Let's not forget about our little flower in the heart of the Dream. It's gone from a flower to a berry bush.

Here is a question for you. Is Azeroth really a Titan or are they trying to turn her into one as with the other forces trying to turn her into something else? I ask this because because who exactly told us she was one? Heck we still down know just what she is and what her waking up really means for us all, and why is she the one EVERYONE wants so badly???

Talie’s was better, Bell needs to work on his comebacks.

the beef is crazy lol

​@@OrginalJSmithwhat is the beef? I missed it

Y that's why it hit so hard lol 😅

@@ShadowsOfThePast 😁

It is certainly not extremely common, it affects about 3.6% of the US population But sure, it's not just war veterans

I'm guessing there is a huge bias in that statistic as it will really likely be 3.6% of people who have sought help and been diagnosed with PTSD. I have experienced PTSD from sleep deprivation, it's not counted statistically in the UK. @@balintkolonics

@@balintkolonics You should always assume that half of the people who exhibit symptoms of trauma will refuse to seek help for a variety of excuses. So that 3.6% is probably more of a 7.2%. Still not 'extremely' common but knowing that around 1/15 people have trauma that affects them daily is still a good way to observe how trauma reaches everyone.

@@balintkolonics depression is extremely common but most people with depression don't seek help. alcoholism and drug abuse are forms of depression, but not considered as such. instead depression is seen as a result of alcoholism and drug abuse, but no-one ever asked why would a healthy person ever even consider using drugs and alcohol? most drug abusers don't start on prescription drugs, but yes, that is also a possibility of how it begins.

It's also important to point out that The Rules of Mak'Gora were adhered to exactly once out of the three times it was shown.

Bro people still think he cheated lol? My dudes, you clearly have no clue about Mak'Gora. Traditionally it was a fistfight, but the rules were flexible so as to allow Shaman and lesser physically able Orcs to participate. Weapons of choice, Magic, it was all allowed except the really devious stuff like hexing or poisons. After all, if magic is "cHeAtInG", then how are these supposedly hardened warriors supposed to survive a battlefield where there will most likely be magic? There's no cheating in a real battle, so if they're as good warriors as they pretend to be, and not just meatheads who like to throw their weight around, they'd be able to defeat magic casters. Or was a magic caster supposed to somehow beat a warrior in melee combat? Do you think the physics scientist can beat a heavyweight boxing champ in a fistfight? Lol. Shamans have been a thing since Orcs exist, and have definitely had to participate in a Mak'Gora at one point or another, and to not allow them to use their preferred method of combat would be utterly idiotic and one sided. And it's OFFICIALY stated that Mak'gora is flexible, people just didn't bother to look into it. You guys took the Warcraft movie to literally, they just wanted to portray Gul'dan as evil by him cheating with magic. Truth of the matter is that each duel is settled on what goes and what doesn't beforehand. Otherwise there's just no point in a caster even accepting a Mak'gora, and that would be a dishonor. And I doubt Garrosh would be satisfied if Thrall only tried to fight back without his powers. He even said it himself, he never was a true warrior - because he isn't. He's a Shaman, and always has been. Hell they literally made him into a Hermit BEFORE Pandaria to prove that point.

Glad he’s grey, not bald 😂

Stress'll do that to you. Thrall is barely past hus mid 30s right now.

​@@Darkvega2k7 Thrall is 40 in Dragonflight so probably 42 here

Kids are stressful, ok? Lol

Thrall is a reflection of Metzen in WoW

And likely knew he did it dishonorably but felt the man had to be stopped regardless

On top of kinda being responsible for everything that has happened up to that point. Including Varian's death. Imagine how much would've changed if he had listened to Cairne and Garrosh himself and not made him Warchief.

he honestly looks like jack septiceye make of that what you will

@@zantsmith4257oh god…I see it!

This, also the whole, involuntarily enjoying it, thing sounds scarily like something else we hear from another type of survivor.

I loved SG1 as a child!

It's better than DF's cinematics because those are actually the worst in the history of the game, but it's still not as good as basically any of the old ones. I just don't care for the heartfelt moments anymore. It's boring as hell. I will give credit where it's due to the sword reveal at the end, but the corny "what I've seen, what I've done" (which saurfang did in BFA) and the arthas sword point pose which Anduin again, already did in Shadowlands - it's lame.

​@@audiolols WoW's writers should stop trying to write complex character or heartfelt moment: they simply lack the skill to do that and the game is not built to support that type of content. We played WoW not because of Thrall being a conflicted leader, or because of Jaina's back and forth from craziness, that was just additional flavour. To be down to earth doesn't mean to centre your epic about characters instead of events. I mean Napoleon is an epic person in history for what he has accomplished, we don't need to know how he felt.

Yeah, or maybe it's another 'anduin cries' episode. The apple really fell far from the tree. Fuck I miss Varian.

yeah then in the wonderful writing of SL, she turns into what she hated most. That sure made a lot of sense...she's all "I hate Arthas!" *becomes the same*. Ugh

@Lockecole81 I don't think it was that she hated Arthas so much as not having control over her own fate, and that the Forsaken should have been free to choose their fates as well. And that's what made her arc in SL so bad, because she allowed the Jailor to control her, and then out if nowhere stopped caring about the Forsaken.

The book certainly expanded on some stuff better. I just kinda thought it was a crap arc to have her always complaining about what Arthas did to her then turn around and do the very same things to others. Dunno if they were trying for a abused becomes the abuser angle, or if it was due to the internal issues at the company around the time or what. I was pretty burnt out on everything Sylvanas at that point. The book did have me liking her a bit more, mainly the General aspect, and it looks like she'll be more of that if she shows up again at some point in the future. There were a lot of parts of SL that I liked, but the stuff with the Jailer and Sylvanas were pretty weak. It was also odd how much of it felt like a straight Marvel rip off. I feel like they really could have done parts better.

@Lockecole81 yeah SL really did Sylvanis dirty. None of it made sense. Seemed like the Jailor just needed a minion, and Sylvanis was the easiest choice because of Arthas. But like you said, there wasn't any apparent theme for her or the Jailor. In game, at least, which that's the biggest problem. Half of their story is in an alternate format that not many people use.

what allowed her to break free was Nerzhul loosing power as Illidan draws near so Arthas in turn also looses power and control over some of the undead with stronger willpower.

Glad he wasn’t in DF. He doesn’t need to be at the front of everything. His voice actor is annoying to

He was clearly supposed to be a big part of whatever was cut from Azure Span. There was clearly gonna be something with that frost tower in the east and... nothing happened.

This is the problem with Khadger / Malfurion, They are god lvl mary sue's who can just finger snap most of the problems. Malfurion needs to go away, suggestion i saw is that the new world tree is injured and he has to go inside it and heal it and this may take.. the rest of eternity. Khadger needs to just die in some epic battle and jaina takes over.

he literally was an integral part of 10.0 part of df wdym

Can you explain why Khadgar is your favorite character? I feel like this character has always just been a standard quest giver. Never any meaningful character development.

The hate is perfectly justified because Anduin is the driver and posterchild of the "World of feelscraft" era we are in right now where characters talking about feelings is 90% of the story and characters taking meaningful action is only 10% of the story. Whereas this used to be way more balanced

Anyone hating on Anduin is either a sociopath or an emotionally stunted, edgelord. Dude's been put through a damn ringer in a short amount of time. And these children who's only adversity in their lives has been at best, getting rejected on prom night are talking shit🙄? It's hilarious.

Agreed. But I think it's mostly just a select group of edgelords.

@@l-dog ...40k fans?

When it comes to Anduin it shows how many people lack emotional intelligence. Like some really get triggered over him showing the normal emotions of someone who has experienced deaths, hardship, torture, etc. It's crazy.

Tyr and Freya are not titans but titan keepers.

Imperious curse in Harrypotter but worse and its a iligale spell in that univesre so yeah Andurian is right being so messed with

Too anime. Couldn't take it seriously. Pitiful storytelling.

@@fuzznugget246 No emotional maturity

I recently had my life upended in heartwrenching betrayal and relate. Pain and horror change us. This cinematic hits the wounded hard, especially the quote about how time by itself heals nothing. Sending love on your journey.

I think it’s one of the best they’ve done recently. This is what real drama looks like.

Your not the only one that felt anduins pain I’m also a veteran and man I couldn’t stop thinking about that cinematic I love when they do live action trailers I wish all their trailer were live action but I know they are very expensive to make 😅

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Im not a veteran or even have any connection to the military and I deeply felt it too. Cant imagine how hard it hit those with real experience from it.

I know it won't happen (due to the amount of time and resources needed) but I wish there was an expansion-agnostic, brand-new leveling experience, a kind of extension of Exile's Reach (which I thought was very well done), but in a way that also explains some of the lore that came before. It would be the default "new player" experience, would be tailored to new players (though anyone would be able to do it) and include some quests that tell stories of the past, some that teach class mechanics, and ease you into the game for people without prior knowledge (or, for returning players, gently help them become accustomed to some of the changes). There would be no part of it that needs end-game to explain parts of the story, as happens when people level through zones that were MADE as part of an expansion with extensive end-game stories. It would be pretty much self-contained, except for the old-lore parts. (Those could be done as a "storyteller" kind of quest, or a "relive the past" kind of quest). They could even introduce Chromie so by the time the person is doing Chromie time on their subsequent toons, they'll have an idea of who she is. Just wishful thinking. As a guide in the Newcomer chat, from what I observe, I think this would be really helpful.

This!

@@GoddessPallasAthenain the next expac dragonflight is where new players will go after exiles reach at lvl 10 instead of starting in bfa like it is now

@@moprophet_509 Right. That is correct.

What were you eating ?

I think it's mutual joshing, the Tali live show had Belular catching strays for their opening skit.

@@doctorcis3510 oh absolutely, and I’m here for it.

@@Evrys_1997 yeah I think we need to ignore Tali for a ehile. His shilling for Blizzard has lost its subtlety

@@Evrys_1997 No, they very clearly are having fun with each other ever since blizzcon

he already did it in the BFA trailer.

Almost as if you stick them with the pointy end.

@@trefhi he holds the sword upwards to the front, in this trailer he holds it flat forward, its not a massive difference in general, but just a small hint of that arthas domination that the body remembers

New to news channels?

FYI it's spelled "excited", with a C. Exited means they left via the exit

@@DoctorJohn_MD I'm exciting this conversation.

The "Sun" is Elune's twin and the Winter Queen's brother who we only know by the Tauren name, An'she. In universe, he is believed to be closely related to the "Light", with some speculating that he is just the anthropomorphic depiction of the Light or that the power of the Light comes from him. Either way, Tauren myths state that he doesn't directly interact with Azeroth because he was severely wounded in an ancient battle against the Void (the elementals were allies of the twins, no one else), and he is only still alive because Elune has a uniquely powerful healing gift which is still only powerful enough to keep him alive for as long as she stays close to him and using it. Cool idea; you're close though.

The Guardian of Tirisfal is just a mage chosen and empowered by the Council of Tirisfal to fight the Burning Legion. They arent directly tied to Azeroth in any way, but it is possible that a future Guardian will play an important role in the next few expansions.

:D