Zoe Lee isn't even a bee. She is a wasp. Wasp are the enemy of the bee. They stole their honey, home, and food. Just like Zoe Lee did for Chloe.

A fan joke goes "Zoe isn't a character. She's a sentimonster made from Thomas Astruc's hatred of Chloe."

I saw someone like a year ago say that Zoe would’ve been better if she was Chloe’s older sister who had left the family and then came back and honestly I AGREE

Zoe’s major flaw is that she is not a character. She is an amalgamation of other characters. Everything that makes up Zoe was already applied to other characters, most obvious being Chloe. More than anything, acting as a replacement for Chloe because Astruc somehow has beef with a fictional teenage girl. Since that is her purpose, that is all she is, a nice replacement that everyone in the show likes. Zoe will never be anything more because she was not created as a character, she was created as a replacement for another.

Zoe isn't the worst character because *she's not a character at all.* She's just a plot device to get Chloe fans to shut up about her being the Bee Miraculous holder! She is a character created out of spite for a portion of the fanbase, so once she's done going through the "arc" to become Chloe's replacement, she has absolutely nothing else to do. This isn't a character, it's an afterthought.

I believe it was Callimara who explained it well. Ladybug has a team of yes men. With Chloe as Queen Bee, Ladybug could have learned how it is to work with others who want to do their own thing. By replacing queen bee with Zoe, it removed Ladybug way to learn how to work with different types of people and gave her another yes man for battle.

Let's be real, the only reason they made Zoe have feelings for marionette is to have us shut up for hating her. Seriously do they really think we would suddenly care for her if she's gay or something? There's nothing wrong with representation, but the problem is she has no personality, no development, no screen time, not even foreshadowing. Honestly only think I like about her is casual outfit I think it's alright, and the kitty noir custome is alright too I just hate the hair and lipstick. Also Zoe's entire character exist because of Chloe. Why would go with a pointless character, when there are countless ways to ruin Chloe. They didn't even try with Zoe, instead of us loving her, we hated her, and felt bad for Chloe even more because Zoe took everything from her

Much like how Felix created the blood moon sentimonster out of hate, The writers created Zoe out of hate too. It was the hate of Chloe and just like how Felix fixed his mess the writers should too. Snap her from existence or just make her under better circumstances.

They didn't just miss out on using Zoé to further Chloé's arc. They also missed out on two sisters giving each other unconditional love. Think about it. We don't really see a lot of sibling in the show. I think Juleka and Luca are the only other ones. Since André and Audrey are such bad parents, it would have been nice to see two estranged sisters learning to tough out the bad times together and actually develop a sisterly bond. Would that really have been too much to ask for?

The one thing that REALLY frustrates me about Zoe is that nearly EVERYTHING that Zoe does I can just imagine Chloe doing post/during her redemption arc. Using the Bee miraculous? Chloe could have done that as Queen Bee (and she does it better imo) Befriend/develop a crush on Marinette? Chloe could have done it. (Apparently I have to stress that this is going off of the Chloe from Seasons 1 and 2 and that this crush will be one-sided in Marinette’s part. I’m honestly not sure why it’s so hard to believe Chloe would have a crush on Marinette.) Zoe standing up to Chloe could have just been Chloe standing up to her mother. EVEN ZOE USING THE CAT MIRACULOUS COULD HAVE BEEN CHLOE! Just think about how powerful could it have been that after all of Chloe’s growth, the perfect way to cap off her arc is for her to be rewarded with the cat miraculous. It would have shown how much Adrien (and Plagg by proxy) has grown to respect and trust Chloe as Queen Bee and as his childhood friend. And with Alya, we as the audience can reflect on how far Chloe has come with Alya going from being Chloe’s enemy, to a teammate/friend to temporary partner/friend. Even with Chloe herself, she (and us the audience) can reflect on how she went from being a bully wanting to be useful, to having friends and working along side her idol to being the secondary protector of Paris even if for a little bit. The story literally writes itself and it would have had so much more depth and pay off than anything involving Zoe….BUT INSTEAD WE JUST GET FREAKING ZOE- Every time I look at Zoe, I’m painfully reminded of what could have been which is the EXACT opposite of what you want from a replacement character.

Zoé is just a shell of how Chloé could have been if she actually got her redemption. Like imagine in miracle queen, Chloé tricked Hawkmoth just to get close to the box and return it to Ladybug. She let herself getting deakumatized and hawkmoth hand her the box. And then she detransform and return it to Ladybug, aswell as the Bee miraculous. Then in season four the others finally accept her. Plus Zoé can arrive but be awful. Like how Chloé was before her redemption. Chloé gets akumatized into soul crusher and tries to fight back and everyone sees it. And they actually become her friends. Then in queen banana she gets the bee miraculous again. And she transform into Vesperia. Because we learn that the heroes can actually change their costumes! And now she's back at the team and actually keeps her identity a secret this time. And season five we can see Chloé helping as much as she can even without her miraculous. And Ofcourse getting the cat miraculous and become Kitty noir. With a better costume Ofcourse. Like. Omg what was that costume. And she can then stand up to Zoé who is the one becoming the akumatized mayor. Seeing Chloé get conclusion and maybe finding someone for her. (Sabrina or Luka). That would be more interesting than what we got. But ofcourse Thomas Astruc have a hate boner for Chloé and say she's more redeemable than Lila and Gabriel.

To me Zoe isn't as enraging to me as Andre the ice cream man You could change Zoe and Thomas Astruc's self insert with a random npc and the story wouldn't change at all But my GOD why is the ice cream man so obsessed with teenagers romantic relationship. He starts too many conflicts and his niche is so specific you couldn't really get rid of him without rewriting multiple episodes and it's just UUUUGHHHH WHY IS HE HERE

She was doomed from the start when she only exists to be a foil to chloe. Because of that fact, she doesn't stand out at all. Her backstory is resolved within the same episode she's first introduced, shes the new holder of the bee miraculous, she stands up against chloe, so what is there to care about her character.

She’s not a bad character but I WAS annoyed her existence is just to replace Chloe and she…doesn’t have a lot of depth 😅 and yeah it’s obvious Audrey cheated on Andre when she left Chloe 😂 It’s still weird that they don’t address her dad😅

The thing that always gets me is just how _toxic_ Miraculous Ladybug feels sometimes... Like, often times shows will have characters to antagonize the main characters. There will sometimes be that bully character you're supposed to not like. But this show takes it a step FURTHER. They have characters like Chloe and Lila, who you are _supposed_ to hate. Not just dislike, but actually HATE. They _want you to hate these literal teenagers._ It just exudes this toxic aura, having manipulative characters like Lila, and a clear hatred towards Chloe (who _should_ be treated as a sympathetic character), in this _actual kids show._ The writers (mostly Astruc) are wearing their biases on their sleeve. Not to mention the refusal to allow Chloe to be redeemed, but then let a literal terrorist like Gabriel get off scott free.

The problem with Zoé is that she's an only-purpose character, and she has no right to flounder around the cast anymore since... she's useless now, she dragged Chloé down the mud and is the permanent Queen Bee replacement, and they're going to do nothing with her in S6 because she has no meaning now, and everything that COULD have made her interesting was completely forgotten by the writing team. I would use Zoé as a contrast of who Chloé was against how she is in S4. Just imagine, Zoé and Mr. Lee coming to Paris to demand that Audrey comes back to New York (because she was in Paris ONLY for Gabriel's runway and nothing else) and Chloé, seeing the prick that she was at the start of the school year in Zoé and wanting her to do better, tries to say "drop the act, you don't need to change yourself to 'appease' mom", but, Zoé, who sees Audrey as too perfect to commit mistakes, would thorw a massive tantrum, and bada-bing, bada-boom, Sole Crusher. Then, after Ladynoir saves Zoé from Hawk Moth, Chloé, after reminiscing a lot about how Zoé reminds her a lot of herself in previous school years and how she really started tlo change once she got the bee miraculous, would repeat the same phrase that led to Sole Crusher, complementing that with how she got the bee miraculous and how much she has changed with it and her recent Miracle Queen akumatization, and then, after the half-sisters say their goodbyes, Chloé would tell Marinette that she wants to be Queen Bee again and end of episode (I'd keep Miracle Queen as an episode but when Chloé realizes - at the same time, must I say - that Marinette's Ladybug and that most of the heroes are from her friend circle, with Viperion being Mari's boyfriend and Ryuko being Adrien's girlfriend, she wouldn't be so willing to fight the heroes anymore, to the point of breaking her mental bond with Chrysalis). EDIT: My God, how terribly structured this was! Never making long comments on my phone again. Also took out the Hawk Moth part due to changes on my version of Miraculous' plot leading to Gabriel redeeming himself in S2.

They should have just given Chloe a redemption arc. The addition of Zoe didn’t really make sense to me (it felt sudden and out of place).

Also it’s disturbing how much Zoe’s face looks like Marinette’s. Extremely disturbing! 🤢🥶

My favorite part about Zoe is how she is Chloe stepsiater on her mother's side ... But then gets "taken in" by Andre because... She likes him better? 😅 Like that's now how the law works but so much wrong with the last season and law that i almost got an aneurysm thinking THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS!!!!

Zoe is a cake without the icing,a room without windows,a book without a story,a town without people Total useless

They should have moved Chloe to New York in season 4, at least that would make Zoe and Lila shine by their own. As without Chloe, Lila would be the one creating conflict in the classroom as well as being an Ally to Monarch. As for Zoe, she would be able to be her own character without relying on " look everybody, Chloe is bad, Zoe is good" in every interaction they have.

It’s really telling that in a video that’s supposed to be about Zoe, you can only talk more about Chloe.

Zoe is not nice when she insults her sister at her worse and then acts like she didn’t in the next seen. You can point out someone’s flaws without insulting them. She could have just followed up with “to be honest, you did mess up by showing your identity to everyone and that got you in trouble.” Then Ladybug would say, “You did trust the wrong person.” Then Chloe would yell at Ladybug and Zoey and explain that, “she wanted to help her parents, but Ladybug chose someone else for the job and ignored her request to help her parents”. Zoey could then use Vemon to paralyze Chloe and Ladybug could purify the Akuma and Amok after helping Cat Noir fight the Amok with Zoey. After saving the day with Ladybug, Zoey asks her if what Chloe said was true. Ladybug does not tell her yet and lies to Zoey and tell her not to worry about it. Even though, she does not listen to Ladybug, Zoey tells her, “okay” and talks to Chloe about the situation, but tells her that she heard it from Vesparia the story of Ladybug and Chloe says it is true and secretly told Zoey to not idolize Ladybug like she did because your heroes disappoint you even in your time of need. Their relationship builds from there and Zoey would be a little bit more relatable than she is now. I know Chloe would not do the same, but she is supposed to be the “bully”, but Zoey is supposed to be kind, sweet, and understanding and insulting her sister while she is Vesperia is the writer’s mistake for making her a believable nice character.

Imo zoe's major flaw that prevents her from becoming an interesting is that she doesn't really add anything interesting to the story; she's the nice chloe but without the redemption arc that she needs to make her character actually meaningful. Even her interactions with chloe feel hollow since they barely know each other (unlike chloe and Adrien/Sabrina).

Zoe is essentially a nothing character. She's everything people wanted Chloe to become minus any of the actual effort behind it. Everyone wanted Chloe to gradually become a better person and a better hero, instead we get this boring, nice plank of wood who everyone instantly loves and trusts from the start and geta a Miraculous just because. Character was created for no other reason than because Thomas decided to be a petty child.

What infuriates me the most is that Zoe being the Bee holder now just feels like they went "Wait, Chloe getting a redemption arc and growing from a selfish bully into a hero?! Nah! Let's kick her out and replace her with a kind and positive version of her bc only GOOD people deserve to have happy story arcs!" Not assuming that's what the writers were thinking ofc, but that's how it feels. Gosh it was so frustrating to see an arc with so much potential be suddenly reverted, especially after watching Chloe have that chance at a better life be ripped out of her hands.

Zoe is nice, attentive, sympathetic and more, but nothing at the same time. Her existence is pointless. The only thing it adds to the story is a new superheroine that nobody asked for. Her personality is comparable to the one of a potato. Her crush on Marinette is just random, and only exists to pretend that the creators care about representativity, while JulRose was never cannonised on the show. Her and Chloe have no chemistry. Their moments are boring, and add nothing to their character. Her whole reason to be in the show is just nowhere to be seen, bc it does not exist.

Your suggestions for improving Zoe’s character is cool❤ it’s a really shame they didn’t do something like that, I mean the fact that Zoé was worried about becoming a bee holder for Chloé’s sake could have led to more conflict 😅

Zoe shloud have been introduced in the same episode as her mother in Style Queen, maybe in that way we could have seen Chloe and Zoe bonding as sister, and could have worked well for Chloe's redemption arc, but Thomas Astruc hates Chloe with a passion so fuck it. 😥

I would have loved that Zoé became a shoulder to lean on for Chloé, especially since their mom doesn't show much love to them,only their dad does and that they can bond on

I think that Chloé shouldn't have gotten the bee miraculous back post-redemption, I think it would have been much more convincing if she had realised she can't be trusted with this power, fearing the may abuse it again, and refuses to take it back even if it is offered to her.

Your suggestions for Jessica, I mean Zoe are really amazing. For me, after rewatching Zoe introduction episode, she felt like that self insert mary sue OC you'd probably see in fanfics. [Y'all please don't be upset with me, I might be a Chloe fan, but at the same time I'm a fanfic writer so I pick up on these things quickly.] My suggestion is that Zoe would've been way better character if she was Sabrina older sister. [Before Zoe's appearance episode, my moots and I were theorizing about who she was related to and I came up with this.] Zoe's the older sister of Sabrina who lives abroad with her mother due to her mom moving after the divorce of Roger [Because the relationship was working anymore and she's thinks he's a pushover]. Zoe chose the mom and Sabrina chose her dad. Years passed, Zoe is on break from college/university and decided to visit Paris to see her sister and father. Somehow, Zoe learns about Sabrina 'friendship' from Marinette or someone from the cast and she decides to confront Sabrina about before telling Chloe off. Sabrina's conflicted because she see Chloe's 'friendship' as genuine vs how everyone else on the outside see it. During Zoe's short visit, Zoe teaches Sabrina how to stick up for herself and boost her self-esteem. She also helps Sabrina makes actual friends. Sabrina would distance herself from Chloe and by the end of the season [Season four at the time] she a whole new person. Didn't know where to put the Zoe having the bee miraculous, so I'm just gonna say she didn't get a miraculous.

The more I learn about ML through videos, the more I sympathize with the show's actual writing team. It's so clear that they wanted to do more with this series and the one thing stopping them from doing it is Astruc's childishness. I don't fault Astruc for not liking a character that's supposedly based off of his own personal childhood bullies or something, but just like with the rest of the show, he should have just... not put so much of himself into it? He treats Chloe like she's a real ass person who needs to be punished for being terrible, not just in the show but outside of it too, and it's so goddamn embarrassing to see a grown man with actual children act this way about a fictional character he created! Which is the most ironic thing about Zoe's and Chloe's relationship I think. With how emotionally invested Astruc seems to be about Chloe, she'll always be a better character than Zoe. Zoe was created specifically to replace Chloe and does so in the most shallow and superficial way possible, even down to her own fucking name. If Astruc really wanted audiences to see Zoe as a better character more deserving of attention and affection, he should have invested emotionally into her the same way he did for Chloe and Marinette since that's the only way female characters seem to get any level of quality writing from him.

Kitty Walker is genuinely the worst design I’ve ever seen in miraculous. Prove me wrong.

They mistreat Chloe so bad, chloe is a refreshing character to see, everyone else lacks a "strong" personality, do you understand? Undetale has Toriel, a caring yet strong character, Sans, a mysterious yet funny skeleton, Papyrus, a Loud and charismatic character, Undyne, a confidet yet really strong character, Alphys, a Nerd somewhat awkward, and asgore, another strong character yet a hint of sadness. They all stand out on their own with their different personalities, and together? They're even more fun to see. What about an actual show? My little pony (Yep, we're going there) Twilight? Smart, she loves her books and studies, sometimes even being overconfident of her abilities, yet she slowly learns the importance of friendship and working with others. Pinkie pie? She's a cheerful character, yet she's still extremely responsible having taken care of kids and other duties, she even breaks whatever law the universe has making her stand out in a more chaotic way, she also has her sad moments where she thinks her friend's don't want to be with her or that the town doesn't need her or her parties, but they're quick to show her wrong. Fluttershy? A shy yet caring character who loves animals, she's really timid and rarely stands her ground, which is what her episodes focus on, she slowly learns to become confident on herself and stand her ground, in one episode she literally scares a creature with her gaze alone while literally turning into stone, in another she yells at people and turns extremely rude but learns to have a balance, basically, she stands out. Rainbow dash? She's overconfident and sometimes lazy when it comes to tasks unrelated to flying extremely fast, at first she's brutally honest but eventually has more episodes focused on her loyalty, and eventually makes her dreams come true. I would do an example for all the main six but I think the point is clear, you can describe any of these character's with just three words since they usually have atleast two most notable character traits, heck, let me use one of ky favourite games as an example. In "project sekai" there's 5 musical relates groups which comes with the group leader and three other members, but for simplicity I'll just mention the leaders. Ichika is the most neutral personality wise, she has a hard time expressing herself and doesn't have a "huge" trait which makes players assume she doesn't have a personality but it's far from true, she's the most neutral leader so you can always relate to a character, atleast that's how I see her. Minori has the dream of becoming an Idol, she's often clumsy and express her love for Haruka at almost every chance she gets, I haven't read much of her but that's already a completely different personality. Kohane is a timid character who learns to sing and slowly shows a fellow member that she's really set on overcoming a legend (their goal is to surpass another group from years ago) she's more soft spoken and sometimes more reserved than the other cast. Tsukasa (my favourite) is the loudest character, he always has a spectacular entrance and literally practices his own introduction even for his everyday life, he never even turns down any sort of challenge (in a story he even wanted to keep on working while being sick) his confident and loud persona fits his dream really well: becoming a star. As he stands out really well with it. Finally Kanade, she's... Well... she spends her days home alone, she focused on making music to save people that she hardly even has time for herself, causing her to sometimes collapse and be physically weak in general, she rarely expresses emotions (just like Ichika) but the strongest she had was when comfronting the parent of another member, she's determined to help and save other's. *The point is: Miraculous doesn't have a cast like this* *The character's don't even stand out on their own and their character's are even contradictory at times* There's literally no character with a strong trait that makes them memorable or stand out easily over other's, anything that makes them different. Only Chat noir, Marinette, and Chloe have "strong" traits that are easy to notice and remember. Chat noir has been flirty yet still did his best in combat, he's really not afraid to make jokes mid-battle so I can say he even acts confident at times, Marinette's traits however aren't as good... She's clumsy, obsessive, and petty, nothing about her stands out for the good reasons. Finally Chloe, you know how she's easily more likeable? Because her personality easy stands out over the blank canvases the other student's are, yes she's mean but even Cartman is loved by many, she's a drama queen who look(ed) up to ladybug and mother, I haven't kept up with the show but her character always stood up for being the only character given a more strong character trait. The other's don't or are even given time to stand out in any sort of way and (Layla?) Even for a villain still has a boring personality, I've seen character's that their whole thing are lying, yet they still had a strong personality and/or character traits that made them stand out more, yet she doesn't besides being fake and giving marinette that cocky smile. *It's boring to see how none even get a more strong character trait* Even for side character's it should be clear what their personality is, Marinette's friend is literally just "the friend", Nino is definitely more laid back but that's as far as it goes (or I even remember) they definitely have potential but they're given no time to stand out properly, in fact they just get worse. The pink girl and goth girl? I don't even remember their names! They looked a bit shy at first or maybe I'm just misremembering, but even for their opposing styles they don't even have opposite personalities.. how cool would've it been to even just have a girly love fashion x goth horror lover? I'm not even gonna act like I know the rest of the character's, I'm sorry but even if the character's most BASIC personality traits require the viewer to put effort and research each and every scene, then that's not a good character, your charactet shouldn't appear bland to the average viewer, this is why back when Covid wasn't even a thing the only reason I liked Miraculous was because of Chat Noir and Chloe, they stand out more in each scene, you see them once yet remember them forever, just one scene and you got their personalities engraved in your mind. *But maybe I'm the only one who thinks all the character's lack any different personality trait* Dude, they could've been stereotypes like "nerdy girl" or "sporty boy" yet there's nothing, they're just waste of a character (but is it really a loss? Character's designs are whack too)

The fact that you cannot speak about Zoe without mentioning Chloe confirms how little of her own she is. There are characters which have less screen time than her, but they are able to stand on their own way more (e.g. Marc). Zoe grown on me in season 5 - now I'm considering her more like a wasted potential rather than some sort of insulting crap.

Okay but why would Zoé sound like a more compelling character if she was actually mean as hell? Like, worse than Chloe.

Zoe is the exact reason why people were angry that the writers walked back on Chloe's redemption arc. The fact that the head of Miraculous made Chloe after a school bully and just refuses to give her a redemption arc because of that is beyond petty and just goes to show how childish he is. And now he's given us the nothingburger that is Zoe in a failed attempt to get us to shut up about Chloe. It's irritating

While I don’t actually mind Zoe as a character, I do find it weird how apparently everyone thinks she’s pointless and yet there’s a ton of MarinetteXZoe stuff on the internet. I am very confused by this.

The sad thing is... I can see her potential. Wasn't this the season that Hawkmoth got REALLY cloee to finding out who are the miraculous holders? She and Alya (and even when Adrien and Mari switch places) could have started the trend of people taking turns using a particular miraculous. They can even limit it with only two or three people for one miraculous. This would help keep Hawkmoth at bay. They can even have each person using a particular miraculous where they help each other grow and develop in different ways.

I still think she should have been a villain. Her backstory fits with lila perfectly, and they should have paired them up. Plus with her as a villain, she could have put Chloe in her place so Chloe can be humbled and realize her wrong doings and maybe make the effort to change because SHE wants to not because others do. Granted, we got her to hit rock bottom at the end of season 5, but still. I think villain Zoe would have made her more interesting than "girl stands up to bully" because they already had that with Marinette

I really do hope we learn more about Zoe in S6. I like her but I know 95% of other people don’t bc of how forced she was. Also getting a miraculous the SECOND episode after she was introduced is just so forced as well.

I wish they just would've at least given the bee miraculous to some already established character, like Aurore. Or have a little Mini arc where whenever they need the Bee, Mari uses it herself but constantly using two miraculouses puts a strain on her

Zoe is just an excuse for the downfall of chloe. It feels like chloe was split into 2 individuals a nice over the top chloe (zoe) & a ruthless chloe with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, which really suck considering that both ended up as lackluster one-note characters without the complexity chloe once had

Fun fact; The idea of ​​a "Good Sister of Chloe" was there since the first season, originally it was going to call "Amber Bourgeois" And she was going to be the bearer of the bee miraculous in season 2, but they Discard it out and preferred to give it to Chloe.

Zoe is such a missed opportunity. She could have been a foil to Chloe that also helped bring out the best in her. Chloe's goal has always been to gain the approval of her mother, going so far as to base her entire life and personality around emulating Audrey. Zoe could have been the push Chloe needed to finally start taking the steps to escape that mindset. Zoe could have been the one person actually capable of understanding Chloe's situation, and the one person who sees more than the school bully in Chloe. The two could have bonded and grown together, learning to move past their abusive childhoods in order to be better. For Chloe, she could have learnt to be kinder and respect other people, developing real friendships based on trust. For Zoe, she could have learnt to stop pretending to be someone she's not, and finally start to respect herself. There were so many ways the two could have become really compelling characters, but both of them were squandered.

I’m So happy other people hate Zoey

Zoe failed on so many levels. Because she is treated as Chloe replacement she's not allowed to be anything and that was the problem from the very beginning of her existence. Introduction is very important for a character as it's the first time we see them and the first impression is the KEY. Zoe's was ruined before it even properely happened in the show. From the trailers we knew how she looked. We knew she was gonig to be the new Bee miraculous holder and we knew she's Chloe's sister. A good trailer should reveal just enough to be intrigued. Zoe's introduction was weird. In her debut episode the did her entire character development. What was the point of introducing her if her entire arc is going to be one episode long? Her backstory. It's a problem of "show don't tell" a problem that I don't think needs introduction. Even if I want to care about Zoe's backstory I can't. Her entire backstory was told exclusively by her. No characters from the outside we're given to it and the entire backstory was told three times. At the very beggining of the episode we heard that Zoe heard a nice thing only one time. In the middle we heard that she was bullied but then she forced herself to change so she wouldn't be. At the end of the episodes she just tells this to everyone as if it was nothing. It just feels unnatural and has no follow up in later episodes. Zoe also go everything given to her too easily. She got accepted as a new part of the friend group really fast as if she always was one of them. She got her miraculous right in the next episode. She got over her family problems like it was nothing and she learnt how to stnad up to Chloe within minutes (until the plot forgot it and done it again). As for Zoe's whole purpose or rather lack there of, it makes it evem more difficult to care for her in any way. We all knew extacly what she was going to be "A nice Chloe" we got told that VERY clearly but it doesn't make it good. Zoe has a good civilian design. She is pleasent to look at (as for Vesperia it's debatable) but a design doesn't make a character. Honestly it's impressive as on interenet I've seen three parties about Zoe. Zoe defenders who say she's awesome and we just don't understand, plus "She's nice so we must like her." (It's usually the young part of the fandom that just watches the show and doesn't reflect on it). Zoe haters/antis who despise her as a whole and roll their eyes whenever she's on screen. The thrid party is people who pretend she doesn't exsist and live a peaceful life.

By this point Miraculous writers are just doing things to progress the plot without making it interesting. They removed Chloes redemption arc and instead added Zoe to the cast of characters. She could have been an interesting character if the writers actually PUT SOME EFFORT into it. They simply made her a plot device and started putting out bits of information about her that would make her better than Chloe but refusing to develop her story. RIP Og Queen Bee/ Chloe, we will still remember you for who you were and who you could have been. 🪦💐 Also: Great video, it was really nice and fun to watch =)

I remember around the time when we didn't even know Zoe's name, people were speculating that she was future Chloé, because there was also a confirmation that a character from the future was going to appear.

plagg rlly only gave zoe the ring cuz she’s the only one who could ever afford his cheese addiction 😭

The reosons I dislike Zoe : - why does she exist . ( btw , I think the new mic is really good :0 )

Let’s be honest, they just created Zoe because everyone want queen bee and the studio just can’t loose a mean girl character on the show lol 😂😂

I will add that concept of two people PERMANENTLY sharing one miraculous sounds interesting (and since no one said that it can't be pulled out why not do that - it actually would be easier) And that Zoey looks like that type of wacky MC from fan fiction where they're a suddenly an unmentioned almost identical sibling to canonical love interest of character they're ship MC with

I loved her in the first episode she was in. I was hoping she would possibly grow from being bullied to wanting help Chloe be nicer. Then I remembered Thomas Astruc doesn’t like the arc part of redemption and especially not for teenagers

I am still in agony over losing Chloe. She was the best bee you ever could see. (Ha) Her sass and sarcasm could have been perfect for the team.

It's really funny how they are trying to Ruin Chloé with a girl who just wants friends. It's exactly the same reason Chloé wanted to leave Paris, before becoming queen bee for good. With their dedication to ruin Chloé, they're shooting their story in the foot.

Zoe Lee could have been written better if like, Chloe was still being redeemed, but Zoe comes back, and Marinette sees her as such a nice girl that she gives the bee/wasp miraculous to Chloe Maybe Zoe isn’t as nice as she thinks, who lets the power get to her head Maybe Chloe fights feelings of worthlessness, where she gets akumatized. She could possibly fight Zoe in a battle *without* a miraculous, (Zoe wouldn’t be akumatized for this though, otherwise Chloe would just get timestopped/Reflextad/Whatever But noooo let’s just replace Chloe

When I read that Zoe was Chloe's half-sister who's basically a polar opposite of her, being a kind and caring person, I thought she'd make a interesting addition to the story, her struggle of fitting in with her family if it means putting up a snooty facade to please her mother and sister. But given Miraculous's track record of mishandling characters....I have to agree with everyone who see Zoe as an unnecessary addition in season 4....not saying I dislike Zoe, but disappointed with how her character was handled.....

Congratulations on the new mic! I honestly agree that Zoe could have honestly be a great use of Chloe’s redemption and also make us like her more and give her a reason in the show.

I will forever sad that Chloe, one of the most interesting characters out of miraculous got straight up shat on.

HATE ZOE, HATE THE BOURGEOIS PARENTS, LOVE MY CHLOE!!

Zoe is a character I don’t hate. But can’t consider her one of my favorites either. The best I can say about her is that she’s wasted potential. And no. Her having a crush on Marinette doesn’t make her special. It just makes her boring. Marinette already has a bunch of people who have a crush on her! Have it be someone else! Adrien, Luka, Kagami, Sabrina! Not Marinette! Ugh!! Another problem with her. Her name with the bee miraculous isn’t named after a bee! It’s named after a wasp! Wasp are not bees! Vesperia is not a bee name! It’s a name for a wasp! And the sad thing is. This easily could’ve been fixed. Chloe was Queen Bee. You could’ve made Zoe Honey Bee! And make her actually look like a bee! Because show writers. Vesperia ain’t it. Zoenette isn’t it. You failed. Miserably!

Every character in Miraculous suffers from the plot not going anywhere with their character (Luka, Adrien, Alya, Juleka, etc.) however this problem hits Zoe worse since she already doesn't have much character in the first place. She doesn't have any interest outside standard introvet things (ex. we know she likes art since she drew on her sheos) and we know she has a crush on Marionette but having a crush on someone does not equal having a personality (doesn't matter what the characters sexuality is). So by the show refusing to give her anything that stands out in terms of personality all that's left is her attachment to Chloe which makes the fact that she's there to replace her worse.

Honestly I don't hate Zoe as a character, I honestly just prefer kind characters in general, but the scene of when she comes out about having a crush on Marinette feels so hollow. I don't have anything against her crushing on a girl, but they literally should've done it with any other girl. There's no stakes with her crush, we already know Adriennette is end game and the fandom is getting tired of the "will they, wont they trope". So it's not even gonna go anywhere at all like they tried to do something with Luka. I feel like it was a half hearted attempt to make her more unique? Relatable? Sympathetic? idk. It just feels so hollow. I wish she had a crush on another girl to where we could actually kinda care about her crush like I care about Nino and Alya being together.

Happy New Year buddy!! 😁😁 This is the reason why I quit watching this show because not only that they destroy the redemption arc of Chloe but replaced her that's low to the lowest point that the fans are so blind and oblivious that they didn't know the truth of the whole point to the show itself. And I hate season 4 that Thomas Astruc uses Trauma to shut up his critics and gets even worse that he confirms that Chloe dies in season and no longer in the episode..I'm so done with Thomas. You know what? If Thomas Astruc and Other Miraculous Ladybug Characters and her father and mother don't want her then I'll take her and put as my protagonist like I did my story of Wattpad of Redemption of The Bee Hero. These characters don't deserve her and you know what that's why she runs away from Bourgeois Family and never comes back and gets adopted by the powerful insect King and Queen as their part of their eldest daughter and a hero too way better than Ladybug.

She is not even capable of making her own identity she is a queen wasp in reality through personality Zoe isn't capable of making her own identity thats why she stole everything from Chloe I mean everything Chloe started to change her personality after bee miraculous was taken from her but since Zoe arrived she didn't get herself proven again Chloe lost her mother's love & affection since childhood Chloe lost her father's affection & love and caring Sabrina also broke her friendship with Chloe Marinette/ ladybug - didn't try to understand the deep feeling of Chloe just stood and watch the show Catnoir/ Adrien - also had a believe that Chloe will change and at the end he broke his childhood bestfriend The list is quite lengthy but the conclusion is that Zoe is a queen wasp which is the most dangerous enemy of queen bee she steals everything queen bee owns And that is the same personality of Zoe a stealer and a cheater

I just got an amazing(or just funny) idea: what if because of her existential crisis she's kinda depressed so hawkmoth (idfk) sends his butterflies but she sees it and not knowing what they mean she cheers up instead! But she's still really upset deep down so it can't just leave and whenever he sends another butterfly for someone else they fly to get cuz she's the most upset. So now she has like 50 sparkly purple butterflies cheering her up while the mane cast can just look at her in horror as she smiles sweetly whenever they ask if she's okay

Writers: "Let's give Chloe a redemption arc!" Thomas Astruc: Turns into Gigantitan Writers: "Okay, okay, we'll just make it into a character no one likes!" Thomas Astruc: Sniffles. "Can you make Chloe irredeemable too?"

The idea of Zoe and Chloe sharing the bee miraculous is great! I'd be a dynamic duo of some kind and it fits perfectly with the bee miraculous because it'd be *teamwork*, representative of bees (ofc it's not exactly accurate to how bees work but you get the idea-) and they could have new matching names, Chloe would not be Queen bee anymore (since she'd need a new identity anyway), but also because she's not above anyone this time (AND Zoe would not look like a wasp, bc what the hell was that???) I don't have any ideas for names but i think someone can come up with something. It'd be a way for Zoe to feel included and to be genuine, while Chloe gets to grow as a person too.

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES. shes so bland and a horrible replacement for a character with so much personality. Her character is so transparent and basic 😭

Marinette: Where’s your accent from? It’s really pretty! Zoe: *in the most accentless accent I have ever heard* I’m from New York!

There are people who trash talk this series especially marinette but when derision comes out, people are all like “omg poor marinette. Chloe is a monster. This explains so much”, NO IT DOESN’T!!!! It doesn’t justify her actions, hell, it doesn’t even explain her actions. Ptsd doesn’t turn people psycho. That’s an insult to people who truly struggle from PTSD. Even if Mari-Sue does have “trauma”, that’s still not her main motivation. Her main motivation is obsession and possession. If it is ptsd, avoidance and trust issues would be the explanation. I’m not a writer, but if you see movies where anxiety and ptsd is done well, you kind of get it. And you don’t ever use ptsd and anxiety as an explanation for psychotic behavior. Psychotic people, bad people, can just so happen to have ptsd. Even if people sympathize with her character, it is still irresponsible of them to cut her some slack. A criminal is a criminal. They should still slap on the handcuffs and take her straight to juvy. She needs to suffer the consequences of her crimes teenager or not. She is old enough to understand what she’s doing. They reverted Chloe's redemtion arc just so Marinnette wasn't the worst character and then deleted Chloe because they made her a second Liela, replacing her with a lesbian half sister just so someone takes the bee miraculous place. Then proceeded to make a silly PTSD flashback to excuse the creator's creepy obsessive idea of love, but it didn't help to cover up the fact Marinnette is a yandere mary sue. Trauma might explain behavior but not excuse it.

I made a Miraculous AU, and although I'm still working on Zoe, here's what I have -Chloe's older sister, acts a bit like a parent to her whenever Audrey or Andre don't do their jobs right(telling Chloe off, or being her friend) -Takes on multiple personalities, sometimes sassy, sometimes shy -Talkative and creative, but level-headed -A bit of a leader, has a competitive streak -Takes things very literally, and is quick to judge Basically like- a sassy big sister sort of character

The worst character? I can see why you think that. Zoe really is nothing. But I always remember, oh yeah, Marinette forgave a terrorist, and made him a hero instead of killing him! Also, your new mic sounds more interesting and complex than Zoe’s entire character.

Jeremy Zag > Thomas Astruc

THIS IS SO GOOD

Zoe is not interresting. She's a nice girl, that's it! It makes this girl really boring! Also, her heroine's costume is less stylish than Chloe especially her hair. The big black strands are not pretty and her braid is too simple. There's too much black on her outfit. Queen bee was elegant, her mask was cool and her hair was like a beehive; that was pretty. One of the best costumes in the show to me 🙂 She is only there to replace Chloe as the bee heroine. Why developping a character while you can replace him? Being lazy is more easy than being creative. Thank's for that Astruc, that was so nice of you to ruin Chloe's development AND not putting Chat noir in the finale of season 5. No respect for the fans at all 😒

…. This makes me want to do a proper rewrite where Zoe is able to show her social chameleon nature, claiming to be Queen Bee and even pretending to be Chloe’s Queen Bee but actually being selfless and heroic while doing so. Passive aggressively lashing out to her abuse within the family by sniping and sneering at Chloe’s ugly personality when in costume(in a way Chloe may actually feel about herself) and Zoe getting to know her sister through Sabrina and those two alongside the butler helping Chloe letting go of her need for control that she got from her mother. She could still keep her dominant personality type but use it in a proper way as a hero. Her time as a bully teaching her humility and to allow others to contribute. But her sense of theatricality dominating her role as a hero. And by doing it this way, you can have Chloe demonstrate her humility in a way that can fake out the audience by claiming to be the same Queen Bee(Zoe) and making fun of herself to prove it. This would allow Zoe and Chloe to both continue to use the bee miraculous as a team, protects Monarch from knowing for sure which of them is Queen Bee, and allows Chloe to learn humility by keeping her return a secret while still embracing her ego about herself as a person and as a hero in their proper roles.

I have to say that ZOE IS JUST A REVERSE VERSION OF CHLOE 😒😓

That was a great video! Immediately upon starting i was like "wait, is the audio better or am i hearing things?" and i was right! The new mic really improved the quality of this video

The thing is Zoe was only created to be Chloe's replacement

I know I'm late to this but I saw it just now since this appeared in my recommendations just now. I'm seriously glad that I'm not the only one who strongly disliked Zoe, I wanted to see Chloe in her redemption but nope, they added Zoe instead. 😭

Zoey is..... nothing😒😒😒 WHAT'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT 😒😒😒 WEAR HER... DAD??? Tom, where are the dads???

Zoe is a bland nothing. No chrarater dept, no reason for people to like her, nothing. She solely exist to be Chloe's replacement.

Zoe is a bit like this bad fanfiction character introduced with forceps and zero subtlety but in this case it's Thomas Astruc who writes the fanfiction! One of the first things that shocks with the character of Zoé is that she does not seem to come from the same graphic universe as the other characters!

I prob wont make something for a really long time since school and other things but ty for the shout out :D

The reason why dthis wont happen is because Thomas hates chloe so bad that i feel like he stupified the entire MLB community by making us believe chloe had a redemption arc but NOOOOO instead it was all worthless and pointless and he even mocked fans for thinking Chloe had potential Man Thomas is the worst writer on the planet

Seriously, I forgot Zoe existence until you mentioned her. And yes, she might be sweet or kind, but I don't care, sweet character does not mean good writing.

Agreed! The writers just made Zoe as a replacement for Chloe. She has no character at all and is a mary sue.

It is actually so sad that they didn’t go the true sisters route. Like Chloe already had the foundation and Zoe actually had potential and could’ve been a really stand out character. But because of pettiness (which Chloe haters perpetuate) we got the worst story possible and it sucks.

In a fanfiction of mine, I made Zoé a bad guy and Chloé the good one.

Critical Zoe is not a bad character because in order for her to be the worst character she would need to be a character with plot interesting dialogue and concepts she's none of those things so cheap basically a cardboard cutout that's a attracted to someone

Zoey's problem is she's not w character. She's essentially a plot device replacement that Thomas expects us to accept and praise which is the worst possible thing you can do to your audience; FORCE them to accept 'change' for personal validation vs the benefit of the story.

A problem I have with Zoe is that she is basically an 12 year old girls mary-sue-OC (TM do not steal) Like everything about her screams this. Let me introduce her real quick: Hi I'm Zoe Lee and I am the half Sister of Chloe from New York. My mom is super mean and didn't want me anymore so I moved to Paris to live with my Stepfather and half Sister. My mom forced me to be mean but I don't like being mean. So when I came to Paris I decided to change. Anyway I have short blond hair with a pink streak and blue eyes. I wear yellow ripped pants, a studded leather jacket, a light blue beany and a white t-shirt with a honeycomb Design, because I love Bees they are so cute. I'm also the holder of the Bee Miraculous but I am way cooler at being the Bee Miraculous because I am the nicestest and my outfit has these edgy angular stripes and I wear my hair in a striped braid. Also during the Story I get hold of the black cat Miraculous and I look super awesome during it. Also I'm bestest friends with Marinette (after Alya of course). So yeah ... also just a reminder there is nothing wrong with making OC's like this, they can be fun, but if a cooperation does this then things get iffy imo.

Thomas Astruc is the same hack who wrote a comic about Marinette, a *_14 year old_* girl, walking around naked in New York in a cardboard box and bent over backwards to deny she was ever naked to begin with. He's never gonna give Chloe, his favorite punching bag, a redemption arc.

I just can't stand her design. When you really look at her,e verything about her is half Chloe, Half Marinette. She looks too much like both.

The amount of characterization Zoe has is the same as the number of exceptions to the Ten Commandments. NONE.

And, actually, I absolutly agree thet Kittybella had an interesting dinamic... It would have been very interesting, if the supposed two "best friends" of the main heroes would be just as a well working team as with Zoé.... Behind the mask😃. Also, would be a good trial for Chloé how do she behaves when gets an other Miraculous

she's just a baindaid for the gaping wound Astruc created when he abandoned Chloe, she's not a good character because she's not supposed to be and never was, we should've gotten a Chloe arc from the beginning and Atruc almost started it but then he went bananas and decided he hated a FICTIONAL teenage girl