at the microphone capsule input so that everyone can see what the resulting value is - something I guess will hover between 3 and 6 volts, starting from the original 48 volts of the Phantom Power. I refer to these values ​​to know that most of small condenser microphone capsules work well with this volt range. You did a good job. Macedo Pinto Portugal
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. The voltage over the capsule depends on the capsule used, and can be trimmed by changing the resistor value. I picked a resistor value I thought would be fairly safe to avoid blown capsules.
@humminglake
@humminglake 2 ай бұрын
I add my gratitude to the rest here!!! Just built mine while watching. Works like a charm!!!!
@minimumexpectationsdiy6013
@minimumexpectationsdiy6013 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great (and simple) circuit. It serves my purposes better than anything I've found, and I'm now using it to refurbish and restore some old, cheap crystal mics.
@alexbozas887
@alexbozas887 3 жыл бұрын
looking foward to episode 2. thank you
@togethermutiny
@togethermutiny 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing, Nordic! You’re awesome video gives me some new ideas for concealing mic’s on film sets! Love the look and sound of the video as well, BTW!
@yikelu
@yikelu 2 жыл бұрын
I've made a couple of similar mics, they were one extra component than this! It's the SimpleP48 circuit, which has an extra series capacitor between capsule negative and pin 2.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, twice as many parts 🙂
@danielesainidesign
@danielesainidesign 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, can you show us a video how you solder a 3 wire connection capsule (as Primo EM273) to an xlr connector for P48 or a minijack for plug-in power please (if possible stereo)? I couldn't find any tutorial on the internet. EM273 may be a better choice for some situations with its higher max SPL. Thx a lot for your attention!
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
The three wire capsules open up a whole new world of possibilities. As you might know, all of these capsules can theoretically be modified to three wires, it's known as the Linkwitz mod. Thanks for the idea, I'll take that into serious consideration. My day job is keeping me from having fun with these.
@Dobrovinskiy
@Dobrovinskiy 3 жыл бұрын
27 kOhm resistor
@LeonardoNerini
@LeonardoNerini 3 жыл бұрын
This was great! Thanks for the knowledge!
@TheWickerShireProject
@TheWickerShireProject 8 ай бұрын
Very nice. Enjoyed that!
@PierreGASMR
@PierreGASMR 2 жыл бұрын
Moi! I found your video while looking for a way to power an EM272 using XLR phantom power the other day. I'm going to try to do what you show in this video and see if it works. Personally, I've enjoyed the "real" time speed of your video and the way you present everything. Also, the hole you made in the wood is a great idea. I struggled the other day soldering the capsule... on a table, haha. By the way, the NU-100K looks beautiful. Anyway, kiitos for this video!
@martoranariccardo
@martoranariccardo 2 ай бұрын
Did you find the exact resistance value for the EM272 by any chance?
@entelekhia
@entelekhia 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!!
@SetoNess
@SetoNess 3 жыл бұрын
That was amazing. Wish you could explain why it works with so little electronics. Thank you
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I will do as you suggest in the next episode!
@MacNifty
@MacNifty 2 жыл бұрын
Electricity and electronics are pretty simple. We want to just increase the power of our signal. We can do that with voltage increased or current or the mix of both. When we do so we also increase the noise if any. I would like to make a phantom powered preamp, compressor, limiter, gate, enhancer, fx and expander with a maximizing summing circuit. A complete Ultimate channel strip that can fit in my coat pocket. A lot of things that we buy are Grander in scale and size so it has a presence and a sort of a visual clout value materialisticly aesthetically. We could though make a selfie stick that has everything in the stick. What's cool about audio is that it's all math playing with a signal. It's not a true three dimensional process but linear. Playing with volts and amps and what it sounds when you run real world physical waves converted into electric energy signal. I like to imagine on day the way we record a physical movement, that one day we will do in reverse. Audio and frequency / volts and amps gets played with on a Terawatt worth of power. Imagine the possibilities of levitation, soil shifting, manipulation of the flow of water or just many new technologies and principles would also develop. If we multiply the processes of audio using more power and multiple amps and transducers I can only imagine what kinds of fun with wave energy and manipulation of solid and organic matter changing stat and shape. "The Force" Magnetics and resonance.
@wibowoab8677
@wibowoab8677 Жыл бұрын
Great job, bro
@shebnikgur
@shebnikgur 2 жыл бұрын
could you please describe your recording setup for this video? Mic, distance from it, acoustic treatment if it present, rough details on preprocessing? It just sounds perfect, nice and deep.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly. It's recorded with the NU-100K, a new microphone I've designed and built, about 35 cm away, above my head so it's off camera. The space is my workshop in a fairly large studio room (120m2) with a high ceiling (7m). Using an old TC Finalizer for a light touch (a few dB) of real-time EQ, compression and limiting.
@MacNifty
@MacNifty 2 жыл бұрын
@@NordicAudioLabs oh yes! The TC Finalizer! Nice!
@paradisenauts
@paradisenauts 6 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation!
@jeremysanchez8118
@jeremysanchez8118 2 жыл бұрын
I did this the other day, I don't know why I did, nor why you did, but I was also surprised that it worked.
@ThePEPEVERACRUZ
@ThePEPEVERACRUZ 10 ай бұрын
es uno de los mejores videos que he visto sobre alimentacion phantom. saludos
@christianolivergalopo2323
@christianolivergalopo2323 2 жыл бұрын
Cool tutorial thank you sir.
@afcabosefios
@afcabosefios Жыл бұрын
JA ESTOU FAZENDO ESSA EXPERIENCIA AQUI EM CASA. OBRIGADO
@tomvalentebaixistacrenteraiz
@tomvalentebaixistacrenteraiz 10 ай бұрын
Amigo você conseguiu fazer? Como ficou?
@JediasHertz
@JediasHertz Ай бұрын
what the resistor does in the circiut? I have 2 unbalanced xlr-xlr cables to use with dynamic mics, but when I plu them in a interface with phantom power activated the dynamic microphone sounds distorted. Can I use the resistor trick to solve it ?
@andybellklas1678
@andybellklas1678 4 ай бұрын
Great video thankyou for making it, would this work in stereo adding 2 capsules in series?
@markussagichnicht5494
@markussagichnicht5494 3 жыл бұрын
Nice :-) ...but: try a vice for holding the components you solder. A (good quality heavy weight) vice holds everything in place from a 1/8" Jack to a complete 3U metal patchbay ;-)
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, tried to use something that anyone could have available and also something that fit in the camera view nicely :-)
@jibjibam
@jibjibam Жыл бұрын
In vice you have to squeeze the components between the jaws, somethines quite strongly. Unless you have rubber pads, cushioning, it feels it is about to damage the stuff.
@user-Limaa
@user-Limaa 3 ай бұрын
can this work with larges capsules? without transitors like that
@reverend11-dmeow89
@reverend11-dmeow89 2 ай бұрын
Thank You for some drunk reason I bought ten bakers dozen electret mic capsules, nothing fancy, along with a couple dozen MEMS mic modules for ESP32 or Arduino use as well. Your lesson shoould get the former to use, finally. ;-) PS now if I could figure-out what, why, and where I put this 172 game controller joysticks to use, other than and tactile art thing. The difference between the electrets with and without FET inside or not? then two-pin or three? what is up with those choices, Maestro? Something about where the power is hooked in? take care
@user-Limaa
@user-Limaa 3 ай бұрын
nice how to make tube pre amp even microphones
@ricardomendes1986
@ricardomendes1986 2 жыл бұрын
Por favor, qual resistor vc usou?
@mohammadzare9927
@mohammadzare9927 4 ай бұрын
That was good stuff !😅
@thoyibbasarah6312
@thoyibbasarah6312 Ай бұрын
Do we need one to chasis?
@jamesrocks300mf
@jamesrocks300mf 4 ай бұрын
old vid but maybe youll answear and please do. is there a general rule for resistor value vs capsul size? or is the resister value you used good for any size capsul?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 4 ай бұрын
The best resistor value depends on the FET inside the capsule, so far I think all capsules I've tested worked. If you can, measure the voltage across the capsule and compare with the capsule datasheet.
@Aldsomegaming
@Aldsomegaming 2 жыл бұрын
how did the audio compensate from the one you were using when you switched? or were you using it all along?
@StrongAI
@StrongAI Жыл бұрын
Your video is very informative. I did an experiment myself. The results are very satisfactory. Your tips are very helpful. thank you. I have one question. Does using this microphone harm the audio equipment? I'm afraid the 48v will harm the device. Should I not worry?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs Жыл бұрын
Thank you. The 48V voltage phantom power) is normally provided by the audio equipment (the microphone pre-amplifier), so I'm not sure I understand your question. This simple design is specifically intended for equipment with phantom power. You can also power a capsule by a lower voltage for other devices, such as a laptop, phone or computer soundcard.
@StrongAI
@StrongAI Жыл бұрын
​@@NordicAudioLabs I'm stupid for asking the question. I ask again. Is an audio device safe if all three of the XLR terminals are short-circuited? Overheating or damaging parts? I'm worried that I might accidentally break the audio device.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs Жыл бұрын
@@StrongAI The circuit is not shorting the phantom voltage, but even doing so will not harm or overheat anything because there are two 6.8k current limiting resistors feeding pins 2 & 3 with voltage.
@Kabisdakchannel
@Kabisdakchannel 3 жыл бұрын
new supporter here Great ideas keep up
@knm6say
@knm6say 2 жыл бұрын
This circute using 48v in mixer
@gogiaudios
@gogiaudios 3 жыл бұрын
Have you measured the voltage at pin 2 and pin 3 ?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I have, but will discuss the circuit and voltages in the next episode, thank you for your suggestion.
@TristanMorelle
@TristanMorelle 4 ай бұрын
Hello, is there a way to get a balanced signal out of an electret, or is there a simple way to invert the signal?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 4 ай бұрын
Simple as it is, this configuration actually provides a balanced signal, at least mostly. If you want a better balanced circuit with a lower output impedance there are many options.
@symdega
@symdega Ай бұрын
Amazing, thanks ! Will this work with an LDC capsule ?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 23 күн бұрын
The circuit needs an electret capsule with a built-in FET. It would be a fun project to try to design the simplest circuit for an LDC, maybe some day I'll have time to attempt it.
@symdega
@symdega 23 күн бұрын
@@NordicAudioLabs Thanks !
@user-jk5in2yb6o
@user-jk5in2yb6o 6 ай бұрын
Hello Dear Friend. Great tutorial. Which brand capsules are you using in here?
@monkeyxx
@monkeyxx 3 жыл бұрын
Nice! I'm assuming this is an unbalanced microphone. If you add one single capacitor (typically 4.7 uF in the common P48 schematics) I think you would have a balanced microphone.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 3 жыл бұрын
It's actually balanced even with that single resistor. Please see episode 2 for details on the schematic.
@rcastorpro
@rcastorpro 3 ай бұрын
Hello, in my case, there was a noise, which I managed to solve by grounding the mesh (pin 1). Am I right?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 23 күн бұрын
Yes, providing a grounded mesh as shield around the mic is a good idea!
@jacklunetti8850
@jacklunetti8850 2 жыл бұрын
thank you. Why would there be a lot of ground hum when setting this up? I have so much ground hum using a Primo 283 capsule that has only a + and - connection, so no connection to chassis of mic element. Perhaps that needs to be made somehow?
@alialbaluchi869
@alialbaluchi869 3 жыл бұрын
Voltage output 9.755 dc voltage 👍🏼
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 3 жыл бұрын
If you are saying that you are getting a DC voltage difference of 9.7V between pins 2 and 3 that could be correct.
@JohnDaniels
@JohnDaniels Жыл бұрын
Great video, will you tell me if you can these be made into stereo and used with USB-C on a android smartphone? I would like to make a mic that looks like the Sony ECMLV1 and Olympus ME-51S but has the EM272 and USB-C connection where you can just plug it onto your phone and then record video with a nice enhanced mic for lots of ambient pickup, is this possible?
@masyer
@masyer Жыл бұрын
Is it okay using 48V phantom power to the condensor? or may be prefer using voltage devider I think
@TheMikeall714
@TheMikeall714 Жыл бұрын
Question, I have a grounded and shielded cable [2 cable + 1 ground and a mesh shielding]. Where do I connect the ground/shielding? or do I not need to connect those parts? Thank You~
@RadianFilms64
@RadianFilms64 23 күн бұрын
So basically that resistor does the same thing a 3.5mm to XLR adapter does, that converts 24 or 48V to plug in power that the mic needs? I believe so... The adapters are expensive and if a resistor like this can be used, that is great news. Or is there more electronics inside those adapters? I think they are called VXLR+.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 23 күн бұрын
Yes, that's what it does. It does not change the output impedance so more advanced circuits can be useful in some situations.
@RadianFilms64
@RadianFilms64 23 күн бұрын
@@NordicAudioLabs That is great! Will have to try this out. Thank you very much for the reply!
@JuusoHoo
@JuusoHoo Жыл бұрын
:D this is so funny to watch again! Thanks, what capsule did you finally put there? I did a couple of this kind with omni Primo EM172, but they are already sold out,,,
@Muchsinmohammad
@Muchsinmohammad Жыл бұрын
Klo pake omron h3y gmn bang?
@FirebrandMedia
@FirebrandMedia 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making the video....any thoughts on adding a capacitor?
@cacciskagrana6603
@cacciskagrana6603 2 жыл бұрын
hi, can i also connect it to the mixer with pfanton r48v output?
@ozlo5318
@ozlo5318 2 жыл бұрын
Apakah aman untuk mixer phantom?
@cezmikardas
@cezmikardas 8 ай бұрын
Hello, will I have any problems if I turn on +48V phantom power via Zoom F6 with this technique? Does it work well?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 4 ай бұрын
It needs +48V to work
@2009bfa3
@2009bfa3 2 жыл бұрын
I try it with the primo em272 but it sounds very noise! I don't know why?
@TheBrunosalmacis
@TheBrunosalmacis Жыл бұрын
Thanks man ! I 've made it , but i have a problem , in the range of 50hz i have like a buzz sound and i don't know how to fix it
@chrisgibbs612
@chrisgibbs612 11 ай бұрын
50Hz is mains hum. Try using a ground loop, they cheap and just work. You get the hum because different audio devices have 'different' grounds. Earth loop sorts it out.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 4 ай бұрын
What you probably need is shielding. Some form of metal case (could be a mesh) around the capsule, connected to ground (pin1).
@surajkushwaha6540
@surajkushwaha6540 3 жыл бұрын
Great job. It could be presented a little faster. Hope to see more from you. Best wishes from India.
@djtransnazgrz
@djtransnazgrz 2 жыл бұрын
there is a downside to this circuit. The frequency response goes down to DC or as low as your preamp. I made two of them and found that they pick up things like drafts and doors closing in the same building. Anything tha causes a pressure wave will be picked up, and it shows up in the recording. You can filter it out if it diddnt clip the pramp, but onece door closing in the next room caused clipping on a recording with sane gain settings.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
Correct, there is nothing limiting the low frequency response. Many times you will have a high pass filter in your microphone pre-amp though, sometimes even variable. Instead of complicating the circuit I'd be interested in coming up with a really good DIY wind shield for these small capsules, or perhaps it's been done already?
@dylanj8676
@dylanj8676 Жыл бұрын
If we were using a 3 wire capsule, like an EM200, would the extra wire be connected to XLR pin 1?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 4 ай бұрын
Good question, topic for a follow up video. Unfortunately I'm too busy it seems.
@alialbaluchi869
@alialbaluchi869 3 жыл бұрын
This is unbalanced wiring pls can you send us balance wiring diagram.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 3 жыл бұрын
Please see my second episode for a detailed explanation, it's actually not an unbalanced connection. There are many nice, more complicated and advanced circuits online, I might explore some of them in the future.
@tonyg6158
@tonyg6158 10 ай бұрын
Actually that sounded really good. What kind of soldering iron is that?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 4 ай бұрын
Weller WMRP
@chongshenchang9367
@chongshenchang9367 3 ай бұрын
I can't believe you took more than 23 minutes just to solder a resistor and a mic capsule... But worth watching. Thankyou
@lanmichaelmix2818
@lanmichaelmix2818 2 жыл бұрын
the quaility isn't bad for that tiny cheap capsule.It is outperforming the smartphone sound recording.
@lipartd.silveira9065
@lipartd.silveira9065 Жыл бұрын
Hi! I did, but it didn't work. what could have gone wrong? thank you if you can help me. I'm Brazilian, I don't know if I wrote a message correctly.   Tradução em tempo real
@tossancuyota7848
@tossancuyota7848 Жыл бұрын
oh...this is indeed simple
@ochiemchannel9794
@ochiemchannel9794 Жыл бұрын
Good
@abubakarshahzad133
@abubakarshahzad133 2 жыл бұрын
Please tell about mono amplifier phantom
@kokobase1
@kokobase1 Жыл бұрын
Nice.. So..the resistor just turn the 48v to 6v?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 4 ай бұрын
No, it drops the +48 voltage of one pin slightly so that the capsule sees a lower voltage across its pins.
@okumuhope9196
@okumuhope9196 2 жыл бұрын
Can this simple mic work in Audio Interface?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
As long as it has phantom power, yes.
@rickhendriks321
@rickhendriks321 2 жыл бұрын
Geat video ! Loved it Thanks
@ozlo5318
@ozlo5318 2 жыл бұрын
It's work in phantom power 48V mixer? From Indonesia
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, specifically!
@ozlo5318
@ozlo5318 2 жыл бұрын
@@NordicAudioLabs no needs capasitor?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
@@ozlo5318 No.
@JohnX_1962
@JohnX_1962 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This looks like it might be a fun project. I’m curious as to whether you ever found a way to solve the noise problem.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
There are ways to deal with the noise. I wanted to to an episode on what can be done, but no time yet.
@user-ku7pj1qj8v
@user-ku7pj1qj8v Жыл бұрын
Iska circuit diagram batao
@jucanavazreque3429
@jucanavazreque3429 2 жыл бұрын
This mic looks so great and simple! But compared to other electret DIY tutorials I've watched, this seems too good... I'm assuming you have it connected to a sound board to filter and modulate the sound, right? Or you show it as it is?
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
I'm directly comparing it to the studio grade microphone I'm using for the voice-over, so it goes through the exact same processing (for KZfaq). But it's a good point to make a demo with only raw audio. Then again, the sound depends a lot on which capsule you use (see the follow up video).
@gilbertocoelho109
@gilbertocoelho109 Жыл бұрын
Manda em português por FAVOR
@onnumaraa
@onnumaraa 3 жыл бұрын
You can watch our Studio Microphone Comparison Videos. Good day to everyone
@johngabris9690
@johngabris9690 19 күн бұрын
just get to the point and edit the rubbish bits
@FriesOfTheDead
@FriesOfTheDead 2 жыл бұрын
It's strange how there was absolutely no audio quality difference between the two microphones! Even though your mic sounds fantastic and that is a $0.50 capsule. It's clear you faked the results.
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
And why would I want to fake anything? Wouldn't it be a bit odd since I'm manufacturing the mic I'm comparing to? :-)
@FUNKLABOR_DL1LEP
@FUNKLABOR_DL1LEP 2 жыл бұрын
sorry, but this job could had been done in 5 minutes - explaining included. again sorry. You are very sympatic and You have an amazing voice + sound but..
@NordicAudioLabs
@NordicAudioLabs 2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right, but so what? I'm only doing this for fun and pleasure :-) Personally I love watching slow videos, but you have the option to keep scrolling. Have a great day.
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