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"I am now going to sing Venom by Eminem." *proceeds to read the lyrics in a way that isn't even slightly musical*

Venom 2 is a pride month classic. Up there with Brokeback Mountain & Happy Together.

calling them a “sibling relationship” when venom admits he’s in love with eddie at the end of the movie……..

The venom movies are great because Tom Hardy is someone who is conventionally attractive yet he's a character actor. He's like Mike Rowe doing dirty jobs. Just a guy who loves his gross job and not afraid to be disgusting

I have never heard anyone call SymBrock a sibling relationship they even have a kid in the comics... I need Venom 3 to just be them raising Sleeper

it just feels like Morbius was Jared Leto's last desperate attempt at getting in on the super hero hype but.. he's not that guy... plus he's just a huge fuqin creep

legitimately the hate that venom got was uncalled for. like is it a masterpiece? no. is it entertaining? yes. is it memorable? more than some other superhero movies that’s for damn sure.

Siblings?? They are a couple 😭😭😭

SIBLING LIKE? They are MARRIED

glad to see the multiple people in the comments being like “pinely….they’re gay….” about venom and eddie this is very important bc i stopped in my tracks when i heard him say that like …????

"sibling relationship" .... Yeah.... THATS the dynamic...... Sure......

Tom Hardy not only did the eating the lobster.. but I also remember hearing he in fact was the one who decided he wanted to do that. Went on set saw lobster tank and went I want to go into this. The lobster iirc was made out of marshmallow with chocolate syrup blood I think!

i actually enjoyed the venom movies so much 😭 like they're so cheesy and really fun sometimes

Pinely committing to the bit of getting a seat right next to the only other person in his row is absolute menace behavior

As someone who has never seen Venom, I never understood the whole Venom x Eddie thing. I must admit, I get it now. That’s gay asf.

hey, give the morbius writers SOME credit. 22.6666667% rounds up, so they actually have a 23% average, not 22%

I love the fact that Carnage's hacking powers are not only canon, but underplayed in the movie. He's actually traveled through phone lines via The Web

For some reason when you said Eddie and Venom were siblings which is weird because they kissed, my reaction was to defend it by saying “but Luke and Leia kissed” and I don’t know what to do now

WAIT! I JUST REALIZED? HOW IS THE VENOM MOVIE HALF A DECADE OLD NOW???

venom is a gay icon and i am obsessed with his romance with eddie

9:10 uh oh Pinely doesn't know what lobsters are.

8:45 "In my planet I'm a loser, kind of like you" is a good line, but I wish the villain of the first movie had confirmed that the other symbiontes in fact think Venom is a loser, even if it was in just a quick line. Something like the bad guy saying "of course you befriended a human, Venom. Its so typical of pathetic losers like you!" at the beginning of the final fight

I love the venom films, my little monsterlover heart goes wild

"they have a sibling energy" is really giving me the vibe of historians going "oh my god they were roommates"

"I saw someone sitting alone in the theater and decided to sit next to them" I had to double check if this wasn't an Evil Pinely video

one thing that baffles me about that "we're the same" line from cletus to eddie/venom in the movie is like. in the comics, he's referencing the fact they're both this fucked up largely from having very abusive fathers that kind of deeply affected their ability to treat people normal. it's literally a whole cycle of abuse/"we both have daddy issues/a really hard upbringing" thing. also originaly the whole drake labs incident involved capturing eddie/venom and making more symbiotes, riot being one of them, but their actual leader was this awesome lady symbiote called Scream that has pizza colors. she was a whole girlboss gaslight gatekeep and they didnt even give her a chance... (i think you see a flash of a yellow symbiote eating a rabbit in the lab, iirc, that's probably supposed to be her)

I watched morbius but it was so bad I immediately forgot what happened so when you said the 2 main characters started making out I really thought I just missed that or forgot 💀 Also everyone convincing them to release it in theaters a second time is peak comedy

I have argued for years that Venom was better than anyone gave it credit for. It’s obviously got issues but Eddy and Venom dialogue has me laughing every time I watch the movie because they are just so funny! I know comedy is not objective but it really hits my sense of humor perfectly. The same goes for the second movie too, I just love these big lovable doofus’s

jared leto is just too swagless to pull off morbius

Tbh Matt Smith’s character was the part of the movie I actually enjoyed. I just wanted to see him screw around as a vampire more

Siblings is crazy 😭😭 "historically they were friends" type beat 💀

One small note about the Morbius returning to theaters thing: Sony doesn't pay (much) for rereleases, it's the theaters that rent the movie showing rights / files so it would be the theaters that would lose money when they had the second run. How the theaters pay changes, sometimes it's just a cut of the ticket sales and sometimes there's also a flat fee / "guaranteed ticket sale" involved but it's likely that Sony successfully made money on that second run. The only thing that Sony would likely have to pay for is creating new keys (called KDMs, Key Delivery Messages) for the video file (called DCPs, Digital Cinema Packages) so that it can be played again, which they likely would be covered immediately from any flat fee. The movie still lost Sony loads of money but the rerelease thing wasn't some huge mistake by them.

venom and eddie... sibling like... they're an old marriage

I just madame webbed😢

Truly the only joy in Morbius is that lil dance Matt Smith does Every time I think about how bad Morbius was I think "but what about that lil dance." Madame Web was better than Morbius but not good. Fun, though. Just not good

the Venom movies are 2 of my favorite 'super hero' movies.

they are not siblings…. they are gay, they are in love. sorry I don’t make the rules 🤷🏽‍♀️

I think the first Venom movie is looked back on more fondly in hindsight because of the abysmal offerings that came after it. At the time, it was criticised against the juggernaut Marvel movies that came before it. Now it is judged by the colossal failures that have come after it. I don't think it was ever a bad movie, but from people who view it from either side, the most consistent complaint is that it was squandered potential.

my dad loves Tom Hardy, and he really liked the Venom movie, but in particular, he liked the "Jump?....Pussy" line so much, that everytime he sugests somethign bald, or someone sugests something bald, he quotes it. Dad: So, son, you wanna go on a rollercoaster? JUMP? Me: I don't really want to, I'm just not a fan- Dad: PUSSY

I like bad movies. I Really really like bad movies. I used to make a discord call with my friends every Saturday to watch a bad movie. The room, birdemic, samurai cop, chun li, alone in the dark, dead or alive etc. and we always laugh a lot. Terrible movies can be a lot of fun and we always endure it happily. That being said: we turned off Morbius before the half if the movie due to boredom, and went to watch the entirety of the resident evil movies. I can enjoy great movies and the most terrible ones. Morbius is just a void with no merit, a thing you forget 10 seconds after you seen it. I can’t remember a single scene, only how numb it made me feel

I feel Evil Pinely vibes from this

I remember Tom Hardy describing a scene from Venom which was his "favourite scene" and what he described turned out to be completely cut out of the film. It was the moment where Eddie apologises on the top of a building to Venom, and Venom gives us a glimps into what it is actually like to be a foreign being whose purpose is to consume and control, only to feel empathy after connecting to Brock's mind or some shit. So much of the film just seemed chopped up in post.

What BAFFLES me, is that we have "Spider-Man Adjacent" stories involving Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider, Kane/Scarlet Spider, and Jackal. SONY could have made a "SCARLET SPIDER" movie between 2016 and and 2017 to bank off Tom's emerging popularity. Find a Ben Reilly actor to be a "clone" of Tom (discount Tom Holland), and a SLIGHTLY older and hairer version to be Kane. Kane starts as the first imperfect clone who wants to kill Ben for getting the life and appearance he never had, enraged that people would accept Ben as a hero while Kane would always be seen as an ugly errand boy. At the end of Scarlet Spider, Kane and Ben work together to kill Jackal (and his third clone enforcer Spidercide), stopping any further clones from being made off Peter's DNA. At the end of the 2017/2018 movie, it would have been revealed in post credits a San Francisco Eddie Brock reading about "Spider-Men" in NYC, and saying he's happy he's far away. December 2017: Scarlet Spider after Homecoming. PG13 with body horror elements. James Wan. October 2018: Venom happens, with Riot again being the main villain. No references to Spider-Man or Spider-Men. Rated R. Christmas 2018: Into the Spider-Verse Summer 2019: Endgame and Far From Home happens. October 2019: Scarlet Spider: Hunted comes out with Kraven as the lead villain, wanting to prevent the emergence of Spider-Men despite the absene of Peter Parker. Kraven successfully kills Ben Reilly, causing Kane to adopt the sleeker Scarlet Spider outfit and abandon Ben's previous two costumes. Kraven is imprisoned. October 2021: Venom: Maximum Carnage comes out as a true superhero-horror movie. Rated R. Carnage isn't killed. Christmas 2021: No Way Home happens. June 2022: Scarlet Spider: Minimum Carnage sees the return of Carnage in Texas, forcing Venom to team up with Kane. During this, Julia Carpenter makes a brief appearance showing emerging powers. Carnage isn't destroyed, but Cletus is rendered lobodomized. September/October 2022: ARAÑA is released and introduced Ana Corazon as lead, being assisted by Scarlet Spider (Kane). Ana has her exoskeleton ripped out at the end of the movie, by Kraven then attemps to finally kill Kane, before Ana adapts with her new look and grappling hook whips. Summer 2023: Across the Spider-Verse October 2023: A BETTER AND LESS RUSHED MORBIUS comes out. Scream is the lead symbiote villain, having been created from her research in Carnage's efforts and Morbius's bloodwork. Venom helps him kill her, though in the process, creates TOXIN. June 2024: MADAME WEB ties all these characters together: Scarlet-Spider (Kane), a now matured Spider-Girl (Julia Carpenter), and Arana are all discovered by Cassie Web following her blinding and paralysis. A "resurrected" Ben Reilly finds her and claims Venom is trying to kill him (a different version, more faithful to the comics). In addition, the 3rd and final "Spider-Girl" emerges in Mattie Franklin. As Madame Web tries to guide Mattie into her powers, the other 3 try to speed her up to defeat this more monstrous and unhinged version of Venom. It's revealed that the new Ben is actually Spidercide, who survived the first move, and wants to kill Mattie; eventually cleaning up all the "Non Peter" Spiders until he's the only true one left. The two Venoms fuse into one combined form, finally saying goodbye to Tom's version of Eddie Brock. When the "new" Venom changes into human form, it's a younger but more agressive Eddie Brock. All 3 Spider-Girls have emerged. Scarlet-Spider and Venom are the "hero and anti-hero" of Sony's Universe, and Madame Web being the final psychic link to them all. 10 films. And it could have been amazing by now. It could even be better than the MCU's offerings as the more stylized and sleeker shinier foil to Marvels kid-friendly muted tones.

I will forever be a venom defender. Its objectively not a great movie and im so incredibly obsessed with it. you summarized very well why its so appealing

Cheerful reminder that comic Eddie and Venom canonically get it on and have a kid together

41:10 Sony fucked up even with their "early 00s" product placement. There's a guy in the subway playing with his PlayStation Portable but that thing came out a year later in 2004.

I'm gonna watch this and Eddy Burback's Morbius movie on a loop for the next twenty hours. Absolute masterpieces of commentary.

speaking of continuing to hire people they shouldn't, jared leto has been cast in the new Tron reboot this man needs to be blacklisted from hollywood honestly

what's wild about the morbius parts of this video, from someone who's never seen the film, is that i just heard matt smith say one line, and it had more life and energy to it than any of jared leto's line deliveries so far.

Could Morbius save Sony’s Spidey Franchise? Who’s to say, release it in theaters again just to make sure

finally a sane youtuber covering the madame web and morbius sonyverse fiasco

Carnage would have been so much better if they kept the wig. They really needed to roll with that. Woody could have pulled it off for sure.

As a fan, I would like to point out that the 2017 Power Rangers movie went through quite a few writers and those guys only really have credits on that script because of union rules. From what I know John Gatins' version of the script reflects most of what appears in the final cut of the movie. Also that movie is super underrated and people should watch it.

What got me about Madam Web is that they specifically set it in 2003, yet put references in that weren't even from 2003. Like one of the showrunners said they set it in that year as an excuse to use the song Toxic, yet that song came out in 2004. Also, the guy in the subway they have playing a psp? Something they thought so good they put it in the trailer? That console wasn't on store shelves until 2005.

Imagine coming onto the INTERNET and being SO WRONG about the relationship between MARRIED COUPLE VENOM AND EDDIE BROCK peak engagement strat tbh

I remember hearing someone theorize that the reason the two writers from morbius got hired was because they're easy for studios to work with and will comply for any changes that the studios demand. I don't know if thats true but it would make a lot of sense as to why the movies are... of doubious quality

So happy to hear someone talk about the coffee guy in the background of that one scene in Morbius😂 my favorite character

20:45 and then Marvel immediately responded with "nope" and sent Eddie straight back where he came from

Reminds me of what my dad said as we walked out of the theater after seeing Thor love and thunder - “it was terrible… I loved it!”

Jared felt a kinship with those creatures tho.

I was expecting this to be some sort of monotone put-together video essay, so the chaotic casual vibe was a pleasant treat. Subscribed.

Imagine how annoying it would be if your arch nemesis could see into the future and would just keep hunting you down to hit you with a car. You literally wouldnt be able to escape and they would be able to find you anywhere and set up to be able to hit you with a car. This is what truly makes Madame Webb so terrifying.

pinely is my favorite guy to listen while im eating breakfast... such wise words (its 9PM where i am btw)

Have they considered just hiring a renown comic book writer to create a fully new original iconic hero character and put them in the same settings and they're now the equivalent of spider man and defeats the same villains. Except it's not spiderman and they have their own completely new story, flaw, power, backstory and personality. They first try releasing a couple comic books, and eventually movies. I mean they clearly have money to throw at stuff. Like there's a lot of spidermen in the spiderverse some more recent than others. It feels like people don't mind showing up for different new spidermen as long as they've got something to bring to the table. Why not a new not-spiderman but still in this universe ? I mean obviously that implies doing something original. But legally I think they are allowed to right ? As long as the guy isn't a spiderman.

I think what makes the Venom movies really work is that despite them looking dark and grungy like all of them, and parts of the plot aligning to that, Eddie and Venom are so NOT dark and grungy. They're goofy, brutal and deadly but still really goofy. I mean they wrote Venom an entire subplot based on a coming out story and presented them like some gay couple, it's hilarious. When it comes to other antiheroes they normally go all-in on one side (Morbius all grunge, Deadpool all goof), but Venom is a goof in the middle of grunge, which creates fun watch

Madame Web was just the 2002 Catwoman of this decade

I LOVE VENOM it was so silly and I had a great time !! ..........Also Pinely I love you man but siblings????? those two are married for real

describing the symbiote and Eddie as "siblings" PLEASE

Love Venom 2 just straight up having Eddie and Venom break up, lmao. Venom 2 didn't even try to pretend it wasn't doing the romantic comedy. It just went "Yup Venom is literally doing the stereotypical girlfriend thing and throwing Eddie's stuff out the window"

I think the main problem with superhero movies in the big cinema universes now is that they take themselves a bit too seriously, already the costumes (which people have made memes of for a while now) just feel like an "edgy" version of a superhero costume. It's like they're embarassed of admitting that that's quite literally what they are: superhero movies??? When I was younger I'd be really into those movies for like 2-3 years but then became so bored of it all being so soulless and just overpolished. Then, years later I got into Tokusatsu and my love for superhero shows/movies came back again because it's so full of love and soul and character and I just love practical effects and goofy bad CGI and stories that are so intense and dramatic and the next moment someone pulls out a bop-it sword (that is a marketable toy)... It's just so much fun and oddly enough has made me more sad at times than any dramatic scene in a Marvel movie (for example) ever could, just because it FEELS so much more like a proper story and interesting characters

"they have an almost sibling relationship" uhh...should we tell him or?? 😂

venom 1 and 2 are my favourite romance movies

I feel like its just because they needed to make a movie to keep the rights. Like what WB does when they shelve fully finished movies and tax write it off. Its not about entertainment anymore, corporations are just out to squeeze every penny they can. Even when it doesn't make sense

I kept asking the question again and again as I was watching Madame Web... "Why are you actively trying to ignore mentioning spiderman?"

The narration for the madam web section is GOLD I'm crying laughing. Like- the depressing ass situation, the anger at the writers, the demostrative reenactment of the scenes, the chaos explaining the future visions... majestic.

I adore the venom movies they are silly, the people making them clearly had a lot of fun, they aren’t afraid to be political, also it’s literally the first time we got gay people as main characters in a marvel movie and it’s some random dude having an alien fall in love with him

9:13 Sir! That's a lobster 🤣😂

you are now mandated to make a video apologizing for misinterpreting the eddie x venom dynamic followed by a declaration of their love through a dramatic reading of at least one novel-length fanfiction

Fun fact riz ahmed (the actor who plays drake) is indeed also a rapper/ musician in real life and had my favorite album of 2020 that had an accompanying short film that won an oscar so imo hes way better than Canadian Drake

Also Venom is an amazing love story!!

Gotta love these amazing tutorials from Pinely!

There’s a movie critic here in Brazil, Isabella Boscov, and she reviewed Matt Smith’s participation in Morbius perfectly: “is a gambling debt. Only with someone threatening to break your legs you accept to join a project like this.”

I coughed up my tortellini when the ad came up, i was not expecting this incredible segway. Thank you Pinely.

your venom performance was so beautiful im so emotional

I saw venom during jury duty, the best way to spent my time

I'm so glad someone else sees the true beauty of Venom: Let There Be Carnage.

I took a 2 hour break from your video to go watch Madame Web after seeing your reenactment of the scene of the mom in the jungle. It is indeed a HORRENDOUS edit. The zooms, the villains constant monologuing with horrible audio, the extremely chaotic fireworks scene The concept was quite interesting. The execution? Fascinating. I enjoyed this SO MUCH more than morbius........ it was so silly. Thanks for the video, it was great fun!

I would say that she-venom scene awakened something in me but I knew from the moment I heard this movie was coming out I was gonna watch it for unwholesome reasons

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Carnage being Venom’s son is even funnier in the source material. Carnage constantly refers to Venom as “daddy” and the Venom Symbiote specifically hates it because it birthed it. The entirety of their dynamic can be boiled down to Venom not wanting to pay child support. And then Carnage has his own symbiote child and he and Venom set aside their differences for a while because they hate it even more. That’s not even going into Venom’s seven other kids, his clone, Carnage’s two other kids, and the mindless clone of him made when Eddie had cancer. Oh, and it turns out Symbiotes leave behind pieces of themselves whenever they leave people, which happened to Eddie’s girlfriend, and her Venom bits were reincarnated into her son, meaning Eddie’s biological human son is also Venom’s. I love comics.

If the movement of the camera is moving down, it's a tilt, not a pan 🫣

...and they were roommates

My fav part is how Madame Web kill the ambulance guy by talking to him

It was set in the early 2000s so that there’s enough of a time jump between movies for Dakota Johnson’s character to be old enough to be *madame* web in the movies that take place in modern day.

man you redid this thumbnail like 4 times haha. fine I'll watch it

To be fair, Venom 2 also came out in 2021 and was one of the first big movies to go back to theaters after the first waves of the COVID pandemic - it probably still would have made less than the first one because that first film was such an unexpected hit,, but I do think that probably factors into the lower profits.

Some stranger buying the seat next to mine in an empty theater is my nightmare. I’m sorry this aspect of the horror wasn’t explored further in this piece.

How to fix this franchies. They keep giving movies to villains and turning them into good guys. Instead they should keep giving normal good guys in the spiderman comics powers. For example they could give Mary Jane powers.

"Sadly it's not the real Drake, it's - an actor" Idk why this made my spew 💀